Eeeevilest Moyan awards

[Ouroboros]

Coming to you live from the uncharted territories and just down the hall from the eeeevilest Pk pageant it’s the 1st annual eeeevilest Moyan awards. While most people can see the eeeevil in their enemies it’s much less often we’re willing to see the eeeevil in our friends. In this case the eeeevil we’ll be looking for is in the Moya crew presented to us as friends through John Crichton’s viewpoint. We’ll be taking that slanted viewpoint and bending it strait for the following cause it’s time to pass some long overdue judgement and detirmine just who on the moya crew would most deserve to be used as a portable bullet sheild by the others in the event the PKs ever catch up with them.

In our first corner we have the infamous John Crichton. (yes this one is also a ring with corners though it is now one with ten corners instead of 4. If you have a problem with that there is something wrong with you.)

Reason’s why he’s eeeevil: He’s blown a lot of stuff up. Tends to like overkill.... A LOT. Thinks he’s always right even though he’s been on the scene for all of 4 years and doesn’t really know what the hell he’s doing. He’s described as infamous in the title, only eeeevil people are ever described as infamous. He never told his honey bunny Aeryn about his wild fling with Commandant Grayza. If he were to go on the Maury Povich show he would be exposed by the lie detector machine. People who are exposed by lie detector machines are eeeevil

Likely excuses: No the PKs are the evil ones aren’t you paying attention. I was doing the right thing......stop laughing. Well you have to admit she is kinda hot you know.....



In our Second corner love bunny to John Crichton and former eeeevil PK herself Aeryn sun.

Reason’s why she’s eeeevil: She always wears black a sure sign of eeeevilness. She used to be a PK and all PKs are eeeevil. She knows about guns people who know about guns are probably eeeevil. She assassinated someone and stopped Johnny boy from offing the eeeevil Scorpius once he came board, clearly his eeeevil has infected her. She’s a brunette and it’s been scientifically proven that brunettes are 43.846 percent more likely to be eeeevil.

Likely excuses: You mean I’m not still on the Command Carrier ::hides bodies::. Stark keeps following me into the bathroom. John was exposed by the lie detector machine on Maury Povich.



In our Third Corner we have the tentacled terror Ka D’argo.

Reasons why he’s eeeevil: He likes revenge. He killed his own wife in a temper tantrum. He has tentacles, giant squids have tentacles, I read this book one time about a giant squid that killed people in eeeevil ways, therefore things with tentacles are clearly eeeevil.

Likely excuses: The tralk I tried to marry turned out to be a tralk......imagine that. I haven’t changed my clothing in over a year. Every time I shoot my qualta blade I cut my hand open, who designed these things anyway, OUCH!.




In our next corner, the blue plant blossom of eeeevil herself, P’au Zotoh Zhaan

Reasons she’s eeeevil. She killed her hubby while they were doin’ the telepathic nasty....thats eeeevil. She was completely naked several times but always faced away from the camera, clearly an act of evil. She’s blue, to the Cuchtowumba tribe of the northern Tasmanian peninsula blue is the colour of eeeevil. She is also a plant, and I don’t think I need to explain why plants are eeeevil.

Likely excuses: You animal meat things mean nothing to me ::maniacal laughter::. John put “round up” in my morning tea. I’m over 800 years old, you’re surprised I’m crazy?




In our fifth corner the eeeevil little she imp Chiana.

Reasons she’s eeeevil: She shot some pus packet on a dead budong to kill some guy in a really agonizing and grotesque fashion instead of just shooting him between the eyes yet she didn’t stay to watch or take any pictures.....that’s eeeevil. She actually was sexually attracted to Jothee, only a twisted eeeevil mind would be capable of this. Her name sounds a lot like China, China is a communist country, Communists are eeeevil.

Likely excuses: If it feels good do it. I haven’t been laid in...:checks watch:......9 minutes. I’m cute, I can’t be eeeevil.




In our sixth corner stands the eeeevil shrieking banshee Jool

Reasons why she’s eeeevil: Banshees scream like that and they’re eeeevil. Her hair changes colour. She wears leather outfits, only eeeevil people wear leather outfits. She’s sort of orange like a pumpkin, pumpkins are associated with Halloween, Halloween is eeeevil. She’s highly educated meaning she will become an eeeevil super genius and blow up the Earth with a laser beam.

Likely excuses: eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeek



Hovering above our seventh corner, a man whose size serves only to indicate just how concentrated his eeeevil is, Rygel.

Reasons why he’s eeeevil: He’s small. He’s green. He’s royalty. He flies. Did I mention he’s small.

Likely excuses: I’m small. I’m green. I’m royalty. I can fly.


In our eighth corner drugging the referee.....hey stop that! Our next contender the eeeevil old hag Noranti

Reasons why she’s eeeevil: She’s a drug dealer. She has big ears. She’s old. She has THREE eyes. She operated the lie detector machine that exposed John Crichton on the Maury Povich show.

Likely Excuses: ::hey stop blowing that crap in my......:: You know what Noranti’s not eeeevil at all, forget I said anything.



In our second to last corner a woman who needs some introduction, and a swift kick in the....Sikozu.

Reasons why she’s Evil: I don’t really like her, so naturally she must be eeeevil. She wears red, lots of evil women wear red. She finds Scorpius sexually attractive. She wears platform shoes. She can turn her eye back into her head and there’s metal on the other side, if that doesn’t scream lookit me I’m eeeevil what the hell does. She looks like her species may have descended from some kind of fish.............fish are eeeevil.


Likely Excuses: You’re a stupid inferior being. I was trying to turn Scorpy on. Guys in funny hats keep stabbing me with hooks.



In our last corner a man you wouldn’t ever want to be trapped in an elevator with, Stark.

Reasons why he’s eeeevil: He looks like the phantom of the opera, another eeeevil character. He devours the souls of the dieing and tells witnesses he’s sending them to heaven. He probably touches himself while listening to the noises coming from John and Aeryn’s cabin. He’s nucking futs.


Likely excuses: There’s no such thing as an afterlife, mind as well let me have your soul. I was really looking forward to devouring Zhaan’s succulent, ripe, 800 year old soul. If I’m a bad boy Aeryn might have to spank me.

The winner of the eeeevilest Moyan awards, determined of course by your votes and testimonials, will become the proud owner of the eeeevilest Moyan award trophy. A giant amalgamation of rotten food cubes, belly button lint and discarded plot lines. Good luck to all our contestants in earning this tremendous honour for themselves.

Despite the overwhelming amount of damming logical and concise evidence for their eeeevilness I’ve already come up with on my own, don’t hesitate to add testimony of overlooked acts of evil to the case. :D

Coming soon: Goodest Moyan

Up next: eeeevilest PK (http://www.watchfarscape.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12681)

[Roland]

Noranti scares the dren out of me!!! :cry2:

She's evil!!!!!!

[Darth Buddha]

Great poll.

Even though I tried to deify Braca, I love the evilest PK poll too!

MOST EXCELLENT IDEA OUROBOROS!

[SabaceanBabe]

It's just gotta be Rygel, man! Who else steals from his friends on a regular basis, tries to sell them out to those eeeevil PKs and then says, just kidding!? :ewink:

(Great poll, O.)

[NebariNookiee]

I had to choose Zhaan... but I have good reason -- Out of everyone imprisoned aboard Moya, Zhaan is the only one to have committed the crime she was imprisoned for: murder -- She may be a (somewhat) serene priest, and she may have had a good cause, but she’s still a murderer.

[Eiley]

Sikozu. She's a little too snake like for me with the shiny scally skin on her face and the long drawn out S's. Pure eeevil.

[grinner]

I voted for John... because he has murdered more people than anyone on the show.

[Frunium Slip]

I chose Shikozu, no one knows her real intentions, what she's thinking, etc. all traits of someone truly eeevil. She can turn her eye around, and no really good guy does that. She has some kind of radiation enhancement, and everyone knows only eeevil people enhance themselves with radioactive weapon enhancements. Just not the kind of implants a 'good girl' gets. Even John-boy thinks she's eeevil, and he's the hero, so he should know. I know he's the hero, because he does the overvoice for the entrance clip, has the starring role, and the hot alien babe for a significant other (OK love bunny). Plus he hardly ever cheats on her, even when surrounded by hot alien babes, surely the sign of a do-gooder.

To paraphrase JC: You've been lying since you came aboard the ship.

And everyone knows people who lie are eeeevil, unless you're just trying to explain those late night dinners at work, and everyone knows you've just got to attend them. Plus she thinks she's smarter than everyone else, and shows it, a true sign of eeeevilness. So IMHO Shikozu Shamu is the truly evil Moyan...

[JRyde]

I choose...Noranti...just don't like her or trust her. Poor replacement for Zhan.

[Frances]

That's a toughy.

You obviously can't trust Sikorzu.

I'm not too sure that Noranti doesn't have her own private agenda, that worries me somewhat.

Stark can be ruthless when he needs to be.

Jool is too prissy to be anything other than selfish. I think of her as Angelica Pickles on steriods.

Rygel is at least openly sneaky, and he's getting better.

I can forgive Zahn anything. I'm sure anyone she whacked deserved it.

Aeryn is at least honest enough to admit that she isn't always a nice person.

D'Argo can be dangerous, but I'm not sure he's evil -- they're two different things.

And holding Chianna accountable for her actions is like asking my cat to go to Sunday School.

Yep, I'd have to split my vote between Noranti and Sikorzu.

[who45]

I'll have to go with Sikorzu. I don't think you could ever trust her and I think she will use anybody to get what she wants.

[vikingscaper]

I also picked Sikozu. She is 100% pure evil and anything that would be attracted to Scorpy would have to be evil.

[Johnsgirl727]

She’s a brunette and it’s been scientifically proven that brunettes are 43.846 percent more likely to be eeeevil.
I knew there had to be a reason for all my eeeevil thoughts....
:rollin: :rollin: :rollin:
I voted for John. John allowed Scorpius to kill Chiana/Aeryn in one of the Unrealized Realities in order to force Sikozu/Stark to help her pass to the other side and get the information about Katratzi. We expect what Scorpius did-we didn't expect John to allow it to happen. Definetely an eeeevil act. (But I understand why he did it.)

[Ouroboros]

I voted for John... because he has murdered more people than anyone on the show.

I don't know why I'm laughing but I am! God that's a great explanation!

Frunium Slip, you're whole post too, hilarious.

Glad you guys are enjoying these two polls. I hope you'll all come back for the goodest Moyan and Pk awards to be held in the near future.

My vote, if I were going to vote, Stark. He creeps me out. The reason he has one eye is probably because the girl he was peeping on poked out the other one with a semi sharp pencil. Remember when he threatened to psychically torture Jool just because she was whining, what a creepozoid (that's the scientific designation by the way).

Would you trust this man to handle your soul? Does this man even ask you if he can handle your soul? I’m tellin’ you he eats them, gobbles them right up. How else do you think he gets people’s memories.

[grinner]

Well, didn't he? A Dreadnaught, Scorpies moon, Kitrazi, he had a hand in the destruction of a Command Carrier... there are many others. Even he says it... who is he going to kill today? Sure he regrets it... but he is still a murderer.

Is goodest like bestest?

[Ancient]

Rygel for teh win!!!11one!

Think about it, rygel was a dominarr. With his pragmatic attitude one can be sure that he had hynerians executed by the truckload. Coups are usually caused when the current leader has been an utter bastard.

Besides, from an ethical and moral viewpoint, Rygel is scraping the bottom of the barrel. John kills for self-defense or the greater good. Rygel kills just because he wants to. Remember his killing a helpless charrod prisoner? How about the head on a pole? I can't forget his urinating fire on people and laughing about it.

[Ouroboros]

I know grinner I wasn't being sarcastic it's just funny cause it's true. I got this image running through my head of JC in one of his typical "reluctant hero” poses with "he's murdered more people than anyone on the show" superimposed over it. Though I think “who is he going to kill today?” might be even better :lol

If we look at the crew objectively or from the perspective of their enemies the Moyans really are not a very nice bunch of people. A case could even be made that some of them are MORE eeeevil then some of the villains on the show! Especially if you use things like body counts and general disregard for other’s lives. For example if the show were told from the PKs perspective with the Moya crew as eeeevil terrorists they’d fit right into the role of villains. We would only see them when they had contact with the PKs just as we only see the PK’s when they’re in contact with the Moyans now robbing them of their "humanity". It’s because we get all the extra little “emotional touches” making the Moyan crew seem more human that we sympathize with them more. We get to see John struggle with his relationship with Aeryn. We got to see his father, his family, and his personal crisis. We get to see his version of events and we get the little things of humanity between the crew in those often forgotten small moments that are so important. We don’t get to see Scorpius inspire a frightened new soldier with some advice or Grayza talk openly to her sister about her fears of the coming war. We don’t get to see the badguys be human, we don’t get to see their lives so as outsiders we automatically start out viewing them with more scorn than the Moyans who’re much closer to us. Just imagine the kind of hell Scorpius or Grayza would get if they pulled half the stuff Crichton or the other Moyans have. If Scorpius had frequently beat his wife in a rage the way D'argo did for example. Or if Grayza had used one of those lethal brain crabs from "thanks for sharing" as an interrogation method on one of the Moyans, killing them in the process while laying out jokes about it.

While this thread is all about fun I hope it will at least get people thinking about this kind of stuff.

To answer your question grinner, goodest is not as good a goodliest but a step up from goodiest, clearer now?

Bestest would be like a measure of general coolness as opposed to one limited specifically to goodliness.

[Jaxa Logan]

Sikozu-remember how they met her in the first place! Never trusted her. I think she's only worried with her own situation and she's turned on by Scorpy! She must be evil.
Plus, I hated her Sputnik hair...

[grinner]

I don't know how you can call Sikozu the most evil member of the group. She never said that she wanted to be a part of the group. If you remember the first episode... the Klingon like aliens lied to her people which made her become a Moyan because she really had no where else to go. Throughout season 4, she was derided by Chiana, lied to by John, and had any advice she had ignored even though she was mostly right. After being mistreated by the rest... when Scorpy came along and treated her with RESPECT, she naturally gravitated to him. Nothing she did was evil... she was looking out for herself in a group that included a drug addict, a tralk, a walking temper tantrum waiting to happen, a moody ex-PK, and a deposed emporer who is very two faced. And then Scorpy comes along. A knowledgable person that knows what it is like to be under the control of the Scarrens. Common ground between the two. Nothing she did in the entire season was evil. The other Moyans were more evil to her than she was to them.

[Darth Buddha]

grinner is right. Don't trust doesn't equal evil.

I don't trust Sikozu. Don't think she's evil either, at least I can't point to a single action that would confirm that. Kinda naive, maybe, to the point of potentially being dangerous, but again, that's not evil.

Can't call the killing that John has done murder. With the fate of wormholes riding on his shoulders, a lot can be justified, or even compelled (just as if he were giving wormholes to the charrids, the Ancient would have HAD to put John down, too). John's problem is that he can't see the difference, or at least can't take it in stride emotionally, and is going all Hamlet on us.

Don't buy the interpretation that D'Argo killed his wife in a rage. Seemed confirmed to me that her brother had whacked her... in a somewhat tragic "accident". I can see why he set D'Argo up for the fall... not just to avoid the penalty, but so HE could live with HIMSELF. D'Argo has chilled a lot over the seasons, too. Do we excuse some of his earlier extremes due to his immaturity early on? Maybe.

Zhaan perhaps WAS evil, but if you believe in redemption, then you have to give her boku credit. She's probably most fairly assessed as John did during their unity in "Rhapsody in Blue".

Aeryn, ditto. She kills when it is required. Life is hard. She does what she must, but she's backed off from kill as the presumptive. Killing is not always evil (whack Hitler before he can complete the holocaust... is that evil?). She's well on the road to redemption.

Chi is a tralk, a user, and a bit of a child. She's come a long way (risking her sight for others, so John could save Earth, is a marked change in her priorities). She's still a badass when push comes to shove, but is that evil? Do we excuse some of her prior wildness based on immaturity?

Jool was a self absorbed, lying, haughty theif. THEN. She cared little for the benefit of the group, THEN. Later she acted selflessly when called for. NOW she's a committed researcher working for the benefit of a group of priests. She's come a long way.

Rygel... as much as I'd like to THINK he has redeemed himself, I don't know for sure. Selling out his comrades was evil. Period. Since? Putting Durka's head on a stick was perhaps necessary to make the deal he needed to make with the pirates, though I'm sure he enjoyed whacking the sick bastard, necessary or not. Is that evil? Don't know. He's made some progress. But he's probably most evil.

But note, they are all somewhat "redeemed" from what they were, except for John and his self afflicted moral crisis and rejection of a job that he clearly has to do.

[generic_screenname]

Ditto on all that, Buddha.

Personaly, I don't get all the Sikozu detractors, both on Moya and in the fan community. She was hated from the moment she got on board Moya. Although I always enjoyed it when Chiana punched her in the face, it would have been nice to see everyone finally embrace her as one of their one. Oh well.

For this poll, I would say Rygel is the most evil. That doesn't mean that I think he's particularly evil--I don't--it just means that out of those characters we had to choose from, he's a little more evil.

The great thing about Farscape is that while there were characters who were truly evil, (Mauldis might be the eeeevilest character on the show) most fell in the gray area. "Heroic" characters were shown doing objectionable things, and "villains" often did heroic things. As bad as Scorpius was when he first appeared, I consider him a hero charcter now.

[blue]

Between John and Rygel, who has killed more people? John has killed quite a few while we were watching, granted, but Rygel was DOMINAR for a very long time, with absolute power, selfish and childish tendencies, and not much going on in the compassion-for-others domain. Remember when he thought he was about to die, and he said it would take him more than half an arn to repent because he had been Dominar? I'll bet he snuffed out way more than a few more than John ever did in the hundreds of years he got to act on all his whims. So I vote for Rigel.

[Jaxa Logan]

I guess the main reason I picked Sikozu was because I always felt like they were trying to use her as a replacement for Jool- one of my favorite characters. It seems silly now that I've written it, but thats the best justification I can come up with. Plus we know a little, well, make that a lot more about the other characters, so its easier to empathize with them.
Jaxa

[Ouroboros]

Even though she's my least favorite 'scape character ( and I say that instead of dislike because I don't really hate her) I can't call Sikozu "eeeevil". She's got my suspicion but until she does something to actually prove her eeeevilness she'll just be a potential threat not a confirmed one. This was kind of the outlook I had on Braca before the whole "holy shit" moment when I re-watched la bomba and realized what he'd apparently done after listening to the dialog in the wardroom scene. The worst thing Sikozu's ever done is what...talk rudely? Perhaps this ties back into the "outsider" thing I was talking about before. Sikozu is one of the least familiar characters thus it's easier for us to see and exaggerate the faults in her even though those present in the other characters are much more severe in an objective sense. Just about everyone on the crew has got more to answer for than our little fishy girl yet she's still leading the poll beating out Rygel the headsickle dominar and John "it goes boom" Crichton even. These results have certainly been unexpected I'll admit that.

On D'argo and his wife I've tried my best to forget most of that episode but wasn't it indicated that he apparently beat her everytime he went into hyperage?

[SueDonym]

John - Multiple murderer, large scale. (Just the facts, m'aam. If we allow anything other than too insane or juvenille to stand trail than we're just justifying/interpreting said ACTIONS. We're the DA office here it seems, not defense counsel. For that check the poll for goodest, or bestest, or whathaveyou.) Myopic (not infrequently mean and disregarding of friends _lives_ when it involves his pet project) = Pretty Darn Bad if not plain eeevil (Hey, there were kids on that ship! Even if the eeevil PK think they're soldiers to be, that doesn't mean that they ARE.)
Plus..."How many more have to die for love of you, John?"
Always breaks my heart. So true.
Point of Order: Anybody else notice that JC is most often MOST bad when either pretending to be a PK officer or pretending to work with them? What, does it rub off?

Aeryn - Murdered a man who truly loved her for advancement. (WHY does everybody forget this?) Turned assassin at first opprotunity when new true love went wrong...while pregnant. = Wow Bad, but with chutzpah.

D'Argo - Beat his wife. Didn't murder her but easily could have. Feisty. Almost killed good friend in a rage (several times actually)...because he touched D'Argo's stuff... = Ooooh, has potential here.

Zhaan - In prison for good reason...which was murder. Felt good about escaping that sentence. Generally self righteous and frequently mean-spirited/impatient to those she thinks are 'lesser'. (Pride, quite sinful...and isnt' sin evil?) Killed again later. Quit being a priest (that's not exactly 'good' is it?). Killed self. Okay, just kidding, the last was a noble sacrifice. =
What part of noble sacrifice didn't you understand?
Verdict = Not that bad, but bloody annoying at times.

Chiana - Killed her guard in first ep on Moya. ('Member what JC asks her privately at the end of the show?) Never fessed up to it. Killed somebody to land her in the Nebari clutches in the first place (implied - and I think the guy she killed said it). Spread sexually transmitted disease galactically. Mitigated - Didn't know. Got rid of it when she did. Screwed the very young son of her longtime lover to make breaking up with said lover easier. Phew...getting pretty BAD here.
Mitigating factor??? = Too imature to try as an adult.
Or maybe she's extra evil for factoring that in to her plans.

Jool - Thief and liar. (In good company on Moya by the by...)
Really annoying...
Well, as much as we'd like to press charges for this, being annoying is not evil. A person is not bad just because they're difficult to like...else much of the world would be evil for this reason, and there are better reasons to say people are evil.
HOWEVER -
Exhibits race bias. Held negative racial stereotypes against new lover. Allowed said lover to be humiliated in front of her (possibly repeatedly before he put his foot down and confronted her).
Verdict = only middling bad.

Rygel - Thief, liar, murderer, betrayer. The "guilty" plea entered by the witness himself makes this court inclined to pass a lighter sentence...or a harsher one. <torn>
While the personal hand-to-hand murder and mayhem of the defendent weigh heavily on this court's mind, acts committed while a politician are not discounted. *However* as NO evidence (other than a snarky comment about how long it would take him to confess) has been entered into the record of actually ACTS of true political villainy (like, say, genocide), this court is forced to dismiss all the many *potential* evils the defendent could have committed while in office and deal with the facts at hand. The court would like to remind the jury, however, that at the very least the defendent was a politician, and politics is the very birthing ground of EEEEVIL. Verdict = eevil. Two e's. No caps.

Noranti - Drug dealer. Guilty of multiple acts of drugging victims without their leave. In offense of several laws of hygene. Mysterious past with great potential evil. Sexually assaulted (by default, with potential foreknowledge) D'Argo while they were twined together via eeevil bivalve. TRIED TO GET JC TO KILL HIMSELF BECAUSE SHE GOT AN UNANTICIPATED RESULT WHEN SHE ILLEGALLY DRUGGED HIM. This is *very* bad! Lost true love. Only eeevil people lose their true loves (crosses fingers) right? Verdict: BAD, leans heavily toward evil (one e, no caps) with higher potential.
Addendum: Scorpy wants to talk to her. Why? He only grabs folks he thinks are evil or have wormhole tech/can help him defeat the Scarrans (check the record). If she has WHT, why hasn't she helped JC?

Sikozu - JC says her offense is "Too Smart". The court refuses to hear this on the grounds that it is crazy and "buck stupid". Nor will this court take as testimony anything in reference to her looks. Justice is blind. Her appearance is not on trial here, only her actions. Said actions: may or may not have been about to betray them before she got to know any of them. Verdict: Typical UT behavior. However, due to a disturbing lack of information about her, this court reserves the right to suspend judgement until a latter date when more facts can be added. First fact: Called JC, etc. "Weak Species!" Clear potential for evil. Addendum: Falls apart too easily. Coda: Scorpius, an excellent judge of character, seems to like her. Point in her favor: she shows the good sense to find him attractive.

Stark - Has repeatedly *actually* betrayed and threatened *Moyans* on a personal one to one level and on a macro level to Moyan antagonists. *No other person on Moya has done this* for what is apparently the sheer hezmanna of it. When Rygel threatens to sell out (key word threatens) he does it for good reason - money. Stark does it for reasons of his own. Threatened to mind-frell Jool because she dared complain when he was feeling miffy. 'Helps' people to the other side, but also can kill them. May not be aware of difference all the time. Almost killed everyone on Moya to help a ghost. Keeps key point of information to self - Talyn knows (what Crais did to him), and *I* know..." Not to mention the vital info he was going to tell JC and apparently never did. Egomaniac, but self flagellating. Blames everyone but himself. Sexually creepy/vaguely threatening around Aeryn on several occassions. Worked for the Scarrans. (Mitigated by likely slavery, but with potential.)
Rating = Evil
Chief, primary, and only mitigating factor: Raving, poor thing.

BUT again here I must protest the exclusion of someone.
Talyn - At least briefly a member of the Moyan team, Talyn killed and killed and killed again. Then ran away. Repeatedly. Cowardice and murder, quite the combo. Admittedly Crais takes a great deal of blame here...but remember, Talyn TORTURED Crais and had a great deal of control...which is why Crais wanted to scrap 'em.
Blew up a CC full of relative innocents because of...peer pressure?
Verdict = Quite Evil. Mitigated = Quite insane, only a babe, evil company, lost mother at an early age...and who knows what the frell Crais was doing to him the whole time they were together.

Springer, anyone?

However I must add (and here am possibly jumping the gun on the 'goodest' of Moyans)...

Pilot - only briefly considered NOT LIKING his charges while 'under the influence'. Shows inhuman restrait against people who hacked off bits of him, and one who was partially responsible for killing another of his kind. Cares for Moya sometime at the slight detriment of others. Verdict: NOT EVIL AT ALL!!!! Good.

Moya - Carts a literal shipload of folk around the galaxies at great expense to body and spirit. Lets them roam about her insides at will...despite the clutter, noise and potential filth/itchiness/tickles/disease/alien infestations/explosives they might bring aboard. Self-sacrificing, although occassionally scared. Wants to be a good mother, despite difficult circumstances. Never really complains, although she often should.
Verdict: Give her a card for mother's day. This lady's pretty good.

[SueDonym]

Originally posted by Frances
Jool is too prissy to be anything other than selfish. I think of her as Angelica Pickles on steriods.
......

And holding Chianna accountable for her actions is like asking my cat to go to Sunday School.


Frances, I *roared*.
Those are just too good.

[Zapp$ter]

I know it happened earlier on in the series but I find the actions that most of moya's crew took to get home to be quite evil( DNA Mad Scientist, I think it was?). I mean they didn't even think about what they were doing at the time.

I haven't seen LGM recently but was the shadow depository thing, John's idea and all? I can't remember some of the more specific parts at the end of the episode.

I haven't seen all the episodes yet, I'm still watching the 3rd and 4th season on scifi. So I can't really comment.

Although from what I have seen, IMO it would be either Rygel, Aeryn or John.

As Sue mentioned what Aeryn did when she was a PK, to further her career was eeeeeeeeeevil! (The Way We Weren't)

[Darth Buddha]

D'Argo didn't whack his wife in a rage... we have outside confirmation from Crais in "Family Ties" at the end of Season 1.

[SueDonym]

He didn't kill her. But he did repeated beat her while in hyperrage and she didn't tell him, despite her promise. She could 'handle it'. Remember him asking about the bruises?

[blue]

The Shadow depository idea was Stark's plan all the way, not John's, and the reason was to get money to buy Dargo's son at the slave auction.

[Darth Buddha]

If D'Argo's hyper-rages were endemic to a Luxan his age (i.e. there was nothing he could consciously do about them) then he's innocent by evil by reason of insanity (he didn't know right from wrong at the time).

But, you know, I've always excused Stark with "he's nuts" ergo not guilty of evil by reason of insanity.

But he was working for the Scarrens (EEEVIL) before Scorpy EVER put him in the chair and made him psycho-boy. He was probably evil when he wasn't not guilty by reason of insanity.

Trouble is (much like our legal system) what, hypothetically, should we do with the bugger now?

[SueDonym]

Well, the actual reason behind it all was Stark's revenge, wasn't it? That's why everybody got mad at him afterwards. He chose *that* particular shadow depository and brought the whole thing up as if it were to help Dargo get money, but it was actually because he knew that Scorpius had a deposit there and wanted vengeance at any cost.

And we all know how well that worked out.

Don't get me wrong. I actually like these characters.
They're just evil. ;) (kidding)

Whoops! cross post with Buddha (Think this answered blue^)

Yes, D'Argo gets by on youth and insanity for the hyper-rage, but since he was AWARE of the problem when they entered into their marital contract, it's kind of like owning a dog you KNOW bites - there is a responsibility assumed. It's not a bolt from the blue. It's something you know will happen and as they were pretending to be adults, I think we can try him for losing control and wife beating.

I'm not all that sure that the Chair drove Stark crazy. He could have been insane just having worked for the Scarrans or have been insane prior to being put in the chair. He *did* work the insanity bit to get around his captors, and not infrequently pretends to be more insane than he is. So devious...certainly evil. ;)

[Ouroboros]

Yes, D'Argo gets by on youth and insanity for the hyper-rage, but since he was AWARE of the problem when they entered into their marital contract, it's kind of like owning a dog you KNOW bites - there is a responsibility assumed. It's not a bolt from the blue. It's something you know will happen and as they were pretending to be adults, I think we can try him for losing control and wife beating.

I agree with it being his responsibility to keep her safe. If he was aware of the problem but didn't take steps "here if I come at you use this stun gun" then he's guilty of injuring her through his negligence.

[generic_screenname]

Stark, by his own admission, holds a "vast resivoir of evil" from some of the less cooth souls he crossed over. But remember he did sacrifice himself for the others on the planet with those drippy aliens with the umbrellas who wanted the truth, and he did find D'Argo's son and came up with the plan to save him. I've been rewatching the episodes of the 2-3 seasons and he was actually right most of the time, it's just that he was also a little unstable (if you were habitually tortured and could constantly feel the pain of the deaths of others, coupled with the loss of a love one who numbed the pain of the first two, you'd be a little off kilter, too) so people were short tempered with him. He was often accoused of betrayal only to discover in the end that his actions were for the best. I can't think of any examples right now, as I'm sitting at work pretending to design a web site (like I know how to do that...God I'm screwed.) Bascally, I felt sorry for the guy and was rooting for him to find Zhaan again to at least retrieve a modicom of stability. Still, it was fun to watch the others toss him around like a rag doll from time to time.

[SueDonym]

I never liked to see the rest of the Moyans treat him badly, no matter how miserably Stark was coming off, and I'm not saying that he didn't come up with some clever ideas. We're talking basic motivations though, and for the most part, much of what he did was selfish. The shadow depository, again, and by confession that JC wrung out of him, was because he wanted to hurt Scorpius...apparently. And Stark certainly has his reasons for his actions, however canted they might be. Here, however, again we are looking at behavior without excuses or reasoning, and above and beyond his insanity, Stark has a bit to answer for. Some of those answers will be quite good, some aren't.

[CrackersDon'tMatter]

Sputnik's not evil, she's just goes all squishy for guys with big brains. Hence the hearts for eyes every time she looks at Scorpy.

Most of the other good candidates for evil are really just crazy-go-nuts.

My vote goes to Rygel. Anyone who can be ruler of, what is it? 600 billion people? Any politician that can hold control over that many people has got to be the most vile, black-hearted being in existance. :whip: That, and he has a propensity for cutting people's heads off.

[ScorpSik]

No, no, no......Sikozxu is goodness itself.... She bravely and selflessly saved everyone's lives on countless occasions. For no appreciation, or thanks...just more stick
SHE IS A SAINT! A SAINT, I TELLS YA!!

[Roland]

Any one else throwing dren on Sikozu or Jool gets it! :boom:

No more Mr nice guy....

[ScorpSik]

Roland, you lovely lovely man...together we will CRUSH this hatred of feisty redheaded heroines!!!

[SueDonym]

I do have to say I'm a bit surprised that Sikozu is getting so many Eeeevil hits.

While I can't discount the thought that people might be beating on her because she's the red-headed stepchild of Moya, I think it more likely just her unknown quality...and association with Scorpius, whom many still find quite fearsome. Possibly because both of them might look a bit unusual or visually 'read' with villain potential.

Although folks like D'Argo and he's Cthulu's second cousin.

-Sue
...who swoons over big beefy brains herself and is therefor quite sympathetic.

[SabaceanBabe]

No way! More votes for Sikozu than anyone else? Sikozu may have a problem with arrogance and irritation, but she never struck me as eeeevil...

[ScorpSik]

WE MUST SAVE SIKOZU FROM THIS HORRRRRROR....COME, JOIN WITH ME + PUT TO DEATH THE TRULY EEEEVIL JOHN CRICHTON *shudder*

[ConnieLyn]

Originally posted by Frances
That's a toughy.

You obviously can't trust Sikorzu.

I'm not too sure that Noranti doesn't have her own private agenda, that worries me somewhat.

Yep, I'd have to split my vote between Noranti and Sikorzu.


Your post was good Frances! I agreed with everything you said, and my vost was also split between Noranti and Sikouzu, although I was leaning more toward Sikouzu. Noranti's prescence was never really explained well and who knows what her real intentions could be (could have been explained in later seasons but we all know what the frell happened there!)

[ConnieLyn]

Originally posted by Ancient
Rygel for teh win!!!11one!

Think about it, rygel was a dominarr. With his pragmatic attitude one can be sure that he had hynerians executed by the truckload. Coups are usually caused when the current leader has been an utter bastard.


This is so true and I didn't think of this before. MOST of the time, someone will not be overthrown or attempted to be overthrown unless there is something evil or sadistic (same thing?) going on.

[ConnieLyn]

Originally posted by SueDonym
He didn't kill her. But he did repeated beat her while in hyperrage and she didn't tell him, despite her promise. She could 'handle it'. Remember him asking about the bruises?

I thought this was part of D'Argo's hallucination. I thought it was determined that he was NOT beating or had killed his wife.

Even if it was his fault because of the hyper-rage, then what stops it from occurring now? He has been very, very angry at times on Moya so what stops the hyper-rage now?

[Zapp$ter]

Originally posted by ConnieLyn
This is so true and I didn't think of this before. MOST of the time, someone will not be overthrown or attempted to be overthrown unless there is something evil or sadistic (same thing?) going on.

Sorry for going OT here but I think that this whole subject of Rygel and his kingdom would make for a great episode(s). Exploring the histroy behind the whole thing etc. I could just imagine it being a two-three parter episode. Ok getting a little carried away with myself. MUST.....STOP.....typing :O

[SueDonym]

The votes for the two newbs just indicate that many people are voting on suspicion rather than actual facts. Sikozu and Noranti we honestly have seen no evidence of outright evil...well, excepting Noranti drugging JC and trying to kill him, but I've already discussed that.

So basically people are going for the unknown rather than forcing themselves to judge people they 'know' and *LIKE* on actions that (had we no background explanation or excuses) would be outright evil.

It's just easier on the ole psyche. Happens in real life too.

[ConnieLyn]

This question is just too hard to answer in a black and white type situation. And the more people who respond and give their opinions and reasonings makes me think, "Okay, thats a good point. Why didn't I think of that? Why didn't I say that? They are evil too." And by the time I'm finished reading all the posts, everyonen on Moya is evil as frell. We have a runaway ship full of eeeevil passengers all trying to frell each other up.

I think part of the reason for the indecisiveness is the fact that the longer we watch this and the more episodes we see and see and see, we come to like them more and more. The "evil" Scorpy is really not so evil when you have seen more of him, especially after Incubator. It puts more things in perspective if we have more of the background of people and realize where their reasonings come from and why they think and act like they do. Perhaps Scorpy is a product of his tortured childhood and not the fact that he could have been originally evil. Don't hit me, but I think I have come to like Scorpy as the seasons have played out.

The more I think of it, I too had a biased mind against Sikouzu from the start because I felt she was "taking over" after Jool and was going to be a poor replacement. I should not have felt that way and perhaps that has clouded my judgement.

Maybe its none of the characters mentioned, but someone not really on Moya....how about Aeryn's mother Xalax Sun? I mean that is one eeeevil bitch. Who would track down and attempt to kill their own child? Once reunited with a lost child, who would not be swayed by tears of joy and loss and a plea for love? Who would die trying to kill that lost and found child? That is just eeevil as frell !

[SueDonym]

But she *was* swayed...and then EEeevil Crais killed her before she could talk about it. More Eeeevil that soandso (sorry, forgot) forgot to include on that compiled list. (Guess there was too much out there.) I was *very* suspicious of that when it happened...and he claimed to have killed her earlier too!!!

You get no flak for liking Scorpy from me.
I think he's super-heroic. Wheee!!!!

And PS OT
I'd love to see several eps on Rygel too.
He's a guy with possibilities.

[ConnieLyn]

Originally posted by ConnieLyn
I thought this was part of D'Argo's hallucination. I thought it was determined that he was NOT beating or had killed his wife.



Just a little more info....this episode was Mental as Anything

[SueDonym]

No. He *had* beaten his wife...which is what D'Argo has to live with now and was thinking about when he left the mentalist training place. He did NOT, however, kill her. It was her brother Macton who stabbed her in an arguement because she wouldnt' leave D'Argo...and who then beat her to make it look like it was done during one of his rages. Since D'Argo had a history, and was not PK Sebaccean, etc., he went up for it.

[DRD 1812]

I would have to say Rygel in Season one only. He would be willing to ditch Moya for anything.

[ScorpSik]

*still in grumble mode*
Sikozu didn't mercilessly hack off one of Pilots arms for her own self interest *mumble,mumble*

[izult]

OK Rygel for sure! my favorite Rygel moment was when he fed 1/2 a bivalve to the DR that gave it to them and then threw the rest of it in the trash to be eaten by all the vermin in the street. THAT was not only pricless but pure evil.

[izult]

I think the reason Sikozu isn't liked is because she's brainy and acts like she knows EVERYTHING, truth is she's immature

[generic_screenname]

I like when Rygel was smacking that crazy chanting woman that magntized herself to the ceiling (Suns and Lovers) with his septre. When told that it wouldn't make her shut up, he said, "I kow, but it makes ME feel GOOD!"

[izult]

My boyfriend pointed out that while the rest of the crew had reasons to do some of what they did Rygel's motivation was often revenge and that no one can hold a candle to his evilness:evil:

[ScorpSik]

YAAAAY!!!!!!! Sikozu isn't in the lead anymore!!:D

[Darth Buddha]

Originally posted by izult
OK Rygel for sure! my favorite Rygel moment was when he fed 1/2 a bivalve to the DR that gave it to them and then threw the rest of it in the trash to be eaten by all the vermin in the street. THAT was not only pricless but pure evil.

No, THAT was justice. And fun!

Originally posted by generic_screenname
I like when Rygel was smacking that crazy chanting woman that magntized herself to the ceiling (Suns and Lovers) with his septre. When told that it wouldn't make her shut up, he said, "I kow, but it makes ME feel GOOD!"

And that was FUN too!

[izult]

ROFL while i agree with you that it was justice it was more of a vigilante justice than anything else.. the little guy still has my vote.

[Darth Buddha]

Hey, in the absence of real justice, what else is there but vigilanteism.

Technichally, I believe that Rygel, along with the rest of them, is a rogue. Somebody who does things generally considered immoral for the right reasons.

I don't see JC as a mass murderer (and I'd REALLY appreciate it if someone espousing that line of BS would elaborate a list of his victims).

Aside from selling out his own in Family Ties, Rygel hasn't been that bad. How many of us would do as well?

Most of these guys can be considered "reformed" at the very least, and, therefore, not evil!

[ScorpSik]

Chrichton's victims...hmmmm... Tauvo Crais, Br'nee, Everyone on Scorpy's Gammak base, Cargn, technically, 2 version of himself, Vorc, Countlss people in the shadow depository, Aeryn, Plonek, Borlik, Nurses and children...., possibly Co-Kura Strappa, Raa'Keel, Ullam, Axikor, Sikozu...twice!!!, Talikka, Aeryn BHTB...yes, bioloids have feelings too,Scarrans, Jenek.... and many more unheralded 'minions'..... He's eeeevil.....

[Perfect_Tommy]

Well in all fairness, Crichton really didn't kill Aeryn, Harvey did. Also...... he's the hero so he can't be the most evil :p pfht!

Seriously, Rygel takes the cake. He's killed people just for complaining about him, attempted to betray his crew mates, attempted to kill Durka at the cost of killing john and wounding Moya, wanted to trade Moya for a faster ship. He's got my vote. But in his defense, it's not his fault. He really doesn't know better, he was raised that way. I mean he comes from a place where your cousin will steal your throne from you while you sleep.

[ScorpSik]

Thanks for reminding me.... he killed Harvey too!!

[CrackersDon'tMatter]

Originally posted by Perfect_Tommy
Well in all fairness, Crichton really didn't kill Aeryn, Harvey did. Also...... he's the hero so he can't be the most evil :p pfht!

Seriously, Rygel takes the cake. He's killed people just for complaining about him, attempted to betray his crew mates, attempted to kill Durka at the cost of killing john and wounding Moya, wanted to trade Moya for a faster ship. He's got my vote. But in his defense, it's not his fault. He really doesn't know better, he was raised that way. I mean he comes from a place where your cousin will steal your throne from you while you sleep.

Ah, said with the intelligence of a true Buckaroo Banzai fan. You don't see many of us around these days...someone needs to get off their butt and make a new film. After all, they're busy digging up everything else from the 70's and 80's and turning it into new cinema...

[Darth Buddha]

Originally posted by ScorpSik
Chrichton's victims...hmmmm... Tauvo Crais, Br'nee, Everyone on Scorpy's Gammak base, Cargn, technically, 2 version of himself, Vorc, Countlss people in the shadow depository, Aeryn, Plonek, Borlik, Nurses and children...., possibly Co-Kura Strappa, Raa'Keel, Ullam, Axikor, Sikozu...twice!!!, Talikka, Aeryn BHTB...yes, bioloids have feelings too,Scarrans, Jenek.... and many more unheralded 'minions'..... He's eeeevil.....

O.K. Tauvo - accident
Br'nee - justifiable homicide
Scorpy's Gammak Base - we don't know that, and technically this was a "military" strike by "freedom fighters".
Vorc - accident/mistake, not even to the standard of manslaughter
Shadow Depository - a strike on a criminal haven (boo hoo)
Scarrens - boo hoo.

The only argument I see is the alternate Sikozu/Chiana thing.

THAT reaches the standard of murder -- whether it is a "reality" or whether they were "going to die" anyway. Moreover, Scopry did the actual killing.

[ScorpSik]

Crichton himself, shot ScarranSikozu *and* StarkOzu, he also killed Harvey and Neeyala himself.... wouldn't like to meet him on a dark night....
String him up!!:D :ewink:

[Darth Buddha]

Harvey and Neeyala... boo hoo.

Somebody has it in them to camp out in my brain or screw with my mother ship (a person) and they better count on what they've got coming!

[ScorpSik]

*ouch*

[Paul Cousins]

Well I am not sure myself about who is the most evil in member of the crew of Moya.

And as twisted as this sounds, after seeing Scorpy's past, learning about his life and knowing why his is the way he is. I would saying he is probably one of the more 'saintly' characters of Farscape.

You know after reading this thread I have to say that someone could put a fulltime confessional in Moya and that still would not be enough to hear all the sins that THIS crew has committed over the years.

And I will tell you this, at the rate things are going for the crew of Moya, no one is making it to heaven at the end, except maybe D'argo, I mean he has learned to forgive many things that have been done to him and his loved ones over the years.

That is a VERY hard thing to do.

[Eiley]

I'm still sticking with Sikozu, I can't believe Rygel is beating her. He arrogant but not evil.

[Perfect_Tommy]

He is evil! He only looks out for number one! Atleast Sikozu is fighting for a cause, Rygel is only out to get HIS throne back. And you can beat your blue ass he would sell any other crew member out if it meant he would get it back.

His total disregard for others is more then just arrogence, one could almost call it........ evil? :ewink:

[Ancient]

I think the reason Sikozu isn't liked is because she's brainy and acts like she knows EVERYTHING, truth is she's immature
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

She's a tech. Have you known many techs? It comes from having people calling in and saying

"Help i can't start my computer!"
"Have you tried the power button?"
"Um, no...."
"Sir, please go away. Preferably someplace that doesn't have computers.""

[SueDonym]

Sorry DB, if we *just* count blowing up the CC that's mass murder in my book.

How many times do I have to say "kids on that ship" - no warning, not everybody got out. Most of those people were relative innocents. *Some* were soldiers, many were techs, what percentage were children? Again, just because the PK think of munchkins as little soldiers doesn't mean that they ARE, or that JC should treat them as such. And if he alters his morality to suit the whims of the PK, that's a pretty slippery slope...
Not to mention what it means with who's evil here.

[vegwedge]

None have sold the others out as often as Rygel, always the coward, out to save his hide only. Although Chianna did cheat on D'Argo with his own son, Rygel gets my vote.

[RydraWong]

Why doesn't Pilot get to be on the list, huh?

OK, he hasn't actually done anything bad (except agreeing to be Moya's replacement pilot, and making occasional snarky remarks). Plus his inability to get out and about kinda limits his opportunities.

But given all the crap he's put up with from everyone else in the show, he must surely have a vast reservoir of seething resentment and bitterness stored away.

So I'm sure he could be eeeevil if he ever got the chance ....

(OK, it's a longshot, I know, but I just like the idea of eeeevil Pilot :D ).

[Zantar]

well didnt he try to kill the crew when he found out about the aeryn being involved in the death of the first pilot?

[MournsZhaan]

Originally posted by Zantar
well didnt he try to kill the crew when he found out about the aeryn being involved in the death of the first pilot?

Technically, no. Killing the crew would only have been a side effect of the life support systems being shutdown when Pilot detached himself, which, IMHO (and IANAL) would only be classified as negligence resulting in manslaughter (or, more precisely, sentientbeing slaughter) but no one actually died so it's a moot point. If Pilot would absolutely have refused to be regrafted to Moya, the crew could have used Aeryn's Prowler to blast a hole in Moya and they would have been free to fly out with the Prowler, John's module, and any/all of the transport pods. So, I would not conclude that Pilot tried to kill the crew.

I'll go one step farther and say that, based on some of Pilot's own comments in that episode, he didn't detach himself from Moya to punish Aeryn but to punish himself. He had come face-to-face with his (misplaced) guilt over the death of Moya's first pilot and the way that Moya was tortured into accepting him as her new pilot; I think he felt himself unworthy to be a pilot (after all, the elders had said the same thing about him) and he was really trying to kill himself.

Chris

[ScorpSik]

*dipping my toe into dangerous waters, but, hey, I'm feeling reckless*

Pilot didn't like Sikozu.
That makes him eeeeeeeevil :ewink: :ewink:

[Zantar]

Well sikozu was rather rude to pilot, and i think with all the crap he puts up with he hsa the right not to like someone who acts like they know everything about him (or rather leviathans).

[ScorpSik]

*breaks into huuuuge sarcasm mode*
Perhaps she should cut his arm off, then he might like her?
:rollin:

[Zantar]

Maybe he is a masocist:)

[Zantar]

I dont see why people get so up in arms about what chrichton did. I dont think he honestly had a choice with teh command carrier or the shadow depository. The thing with farscape is we arent dealing with a perfect world where you can do the perfect moral decision, no we are dealing with a world where people have to settle for decisions as being the best one. I think what chrichton did was the best thing, and indeed the only thing he could do for the good of the galaxy.

[MJS]

I must defend Sikozu, she´s not evil, just misunderstood, and that´s not her fault!

[Judith]

Originally posted by RydraWong
Why doesn't Pilot get to be on the list, huh?

OK, he hasn't actually done anything bad (except agreeing to be Moya's replacement pilot, and making occasional snarky remarks). Plus his inability to get out and about kinda limits his opportunities.

But given all the crap he's put up with from everyone else in the show, he must surely have a vast reservoir of seething resentment and bitterness stored away.

So I'm sure he could be eeeevil if he ever got the chance ....

(OK, it's a longshot, I know, but I just like the idea of eeeevil Pilot :D ).

Rydra,

I have been wanting to see more of Pilot's mean side for a long time. Just because I think he's so damn cool in CDM and TWWW. I think he's mostly good, but there is anger there, and I'd love to see an episode where he expresses it some.

[Judith]

Originally posted by Ouroboros


In our first corner we have the infamous John Crichton. (yes this one is also a ring with corners though it is now one with ten corners instead of 4. If you have a problem with that there is something wrong with you.)

He never told his honey bunny Aeryn about his wild fling with Commandant Grayza. If he were to go on the Maury Povich show he would be exposed by the lie detector machine. People who are exposed by lie detector machines are eeeevil

Likely excuses: No the PKs are the evil ones aren’t you paying attention. I was doing the right thing......stop laughing. Well you have to admit she is kinda hot you know.....





Am I the only one who views Grayza's "seduction" of John as rape?

[JrMissToughChick]

Nuranti DUH

Come on she is a drug dealer, pusher, Muderer, Scorpy spy, and she doesn't like Aeryn. She is the only Moyan I can say I never ever Liked and Scropy was a Moyan! More votes for Nuranti Please!

Much Love,
~JrMTC~

[JrMissToughChick]

Originally posted by Judith_Shakespeare
Am I the only one who views Grayza's "seduction" of John as rape?
No It was Rape and I thought He did tell her. I am betting however he never told her about Jena though.

Much Love,
~JrMTC~

[CrystalMoon]

Crichton himself, shot ScarranSikozu *and* StarkOzu, he also killed Harvey and Neeyala himself.... wouldn't like to meet him on a dark night....

Actually, Crichton only killed D'Argo/Jool because he/she was firing at them and wouldn't stop. It was clearly self-defense.

He did NOT kill Aeryn/Chiana. In fact, with tears running down his face, he lowers his gun and says he won't kill her. Then Scorpius grabs the gun while it's still in John's hand and kills Aeryn/Chiana for him. And when Scorpius does that, John elbows him in the face.

As far as Harvey goes, well he's an invasive, unwanted personality (not real - or at least not real in any measurable sense) who murdered Aeryn and has tried to take over John's mind more than once.

John did not kill Neeyala. She was shooting at him and he was defending himself. I believe he kicked her into her own power core thingy, which vaporized her. If he he hadn't done that, he and Jool would be dead and so would everyone else on Moya.

As far as the Shadow Depository goes, John was UNCONSCIOUS when Aeryn asked Crais to blow it up. He had no say in that decision at all. It was pure Aeryn. And of course, the only reason she ordered them to blow it up was because they were cornered. It was self defense.

As far as the Command Carrier goes, I can't believe how everyone just assumes John would've been okay with blowing up all the PKs onboard, simply because he didn't mention two seconds after announcing his plan to the group. Did you see John argue against trying to save the innocent people? Of course not. And didn't he even say something to the effect that they wouldn't blow up the Command Carrier if they couldn't get everyone off? And isn't he the one who insisted they save Noranti later? And didn't he offer both Jool and Sikozu and Chiana a place aboard Moya?

I love the way people remember these events so everything is John's fault. No wonder he has such a bad reputation in the UT!

[JrMissToughChick]

Why is everyone voting for Rygel and Sikozu? They're not evil Sikozu is smart and alittle nieve Rygel is Greedy but for the most part good why the votes? LETS ALL VOTE NURANTI

Much Love,
~JrMTC~

[The Keeper]

Rygel

cause over the 3 seasons that ive seen so far, no one pays that much attention to him and really cant give a damn what he does or what he says...

they could use him as a bullet shield if they really needed to....

[JrMissToughChick]

Originally posted by The Keeper
Rygel

cause over the 3 seasons that ive seen so far, no one pays that much attention to him and really cant give a damn what he does or what he says...

they could use him as a bullet shield if they really needed to.... yeah but he get's down right cute in some of the season four eps giving good advice that of course isn't headed... not that I blam them though with his track record

[scrape_medic]

I voted for Rygel, but that's only becaude he is smaller than me. The rest are all bigger than me and they scare me cause they are all eeeevil!!!

[JrMissToughChick]

S_M :rollin:



It's kinda funny how John has more votes than Aeryn and Dargo... who were both at one point warriors and even now if you piss them off they could just go and kill you

[scrape_medic]

JrMTC
why do you think no one is voting for them!

[JrMissToughChick]

Because the people who don't like John would rather vote him than Aeryn or Dargo... I voted Nuranti though :rollin:

[scaperbuddy]

I voted for Noranti because she drugged John which kept John and Aeryn apart and led to alot of other problems. She also fed them food that made them sick. She also fed the Tartans food that would make them sick. She tried to kill John.

[NYPinTA]

Although it is true that John is responsible for the most deaths since the show started.... (how much do we know of Aeryn's past?Or how many people Chiana infected?) it was usually with the backing of the rest of the crew. However, Noranti did stuff on her own with out asking anyone what they thought... so she is the mostest evil. Johns evilness is divided by the rest of them.... and I can't be bothered to do the math. :cool:

[ScorpSik]

I can't believe people are *still* voting Sikozu.
She hasn't maimed or killed anyone. Hasn't cut off Pilot's arm, hasn't beaten her partner, hasn't detonated a nuclear bomb....
*what has she done*?

Lordy, if the world sees 'mysterious' as evil, it ain't a very nice place!:cool: :whip:

[Clarsax]

I think its just her attitude. I found her to be more evil mainly because she acts so arrogant and self absorbed most of the time. And the way she aligned herself with Scorpius and verbally assaulted most of the Moya crew doesn't improve her reputation much.

[JrMissToughChick]

Originally posted by ScorpSik
I can't believe people are *still* voting Sikozu.
She hasn't maimed or killed anyone. Hasn't cut off Pilot's arm, hasn't beaten her partner, hasn't detonated a nuclear bomb....
*what has she done*?

Lordy, if the world sees 'mysterious' as evil, it ain't a very nice place!:cool: :whip: That is true the only people she killed were the scarren bad guys that would more than likely have killed them all and she did that to save the crew and free her people :)

[Moks]

I voted Rygel. I had mixed feelings about it, because we all know that Rygel is a good guy, down ...down way beneath...waaaay beneath the exterior. However, he's jerk most of the time, so I guess it cancels that miniscule niceness he occasionally expresses.

But I still love the ugly little bastard.

[Unimatrix]

Noranti
She is a drug dealer
Noone knows where she came from
She makes "strange" things in the "kitchen"
:D

[slider142]

I had to go with John; with all those bombs he's been dropping since Season 1 and the portrayal that his actions have already made his name known in the UTs, his only rivals may be the PKs and Scarrans.

[Dangermousie]

I voted for Sikozu. She gets on my nerves in a major way and that is a sure sign of evvvvilllll :D Her liking of Scorpy, despite knowing what he is also earns her evilness points.

Seriously, out of the list, Rygel is rightfully the winner. He sold out the crew time and time again, and with his personality I am sure he did plenty of unjust stuff when he was Dominar.

I honestly don't understand why people think Crichton is evil? Tormented, yes. messed-up? Yes. But I think it's much more important to consider what the motivation behind the acts is, rather than how many people he's killed. E.g. A member of French resistance in WWII (or Nerri in Farscape terms) killed many people through their actions, but I am much more likely to consider someone who killed 1000 people resisting an evil regime, protecting his friends, in self-defense, or to protect destructive knowledge from evil forces a good person, then I am to consider a good person someone who only whacked one person, because he was bored, or who just sat in the corner, killing no one, but letting evil take over the world or letting his friends die.

Crichton is not evil both because he does all these destructive acts (I think they are quite justifiable and/or excusable, e.g. Was he right in blowing a Gammak base in FT? Yes, it was to save his crewmates), and because he feels bad. One of my problems with Scorpy is his lack of remorse over anything. I can buy that he will consider it necessary to use the Aurora chair. I can't buy that he is "good" if it doesn't bother him at least a bit, necessity or not.

Zhaan: she repented. She is a compassionate being before she dies. And she apparently killed a tyrant who sent her family into camps. It goes into the above (Crichton) category

Chiana: spoiled, immature, bratty? Yes. Evil? No

Jool: Ditto.

D'Argo. Whatever he was before (and I don't think he could control his hyper rage. Lo Lann should have told him about it), now he is a loyal and compassionate being. Not evil.

Noranti is perhaps my least fave regular FS character. However, barring furhter development, she is not evil.

Stark? He is not right in the head. I feel pity for him

Aeryn? Whatever she was as a PK, as of now she is certainly not evil (see Zhaan).

[Vinona]

Rygel's the frell of the cycle!!!!!!!

[faustus]

I voted for Noranti because she drugged John which kept John and Aeryn apart and led to alot of other problems. She also fed them food that made them sick. She also fed the Tartans food that would make them sick. She tried to kill John.
but she meant well

[Redmen]

John when uder the controle of Harvy, but i guess that aint John, Aeryn was evil before she "joined" the moya companie, Rygel is selfish as hell but he isnt evil, D`Argo has his Hyperrage moments, Chiana is well Chiana she cant controle her self, Zhaan is a plant so as long as there is food she wont freak out. So maybe Sikozo but she only has the best intrests of her people in her mind so its a hard one. In the end i went with John coz he does the most damage over all.

[SpeX]

true Buckaroo Banzai fan. You don't see many of us around these days...
Keep the faith,bud.
We ain't dead yet.http://myspace-192.vo.llnwd.net/00692/29/12/692382192_l.jpg

I voted for Sikozu,I didn't trust her from day one.

[Moya's Starburst]

I voted for Aeryn well she is deadly and silent..lol, she wasa cold assassin she did kill pilot( the first one) but in second place it is Rygel i mean he'll sell you out in a second!

(P.S D'argo didn't kill his wife he was set up by her brother)
, Zhaan killed her Partner because they were exploiting the power they had)