Brakka and Scorpious [Archive]

RydraWong

09-09-2003, 01:02 PM

do ya really tink peacekeepers would have an open mind to gay's?

IMHO, you could come up with a plausible hypothesis either way.

Historically, some very militarized societies have been extremely hostile to homosexuality, but others have been completely accepting of it.

The ancient Spartans had a fairly PK-like society - everything organized around the military, children removed from their families and raised in training camps, a system that despised the "weak" and "inferior" and other countries, etc. But they were completely accepting of same-sex relationships (and in fact thought that soldiers would fight better if they were fighting alongside their lovers).

But for many fascist societies, racism and xenophobia have gone hand-in-hand with homophobia.

And some have had stages of both - for example, the Nazis initially had one prominent leader (Ernst Rohm) who was known to be gay, but subsequently began horrific persecution of gay men (many of whom died in the Nazi concentration camps).

(Sorry if this is taking the topic into too serious areas ...)

With the PKs, you could argue that since they've completely separated "breeding" from "recreation", they really wouldn't care much if you recreated with someone of the same sex or the opposite sex.

Or you could argue that they'd be as prejudiced about it as they are about everything else.

But there really haven't been any indications either way in the show :).

And of course, even in extremely homophobic societies, you get people who succeed by staying firmly in the closet.

So the field is completely open for anyone who wants to speculate :devil: .

Pilot's babe

09-14-2003, 05:53 PM

I thought so. Braca was always very dedicated to Scorpuis, but I felt Scorpy was more attracted to John. In What Was Lost John calls Braca "Smithers", which plays on The Simpsons tale of unrequited gay love. Mr Burns is this evil guy and his loyal lacky Smithers is hopelessly in love with Burns, but never had the courage to say anything. Again in We're so Screwed Braca comes to Scorpys rescue and John snarks, "Feel the love Mr Burns" so I would say the writers were somewhat aware of the theme they were playing with.

And of course Scorpuis does choose to kiss Braca on their reunion as Braca's reward for loyal service. And it's implied that Braca is jealous of Sikozu when she has Scorpy sex. I ship Scorpuis/Sikozu really. But I love when Braca gives Scorpy the puppy dog eyes, it would have been cool if there had been a bit of a love triangle in season 5. Threesome!

Scorpiusslave

09-22-2003, 01:13 PM

And he told me that when Braca received that Scorpy's kiss on the forehead, the prod got loads of letters of insults, all against an homosexual relationship between Braca and Scorpy.

We concluded that Americans are a bunch of puritans and they don't know what they miss, in brief, more sex, more sado-maso scenes and less bigotry and the American series would be a lot better! :whip:

I think Braca is bisexual, as long as he is dominated, he's happy, but like a good adept in bdsm, he doesn't mind shifting roles.:)

Tiriel

09-22-2003, 01:29 PM

Originally posted by Scorpiusslave
And he told me that when Braca received that Scorpy's kiss on the forehead, the prod got loads of letters of insults, all against an homosexual relationship between Braca and Scorpy.

OMG! I hope you're kidding! That's just...LOL! That's just silly! I mean who could seriously get worked up about the sexual preferences of two fictious, alien characters?!

Ya know, sometimes the world out there just renders me speechless with amazement....

Love and Peace and :rolleyes:

Tiriel :bounce:

RydraWong

09-22-2003, 01:57 PM

I mean who could seriously get worked up about the sexual preferences of two fictious, alien characters?!

Plus - waiting for mid-season 4 to get outraged? What show did they think they were watching all this time?

I mean, it's not like Farscape is the most sexually conservative show around. By that point, you'd already had Dominatrix Rygel and camp D'Argo in WGFA, Staanz, Scorpy-Natira sex, Crichton in fishnets, a Nebari androgyne, "Are you boys a couple?", everyone in black leather (except background extras in fetish gear),Grayza's boob sweat, and Rygel getting laid (the last of which should surely be enough to push anyone's boundaries).

And after all that, they freak about a little kiss on the forehead? :rolleyes:

Scorpiusslave

09-22-2003, 05:47 PM

by those people's blindness and bigotry, I mean, Farscape is such a great show when it comes to sex, like you said, it's not conservative but I think certain people (men) wouldn't mind two girls kissing or even more, but two men ? yech, horror, oh my God... ;)

Sometimes, I'm just happy bing a woman and being French! :D :whip:

Ouroboros

10-01-2003, 03:57 AM

My aunt kisses my mother on the cheeks on thanksgiving sometimes. I shudder to think what conclusions would be drawn from this were my life a Tv show.

Sometimes a rock is just a rock people.

Bandana Girl

10-01-2003, 11:52 AM

Actually I heard Scorpy was killing Sikozou. So... Sikozou's dead and Braca is still around.

I can't beleive they got a whole bunch of letters!!! I know for a Star Trek DS9 episode where Dax kisses a past wife they got a lot of calls too. "you're ruining my children!!!" One program employee asked if watching some one get shot with a Phaser was ruining this persons kids and they said 'no'.
So I'm kinda not surpised by the stupidity of some people. I know one person looks at it as a mafia kiss.:dunno:

Scorpiusslave

10-01-2003, 12:05 PM

I haven't watch the entire 4th season as I order my tapes in GB, (in France, we're one season behind), but that's sad news, not for Braca anyway...:whip:

I suppose it's Braca who helped Scorpy escaped death at the beginning of season 4 ? :confused:

I wonder what a mafia kiss is, despite the fact I love watching the Sopranos, I'm no specialist of the uses in the mafia, could you explain, please ?

If the american society is so violent, it's maybe because they priviledge weapons to kisses in their medias, they'd use more sex, it would get them more relaxed...:D I wonder if Bush gets enough ? We all know Clinton did, and the world was less violent then... I got an idea: why don't we send Grayza to Georginou ?:whip:

soccerscaper

10-01-2003, 12:17 PM

Sikozu was not killed by Scorpius!!! He was just being kinky.

ScorpSik

10-02-2003, 01:31 AM

(((SOCCERSCAPER)))

THANK YOU!!! People seems soooo eager to think the worst of our lovlies!!
Sikozu is alive and well, and living in Dorchester!:D

Bandana Girl

10-03-2003, 10:31 AM

Well at Scapercon, EVERYONE asked, were they just being kinky or did Scorpy strangle her and Wayne Pygram said thet Scorpy was killing her:eek3: And said he perfers not to think of Scorpy as a sexual being at all. Just extremely cold.
(I personally think that that means scorpy only thinks she's dead. I mean she was genetically engineered and all and we don't know too much about her.:candle: )

A mafia kiss I guess is just an innocent kiss between the mafia captain and a suborddinate as a sign of loyalty. I guess 'cause of that whole Family thing in the mafia:kotc:

And Scorpious slave I'm Canadian and I agree with you on the whole media being more relaxed abouty sex in the States. We get tons of their media up here and they seem EXTREMELY uptight about it. But not about blowing people away:confused:

RydraWong

10-03-2003, 11:18 AM

I've read other interviews with Wayne where he said that the intended effect when they filmed the scene was erotic asphyxiation, but that he liked the ambiguity about the way it came out and the idea that Scorpy might have killed Sikozu.

ScorpSik

10-03-2003, 01:05 PM

*puts fingers in ears, hums reaaaally loudly, desperately striving to avoid falling into a bottomless pit of despair and sorrow*

Sikozu's alive... Sikozu's alive... Sikozu's alive... Sikozu's alive...

Why would he kill her?
He showed genuine tenderness toward her throughout the season, they have the same goal, she could certainly be useful to him....
Besides, all you have to do is watch her face in that last scene - it sure as hell wasn't an expression of 'lordy, I'm gonna die'... well, except through pleasure....:whip:

*ScorpSik hides under the covers until nasty thoughts of Sikozu *gulp* not being alive, vanish*

RydraWong

10-03-2003, 01:13 PM

OK, found a quote (and remember, this is Wayne's take on it, not necessarily TPTB's):

http://www.starburstcards.com/KarlswebNewscape/DataStores/DataStores16.htm

"Somebody asked me at a convention recently about that final image with Sikozu on my knee. He said, 'Look, did you kill her with that thing around her neck?' and when I watched it, that's what I got, that I'd actually killed her. What we were playing was erotic asphyxiation or something around that, but in the final cut, it came across so beautifully and so cold that as a viewer, I thought, 'Oh, I've actually killed her; that's fantastic!' I'll be happy for people to think that, because that's Scorpius: come here and sit on my knee; you're my girl - boom! I think we'd lost a bit of that coldness and his ability to surprise, so when that guy asked me that question, I thought, ‘Fantastic! If that's the last time we see him, that's him'."

But remember, this is Farscape - even if she is dead, there's no reason it has to be permanent ... :D

soccerscaper

10-03-2003, 01:38 PM

She's not dead! It was the same kind of kinky sex thing that he had going with Natira. From what others have said, Wayne just didn't like how "nice" they were making his character, or he was just creating doubt! What a character he must be.

So don't worry ScorpSilk. I believe that Sikozu is still alive and kicking in the UTs.

ScorpSik

10-03-2003, 03:39 PM

Thanks SoccerScaper

*ScorpSik raises twelfth glass of vodka to lips with veeery shaky hands*

Personally, I *liked* that Scorpy found an equally unique, intelligent, and lonely soulmate..... Scorpy didn't lose his inner strength at all in S4.
I think Wayne (gawd love him) needs to understand *why* we Scorpy fans love him... Scorpy was so much more than a 'villain'

RydraWong

10-03-2003, 03:57 PM

You might like this quote from Raelee Hill, from the Season 4 Companion (if you haven't already seen it):

"I took one look at Wayne and knew his would be the character I wanted to play with the most. I love Scorpius. I think he is gorgeous. What's not to love about Scorpy? Look at him. He just wants a big cuddle!
[In their first scene together] He confides some information to her and she then jumps out of the grave to talk to Grayza and try to save him. A tiny little allegiance starts all the way back then. And back on Moya, a couple of times she quickly smiles at him, or holds his gaze just a little bit too long ... I knew if I planted a couple of seeds like that, the writers would pick up on it, and they did. They ran with the baton!"

NeuralClone

10-06-2003, 07:54 PM

... And there's an interview with Wayne on Farscape World (http://www.farscapeworld.com/interviews/int/sfwayne.shtml) where he discusses what they had planned for Sikozu's future in Season Five:
Wayne: Well, she literally rebuilt his coolant rod. I'm sure what they had in mind was a bit of a partnership going into season 5. I know Raelee was really looking forward to that; I know we were both feeling a bit lost on Moya, thinking "What are they gonna do with us?" I know we were going to, well we did, we got off Moya, and I'm pretty sure we would've become partners to some degree. More like, I think, scientific partners, with an edge. But I think Raelee was looking forward to that, something really definitive to work on, to focus on. I think her character was beginning to get really successful, and she was getting really comfortable within her character. And you could see where she was in the mix of Farscape.

Ouroboros

10-07-2003, 02:03 AM

Well at Scapercon, EVERYONE asked, were they just being kinky or did Scorpy strangle her and Wayne Pygram said thet Scorpy was killing her And said he perfers not to think of Scorpy as a sexual being at all. Just extremely cold.

I get the feeling here and from the other quotes presented that Mr. Pygram would want this as the ending for his character should this be the shows end. He's expressed skepticism as to whether the show will ever be ressurected and I don't hold that against him. It looks from this convention quote (which I assume is the most recent) that he went back and thought over the idea after answering the question he got before and decided he really did like the killing scenario. It's now become his position on how the scene is to be interpreted. (The guy who asked that question the first time had better watch out for blood mad Sikozu fans) As an ending though I agree with him that it has a great impact, it's a great shocker to an audience who was starting to feel closer to Scorpius over season 4. To remind them so brutally that he's capable of something like that is very dramatic, almost putting the overly trusting viewer who's warmed up to him too much in his hands for strangulation. Of course Scorpius wouldn't snap her neck without a reason, we've seen he's not really a kill for jollies type of guy. If he did in fact twist her head off like a bottle cap it's probably because she was a Scarran spy and he took offense at her trying to "cozy up" to him and play him for a fool by his emotions. Scorpius has been frelled with one too many times in that regard, by Crichton and arguably by Braca as well. Perhaps he's finally become fed up with people taking undue advantage of his welcoming nature.

If on the other hand the show does go on I'm sure Mr. Pygram would agree that it would be more interesting to have it go on with Sikozu. Even assuming the spy angle is to be pursued.

So basically she's only dead if the show doesn't get a season 5.

ScorpSik

10-07-2003, 03:46 AM

(((((NC)))))

People clearly want me to have n aneurysm...

Sikozu was *not* a frelling Scarran spy!!

She works for the resistance, and that last scene doesn't *remotely* look like a death scene.....quite how anyone can interperet it that ay, is beyond me

And if I ever do find out who asked that bloody question in the first place, I shall do more than 'glow'

AAARRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*ScorpSik's brain explodes*
:wb: :wingnut: :scare: :smash:

Zantar

10-07-2003, 06:06 PM

well if you want to have someone to hate...i asked the question!

/me jumps in a bunker

ScorpSik

10-08-2003, 02:50 AM

Really?
Why? Did it really look to you like she was being killed?
I only ask, because I never saw it that way + it was v.surprising to find people did..... or were you just stirring?:ewink:

If I'm 100% honest, I was more annoyed with Wayne's answer, than by the question.... what a cruel thing to say.

I hope Raelee is not bugged by people at Burbank, asking whether Sikozu is dead.
That must be really hard for her. Lordy, if she loves the character as much as me, it must be very upsetting......
She might actually think that we *want* Sikozu dead......:mad:

*ScorpSik trembles in fear at the mere thought*

jfranka

10-08-2003, 02:00 PM

If

(Scorpy + Braca) * forheadkiss = Scorpy + homosexuality

(Scorpy + Sikozu) * asphyxiation = Sikozu - life

Braca * (loyalty + devotion) = Braca + homosexuality

AchivingGoals(Scorpy * trust) + John = Scorpy + homosexuality

And

Rygel * fetishgear + John = (madness + John)/comedy

(Jool + Chiana) * dancing = 0

(Chiana (Spiderwoman + John + Scorpious + D'argo + Aeryn)) * (kiss + frell) = trait ^ stegnth

Therefore....

(Scorpy + Braca) * dancing = 0

Scorpy * fetishgear + Braca = (madness + Braca)/comedy

D'ago * (loyalty + devotion) = D'ago + homosexuality

AchivingGoals(John * trust) + Scorpy = John + homosexuality

(Jool + Chiana) * forheadkiss = Jool homosexuality

Okay, I'm still figuring this out......:D :D :D

RydraWong

10-08-2003, 02:14 PM

<steps in at lightning speed ...>

... we can therefore reach the following conclusions:

A: Everyone on this show is kinkoid, not to mention polymorphously perverse.

and

B: Some of them (John, Aeryn, Sikozu, Zhaan, Crais, Talyn, etc.) might be dead, but this should only be considered a temporary inconvenience at worst.

QED.

:devil:

Darth Buddha

11-06-2003, 11:57 AM

This thread really kind of disgusts me.

Not because the concept of Braca being gay or any of that disgusts me... I could care. For myself, my gay friends are a nice break from the usual macho types... but that is all an aside.

What disgusts me is the fact that a man having loyalty to a captain who is so different from what he has known before, so much BETTER than what he has known before, should be so strange as to assume some sort of ulterior motive (sexuality).

Let's see...

Crais ... wild rages
Scorpy ... controlled

Crais ... unscrupulous
Scorpy ... scruples regarding certain contracts

Crais ... totally self serving
Scorpius ... totally committed to saving the Sebacean race

Crais ... vindicitive toward his underlings
Scorpius ... mentoring toward loyal underlings

What's not to be outrageously loyal to?

NieMMY

11-12-2003, 06:23 PM

Scorpy gets lead around by bracca like a dog then gets a slapping because his boot licking action was not up too scratch, Then Scorpie gives Bracca a kiss, then takes out back of the command carrier and paddles his arse silly! Farscape its all one rich canvas! HEHEH Only in aussie can they make Fetish into Sci-Fi:whip: :aok: :ewink: Sicko's Goto luv Em!

L&H N

Zantar

11-12-2003, 11:14 PM

I dont see why its fetish. They were just close male friends...i dont see that as a thing that is that unbelievable. Personally i think USA culture just has a really hard time understanding that.

Though...I cant say i like or trust Braca so im not sure why Scorpy has so much confidence in him.

NieMMY

11-13-2003, 04:11 AM

Wayne just didn't like how "nice" they were making his character I agree Wayne! If I was you mate! I would walk upto Froon and punch him in the back of the head! "Thats what you get for turning my charecter into a Gay!" ... But jezz dosen't it make you sick! Scorpius was the roughest toughest charecter since Darth bloody vader then they ruin him, turn him into a simpering whimp! It must make Wayne want to throw up after every shoot!

Don't you worry Wayne us Aussies have to stick togeather mate! I'll stick up for Ya! If those writers have there way Scorpius will be marching in the Gay rights parade in downtown Sydney! We must not let that happen!Mate!

When I first saw Scorpius in season 1. I tryed modelling my life on Scorpius's teachings!I wanted to join up with his drunkin posse and swing a sack of door knobs.:rollin:Now Scorpius is stroking flowers, hugging chrighton,kissing Brakka! Now I don't belive in nuffin no more!I'm going to law school!

||N||

Darth Buddha

11-13-2003, 06:47 AM

He was out of power...

Down on his luck...

He needed Crichton, just as he needs Braka now.

Once he is established in his own right again, he will not need to be such a suck-up.

Moreover, once he returns to badass state, I think his true assessments of both Braka and Crichton will be quite different. Braka owed him loyalty -- do we REALLY know that he considers Braka came through with that?

John.. by HIS standards does he feel that John owed him loyalty, or was he just playing on what he perceived John's weaknesses were (his sense of personal morality over utilitarian morality - the opposite of Scorpy?

Finally, does he now consider John treacherous or does he consider JOHN a badass too, worthy of joining the badass club, if he'd just get the big picture?

stellar

11-13-2003, 06:52 AM

Scorpius is the best kind of badass; the patient kind. He's an opportunist with the poker face of all poker faces. He has just enough good in him to maximize the realization of his bad.

Darth Buddha

11-13-2003, 07:30 AM

Remember too that even serious badassed can do good.

Darth Vader redeemed himself. Of course, I think he would have fed Braka his mivonks, whether he needed him or not, but that's just me.

ScorpSik

11-13-2003, 08:03 AM

Originally posted by NieMMY
I agree Wayne! If I was you mate! I would walk upto Froon and punch him in the back of the head! "Thats what you get for turning my charecter into a Gay!" ... But jezz dosen't it make you sick! Scorpius was the roughest toughest charecter since Darth bloody vader then they ruin him, turn him into a simpering whimp! It must make Wayne want to throw up after every shoot!

||N||

Is this meant to be sarcastic?

The majority of us 'true' Scorpius fans love the character for his *goodness*. Scorpy has a hell of a good reason for all he does. 'Villain' he is not.
The relationship with Sikozu was beautiful, and showed the *heart* of Scorpius.
If you want 1 dimensional cartoon baddies, then read a comic book.
Scorpius has many facets - good and bad - just like everyone else. To see his virtues alongside his flaws is what makes him intersting and, yes, attractive.

Wayne has upset many Scorpius fans by some of his comments (shudders at the Sikozu rumour) - negating the good in Scorpy, merely to satisfy a mob of people who see *sigh* JC as 'hero' and Scorpy as 'villain'

I also find your 'gay' comments rather distasteful.
Equating 'wimpy' with gay is a terrible and offensive stereotype.:whip:

Darth Buddha

11-13-2003, 08:14 AM

Originally posted by ScorpSik
Is this meant to be sarcastic?

The majority of us 'true' Scorpius fans love the character for his *goodness*. Scorpy has a hell of a good reason for all he does. 'Villain' he is not.

The relationship with Sikozu was beautiful, and showed the *heart* of Scorpius. If you want 1 dimensional cartoon baddies, then read a comic book. Scorpius has many facets - good and bad - just like everyone else. To see his virtues alongside his flaws is what makes him intersting and, yes, attractive.

Wayne has upset many Scorpius fans by some of his comments (shudders at the Sikozu rumour) - negating the good in Scorpy, merely to satisfy a mob of people who see *sigh* JC as 'hero' and Scorpy as 'villain'

I also find your 'gay' comments rather distasteful. Equating 'wimpy' with gay is a terrible and offensive stereotype.:whip:

I'm glad you tackled that. I considered it, but really felt there were others who could do a better job of it. Gay or straight has nothing to do with tough. I've known characters who are quite butch who would pulverize somebody for that sort of smear... with this straight guy's assistance.

And I agree with you about Scorpy not being a straight villain... he's more complicated than villainy. I prefer to think of him as an abused anti-hero already well on the road to redemption.

I prefer to think of his toughness as being a badass, like other classic anti-heros. Batman (especially in the Dark Knight Returns comics and Warner Brother's Cartoon renditions), Wolverine (in the comics), and even Magneto or Darth Vader, were all INCREDIBLY TOUGH characters. Some of them could be as gentle as Scorpy at times, though, nonetheless.

Scorpy will always be a badass.

And the John hero - Scorpy villain dynamic is pounding both characters so flat as to make them boring.

NieMMY

11-14-2003, 01:40 AM

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I appreciate that you and ||S|| have a certain way of thinking about Scorpius! I'm not totally unsypathtic to your ideal! But I don't know! If hes not going to be the Ultimate bad guy whats he doing there? I think Wayne thinks the same way on that.

And no I don't hate gays "hell the more of them there are the more women there are for me!"

But in as a saving grace he throttled a bloke last week "so that something" And to find out that he choked the life out of SikoZoo that was the iceing on the cake as far as I'm concerned.Personally I would have shoved her out an airlock , there would be no body to explane "But scorpius is a passionate fellow and dosen't think of the finer points"

But to have Scorpius turn into a really nasty peice of work again "is a dream i hold onto for if they make anymore episodes" If only to annoy ||S||

Luvs & huggles NieMMY

NieMMY

11-14-2003, 01:46 AM

But then again it would be intersting to see crighton and Scorpius fight the Scarrens togeather! What I hope is they get this stupid silly Wormhole nonsence out of the way! Talk about beating a dead horse! I wanna really see total war with the Scarrens if they make any more episodes!

Judith

11-14-2003, 01:55 AM

Originally posted by NieMMY
quote:

I appreciate that you and ||S|| have a certain way of thinking about Scorpius! I'm not totally unsypathtic to your ideal! But I don't know! If hes not going to be the Ultimate bad guy whats he doing there? I think Wayne thinks the same way on that.

I think it makes a show more interesting when even the antagonist isn't "the ultimate bad guy". If we aren't sympthetic to Scorpius, the show would become much more black and white. I think what a lot of people love about Farscape is it leaves a lot of room for thought. You have to work out on your own how many of Scorpius' values are actually wrong. And how many of John's actions are actually right. There is no any right answer...but it keeps you thinking after the episode is over and the TV is turned off. And I think that's part of the reason we want the show back. Cause we still have a lot of questions. Not that this show will ever give us an easy answer, but it will give more data for the questions we have now (and, I think, raise even more questions :) )

I mean, because Scorpius is not a black and white character, and because he has such a strong sense of dignity...there were times in the forth season when he was being tortured that I almost felt physically ill. Because Scorpius is so dignified. Because that's how things are supposed to be. Because when Scorpius loses control...the universe really has gotten scary. But I think when we see the whole arc of the show, this will ultimately strengthen his character.

So, I guess this is really off topic, but yeah, I like that Scorpius isn't the ultimate bad guy.

Judith

11-14-2003, 02:02 AM

And this is more than slightly off topic, but since we're talking about male friendships and the like...

I think John and Scorpius are actually friends. I mean, don't get me wrong...I think they hate each other. But they're also able to joke together. I think I first started noticing this in ITLD when John and Scorpius go through the wormhole. They've developed a way to talk to each other, to joke, and yes, they still screw each other over, but I think ultimately there is some genuine affection there.

I think it's kind of like the guy at work that you can't stand, but you have to work with him so you try and put up with him. And then you find out you have a common interest and you talk for a while. And you realize that while you still wouldn't like to party with him, you don't mind when he stops by your desk on the way to the breakroom.

NieMMY

11-14-2003, 02:38 AM

Hmm So there's a little role reversal going on Evil crighton Good Scorpius hmmm I see! I suppose even hitler like dogs and children! So when will Scorpius break out of his affections for Crighton! Well its all prologe now I guess! Nup i think I like who he was in Nerve & HM, I think I liked that Scorpie better! but new Age Scorpie is ok too I guess. A little bit more interesting concidering I pushed for this its a little late to bitch now!

Back to the original question Yes Scorpius does like to play hide the sausage with Brakka , and crighton too now, it would seem! I think there is love there :rollin:crighton Forget Ayren and have a wicked relationship with Scorpius "you know you want too Crighton!":smokin: Wouldn't that be a mind frell for the shippers :rollin:

Darth Buddha

11-14-2003, 03:43 AM

Originally posted by Judith_Shakespeare
And this is more than slightly off topic, but since we're talking about male friendships and the like...

I think John and Scorpius are actually friends. I mean, don't get me wrong...I think they hate each other. But they're also able to joke together. I think I first started noticing this in ITLD when John and Scorpius go through the wormhole. They've developed a way to talk to each other, to joke, and yes, they still screw each other over, but I think ultimately there is some genuine affection there.

I think it's kind of like the guy at work that you can't stand, but you have to work with him so you try and put up with him. And then you find out you have a common interest and you talk for a while. And you realize that while you still wouldn't like to party with him, you don't mind when he stops by your desk on the way to the breakroom.

The emotions you feel for your fearless leader are different from friendship, different from "like". If you've got a good leader, regardless of whether you "like" him per se, you lionize him (or her), and wish to please him (or her).

pyroturtle

11-14-2003, 10:47 AM

back to captain b. i think he's got all the stress releif he needs in his two hands...
as for scorpius, he's got so many facets, i don't think even scorpius knows what's going on in his head!

Judith

11-14-2003, 01:32 PM

Originally posted by NieMMY
Hmm So there's a little role reversal going on Evil crighton Good Scorpius hmmm I see! I suppose even hitler like dogs and children! So when will Scorpius break out of his affections for Crighton! Well its all prologe now I guess! Nup i think I like who he was in Nerve & HM, I think I liked that Scorpie better! but new Age Scorpie is ok too I guess. A little bit more interesting concidering I pushed for this its a little late to bitch now!

Back to the original question Yes Scorpius does like to play hide the sausage with Brakka , and crighton too now, it would seem! I think there is love there :rollin:crighton Forget Ayren and have a wicked relationship with Scorpius "you know you want too Crighton!":smokin: Wouldn't that be a mind frell for the shippers :rollin:

Why does the mere mention of male friendship mean that the men are necessarily gay? Are there only two kinds of relationships allowed between men? Men either have to have a sexual relationship with each other, or they have to hate each other? That seems to be what you're implying.

As far as how Scorpius has changed...all the characters have changed. They have grown. They have been affected by the consquences of their decisions. I think the fact that Scorpius isn't the same guy as he was in Hidden Memory is a character stregnth, not flaw. No one can be the same person they were three years ago. Not Scorpius, not John, not Bracca, not me, not you. Having him evolve is the only realistic course the show could take.

Judith

11-14-2003, 01:34 PM

Originally posted by Darth Buddha
The emotions you feel for your fearless leader are different from friendship, different from "like". If you've got a good leader, regardless of whether you "like" him per se, you lionize him (or her), and wish to please him (or her).

I am confused... Scorpious is not John's leader, nor the other way around. Maybe I'm way too off topic here to be talking about a friendship between John And Scorpious. Maybe I should start a different thread. But it's something that really intrigues me.

Darth Buddha

11-14-2003, 02:51 PM

Originally posted by Judith_Shakespeare
I am confused... Scorpious is not John's leader, nor the other way around. Maybe I'm way too off topic here to be talking about a friendship between John And Scorpious. Maybe I should start a different thread. But it's something that really intrigues me.

I didn't realize that was your target.

And I think that a John & Scorpy: The Relationship would make a GREAT thread. If it just devolved into the John vs. Scorpy fans, that would be kind of boring. But if you specified what you wanted the thread to be about and NOT about, I think it would be great!

NieMMY

11-14-2003, 05:27 PM

Judith_Shakespeare

You make really great points. but I don't think there could be a friendship beteen Scorpius and Crighton, but I do think there is a mutual respectfor each other, Scorpius is prolly amazed at crighton, just one creature and he has managed to destroy Scorpius's gamak base, then he destroyed his command carrier.

If Iwas Scorpius I wouldn't be worried about Scarrens, I would be far more worried about if humans ever took to space. If one man can do that what would six billion of us do:irate: :jedi: :aok:

Devnull

11-19-2003, 11:18 PM

Braca is not gay damn't!

:rollin:

AnnieBW

11-28-2003, 04:05 PM

Braca is Scorpy-sexual. :rollin:

Seriously, I would agree with the person who said that the PKs probably have no problem with homosexuality, as long as it followed the rules - don't openly hook up with anybody, and don't have relationships. Hey, if you badly need to "reduce fluid levels" and the only people around to "recreate" with are your fellow male or female soldiers, who are you gonna frell? Since sexual activity isn't tied to procreation, they probably don't care. Aeryn seemed to be turned off by Chiana's advances in TS, but I think that was more because she was being uber-PK at the time, and PKs don't do aliens. But I can definitely see Braca being bi.

- Annie

JrMissToughChick

11-28-2003, 05:03 PM

Originally posted by Devnull
Braca is not gay damn't!
He is just loyal to a fault.

DJJ

09-10-2005, 11:15 PM

Braca is sooo not gay!! He just follows around Scorpy because its the best thing for him to do follow around the the person with the most power

But i think he was beinging to have second thoughts in the PK wars after Scorpy had started the war with the scarrens and told them to pull back, amazing how even after scorpy had given Braca the command of the carrier Scorpy was still giving orders

PKBraca

06-05-2008, 06:49 AM

Braca is sooo not gay!! He just follows around Scorpy because its the best thing for him to do follow around the the person with the most power

At first, yes. But remember Braca stayed loyal to Scorpius all the time he was with Grayza even though she had more power and was better for his career than Scorpius who kept drifting in and out of favour.

That does not suggest he is gay but that he is not mearly some kind of political bounty hunter available to the highest bidder.
I think Scorpius is the man who changed him.
Braca knew Scorpius was barely tolerated and hated by the PK's. He was supposed to have no respect for Scorpy. But the more time he spent with him and more he got to see his genius and care for the Sebacean race the more he saw past the circumstances of Scorpy's birth to see this man was more worthy of his loyalty than anyone else he has ever met.

Braca was also loyal to his people over his leaders as shown when he relieved Grayza from duty when she tried to sacrifice her crew, at the risk of his life. He is well capable of thinking himself, and he has at least some lines he won't cross, but I think Scorpy showed him that was OK.

To he honest, I like to ship Braca and Scorpy but their friendship interests me more. It's one of the purest things in Farscape. One of the things I like about Braca is that he is willing to look past the obvious to the essence of Scorpius.

As for the kiss, it was not an unusual practice in Ancient Rome for a commander to kiss a loyal subordinate who had done well. It wasn't about sex but about approval. Braca would have known Scorpius was saying he appreciated Braca's loyalty and was glad he had stayed by him. I feel that would mean A LOT to Scorpius. He would not have thought "Yes! I'm in! Next stop breakfast in bed!"

I think Braca is bi, in a fashion. Peacekeepers don't usually keep relationships but I doubt Braca would say no, or be overly fussed, if Scorpius has that requirement from him. Same for Grayza. There is no doubt he found her exciting but she drugged every man she was in the room is you can't read too much into that.

I'm glad Scorpius has Braca. Scorpy deserves someone who sees him for himself.