Which would be more helpful to Save Farscape?

[Perfect_Tommy]

So now with all the rumours flying and what seems to be a near 90% chance that Farscape will be returning in a non-season form soon, I must post a question to the board.

Which of the 2 rumours do you think would be more helpful in the long run to save Farscape?

A full length Feature movie:

Pros:
Wide spread attention and ads.
larger budget
Clear cut that Farscape has a following (it's hard to say people don't watch Farscape when you have 20million+ on an opening weekend ;))

Cons:
Limited to telling a story in around 2 hours
may get written off as a crappy TV to Film movie

Mini-Series

Pros:
4-8 hours easy of Farscaping goodness to help build fanbase and make current fans a little bit happier
Depending on which station shows it, could open Farscape to a broader audience

Cons:
Likely a Smaller budget then a feature film
Could be subject to poor advertising more so then a feature
could be put in a bad time slot or drop in a hole mid-season as filler


Just a few pros and cons from the top of my head. Well till we get the offical word, lets keep the hope and let Henson know they have our full support on any Farscape Project.

[MediaSavant]

I don't get your question.

If Farscape comes back in any form, it has been "saved", in my opinion.

If it comes back as a movie, it's been "saved."

If it comes back as a mini-series, it's been "saved."

Either option means success, in my opinion, given the odds of us getting anything.

If Henson gives us something, they will do what they were able to given the financial realities laid before them. Only they are in position to say what was posssible and what wasn't for them and what each option's strengths were...if they even have options.

[Perfect_Tommy]

How I mean saved is for another complete season. That is the overall goal, even though a movie and/or mini-series is a victory.

Once we get this project that the rumours are about, I'm not sure how many people will quit fighting for Farscape, but I plan to fight till I either lose all hope or we get atleast one more season.

So the question is what is more helpful in the long run to get another season on TV.

[CrystalMoon]

The thing is, Perfect_Tommy, what if a mini-series or movie is all that Henson can do? I can see fighting for a fifth season if Henson says that they hope they can use a mini-series to lead into a fifth season. But what if they say they're going to wrap up all the loose ends in a mini-series (which is what some of the rumors have said) so they can finish telling the story?

If it's the latter, then there's not much to fight for because Henson will be done. I think a lot will depend on what they say in their announcement.

[Perfect_Tommy]

**beats his head on the wall**

That falls under the lose all hope clause.

This question is 100% what if. I'm just saying, if Henson decides to keep shopping around and trying to get more on TV, which of the rumours, as a fan and an informed TV savy person, do you think would be more helpful for them to get a season 5 picked up.

Hypothetical. 100% what-if.

[RydraWong]

How I mean saved is for another complete season. That is the overall goal, even though a movie and/or mini-series is a victory.

Hey, what the "overall goal" is surely depends on what DK and Rockne O'Bannon and Brian Henson want it to be.

What they've said repeatedly is that they want the chance to continue the show and give it a proper ending (remember, they were talking about ending it at the end of season 5 anyway). They've never said that that has to be another complete season and couldn't be a movie or miniseries.

We know they all care passionately about Farscape - it's their baby. So I think we have to trust that they'll go for whatever is the best option available to them, and that they won't settle for anything that will sell the show short.

There are all sorts of ways it could go - and even if they used the movie/miniseries/whatever to wrap up the main plotlines, that wouldn't rule out future spin-offs.

But they're the ones who have to make that call.

Not us.

Maybe they'll make an announcement saying "we're doing a movie/miniseries/whatever, but we hope it'll just be a jumping-off point for more seasons of the show."

But I hate the idea that if DK and Brian and co. finally come out with an announcement saying "we've got a movie, we're going to give the show a proper ending, we're so happy and excited" they'd be met by a wall of Scapers going "huh, not good enough."

That falls under the lose all hope clause.

A fantastic movie would be "lose all hope"???

[Shipscat]

I think either one would be helpful if more Farscape series is the ultimate goal..they both have their pros and cons, which you've illustrated pretty well.

[Perfect_Tommy]

Originally posted by RydraWong

A fantastic movie would be "lose all hope"??? [/B]

No, an anouncment that they don't plan to try nad have a season 5 would make me lose all hope of getting a season five. Please don't put words in my mouth. If you read anything that I say on this board, you'd know that I find anything a victory in this campaign.

So a reminded, it's all up to the creators and producers of the show, but if they decided to....... awwwww hell, I give up. let this post die.......

[RydraWong]

No, an anouncment that they don't plan to try nad have a season 5 would make me lose all hope of getting a season five.

OK - I misunderstood.

Please don't put words in my mouth.

That was absolutely not my intention.

[jayelsee]

Hey Perfect Tommy, I got your point......I've been reading a lot of the "rumour" threads.

I voted "movie" because:

They could do it well. It could be a "filler" for S1 or 2. And although some might say a 'replay' of Premier, which might be done so new viewers would "understand" Farscape, might turn fans off, I think it could be done so that it satisfied BOTH fans and new viewers.
They could do it "cheap" (Austrailia's tax break for feature films vs. none for TV)
They WOULD use the original actors and not Brad Pitt or Julia Roberts (I CANNOT believe we would be betrayed by Hensen, DK, RO etc. even with pressure from TPTB)......and Ben, Claudia et al would be a lot cheaper than Brad & Julia.
It would be great.
It would attract new fans.
Current fans would go see the movie a gazillion times and boost ticket sales and publicity.

New viewers would be attracted to the first four seasons, which would either already be in syndication or soon would be because of the movie.
If the first four seasons weren't already in syndication, new viewers would buy DVDs.

ANY ADDITIONAL FARSCAPE IN ANY FORM is good for us UNLESS they say, "And that's all, folks".

Oh, yeah edited to say, And all the above would lead to production of seasons 5, 6, 7, 8, .....................and the "next generation" (John & Aeryn's offspring, anyone?)

[Judith]

Originally posted by jayelsee
They WOULD use the original actors and not Brad Pitt or Julia Roberts (I CANNOT believe we would be betrayed by Hensen, DK, RO etc. even with pressure from TPTB)......and Ben, Claudia et al would be a lot cheaper than Brad & Julia.




I don't think they would do that...either to us, or to the actors. From what I've heard just on DVD commentaries, it seems like the cast, crew, producers, etc. all have great mutual respect for each other.

I think the only way they wouldn't get an original actor is if the actor had an ongoing project. But haven't pretty much all of the actors stated how much they love the show? And want to continue with it? I think they'd make it work.

:kitty:

[Xothas]

Your poll is lacking an option: either.

I trust Henson and TPTB reponsible for Farscape. I will do whatever I can to support either option, or unmentioned options, for that matter. Sure, I want season 5, but any new project can be a gateway for such. For now, I'll just go back to work - it's not over by a longshot!

[Dominar of Action]

And Claudia stated at the Saturns that TPTB wouldn't work so hard at continuing FS and then not turn around and wait for all the actors to be available, if need be. ;)

As for my opinion in Tommy's hypothetical ... I see the same pros/cons as Tommy lists with each option, but I would probably fall on the side of a mini-series (but it'd be close). The mini-series, by virtue of being 1) free and 2) longer, would potentially reach a greater number of people, *if* it is supported by equal marketing and is on a widely available network. But as Xothas said, I trust TPTB to do what's best -- they have just as much (if not more) of an interest in seeing Farscape succeed as we do.

[Perfect_Tommy]

One thing I started thinking though, on the pros of a Movie..... you wouldn't have to wait for a rerun to see it again. Just take an evening to go see it again ;)

[DentArthurDent]

Big things I see good in a movie is simple.

I think FS has always been shot to very high production values, possibly approach the native movie level. The Shoot on 35mm Cameras and film and put all the money onscreen. That being said, rebuilding sets and such to Big Screen production values would be fantastic as a set lead in for a return of the show. With the VERY BIG IF that the sets would be built somewhere, that they could continue shooting at.

On the other claw, if they are looking Mini, there might be a temptation to cut the values down in an effort to save money. Many people would not notice on the TV set [unless they are us] and that might bode ill for continuing.

It also seems to me that continuing the story, a movie fits right in. The Mini, well there might be some pressure for it to be a wrap-up.

In the end, I will watch either way, and laugh at the next amusing thing John Says, watch with admiration when Claudia utterly steals a scene...etc, etc. But for audience reach, for continuation possibility, my hope is with a movie. My hope is that in the final analysis this becomes more about the heart, about passion, about telling a story that your children ask you about when they are adults. I have Hope.

AFD
'Nobody would ever dream, if they had to stop and count the cost.'

[uisceboo]

We technically don't have ANY options, and as Xothas pointed out, there is at least one option mission. The overwhelming majority of fans would be happy with any Farscape. There are a variety of ways Farscape could return, an maybe more than one way -- the option for a film was there since season 2, an idea in the back of their minds. Why only one way?

Plus, one thing that all these debates overlook: it's not our choice. TPTB will most likely work first with the option that will get Farsape back up and running -- sets built, costumes out of storage -- first -- and work from there. Our job is not to second-guess if their choice is right. Our job is to make sure whatever they do choose (or are at least able to do) is so well-received that they can do more. If we trusted them to make four seasons, then we can trust that they will do what is best for Farscape in the future.

[Perfect_Tommy]

Holy crap. I know it's not our choice, but you still have an opinion right? That's what I'm trying to get to here. What's your opinion on the subject.

This post is not about any of the following:
What's wrong with this poll
What people might think about us
What power we do or do not have in decision making
Pizza
Anything real in the world
fuzzy little kittens

Thank you.

[DentArthurDent]

what about puppies?

NO! NOT THE PUPPY!

c'mon everyone lighten up!

AFD
' oh, yeah. Perfect Tommy, I need your coat...'

[jayelsee]

Pizza Yummmmmmmmm, pizza. What kind?

Hey, this is just purely speculative, just for fun. Perfect_Tommy is only asking your opinion, in case you were offered the choice. We all know that a mini-series and a movie are only rumors at this point, just an unrealized reality. Sigh.

So let’s not go out of our minds, it’s just a poll, no need to go into meltdown over it. None of us in here have planned any really different destinations. The last thing any of us want is to cause self-inflicted wounds that result in fractures in this community. We all want the same thing, relativity speaking--MORE seasons of Farscape. That common goal is how this family ties together--this diverse, creative, quixotic, mental-as-anything community of mothers, fathers, daughters, suns and lovers. Any response we’ve seen in here is just a human reaction, because we all care so much. The ugly truth is that promises for another season were broken by skiffy, so while we’re waiting for the day to come when we can say, “Thank God it’s Farscape Friday, again”, it’s just fun to speculate about what would happen if there was a plan B, a movie or a mini-series. No need to be like a dog with two bones, either, why not both? Let’s just remember, we all want the same thing, and there are infinite possibilities.

I know there are times when we hit bottom, and feel like we’ve fallen into a constellation of doubt. I know we’ve all searched for that hidden memory to explain why the best show ever created was cancelled prematurely. Sometimes, we just have to accept that what happened was just bad timing, and remind one another to wait for the wheel to turn around again. I know it will, so don’t lose your nerve, keep on doing what you’re doing. Donate, sacrifice, write letters, recruit new fans, keep telling skiffy we won’t get fooled again, and say a little prayer for the resurrection of our show. Dream a little dream that one day soon, Brian, DK, Rockne, Ben et al will tell us they’ve got a secret! Picture, if you will, the press release from Henson telling us about their not-so-simple plan that got our show back! I truly believe that someday, they will work that old black magic and tell us we’re going back to the future, again.

Well, I’ve written much more than I intended when I started this--I’m losing time I should be spending doing something else. Just want to say how much I enjoy your company, and thanks for sharing!

[trubador]

Originally posted by Perfect_Tommy
This post is not about any of the following:
....
fuzzy little kittens

:rollin: :rollin: :rollin: No, that would be the "Cat Vomit" thread. :rollin: :rollin: :rollin:

[fiona-maria]

Perfect_Tommy, there is an option missing ---- Both.

If I had to choose, that is a tough one. Movie.

Fiona, thinking about FarScape on the BIG screen....Ben Browder 12 feet high.*sigh*

[kymom5613]

I'll take either, myself, and thanks for asking P_T... glad to know SOMEONE wants my opinion! LOL
BTW...can I click both??? heeheehee

[waltersgirl]

Holy crap. I know it's not our choice, but you still have an opinion right? That's what I'm trying to get to here. What's your opinion on the subject.

my opinion is that it's up to TPTB. any Farscape they can give me works for me, in whatever form, format, or length. i trust Brian and DK, Ben and Froon, Lily and David implicitly.

[Judith]

Originally posted by waltersgirl
my opinion is that it's up to TPTB. any Farscape they can give me works for me, in whatever form, format, or length. i trust Brian and DK, Ben and Froon, Lily and David implicitly.

Yeah...I admit that at first I was apprehensive, because I really do want to see Farscape come back in season format. But I've been thinking...The Farscape production crew has never let us down before. (Even if everyone else has). So I think, whatever they come up with will Just be awesome.

:kitty:

[witchdoctor]

Originally posted by Perfect_Tommy
Holy crap. I know it's not our choice, but you still have an opinion right? That's what I'm trying to get to here. What's your opinion on the subject.

This post is not about any of the following:
,,,Pizza,,,


Thank you.

Hey, don't sell Pizza short. There are a lot of pressing unaswered pizza questions out there. What kind of pizza would they get in the uncharted territories? Delivery or DiGiorno? How do you deliver to a fugitive leviathan on the lam? Is it really the delivery guy, or a peacekeeper retrieval team? If they tried to make thier own, can you make a pizza crust from crackers? What do you use for toppings and would it have to be something Noranti chewed up then spit back out? Kind of makes cut up food cube toppings seem benign in comparison.

:hork: then :brush:

Seriously though, I voted for movie, but I could see advantages to a mini-series too. The thing that is attractvie about a movie is the potential for deleted/extra scenes and behind the scenes documentaries on the DVD. A mini-series would be longer though. If it were a Taken length mini-series, then that would essentially be another series in itself! But I think Henson and crew will do the best with what ever format they have to work with. What ever form Farscape comes in, I just want it to do well. Partly as an "I told you so" to SciFi and also so that the chances are all the better for another season of Farscape. Even if all the loose ends were tied up in a movie or mini-series (not likely given the scope of Farscape, but for the sake of argument), if it were successful and there were interest in a Farscape series, I'm sure they could come up in new story arcs for a series. As for the subject of a Farscape movie, continuation where 4th season left off vs from the beginning vs mid season 2 & 3, I would prefer to take over from where season 4 left off and find out what happened to all the characters (There, no spoilers in that!), but if some other story were told, I would still be glad to have it and have faith that it would be well done and entertaining. It would be Farscape after all!

[jayelsee]

Hey, guys, do me a favor. Go back and read my post from a few days ago, the one that starts "Yummmmmmmm, pizza". Did any of you notice anything, uh, "different" about it (other than you, Fionna-Maria---I saw your comment in that other thread).

I was just curious why no one commented. Sigh. Maybe it just wasn't worthy (poor little me, I spent an hour or so composing it!)....... :rollin: :rollin: :rollin: :rollin:

Ok, I'll let you get back on topic now.

[Perfect_Tommy]

I noticed, I was just too bust being pissy to comment ;)

[Judith]

Originally posted by witchdoctor
? If they tried to make thier own, can you make a pizza crust from crackers?

Yes, but only thin crust.

:kitty:

[vegwedge]

Originally posted by Perfect_Tommy
Holy crap. I know it's not our choice, but you still have an opinion right? That's what I'm trying to get to here. What's your opinion on the subject.

This post is not about any of the following:
What's wrong with this poll
What people might think about us
What power we do or do not have in decision making
Pizza
Anything real in the world
fuzzy little kittens

Thank you.

HAHAHAHAHAHAH

I'm reading this and cracking up every time you try to make people understand. But I admire your persistence. I would have put my fist through my monitor pretty quick.

For the record I voted for neither. I don't see how a movie or a mini-series could help Farscape. They could bring the show some attention but since they would likely be aimed at an audience that knows little to nothing about Farscape we would lose the thread of the original story arc. Which wouldn't necessarily be bad. The writers of this show are definately top-notch, but I have my heart set on a continuation of the story which I have a few years invested in.

vegwedge

[B Sharp]

Originally posted by Xothas
Your poll is lacking an option: either.

I trust Henson and TPTB reponsible for Farscape. I will do whatever I can to support either option, or unmentioned options, for that matter. Sure, I want season 5, but any new project can be a gateway for such. For now, I'll just go back to work - it's not over by a longshot!

:aok: agree 100%.

[divinedaydreams]

I voted for the movie for one big reason. Tickets are easier to count and are more accurate than possible viewers. The ratings system sucks so I'll spend my hard earned money on 7.75 movie tickets and drag my family and friends with me. Sci fi does well in theaters and word of mouth goes well. After all how many times have you asked someone if this or that movie was any good? Or had someone come and tell you that you have to see this new movie or don't waste your money on that one?

[divinedaydreams]

Not that the writers would make a bad anything with this baby. So it would be mostly good word of mouth. Thought I should clarify.

[jayelsee]

I noticed, I was just too bust being pissy to comment Awwwwww...... I wondered why we hadn't heard from you latetly!

Hey, you got some lively discussion started. Mission accomplished! ;) :)

My opinion hasn't changed, though. I think a big-screen movie would be great, TPTB would do a fantastic job that would satisfy both current and prospective fans, and the resulting pr would result in season 5 etc.

[vegwedge]

Originally posted by jayelsee
Hey, guys, do me a favor. Go back and read my post from a few days ago, the one that starts "Yummmmmmmm, pizza". Did any of you notice anything, uh, "different" about it (other than you, Fionna-Maria---I saw your comment in that other thread).

I was just curious why no one commented. Sigh. Maybe it just wasn't worthy (poor little me, I spent an hour or so composing it!)....... :rollin: :rollin: :rollin: :rollin:

Ok, I'll let you get back on topic now.

what's the title and date of your post, I looked back a couple of pages and couldn't find any post started by you or named mmmmmm, pizza. Maybe I'm blind.

vegwedge

[Zantar]

A movie ithink would be the worst thing. I can almost gaurantee that a bunch of investors would have to get involved that would ruin farscape completely. Mini series is the best idea.

[divinedaydreams]

I'm not so sure about that after all I have heard of tons of projects pulled because those with the money and the artists can't agree. I don't think the guys would allow a hack job to be done.

[jayelsee]

couldn't find any post Here--I''ll just post it again. If you like it, go check out this thread:
http://www.watchfarscape.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=238099#post238099

I thought it was funny that I posted this here, before I saw the title challenge in the other thread. Okay, that's it, no more OT from me after this.

"Hey, this is just purely speculative, just for fun. Perfect_Tommy is only asking your opinion, in case you were offered the choice. We all know that a mini-series and a movie are only rumors at this point, just an unrealized reality. Sigh.

So let’s not go out of our minds, it’s just a poll, no need to go into meltdown over it. None of us in here have planned any really different destinations. The last thing any of us want is to cause self-inflicted wounds that result in fractures in this community. We all want the same thing, relativity speaking--MORE seasons of Farscape. That common goal is how this family ties together--this diverse, creative, quixotic, mental-as-anything community of mothers, fathers, daughters, suns and lovers. Any response we’ve seen in here is just a human reaction, because we all care so much. The ugly truth is that promises for another season were broken by skiffy, so while we’re waiting for the day to come when we can say, “Thank God it’s Farscape Friday, again”, it’s just fun to speculate about what would happen if there was a plan B, a movie or a mini-series. No need to be like a dog with two bones, either, why not both? Let’s just remember, we all want the same thing, and there are infinite possibilities.

I know there are times when we hit bottom, and feel like we’ve fallen into a constellation of doubt. I know we’ve all searched for that hidden memory to explain why the best show ever created was cancelled prematurely. Sometimes, we just have to accept that what happened was just bad timing, and remind one another to wait for the wheel to turn around again. I know it will, so don’t lose your nerve, keep on doing what you’re doing. Donate, sacrifice, write letters, recruit new fans, keep telling skiffy we won’t get fooled again, and say a little prayer for the resurrection of our show. Dream a little dream that one day soon, Brian, DK, Rockne, Ben et al will tell us they’ve got a secret! Picture, if you will, the press release from Henson telling us about their not-so-simple plan that got our show back! I truly believe that someday, they will work that old black magic and tell us we’re going back to the future, again.

Well, I’ve written much more than I intended when I started this--I’m losing time I should be spending doing something else. Just want to say how much I enjoy your company, and thanks for sharing!"

[RydraWong]

Just found this quote from an interview with Ben Browder (http://bboard.scifi.com/bboard/browse.cgi/1/5/984/2096) (way back in March):

He said he doesn't know how or when "Farscape" will return. He would like it to return as a theatrical movie with a big budget.

"I would love to see what the creative team could do with more time and money," he said.

I think that's an interesting advantage that a movie (or miniseries, for that matter) would have over the series - they'd likely have far more time to write and shoot it in.

I love Farscape-the-series as much as anyone, but we've all heard about the incredibly intense work schedules and how exhausting it was for everyone - so, for me, it would be interesting to see what they could do with more breathing room.

And given that Farscape's consistently produced movie-quality work on a TV budget, imagine what they might do with a movie budget ... :bowdown:

[Perfect_Tommy]

Originally posted by Zantar
A movie ithink would be the worst thing. I can almost gaurantee that a bunch of investors would have to get involved that would ruin farscape completely. Mini series is the best idea.

There are a lot of companies and such out there that require the story to suit them in exchange for money, but this Brian Henson we're talking about. It's not like a no name production, so I'm sure he can/has found funding where they get the freedom over their production. One good thing too.... no cheesy product placement, which goes into the whole pizza disussion. See how it all comes full circle. :D

[jayelsee]

no cheesy product placement, which goes into the whole pizza disussion. See how it all comes full circle. :rollin: :rollin: :rollin: :rollin: :rollin: :rollin: :rollin: :rollin:

Pizza! Yuuuummmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

[PauNthWorlds]

I am confident that whatever form Farscape returns, Movie, Mini-series, or another season, it will be a success.

Whoes to say that we could not have all three. A big movie to get interest, a mini-series to educate new watchers, then a full season to finally hook them completely!!!

[Jude]

Originally posted by PauNthWorlds
I am confident that whatever form Farscape returns, Movie, Mini-series, or another season, it will be a success.

Whoes to say that we could not have all three. A big movie to get interest, a mini-series to educate new watchers, then a full season to finally hook them completely!!!

That would totally rock! Especially seeing as the first episode my friend saw was Bad Timing...

[cleverfox]

Like the X-Files -- a full-length feature film could neither alienate die-hard fans, while bringing the series to a whole other level. Give this show the wide and far-ranging audience it deserves. A mini-series wouldn't, I believe, bring us a Season 5. A film might just rejuvenate the whole thing to the next level where everyone of the money-holders stands up and takes notice of a brilliant idea worth throwing their money at...

just my 2 sense.

[Boron]

Originally posted by Jude
That would totally rock! Especially seeing as the first episode my friend saw was Bad Timing...


You mean the FIRST ep the guy saw was BT?? Jeez, you have to get all the seasons and addict him properly.


:confused: :cool: :D

[Jude]

Originally posted by Boron
You mean the FIRST ep the guy saw was BT?? Jeez, you have to get all the seasons and addict him properly.

Its a Her :D! I'm a female Jude (short for Judith)...
As for addicting her, I am doing a pretty good job. She has seen all of season 1 and up to Out of Their Minds on Season 2... she hasn't seen any more as I haven't got the DVD's yet :D !

[Boron]

Originally posted by Jude
Its a Her :D! I'm a female Jude (short for Judith)...
As for addicting her, I am doing a pretty good job. She has seen all of season 1 and up to Out of Their Minds on Season 2... she hasn't seen any more as I haven't got the DVD's yet :D !

Sorry, Jude, didn't know you were female of the species. It sounds like you are addicting your friend properly. I would hate to think that BT was her only FS experience. When she becomes totally addicted, have her watch BT again, and see how mad she gets. (I got furious, and thats when I joined this board).


:smokin: :D :cool:

[Jude]

Originally posted by Boron
Sorry, Jude, didn't know you were female of the species. It sounds like you are addicting your friend properly. I would hate to think that BT was her only FS experience.

Its okay, most people think I'm a guy, but rest assured I am the female of my species!
As for addicting my friend its all she ever talks about now and when she comes round and I ask what she wants to do she's like "Watch Farscape" and I have addicted my mother too :D