Get up on your HIGH HORSE!

[zap]

I've notice something. A lot of us 'scapers like to go for rides on our HIGH HORSES. I include myself of course. In fact, a few years ago I named my HIGH HORSE "Chestnut", and I call him Chesty for short. AHhhhhh, the thrill it gives me to ride my little stallion of self righteousness, spewing opinions like there's no tomorrow, I tell ya, it's a kick. The thing is, as mighty as my HIGH HORSE is, there are other's with even mightier HIGH HORSES on this humble little board, and gosh darn it, I think it's about time we let ourselves run wild! And I'm just the dyke to start the dirty snowball rollin.:smokin:

Do you have the one and only correct opinion about anything? For instance, do you think the use of unborn pumpkin fetuses (also known as seeds) in hor d'ourvres should be banned? Well then, step right up on your little (or big) soap box and tell us all why(or why not)! Do you think your immortal soul was saved by the great googlymoogly thru its immaculate fritolay, and everyone else is going to hell because this was a one time only thing that only happened to you because you were the only one there at the time? Do you think smoking banana peels leads to harder things, but is ok as long as the banana's themselves were consumed in a homemade split? This is the place for you to ride that HIGH HORSE and let us alllll know how fantastically correct your opinion is, and how all the rest of us with different opinions are full of dren.:grr:

By this point, you may be wondering one of only two things. #1 is this a joke? How the frell should I know? I'm currently channelling this from Alpha Centauri:kitty: ......OR #2 how long till this thread gets LOCKED, the topic BANNED, and ol zapgun thrown out on her can? I dont know that either, but I support Red, in whatever Red see's fit to do.

OK, I'm opening this can of worms, so I'm making the rules.
RULE # 1 Get yer emma in here and post your well thought out, 100% correct and true OPINION (even if its a written in stone fact), tell it like it is, dont hold anything back ( I suggest ignoring other things that have been placed offlimits elsewhere, but, Red may get angry with me on that. So what? Im on my HIGH HORSE here......love ya Red{PM me if you really are getting pissed off with me here}) (I'm not naming anynames, but I DO expect one, shall I say "toothy guy" and one "gun toting pig avatar" to get in here with some hot HOT hot opinions.....er....I mean FACTS!;) I love yall, you know who you are)
RULE # 2 NO FLAMING! You dont agree with some dumbass thing said by some dumbass poster? Well, state your opinion on the subject, be proud about it, but leave them alone. They are proud of their own pretty pony......er...I mean HIGH HORSE, so just leave 'em be.

What the frell is my point with this? Well, to quote John Chriton...."I dunno" I suppose I want to live in a whirled where we all let our HIGH HORSES go, run free in the meadow called "non-judgemental stance", a candyland place where we all respect each other's differences, and dont try to bludgeon each other to death when we do disagree. Am I a dreamer? You bet, but frell it, it's worth a try.

Wanna know what I'm on my HIGH HORSE about right now? Well, thats too bad, because I'm tired, and I'm gonna go take a lil nap. See ya later:ewink:

[NebariNookiee]

Are you on your HIGH HORSE -- or are you just HIGH???:D -Snoogins

[Frellster]

I call my HIGH HORSE Peggy, 'cause its so high its a friggin Pegasus. Yup.


and I believe unequivocobly that pencils should be wooden. I hate mechanical pencils. Theres no varity to the line, and ya can't shade.

[grinner]

Now... it all depends on what you are using your pencil for? When I was drafting... I prefered the mechanical ones BECAUSE of the fact that you could have a line that didn't vary in thinkness. But when I used to draw... I prefered wood pencils. So it depends on what you are using it for.

btw... am I the toothy guy?

[akimbo]

Drat. I thought this was the thread I was supposed to ignore. :ewink:

[zap]

Originally posted by grinner

btw... am I the toothy guy? ...........if the shoe fits:D ......

[NYPinTA]

I am 100% certain I should have been born rich. :rollin:<-- that should be me rolling in dough. :D

[Judith]

I believe that if they are gonna censor stuff on TV anyway, then the word "diarrhea" should not be allowed in commericials, such as the "where will you be when your diarrhea comes back" commercials. And also, they shouldn't be able to show foot fungus on TV.

[Judith]

And I also STRONGLY believe that the only proper way to make a turkey sub is to use white bread and to only include the following ingredients: turkey, lettuce, mayonnaise, and mustard. If have to put on anything else, like cheese or dressing, you just don't get the wonder that is a turkey sub. You are overcomplicating a beautiful thing.

[grinner]

huh? NO CHEESE ON A SUB? What are you frelling NUTS... of course there should be CHEESE on a turkey sub... something light though... like a swiss or a provalone.

[Judith]

Originally posted by grinner
huh? NO CHEESE ON A SUB? What are you frelling NUTS... of course there should be CHEESE on a turkey sub... something light though... like a swiss or a provalone.

No...that would detract from the turkey and would upset the delicate balance of flavors!

:moon:

[BlackThorn]

I'll hop on the diarrhea and foot fungus bandwagon. Those plus diaper commercials should be banned from dinnertime. Ah yes, you're about to dish up a delicious meal and they shove diarrhea, foot fungus, and diapers in your face. Yum.

Add to that . . . yeast infections and overactive bladders.

[Judith]

Originally posted by BlackThorn
I'll hop on the diarrhea and foot fungus bandwagon. Those plus diaper commercials should be banned from dinnertime. Ah yes, you're about to dish up a delicious meal and they shove diarrhea, foot fungus, and diapers in your face. Yum.

Add to that . . . yeast infections and overactive bladders.

And the stupid toilet paper commercial with the bears that wipe themselves right on TV!

[Harveylives]

Columbus was not that bad of a guy.

[stellar]

My high horse's name is Jack Daniels, because it's when I'm riding JD that my opinions avail themselves of my inner monologue.

TV and Movie explosions in space should not make a sound. JMS said that his justification for explosions in space was that it was the sound of the air inside the vessel in which the sound propagated. This is wrong. I am right. Sound cannot propagate in space... stop pretending that it does. *pour*, *gulp*, yeeha! :)

- Stellar

I would also add to the diarhea commercials that if the person does have diarhea in the commercial... don't make them even mildly attractive. Like when the commercial with the guy and the girl dancing in the record store... and I was like "she's not that bad" and then she gets diarhea and I get to have those nightmares for a week.:aok:

[zap]

Judith, toothy guy, please ride your high horses up to RULE # 2, no flaming. Judith is perfectly, wonderfully justified in her opinion that Turkey subs do NOT need cheese. Toothy is absolutly correct that turkey subs DO need cheese. As for me, I'll just have the honey bourbon chicken with grilled onions, grilled peppers, extra raw onions, sauce, lettuce, and the delightful rosemary parmesan bread......yummmmmmmmmm

[stellar]

This is wrong. I don't know about sub-making, but I can tell you that a turkey sandwich is cheeseless. That's just the way it is... at least in the U.S., there maybe some heathen population in a hunter-gatherer stage of development that puts cheese on a turkey sandwich, but I am unaware of them.

Oh yes... Catsup (Ketchup) should always be refrigerated. Room temperature Catsup (Ketchup) is for pagans.

[grinner]

Originally posted by zapgun
Judith, toothy guy, please ride your high horses up to RULE # 2, no flaming. there was no flamming... I was on my HIGH HORSE when I wrote "what are you FRELLING NUTS". completely legal with regards to your rules... as it is MY OPINION... :P:P:P:P:P

[MrFlibble]

I feel it is my DUTY to inform all of you that ALL meat-based sandwiches MUST have cheese in them. This is not an issue for debate, just a "written in stone fact" of the universe!

[zap]

Well MrFlibble, I lived for a brief time in a Kosher, lesbian seperatist household. Part of the deal with living there was I had to either eat vegetarian, or kosher. Im not vegetarian OR Jewish, but I really wanted to live in this particular house. Long story short, I had a set of knives, and they had to be kosherized. The leader of this household asked me to choose which knives would be "meat" (to be used with meat) and which "milk", and never the two should meet. You with me so far? Kosher apparently means ya can't have say........a tuna melt. Anyway, I made a pnut butter and jelly sandwich with a "meat" knife, and poured myself a big glass of milk. The head honcho (honcha?) then told me I could not eat those together (meat + milk = hell) in the house so I had to go outside to enjoy my meal. All of that brings me to this MrFlibble, if pnut butter is considered "meat"........wopuld you slap on a slice of muenster? Or sharp cheddar?


On an entirely different note. Yall please feel free to express your honest opinions about things that REALLY matter to you. I love the joking around, but I do intend for this to be a more serious thread, eventually.

OK, gotta get watching the second disc of LotR, FotR. Take care, and good night kittens

[grinner]

yes... I would eat cheese with peanut butter... in point of fact... I already do.
Cheddar and Peanut Butter go VERY WELL together.

[Judith]

yah, i felt that grinner's and my discussion was all in good fun. he yelled at me, and i, very maturely, mooned him. nothing about the interaction bothered me even if he is a turkey sub PHILISTINE!

[grinner]

I am NOT a PHILISTENE... Now if you would have said that I was being a germanic barbarian... then it would have a true point of reference to my heritage... :P:P

[Judith]

Originally posted by grinner
I am NOT a PHILISTENE... Now if you would have said that I was being a germanic barbarian... then it would have a true point of reference to my heritage... :P:P

Would that make you a Visigoth? Damn Visigoths! No spiders or Visigoths!

[grinner]

No... I don't think that any of my ancestors invaded Rome... they settled more along the area that is now The Netherlands.

[Frellster]

Peanut butter isn't considered meat, except that you sliced it with the "meat" knife. Anything touched by anything that touched meat is considered meat.

[grinner]

I thought it was because it was the 'meat' of the nut. It is protein... or that was what a jewish friend of mine told me.

[BlackThorn]

So, if you made a cheese sandwich with mayo, would you have to use two different knives? Mayo is made with eggs, which is considered meat, yes? Would you even be able to eat it at all under Kosher rules?

Don't ask me why I asked this. I don't even know why I asked it. Maybe my horse got hungry.

[trubador]

:charge: :charge: :charge: :charge: :charge: :charge: :charge: :charge: :charge:



(... is that high enough for you?... ) :P

[Frellster]

You could not eat a cheese & mayo sandwhich. Mayo is alright (its eggs & oil), just not with dairy - though most jews prefer mustard.

However; I have never lived in a seperatist lesbian kosher houshold. I've been in kosher housholds, but I can't be bothered myself. I don't even know what a lesbian separatist is, but it sounds scary, like maybe theres no men around.

[zap]

Good morning. Im on Chestnut right now, because I frelling HATE getting up at 5AM! UGH! 5AM is STUPID! My job sucks and my boss is a b**** and she is STUPID! My paycheck is STUPID! GGGgggrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!! The only thing that keeps me going right NOW is the fact that in 19 DAYS I'll be with my sweetheart in EUROPE!!!!!! WOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! I've never been to Europe. I'm sure EUROPE is NOT STUPID, my experience of it wont be anyway, because I WONT BE GETTING UP AT STUPID 5AM!!!!!!!!!!!

Frellster, lesbian seperatist does indeed mean "no men around". They actually ran me out on a rail because I kept my male friends and I listened to Led Zeppelin and Grateful Dead in the house. While I thought that was a bit extreme, I've met even more extreme, and I respect that that is what some womyn need in order to feel safe. Now hopefully some man will read that line there, and ask themselves what they can do to make the world safer for ALL womyn, children and other men. I'm NOT against men (some of my best mates are male) I'm against the arrogance so many men use instead of a thoughtful attitude.

Have a great day punkin heads

[VBKatLou]

I don't consider peanut butter meat, but I do like peanut butter and strawberry jam (not too much) on toast topped with slices of bacon. BTW - there's no way I would live in a house where I was told what I could eat. I'll eat whatever the hell I want. And a turkey sandwich without swiss cheese is just sacrilegious. And I only eat turkey meat that came right off the carcass. That rolled/pressed stuff that you can get at the store could be made up of anything.

I went to Europe last month. It was wonderful! What countries are you going to?

I also think hot roasted pumpkin seeds make a nice appetizer, but only if you're camping. And once they get cold, they taste like crap. It's like chewing sunflower seeds with nothing good inside.

Enough for now, I'm sure I'll have more later. :rollin:

[Judith]

Originally posted by VBKatLou
I don't consider peanut butter meat, but I do like peanut butter and strawberry jam (not too much) on toast topped with slices of bacon. BTW - there's no way I would live in a house where I was told what I could eat.

Yeah, really. Were you paying rent?

[Digger]

I feel it is my DUTY to inform all of you that ALL meat-based sandwiches MUST have cheese in them. This is not an issue for debate, just a "written in stone fact" of the universe!
Unless, of course, you happen to be Lactose Intollerant (for those who don't know, that means people who are unable to digest dairy products). And while I'm at it, why do so many restaurants assume that people want cheese with everything. I am sick of being asked "and what kind of cheese would you like" every time I order a hamburger, or any kind of meat-based sandwich, or an omlette at breakfast time. Cheese MUST be an OPTION, not a requirement!

[Judith]

Originally posted by Digger
Unless, of course, you happen to be Lactose Intollerant (for those who don't know, that means people who are unable to digest dairy products). And while I'm at it, why do so many restaurants assume that people want cheese with everything. I am sick of being asked "and what kind of cheese would you like" every time I order a hamburger, or any kind of meat-based sandwich, or an omlette at breakfast time. Cheese MUST be an OPTION, not a requirement!

NO. Cheese is part of an omlette. without chese, an omlette is just scrambled eggs.

[Digger]

If people can order an omlette with no yokes I can order an omlette with no cheese.

[VBKatLou]

My God - you people are soooo picky. Just eat what is put in front of you and be glad you have it. :rollin: At least that's what mom always said.

yes... I would eat cheese with peanut butter... in point of fact... I already do.
Cheddar and Peanut Butter go VERY WELL together.
I like peanut butter on cheese crackers.

Yeah, really. Were you paying rent?

When I lived at home, if you didn't want what mom was making for dinner, you had to make it (and clean it up) yourself. When I lived with roommates, we usually all bought our own food. Of course there would always be that one person(s) who snurched other people's stuff and then deny it. This would occasionally cause huge arguments.

I've lived alone for quite sometime. I love it! In fact, if I ever do get married, I would definately want separate homes. It would just eliminate so much arguing. Is that wierd? :rollin:

[kechara420]

You'll laugh, but my uncle and his wife *do* live in separate houses. She has four cats that she loves and won't give up, but my uncle is EXTREMELY allergic. So, they each have their own house. They've been married for three or four years, and it's like they're still on their honeymoon. They could be on to something ...

[zap]

Zapgun and Chesty here again. So I got off work early today (I've got a plan) and I've been watching Farscape, which is "wooooo hooooooo", right? Well, I find myself getting angry. Why the frell did this show get cancelled?!?!?!?! I mean, LOOK at the makeup! LOOK at the costumes!!! LOOK at the sets!!! LOOK at the actors!!!! The STORIES are great! ITS AMAZING! YET THEY CANCELLED IT?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? Oh for krishna's sake, GIVE ME A FRELLING BREAK!!!!!!!!!!!! GGGGgrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

On another unrelated note. Im mainly going to be staying in London, and Stafford my first weekend there, and my sweetheart is taking me to Barcelona for a long weekend.

As far as the house I lived in, yes I did pay rent, and yes, I knew what the deal was before I moved in. Was it worth it? Both in the short term, and the long term, yes it was.

Thats all for now, see ya later tweetiebirds

[scorpy808]

Ok ... boy, my HIGH HORSE could really run rampant in here ... but I guess what this here range is for eh? Let these horsies run wild and free ... so without further delay ...

I think that fast food = TOXIC WASTE. Ask anyone who knows me ... I sing along to the McD's commercial going, "Get your toxic waste, get your toxic waste, everybody c'mon!". Actually, come to think of it, a LOT of food today is toxic waste.... preservatives ... FD&C everything! Breakfast cereal should not start out one color, then change when milk is added. Ketchup should not be green either - and it's not even a a green tomato type of green, it's like incredible hulk green or something. You know what bright colors mean in nature? DANGER! Propylene Glycol is a toxic chemical, what is it doing in some pancake mixes?? For that matter, what's it doing in deodorant and shampoo and all that? It's either companies don't give a flying frell what goes into foods/products because it cuts cost somewhere down the line or it's some grand scheme of planned obsolesce for humanity - or population control. People are addicted to toxic waste.

ALso, I am sick, sick, sick of perscription drug ads! It never used to be like this ... I remember a time when I wasn't confronted 10 times a day to "ask my doctor if ________ is right for you". I've noticed an eerie trend where commercials and print ads don't even tell you what the frell the drug is supposed to do, but you're supposed to ask about it. It's like a Gap ad or something "Everyone in Perscription Drugs". I mean, if you're not on Xanax or Zoloft or Paxil or whatever the "drug that signifies you are hip and 'now' and with it" you're just not part of society.

[VBKatLou]

I no longer get angry about the cancellation. I've read numerous articles about the TV industry in the past year, and while I'm certainly no expert, I've worked for a mid-size company for a long time and I know that sometimes stupid things happen. In fact, after reading about the background and poor financial history of (especially) Vivendi and EM-TV , I'm surprise there was a season four.

On the other hand, I still believe that this can be turned around. I've watched my own company make really bad decisions that everybody (at the worker level) knew was wrong. Sometimes it took years to recover or turn things back around. It's not just a matter of setting things right, it's a matter of setting things right without embarassing TPTB. Because that's the most important thing (to them). I think that NBC's new ownership could be a real ray of hope for Farscape. Perhaps some new management will be introduced to the network. People who had nothing to do with the cancellation. Therefore, they could bring it back without having to admit to making a mistake. Or maybe they could consider putting it on one of their other networks such as Bravo.

That's why it's so important that the fans work at keeping the name 'Farscape' out there in the public eye. In whatever way, shape or form.

Whew - horsie's getting tired so I'm getting off now. :)

zapgun - I was in London for a week. It's a great city, but really big and very crowded. I also went to Amsterdam for a week. Now that's my kind of town. I would love to find some kind of work that we allow me to stay over there for a couple of months.

[stellar]

The word "synergy" and all variants of that word should be stricken from the English lexicon. Furthermore, those who use the word, in any context, should be flogged publicly. And those who use it more than once a day should be executed.

Gitty-up.

[talyn3]

Ticketmaster (ticketbastard) is a monoply that should be broken up, so they will stop charging ungodly amounts of surcharges. LET ME GO TO SHOWS YOU CHEAP BASTARDS, sorry

For Indiana people-
Verison Wireless Music Center, was, still is and will forever be Deercreek Music Center . That name should never be changed.

- how can someone not love a CHEESEburger!

[Judith]

Originally posted by Digger
If people can order an omlette with no yokes I can order an omlette with no cheese.

You could, but you'd be eating scrambled eggs.

:moon:

[stellar]

They aren't scrambed eggs unless they're in the form of scrambled eggs. If it looks like an omlette, it's an omlette. I prefer a plain-egg omlette to scrambled eggs because it's more straight forward to eat that way... less chaotic and more presentable.

[fermicat]

I haven't named my HIGH HORSE yet, so I guess he is a "Horse With No Name." But now that I'm on it, I'd like to say that I strongly disapprove of airlines that offer only "beverage service" on their cross-country flights that last 5-6 hours. And I can't think of any of them that don't do this these days. Oh sure.... they'll feed the lucky few in first class, but if you are sitting anywhere in coach and did not pack a meal or manage to scrounge some food at the airport then you are SOL. I wonder if their managers have ever tried taking a flight that leaves from a non-hub airport where they have gates in crappy locations too far from any available food-for-purchase and you wouldn't have time to get any food anyway because the dang line to check in with their two available agents took you 40 minutes to get through and you still have to wait in the security line to get into their gate area with no food or restrooms, and then try to "enjoy" your long flight with no food. Nah, I doubt any of their management have ever tried that. I wouldn't care if the airlines charge extra for the food (as some are doing) as long as there was some food readily available.

As you may have guessed, I experienced this over the weekend during a business trip. Thank goodness I had brought along a box of crackers and some water, because that was all the food I had for the over 8 hours it took to get to the airport, check-in, get through security, and take the flight. [I had planned on buying a meal in the airport and taking it with me, but there was no food anywhere near this airline's gate or check-in areas, which really stinks since they only serve two destinations from Boston and both involve very long flights.]

[scorpy808]

oohh Stellar ... I agree with you on that one and I've got one more: impactful.

Also, "Frell" should be added if you ask me!

[fermicat]

Originally posted by stellar
The word "synergy" and all variants of that word should be stricken from the English lexicon. Furthermore, those who use the word, in any context, should be flogged publicly. And those who use it more than once a day should be executed.


I don't like the trend I see in the workplace of people turning nouns into verbs. Example: "task" being corrupted into "tasked" as in "I tasked him with that job last week." Friggin manager-speak. Awful.

[MrFlibble]

After reading the comment about lactose-intolerant people, I promptly took that high horse out back and shot it.

Now I have a fresh horse...

All stadium names that contain corporate references should be forced to revert to their real names. It's just too much to bear. I want Tampa Stadium, Three Rivers Stadium, Candlestick Park, and all the rest back. :charge:

Oh yeah, next time you take a "beverage" flight, bring some cheese along for a snack. :aok:

[grinner]

I think 3 rivers went boom as did Candlestick

[MrFlibble]

They still could have saved the name!

[grinner]

why? They are new stadiums.

[Digger]

All stadium names that contain corporate references should be forced to revert to their real names. It's just too much to bear. I want Tampa Stadium, Three Rivers Stadium, Candlestick Park, and all the rest back.
I gotta agree with you on that one MrFlibble. How many Enron Fields do we need before we realize that some things are better left alone.

[JadedLegend3]

Hi! Thought I'd add my little rant here. I have not yet named my High Horse, but it will probably be something abstract like, "Arrogance!" LOL
Anyway, today I have one thing I would like to throw out there: 1- All mint chocolate chip ice cream should be GREEN!!! There should be no white mint chocolate chip ice cream! I don't care if it's better for me, less preservatives, whatever!!! Spare me the crap! There are a hundred other things that are killing us slowly, so could you at least make the goddamned mint ice cream GREEN???

Jacqui :love:

[fermicat]

Originally posted by MrFlibble
Oh yeah, next time you take a "beverage" flight, bring some cheese along for a snack. :aok:
I sure coulda used some cheese last Saturday with those Ritz crackers and water....

Maybe airlines should hand out cheese with (or instead of) those teeny tiny bags of snack mix.

[talyn3]

I don't have a high horse, I ride a stoned llama.

rude ignorrant stupid people should be hit
repeatidly (unless they're handicapped)

The world has no use for those assholes.

[zap]

Well, this is nice. Chesty loves running with all these other stallions and fillies! I dont really feel like riding Chesty right now, I just wanted to drop in, and commend all of you for riding your high horses with such pride. Makes me all misty eyed.....oh wait, that's just some henna in my eye, no worries. Carry on cream puffs!

[stellar]

All foreign policy should be set by me.

[Selena]

Originally posted by zapgun
... (I'm not naming anynames, but I DO expect one, shall I say "toothy guy" and one "gun toting pig avatar" to get in here with some hot HOT hot opinions.....er....I mean FACTS!;) I love yall, you know who you are)...
You woudn't be referring to moi? Would you now??? Don't make me send Ms. Piggy over there to deal with you!

[Selena]

Here's a hot opinion and fact!
If I don't get my shed roof on this week-end, it won't get done all winter. :(

[Judith]

Originally posted by talyn3
I don't have a high horse, I ride a stoned llama.

rude ignorrant stupid people should be hit
repeatidly (unless they're handicapped)

The world has no use for those assholes.

Dude, handicapped people shouldn't get to be rude just cause they're handicapped.

[Judith]

And by the way, my horse is named Stewball.

Which is also what I would name a tapeworm if I ever got one (I've thought this out).

[talyn3]

Originally posted by Judith_Shakespeare
Dude, handicapped people shouldn't get to be rude just cause they're handicapped.


I mean if they can't help it. Like Turet's(sp?) Syndrome. Not some dick who used a chainsaw in an unsafe manner and made themself handicapped, who now feels the world owes him or something. They don't count.



Cops should be nice too. They don't need to be dicks either.

[stellar]

What about private investigators? Can they be dicks?

[Selena]

Sure they can, but can they be chicks?
:think:

[zap]

Originally posted by Judith_Shakespeare
And by the way, my horse is named Stewball.

Which is also what I would name a tapeworm if I ever got one (I've thought this out).

.......................a tapeworm?:hork:

[fermicat]

I say yes, but a "private chick" may be referring to an older occupation....

[stellar]

How old of an occupation? How about a Neandertal lady of the evening? That's pretty old.

[Selena]

I once belonged to a quilt guild and we called ourselves The Ladies of the Night as we met on a Wednesday evening. That was definitely a fun group!:lech:

[stellar]

ooooh, saucy!

[Judith]

Originally posted by zapgun
.......................a tapeworm?:hork:

Yes, a tapeworm. If I had a tapeworm, I would never be lonely.

[zap]

"If I had a tapeworm / I'd never be lonely
if I had a tapeworm / I'd never be blue
I'd never be sad, I'd never be angry
a taaaapewoooorm, for my brothers and my sisters
allllll over this laaaand"----sung to the tune of "If I had a hammer"

night night munchkins:smokin:

[LadyCrais]

There is never, for any reason, under any circumstances justification for swearing at, screaming at, and calling stupid a small child. And even less so in public while shopping during that "joyful" time of year called Christmas.

[Pip_The_Great]

Tourists leave their brains at home.

[scorpy808]

I haven't decided on a name for my horse yet ...

For all those synergistic office workers (or those that have to work with them), I had a whole post over at Kansas called "Bad Buzz" you'll probably find both sickening and amusing ...
http://forums.scaperoute.com/kansas/index.php?board=20;action=display;threadid=10390


Office "worker bees" really get to me. I know some people are kind of forced into those jobs (it's money, right?) but I swear you'd have to pay me a hell of a lot of money to deal with:

1) the communte
2) the clothing (gag)
3) the other people you work with
4) upper management
5) office politics

Talk about slow death ... I used to live right in L.A. and I would watch these people get in their uncomfortable monkey suits everyday and fly off (well, if you call moving 5mph in total gridlock "flying") down the freeway to their overcrowded high rise office buildings. Then I would see them all when they got back from the office and they all had that "life sucked out" of them look on their faces. No wonder so many of those people just snap one day.

I am so sick of companies who haven't figured out that the route to more productivity is to actually treat your employees like human beings.

[quendi]

First of all, zapgun, thanks for outing yourself. I had thought that I was the only gay one on this board.

Second, if you can't frellin' parallel park the frellin' 16 foot SUV, then don't frellin' drive it!!!

[stellar]

That's awesome. "Strategic Alliance" stuck out for me. This isn't Babylon5 people, and it isn't Survivor. I'd add the word "impetus" to the torturous lexicon of the damned.

[zap]

Originally posted by quendi
First of all, zapgun, thanks for outing yourself. I had thought that I was the only gay one on this board.


Well thank YOU quendi! I actually "came out" on this board way back when I first got here, then came out again a few months ago when the fury over "gay schools" erupted. Heck quendi, I always thought Farscape was pretty darn "gay", what with all the interspecies coupling going on ;) . Im sure you and I are not the only queers on this weirdo board quendi, but at least we are out about it :aok: .

I'm going to go ahead and climb up on Chestnut now, and talk about something very serious, and very important to me. Basic Human Rights. A lot of heterosexual people choose to keep a narrow mind, and think that homosexuals are demanding "special rights". I dont want special rights. I want equal protection under the law. By that I mean, I want the security of knowing I CAN NOT be fired JUST BECAUSE I'm homosexual. To be perfectly, crystal clear, in the state of North Carolina, where I live, (and most other states in America) I can IN FACT be fired just because Im homosexual. Is that fair? Am I asking for a special right when I ask for protection against that type of discrimination?

Now, I have a loving partner, and we are committed to one another, and to say it very simplistically, we are in a sexually monogamous relationship with one another. Having said that, we both agree we have no reason right now to "get married". However, as the law stands right now, either of our families could prevent one of us from seeing the other if either of us became incapacitated. In other words, even with the meager legal "protection" available to us now, if I was severly ill and in the hospital, my family could keep snoop from me, could make decisions regarding my health care without consulting with her, and if I passed away, they could choose to not even inform her of this. Is that fair? Am I asking for a special right when I ask for protection against that type of discrimination?

When snoop and I become elderly, I hope we are able to move into one of the (very few) homosexual retirement communities. Otherwise, we have no hope of being together, as 99% of non-homosexual rest homes do not allow same sex partners to move in together. What is the point of that? I ask again, IS THAT FAIR?

Neither snoop nor I have children, and right now neither of us want children. However, I would like to have the option to legally adopt sometime in the future. I'm a lesbian, not a pedophile. There is a difference between homosexual, heterosexual, and pedophilia. My grandfather was "heterosexual", he married my grandmother and fathered two children. That was just a "cover" though. His true orientation is pedophile, he is sexually attracted to CHILDREN, regardless of the gender of the child. Most pedophiles are technically "heterosexual", and ALL pedophiles are opportunistic scum-bags that prey on whatever children are available to them. In other words, well, I dont really want to mention the very specific examples, Im sure whomever reads this can understand this line of reasoning.

I dont want "special rights", I want to have the right to work in my chosen profession without fear that if I say "my partner" will get me fired. I want to have the right to share my benefits with my partner just like my straight friends share them with their spouses. I want to be able to rent a nice place with my partner, not be denied housing because Im homosexual. There is nothing "special" about this, except that one segment of this society enjoys these rights, and a much smaller segment is not only denied these rights, but is actively vilified for pursuing these rights.

To be honest, this is the reason I started this thread. The discussion about gay schools has stuck with me all this time, and I really wanted to explain that the homosexual "agenda" is merely designed to gain our basic human rights, not to take anything from heterosexuals, not to get anything over on anyone. I realize many people have strong opinions (based on their religion) opposing anything to do with homosexuality. That's fine, I'm not religious, I for one don't care so much about ordaining homosexual church leaders. There are really only a couple things I dare say about the religious aspect. Jesus spent a lot of energy talking about love, and no energy talking about the special place in hell homosexuals are going. The old testament has less than a dozen rules against homosexuality, and more than 250 rules in regards to heterosexuality. As I said, Im not religious, but it seems to me that if Jesus is number one, and He didnt give a hoot about whether or not someone is gay, why in the world would any christian worry about that?

OK, Im climbing back down from Chesty now. If I've said anything that offends anyone, or if anyone would like to discuss this furthur, I will happily reply to any PM I receive. Take care yall :)

[B Sharp]

edited to add: .Eternal gratitude to zapgun and Chesty for starting this thread!

OK, on my own high horse, which has a name, but you can't pronounce it, and it's not a symbol like the artist formally known as Prince's name, and no, I'm not going to share. So there.

I believe that everyone should be allowed to do any damn thing they want, unless it's clear that the action was clearly something that was going to cause harm / did cause harm to another. And don't get me started on the criminal justice "system"... The everyone in my statement includes:

- people who want to show bears rubbing their rears, icky foot fungus, saying the word diarrhea, doing stupid malicious tricks on others they 'care' about, performing 'make-overs' that show graphic shots of plastic surgery and flabby bellies, and other stuff like that. If you don't like it, turn it off. It's that little button that says "power" on your remote. Or just turn you head, that thing on the top of your body that's attached to your neck.

- rude, loud, obnoxious people of any persuasion.

- handicapped people that want to vent because they're totally PO'd about their life in general, who have to put up with the aforementioned rude people who stare, gawk, and generally make their lives miserable, not to mention that the world is not set up for access, and even worse: the people that offer 'pity' in a sickly, condescending way.

- anyone who outs someone, comes out on their own, and anyone who disapproves of anyone coming out, and anyone who is Republican (oops, did I say that? I meant to say gay!).

- anyone who wants to complain about anyone in these categories.

- cats, dogs, and other sentient animals that are really sick and tired of being treated like they are not sentient.

- anyone else that I can't think of right now because my horse is MUCH taller than all of yours, and I'm looking down on all of your puny little heads.

Wow, the air is getting a little thin, so I think I'll get down from here for a while.

[stellar]

Why do homosexuals have to justify their statements by qualifying it with "but I'm in a monogomous relationship"? Or why does society demand this of them? Those religious zealots who see homosexuality as evil (and dancing, and drinking, and being upity (sp) as evil) aren't going to rethink their positions just because they're not promiscuous... because they cannot rationalize.

I know, or used to know before I got married, a lot of players and a lot of party-girls. I would say the ratio of monogomous jackasses to non-monogomous jackasses was about one-to-one.

I'm fairly liberal. So I say do what to who as long as you don't bother me.

Marriage? Sure... but most churches aren't going to recognize it, but why would you want recognition from a body that considers you an abomination?

Military? Hell yeah... God knows I'm not going to do it.

Adoption/Surragacy? More power to you... Just don't bring them to movie theaters.

The only pet-peeve I have with the gay community is the claim that homosexuality is genetic, because it goes against my understanding of evolution, which passing on genes conducive to survival (gays don't pass on genes, especially if they're on sale).

And I climb from JD.:charge:

- Stellar
Don't hate the player, hate the game.

[Judith]

Originally posted by stellar
Why do homosexuals have to justify their statements by qualifying it with "but I'm in a monogomous relationship"? Or why does society demand this of them? Those religious zealots who see homosexuality as evil (and dancing, and drinking, and being upity (sp) as evil) aren't going to rethink their positions just because they're not promiscuous... because they cannot rationalize.


I don't know...maybe it's because the zealots can pollute the minds of other people, who maybe have never (or who think they haven't) met anyone who's gay, and because of that, might believe the pigeonholes that people try and shove the gay community into.

I'll tell you one thing: I'm bi, and I'm sick of having to qualify that I'm monogamous. First of all, most people think I'm straight because I'm dating a boy. And when I tell people I'm bi, they think, "cool...threesomes". Which isn't me. Is not something either me or my boyfriend are interested in.

And I'm sick of the fact that because I dated only women before I dated my boyfriend, people think my boyfriend converted me. I still think women are HOT. I think men are hot. But I met the person who's "it" for me.

And I'm sick of the wierd looks from gay community on campus when I walk around holding my boyfriend's hand. A lot of the gay community is strongly biased against bi people. I'm not "sitting on the fence". This is who I am.

That's not to say that all the people in the gay community on campus treat me different now, or that all straight people think that because I'm bi, I'll sleep around. There are some wonderfully open minded people out there. And I do think they should get kudos for that, because, while in a perfect world everyone would be openminded, I do understand that as a society we like the catagorize. And that sometimes it IS hard to be openminded. So, again. kudos to the people who are. Kudos to the people to whom friendship is more important than preconceptions.

As for the genetic factor, I honestly don't know the answer. All I can say is both of my sisters have had periods where they were attracted to women, although I would qualify both of them as primarily heterosexual. Also, cousins on the same side of the family have been known to be attracted to the same sex. No one in my family is comepletely gay (again, that I know of). But there are a whole bunch of people in my family who aren't completely straight.

And I do believe that sexuality is a spectrum...not the three easy catagories "bi" "straight" and "gay" that are most often used. And I use them too. It's the easiest way to say things sometimes. And that topic is truely a whole other can of worms, and I'll get into it later.

[Judith]

Originally posted by B Sharp





- anyone who outs someone, comes out on their own, and anyone who disapproves of anyone coming out, and anyone who is Republican (oops, did I say that? I meant to say gay!).



Okay, I gotta say, I disagree with that. I don't believe you should ever "out" somebody else, in any capacity. Whether it's gay, straight, or other issues, people have to deal with their own comfort levels, and I think that's something they should be able to take their time and deal with. No one should be outed until they're damn ready to be out.

[stellar]

Originally posted by Judith_Shakespeare
And I do believe that sexuality is a spectrum...not the three easy catagories "bi" "straight" and "gay" that are most often used.

That reminds me of The Rainbow by Ween, the first verse goes something like this:

Many colors in the homo rainbow
Don't be afraid to let your colors shine
Many colors in the homo rainbow
Show me yours. I'm gonna show you mine

Ween has an answer for everything.:aok:

[B Sharp]

Originally posted by Judith_Shakespeare
Okay, I gotta say, I disagree with that. I don't believe you should ever "out" somebody else, in any capacity. Whether it's gay, straight, or other issues, people have to deal with their own comfort levels, and I think that's something they should be able to take their time and deal with. No one should be outed until they're damn ready to be out.

Now that I'm back down to earth, I agree- outing someone other than yourself should be classified as behavior that harms others. I'll also admit to confusion about paparazzi (yeah, I know I probably didn't spell that word correctly- you know, the people that follow celebs to take pictures) and whether I agree with the policy of making public figures 'fair game' regarding privacy.

and then there's privacy (or should I say our current illusions about the level and nature of privacy), which is another entire topic for a rant when I work up the courage to get back on my hh again...

[Judith]

Originally posted by B Sharp


and then there's privacy (or should I say our current illusions about the level and nature of privacy), which is another entire topic for a rant when I work up the courage to get back on my hh again...

I hope you do, cause that sounds interesting to me.

:kitty:

[B Sharp]

here's a preview- I'm not bold enough at this point to offer a lot of my opinion yet, as I'm ambivalent in a couple of areas...

privacy is a basic human concern for a lot of people in our culture, and there are currently a set of large scale changes occurring in how corporate entities (large and small) collect and use personal data that is outpacing the change in our cultural norms relating to this topic. Most people outside of some specific businesses remain (IMO) unaware of these changes, and it would likely cause them significant concern if they did know the depth and breadth of these changes.

We all know that data collected through a variety of seemingly innocuous methods is sometimes used in order to make decisions on how to focus corporation activities. These efforts up until recently have been hampered by both the sheer magnitude of the job of correlating and 'making sense' of the data (e.g. turning it into useful information), but that's not going to last long. The major barriers to effective use are being overcome rapidly.

The information collected is wide-ranging and in many cases is also very personal, and the use (although not intentionally malicious on the part of most corporate entities) is usually not in the interests of the individual. Corporate entities owe no specific allegiance to individuals - their purpose is continued existence and growth. Corporate entities are interested in privacy as it relates to that goal, not the other way around (oops, I guess that was an opinion, wasn't it?)

I'll stop there and just say: Privacy, everyone....it's an illusion. You don't have any. The larger question for a rant is what the h@ll to think about all that....

[Alexxia]

Is religion an off-limits topic?

[stellar]

Originally posted by Alexxia
Is religion an off-limits topic?

Apparently, nothing is. Enjoy it while it lasts.

[Alexxia]

Originally posted by stellar
Apparently, nothing is. Enjoy it while it lasts.

Whoo-hoo! Okay, I apologize in advance if this has already been touched on before. I can't really remember if I've looked through the whole thread:

I can't stand religious discrimination! Not only can I not stand it, I can't even understand it! It bothers me when I see one religion bashing another religion (e.g. Christians vs. Muslims). I went to a church service with a friend, and the pastor/preacher/reverend gave a sermon that had something to do with Jesus and the company he kept. The pastor used the phrase "dregs of society" to label whom Jesus could be seen hanging out with, and he said that those kinds of people in today's society would be the drug dealers, and prostitutes, and Muslims. This last word he spoke with such viciousness that I was tempted to get up right then and walk out, I was so disgusted. What makes his religion so much more right than Muslims?

Another thing about it: Have any of you noticed the way Atheists and Agnostics are treated? Especially by Christians? I'm an agnostic (in case someone doesn't know, that means that I don't believe in any form of a god, but I don't dispute the existence of one), and when a Christian friend of mine found out, she started to try to convert me by preaching to me and reading to me from the Bible. She even got me a Bible for Christmas. I can tolerate the preaching, and all that, but what I couldn't stand is when she started ignoring me when she realized that I just couldn't change my mind about it (I wasn't being stubborn, I just have a very rational view on it, and I truly want to find a reason to believe). The thing that hurt the most, though, was that she stopped ignoring me only to call me immoral.

I live by moral standards set down by my parents and by my school, and by the countries that I've lived in. I've also got my own personal values and morals. I'm an agnostic, not an anarchist. Give me a break!

Well, that went on longer than I expected it to. I guess my horse carried me a little too far. I will dismount now and put the horse back in the barn.

*Edited to correct one teensy-tiny little grammatical error.

[talyn3]

Originally posted by Alexxia
I can't stand religious discrimination!


Who can stand discrimination of any sort?

If you are pro-discrimination you should be hit, repeatidly.

[stellar]

What about those who discriminate against those who discriminate? Are you truly open-minded if you don't listen to close-minded people? Does my butt look big in these pants?

- Stellar

[zap]

Stellar..........I hate to tell ya......but yeah, your ass looks rather LARGE in those trousers.......

[quendi]

grinner and I actually discussed the pros and cons of gay marriage several months ago. I pretty much echoed all the zapgun said in an earlier post. So I won't repeat any of it. I'm all for it, whether I exercise that right or not is another question.

On the genetically gay topic, I feel that I am genetically gay. I don't feel that I inherited this trait as there are just 2 gay people in my family. However, I believe that I was naturally selected not to breed. There are too many people on the planet as it is, so it's only natural that some are chosen to be "inert". That's just my personal belief and not one that I enforce.

[grinner]

I refrain from discussing that topic

[B Sharp]

Originally posted by Alexxia
...I went to a church service with a friend, and the pastor/preacher/reverend gave a sermon that had something to do with Jesus and the company he kept. The pastor used the phrase "dregs of society" to label whom Jesus could be seen hanging out with, and he said that those kinds of people in today's society would be the drug dealers, and prostitutes, and Muslims. This last word he spoke with such viciousness that I was tempted to get up right then and walk out, I was so disgusted. What makes his religion so much more right than Muslims?

Another thing about it: Have any of you noticed the way Atheists and Agnostics are treated? Give me a break!

Well, that went on longer than I expected it to. I guess my horse carried me a little too far. I will dismount now and put the horse back in the barn.


I think that religion is used by people as an excuse for the greatest ills in the world. I also think that religion is the basis for many of the best things that go on in the world. Doesn't make the ideas in the religion bad if one idiot misuses it. He or she is entitled to stupidity, ignorance, bias, etc.... but......

As far as the pastor goes, I would have used the same method I recommended for those offended by the foot fungus ad (hmmm, an interesting parallel, isn't it?): turn it off. The only reason I can think of to hang around (with my ears turned off, btw) would be to kindly offer feedback (when shaking the pastor's hand on the way out)- like maybe: I wonder what Christ would say if he heard your statement today regarding Muslims?" and then walk on by.

Of course, that's just my opinion.

[stellar]

Originally posted by grinner
I refrain from discussing that topic

Which topic, the gay thing or my wardrobe?

[grinner]

the one that quendi referenced

[BlackThorn]

Originally posted by Judith_Shakespeare
I'll tell you one thing: I'm bi, and I'm sick of having to qualify that I'm monogamous. First of all, most people think I'm straight because I'm dating a boy. And when I tell people I'm bi, they think, "cool...threesomes". Which isn't me. Is not something either me or my boyfriend are interested in.

And I'm sick of the fact that because I dated only women before I dated my boyfriend, people think my boyfriend converted me. I still think women are HOT. I think men are hot. But I met the person who's "it" for me.

And I'm sick of the wierd looks from gay community on campus when I walk around holding my boyfriend's hand. A lot of the gay community is strongly biased against bi people. I'm not "sitting on the fence". This is who I am.

Ditto.

[stellar]

Originally posted by Alexxia
Another thing about it: Have any of you noticed the way Atheists and Agnostics are treated? Especially by Christians?

JD is feeling quite empty this evening, so I'll be riding Chivas.

I have noticed this; however, the opposite is also true. Atheists often see religious people, especially Christians (although I expect this is because Christianity is considered the norm in this country) as less enlightened than they are. The thought that Christians believe in the invisible man in the sky seems primative to the enlightened mind of the hardened Athiest.

Still, the two groups have more in common than they think. Both have faith that they are right and the other wrong, in fact they are ultimately betting on it.

Me, I know that I am more than the blood pumping in my veins, because I can empathize, which is not advantageuos on an evolutionary basis. As for everything else... I'm keeping the faith; which faith is my business.

I'll go as far this... as Abe Lincoln (Republican from Kentucky) once said when questioned about his religion: When I do something good, I feel good. When I do something bad, I feel bad. And that is my religion.

- Stellar

Whoah boy!... Wooooah:charge:

[B Sharp]

Originally posted by stellar
... I know that I am more than the blood pumping in my veins, because I can empathize, which is not advantageuos on an evolutionary basis.

Not sure I follow that one- please rant on for a bit more...
I only have a bottle of wine here, so you're racing on ahead with Chivas :)

[stellar]

Originally posted by B Sharp
Not sure I follow that one- please rant on for a bit more...
I only have a bottle of wine here, so you're racing on ahead with Chivas :)

Called, I saddle up again.

I think it was Socrates (or one of the other guys) who originally came up with an experiment to prove that humans had souls. He took a slave, who had no education, and told him to solve a simple geometrical problem (I think having to do with a triangle). The slave did so, correctly, and Socrates inferred from this that the demonstrated knowledge had been passed on to him from a previous life.

Of course this is crap. Reason is a human trait, and a trait of many animals, it is evolutionarily advantageuos. The better you can reason, the longer you'll survive to puberty and can pass on those reasoning skills to your progeny.

Emotion is also a human trait, and one shared by some animals. It is also an advantage to survival, it releases stress, it makes one more alert to evade predators.

Empathy is a human trait, no animal shares this with humans. Empathy is when you feel genuine emotion on behalf of another's experience. Doesn't even have to be a real person, can be on TV... say Farscape. It is distinguished from placing yourself in anothers position and reliving it through your own emotions. And therfore distinct from emotion. Empathy has no advantage on an evolutionary basis. It was not acquired, it simply is.

Empathy, I believe, is the most apparant trait of the human soul. Of course, I could be wrong... but I haven't been thus far.

Cheers!:aok:

[zap]

OK Stellar, I'm pretty sure I agree with you, but let me see if I can put it in my own words.

If a being has empathy for any other being, the first being may not be able to let the second die if it is starving, even if the second being dying would mean that the first being would have more food, therefore removing any evolutionary advanteage the first being may have had.

OK, I get ya, and I agree.

[Judith]

Originally posted by stellar


I have noticed this; however, the opposite is also true. Atheists often see religious people, especially Christians (although I expect this is because Christianity is considered the norm in this country) as less enlightened than they are. The thought that Christians believe in the invisible man in the sky seems primative to the enlightened mind of the hardened Athiest.



I've noticed this too...especially on a college campus, where there seem to be a lot of atheist or agnostic students. If you believe in God, then you must be dumb or gullible.

And I know that this is an attitude a lot of people hold, because I used to make fun of religion myself. And no, I'm not the only jerk on campus...I had plenty of company.

Took me dating a Catholic boy to really gain respect for (any) religion. My boyfriend is one of the smartest people I know, and he's certainly not gullible. Moreover, I really respect him. I don't think he would follow ANYTHING blindly. So I had to reexamine my views.

[BlackThorn]

People of one set of beliefs looking down on people of another set of beliefs is to be expected in many cases. For example: Christians believe there is one true God. Athiests believe there is no god. For the Christians' beliefs to be correct, the athiests must be wrong, and visa versa. And if someone has so much faith in something somone else believes is false, it's not suprising some disparaging remarks will fly.

[Judith]

Originally posted by BlackThorn
People of one set of beliefs looking down on people of another set of beliefs is to be expected in many cases. For example: Christians believe there is one true God. Athiests believe there is no god. For the Christians' beliefs to be correct, the athiests must be wrong, and visa versa. And if someone has so much faith in something somone else believes is false, it's not suprising some disparaging remarks will fly.

I guess it's easier for me, because now I believe that most of the major religions are on to something, but they each only see a facet of that something. I believe there's some higher power, but it's not anything any one of us can really grasp.

So, if you're Muslim, I can respect that. If you're Christian, hey, I can respect that too.

As for atheism, it's not something I believe, but it's something that I know many logical, rational people believe. So I think I can respect that too.

[auroraSun]

how bout agonistic, where you just don't care?

[Judith]

Originally posted by auroraSun
how bout agonistic, where you just don't care?

It seems to me that there are different types of agnostics...those who just don't care and those that don't know. I think those are different.

But I can respect both.

[stellar]

Originally posted by auroraSun
how bout agonistic, where you just don't care?

Well they just wave their hands in the air, like they just don't care.

[auroraSun]

Originally posted by stellar
Well they just wave their hands in the air, like they just don't care.

:rollin: :rollin: :rollin:

[fermicat]

Climbing up on The Horse With No Name....

About religion. I think that different religions are like languages. There are lots of different languages but they all came about to accomplish one big thing -- communication. There are so many different religions that have various doctrines and rules, but at heart they are all about the same basic things: man and his relationship to a higher power/divine entity, and they are about right and wrong. So I think it doesn't matter so much which one you choose to follow, and it always surprises and disappoints me when one religion denigrates another (even more so for the similar ones, like Catholics and Protestants giving each other grief). I also observe that some religions get highjacked by groups for other than good purposes. An example is the way extreme islamic fundamentalist interpretations that leave women powerless and oppressed. From what I have heard, that was never the intention of the original Islam, and seems to be a way a group of men who engage in interpreting the rules to their advantage have used to concentrate and hold power. These highjacked religions, along with some that were clearly made up for purposes other than trying to be good (i.e. Satanism), don't qualify as genuine in my book.

[stellar]

What about Farscape worship? JC... coincidence? I think not.

[quendi]

Originally posted by stellar
What about Farscape worship? JC... coincidence? I think not.

Exactly! And he teaches others how to love and has a group of disciples aboard Moya.

[Mrelia]

Originally posted by grinner
No... I don't think that any of my ancestors invaded Rome... they settled more along the area that is now The Netherlands.

Viking?

[Mrelia]

I believe that I should be allowed to shoot neighbors who keep moving my flowerpots!

Potato salad must have mustard.

Broccoli & cheese are one of God's gifts to us all.

I should recieve a foot massage once a day.

People should give me money.

People who habitually talk on their cellphones while driving should be dragged out of their car, stripped, painted green & have "IDIOT" tattooed on their forehead...whilst watching their precious phone get shot. If a call is that damn important, PULL OVER!

[BlackThorn]

Chocolate is the solution to all problems. Instead of moaning a groaning about it, just eat some frelling chocolate. It'll make you feel better. Trust me.

[Judith]

Originally posted by stellar
What about Farscape worship? JC... coincidence? I think not.

It's never a coincidence...he's supposed to be a Christ archetype.

Here's something cool (or creepy) I guess. A lot of times when storytellers use the Christ archetype, they make one character a blend of the virgin Mary and Mary Magdalene. And it's interesting with Aeryn being pregnant with a child of unknown parentage. And that she was of special parentage herself. I think this is all intentional.

[Judith]

Originally posted by Mrelia
Viking?

My ancestors were vikings. (Some of them...I'm quite mixed).

Note to self...pillage *THEN* burn.

[Judith]

Okay...I don't know if this is going to get me yelled at or not.

I firmly believe that only Americans can pull off saying "dude". Anyone else just sounds silly saying it.

(I actually decided this while I was watching a Farscape DVD commentary. Ben Browder and Claudia Black were doing it, and Claudia Black said "dude" about eight times. And as much as I love her...I think it sounds silly in an Australian accent.)

[Judith]

Originally posted by BlackThorn
Chocolate is the solution to all problems. Instead of moaning a groaning about it, just eat some frelling chocolate. It'll make you feel better. Trust me.

I've never understood the whole chocolate thing. I don't like it. It makes my mouth dry out. And everyone says that chocolate has hormones similiar to what we feel when we fall in love. I don't feel like that when I eat chocolate. I just feel thirsty.

Before I met and fell in love with my boyfriend, I used to worry (this was an actual, real, fear) that because I didn't like chocolate I might be incapable of love.

That said, my best friend's mom calls me a communist because I don't like chocolate. I don't really get that either.

I do like dark chocolate, but only in small amounts. And I like hot chocolate...especially with Bailey's in it.

[talyn3]

Riding proudly on Wilson the stoned llama (I really hope someone gets that besides me)


Gummi worms kick chocolate's ass any day of the week. Just ask Wilson, he's always got the munchies.

[BlackThorn]

*Pulls her high horse, Sparky, out of the barn*

Chocolate is superior to gummi worms in every way. Sparky lives off chocolate, and he thinks Judith must have been eating the wrong kind of chocolate.

*Kindly leads Sparky back into the barn*

[who45]

Originally posted by Judith_Shakespeare
I've never understood the whole chocolate thing. I don't like it. It makes my mouth dry out. And everyone says that chocolate has hormones similiar to what we feel when we fall in love. I don't feel like that when I eat chocolate. I just feel thirsty.

Before I met and fell in love with my boyfriend, I used to worry (this was an actual, real, fear) that because I didn't like chocolate I might be incapable of love.

That said, my best friend's mom calls me a communist because I don't like chocolate. I don't really get that either.

I do like dark chocolate, but only in small amounts. And I like hot chocolate...especially with Bailey's in it.

I like white chocolate, not that I wont eat milk chocolate. I try not to eat chocolate much because it has so much sugar. Got to agree with you though, it doesn't compare to how you feel when you first fall in love...of course that's been a while for me...:( Where's that chocolate:bawl:

[Judith]

Okay, here's something I KNOW that I am right about.

Artificial fruit flavoring (such as in candy) tastes MUCH better than real fruit.

[talyn3]

But real fruit is better in many other ways.

[Judith]

Originally posted by who45
I like white chocolate, not that I wont eat milk chocolate.

I LOVE white chocolate, but someone told me it's not real chocolate.

[who45]

Originally posted by talyn3
But real fruit is better in many other ways.

Have to agree with that.

[grinner]

Originally posted by Judith_Shakespeare
My ancestors were vikings. (Some of them...I'm quite mixed).

Note to self...pillage *THEN* burn. I thought the Rape part went first...

[Judith]

Originally posted by talyn3
But real fruit is better in many other ways.

Just in that it's good for you.

And that's not actually true. It's a conspiracy to keep us away from the skittles. The government wants all the skittles for them.

(This post probably won't be here tomorrow).

[who45]

Originally posted by Judith_Shakespeare
I LOVE white chocolate, but someone told me it's not real chocolate.

It's really not really chocolate. White chocolate does not contain cacao which is used in making regular chocolate. But who cares, it's good. Darn, now I've got a craving.

[Judith]

Originally posted by grinner
I thought the Rape part went first...

Yeah...I didn't know if I'd get in trouble if I put that. I'm still relatively new here.

[grinner]

Originally posted by Judith_Shakespeare
Yeah...I didn't know if I'd get in trouble if I put that. I'm still relatively new here. I still think it goes... Rape, Pillage, Plunder... and then sack the town.

[Judith]

Originally posted by grinner
I still think it goes... Rape, Pillage, Plunder... and then sack the town.

I agree.

[Judith]

Originally posted by BlackThorn
*Pulls her high horse, Sparky, out of the barn*

Chocolate is superior to gummi worms in every way. Sparky lives off chocolate, and he thinks Judith must have been eating the wrong kind of chocolate.

*Kindly leads Sparky back into the barn*

Giddyup Stewball!

No, no no. I've eaten all kinds of chocolate. My parents conveniently forget that I don't like chocolate and put it in my Easter basket every year. (Yes...I still get Easter baskets, on the condition that I make it up to Vegas to see them for Easter). And I usually eat some, but not very much, and then they get all the rest.

Skittles and starburst are the best candy. (I need starburst NOW!) Especially the starburst in the green wrapper because of the kiwi-strawberry and kiwi-banana flavors.

[Judith]

Oh yeah...

and vanilla can kick chocolate's ass any day!

[talyn3]

Originally posted by grinner
I still think it goes... Rape, Pillage, Plunder... and then sack the town.


Ravage, pillage, plunder, mame, and put big hickys on all the famed damsels!!!!!!
-Eric the Awful

[stellar]

Originally posted by Judith_Shakespeare
Skittles and starburst are the best candy. (I need starburst NOW!) Especially the starburst in the green wrapper because of the kiwi-strawberry and kiwi-banana flavors.

The correct answer is SweetTarts. Homemade Vanilla can destroy Chocolate any day of the week. Make my shake a Martin and Lewis, please.

Go Saints.

- Stellar

[BlackThorn]

*Charges Sparky out of the barn*

I firmly believe vanilla is for wusses. Chocolate's the real thing for any candy connoisseur.

I also firmly believe skittles are evil. It wouldn't surprise me if Bonnie loved skittles. :elol:

[Judith]

Originally posted by BlackThorn


I also firmly believe skittles are evil. It wouldn't surprise me if Bonnie loved skittles. :elol:

Skittles aren't evil! You are evil! And Bonnie likes YOU!

[fermicat]

Originally posted by Judith_Shakespeare
I've never understood the whole chocolate thing. I don't like it. It makes my mouth dry out. And everyone says that chocolate has hormones similiar to what we feel when we fall in love. I don't feel like that when I eat chocolate. I just feel thirsty.

In my experience, the quality of chocolate varies wildly, depending on the source. What you describe sounds like my reaction to cheap chocolate, or old chocolate of any initial quality. While I generally don't prefer milk chocolate (too much "otherness" diluting the chocolate), a good quality dark or semi-sweet is worth going to a lot of trouble to get. I especially like really good quality imported truffles. I also like dark chocolate paired with berries (dark chocolate fondue with fruit, anyone?).

Originally posted by Judith_Shakespeare
I do like dark chocolate, but only in small amounts. And I like hot chocolate...especially with Bailey's in it.

Mmmmmmmm, dark chocolate. Mmmmmmmm hot choc with Baileys. We have similar tastes! I also like hot chocolate with peppermint schnapps in it. It's my favorite wintertime warm-me-up-fast drink.

Now I wish I had some schnapps or Bailey's. Dang.

[fermicat]

Originally posted by Judith_Shakespeare
Oh yeah...

and vanilla can kick chocolate's ass any day!

I just like to smell vanilla. I don't really like to eat it all that much. But I add vanilla extract to all kinds of recipes that don't usually call for it: pancakes, banana bread, etc..

[Judith]

Originally posted by fermicat
I also like hot chocolate with peppermint schnapps in it. It's my favorite wintertime warm-me-up-fast drink.

Now I wish I had some schnapps or Bailey's. Dang.

I have GOT to try that. That sounds delicious.

I have some hot chocolate with french vanilla flavor in it...add some bailey's, and it's the best thing to drink on the balcony on a cold night.

I have 1 and 1/2 bottles of Bailey's...well....generic Bailey's, but it's still pretty good. My boyfriend was making irish tea for me last night, and putting the Bailey's in...it was sooooo good.

*sigh* Guess it's a little early for drinking.

[BlackThorn]

Originally posted by Judith_Shakespeare
Skittles aren't evil! You are evil! And Bonnie likes YOU!

Of course I'm evil! But I'm pretty sure Bonnie doesn't like me. After all, I did flood her with mail along with the rest of the crazy Scapers!


Mmmm, hot chocolate with peppermint schnapps. Good drink!

[Judith]

Originally posted by fermicat
I just like to smell vanilla. I don't really like to eat it all that much. But I add vanilla extract to all kinds of recipes that don't usually call for it: pancakes, banana bread, etc..

And that brings me to the next thing...the best scents are vanilla and sandalwood. I love to wear lotion with those scents. Never wear perfume. It smells too abrasive. Also, lotion is cheaper.

[Judith]

Originally posted by BlackThorn
Of course I'm evil! But I'm pretty sure Bonnie doesn't like me. After all, I did flood her with mail along with the rest of the crazy Scapers!



Yes, she likes you and she wants to marry you.

(my mature response to the insult of skittles).

:moon:

And...you have cooties.

[grinner]

pissing contests are fun... yeha..

[BlackThorn]

Gods, I hope not! *gags* The sheer amount of stupidity oozing from her mouth would be enough to kill the minister.

[Lord Loser]

Originally posted by BlackThorn
Mmmm, hot chocolate with peppermint schnapps. Good drink! This is also known as a "candy cane". Good conconction for outdoor, late fall, football games...

[Mrelia]

Originally posted by talyn3
Ravage, pillage, plunder, mame, and put big hickys on all the famed damsels!!!!!!
-Eric the Awful

"No Hamish, you rape the WOMEN and set fire to the HOUSES!"
+Cohen the Barbarian, Leader of the Silver Horde

[fermicat]

Originally posted by Lord Loser
This is also known as a "candy cane". Good conconction for outdoor, late fall, football games...

They call it a "Peppermint Patty" around here.

[fermicat]

I saw this article today and it made me think of some of last week's discussion. Thought others might be interested.


from Reuters: http://www.reuters.com/printerFriendlyPopup.jhtml?type=healthNews&storyID=3643891

Sexual Identity Hard-Wired by Genetics - Study
Mon October 20, 2003 12:11 AM ET

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Sexual identity is wired into the genes, which discounts the concept that homosexuality and transgender sexuality are a choice, California researchers reported on Monday.
"Our findings may help answer an important question -- why do we feel male or female?" Dr. Eric Vilain, a genetics professor at the University of California, Los Angeles School of Medicine, said in a statement. "Sexual identity is rooted in every person's biology before birth and springs from a variation in our individual genome."

His team has identified 54 genes in mice that may explain why male and female brains look and function differently.

Since the 1970s, scientists have believed that estrogen and testosterone were wholly responsible for sexually organizing the brain. Recent evidence, however, indicates that hormones cannot explain everything about the sexual differences between male and female brains.

Published in the latest edition of the journal Molecular Brain Research, the UCLA discovery may also offer physicians an improved tool for gender assignment of babies born with ambiguous genitalia.

Mild cases of malformed genitalia occur in 1 percent of all births -- about 3 million cases. More severe cases -- where doctors can't inform parents whether they had a boy or girl -- occur in one in 3,000 births.

"If physicians could predict the gender of newborns with ambiguous genitalia at birth, we would make less mistakes in gender assignment," Vilain said.

Using two genetic testing methods, the researchers compared the production of genes in male and female brains in embryonic mice -- long before the animals developed sex organs.

They found 54 genes produced in different amounts in male and female mouse brains, prior to hormonal influence. Eighteen of the genes were produced at higher levels in the male brains; 36 were produced at higher levels in the female brains.

"We discovered that the male and female brains differed in many measurable ways, including anatomy and function." Vilain said.

For example, the two hemispheres of the brain appeared more symmetrical in females than in males. According to Vilain, the symmetry may improve communication between both sides of the brain, leading to enhanced verbal expressiveness in females.

"This anatomical difference may explain why women can sometimes articulate their feelings more easily than men," he said.

The scientists plan to conduct further studies to determine the specific role for each of the 54 genes they identified.

"Our findings may explain why we feel male or female, regardless of our actual anatomy," said Vilain. "These discoveries lend credence to the idea that being transgender --- feeling that one has been born into the body of the wrong sex -- is a state of mind.

[Selena]

Okay, I've resisted getting on a soapbox until now :box: but I really feel I must sound off about internet junk mail.

This week-end I had to clear more than 300 pieces of junk mail from my in box. I detest this gross invasion of my privacy. I have not asked any of these predators to send me info on how to enlarge my private parts, blue pills, mortgage quotes, car insurance, prescriptions by mail and the dozens of sickos who want me to find out what Trixie did with her farm animals or her web cam.:boom:

I am sick to death of this continuing flood of trash that clutters my mail box. There is no way to filter it, as I have filters for dozens of words and the frellnicks just find ways to get around it. I've also got a spam bocker but it still gets through.

When will Congress enact laws to stop this filth and perversion from entering my home unsolicited? Some of the headers are so graphic that it makes me feel ill.

The worst thing about it all is that one can't even spam these morons back. Their addresses don't work. If Congress can't enact laws that stop the junk mail, then maybe they can enact a law that makes it compulsory for these leeches on society to have addresses that can be replied to, so they can get spammed back by the people they have violated with their trash. :pissed:

[fermicat]

There should be a special place in hell reserved for SPAMMERS.

[stellar]

I filter out anyone's e-mail address that I don't know. Spammers are the unholy filth of the universe.

[stellar]

Originally posted by fermicat
I saw this article today and it made me think of some of last week's discussion. Thought others might be interested.


from Reuters: http://www.reuters.com/printerFriendlyPopup.jhtml?type=healthNews&storyID=3643891

Sexual Identity Hard-Wired by Genetics - Study
Mon October 20, 2003 12:11 AM ET

I read this and it says nothing about a genetic basis for homosexuality, or bisexuality, but a genome-based form of sexual identity, i.e. male or female. I don't think this applies to homosexuality or bisexuality because a gay man is still a male, a gay woman still a woman, etc. Stereotypically, gay men are effiminate and gay women are masculine, but I don't think this comes from a genetic difference making one or the other more female or male.

I think that a gay man and a straight man have more in common than do a male and a female.

I don't think that homosexuality is a choice but I don't think it's genetic either, because of natural selection. If there were genetically homosexual people at one time in history... they would have no means to pass on those genes to future generations. Of course, my understainding of natural selection may very well be flawed.

[Judith]

Originally posted by Selena


When will Congress enact laws to stop this filth and perversion from entering my home unsolicited? Some of the headers are so graphic that it makes me feel ill.



I don't like spam either, but that might violate the first amendment.

[Judith]

Originally posted by stellar


I don't think that homosexuality is a choice but I don't think it's genetic either, because of natural selection. If there were genetically homosexual people at one time in history... they would have no means to pass on those genes to future generations. Of course, my understainding of natural selection may very well be flawed.

My friend was telling me about a study she read...I think involving monkeys, that showed that the animals were more likely to engage in homesexual behavior when their habitat became overpopulated.

Now, I haven't read the study myself, and I don't know enough about natural selection to know if that makes sense. But it seems like an interesting theory.

[stellar]

Yeah, but sexuality in humans is as much phsycological as physiological, or nearly so. I don't know that monkeys can duplicate human sexual behavior because all monkeys, while cute and cudley, are sexual deviants who think nothing of masterbating in front of you at the zoo.

I think homosexual behavior in human beings, while fundamentally physical on some level, is not wholly physical. It is nearly as phycological as heterosexuality (minus the procreation bit). While the damned dirty ape is just out for kicks and would probably nail an ant hill if given half a chance.

Monkeys should be reserved for medical experiments and radiation survival scenarios like in that movie I can't remember the name for.

[Judith]

Uh...I think monkeys do have some psychology actually.

And there is a difference between monkeys and that damn dirty ape you speak of. Monkeys have tails. Apes don't. And apes would probably have a higher level of psychology.

[stellar]

Monkey-lover!!!

[trinamick]

I happen to have a monkey who also rides my trusty steed Kitty (that way when I summon him I can say, "Here, Kitty, Kitty, Kitty"). Mogan David the monkey is cute, fuzzy & carries a pretty yellow banana in his right hand at all times. He is very offended by the monkey attacks going on and he doesn't know why monkeys have gotten such a bad rap. You're just jealous because you don't have a tail!

On a separate rant, all people who drive slow in the fast lane should have their licenses revoked and be forced to ride the bus indefinitely. Fast food ranks very high on my list of must-haves because it reigns supreme. If you want to eat those crappy sprouts, so be it. Leave me in peace with my chalupa so I can hear my arteries hardening!

[stellar]

How do you know I don't have a tail? Has your monkey reached puberty yet? Because that's when they snap. Have you checked it for any rare, commutable diseases?

[trinamick]

My monkey is just fine, thank you. He is no longer considered a danger to society, and he would just like to be given the same amount of respect that others get. He is not a promiscuous monkey and he always washes his hands after flinging poo at passersby. He has no diseases, that's just a stereotype he is forced to endure.

By the way, DO you have a tail? Hmm?

[zap]

Originally posted by stellar


I don't think that homosexuality is a choice but I don't think it's genetic either, because of natural selection. If there were genetically homosexual people at one time in history... they would have no means to pass on those genes to future generations. Of course, my understainding of natural selection may very well be flawed.

OK, here's the thing. Im homosexual (yall all know that by now, right?) and I'm a womon. As far as I know, Im still capable of procreating. I could either have sexy sex with a man and get myself knocked up, or I could have unsexy with a turkey baster full of viable semen and get myself knocked up. Either way, I CAN have children! Just because a person is homosexual there is NO reason for them NOT to have offspring. I dont because Im selfish and I dont want to pass on my superior genes :ewink:

By the way, I was at the beach for the weekend, and I'm so glad to see my little thread has continued ! Apparently it has filled a need! Bless you all you little monkeys!:D

[stellar]

Originally posted by zapgun
I could either have sexy sex with a man and get myself knocked up, or I could have unsexy with a turkey baster full of viable semen and get myself knocked up. Either way, I CAN have children! Just because a person is homosexual there is NO reason for them NOT to have offspring.

By the way, I was at the beach for the weekend, and I'm so glad to see my little thread has continued ! Apparently it has filled a need! Bless you all you little monkeys!:D

Turkey basters are a modern convinience and was not in the arsenal back in the day... back in the day of course goes way, way back. Of course, marriage being the considered norm, people got married because they were expected to: see Elton John. But even given that, gay men and women should be less populous now than they were in caveperson :) days.

This thread has filled a need. It's certainly not your mother's thread.:aok:

- Stellar

I hope one day that all of God's creatures can live in absolute harmony... except those filthy monkeys, they have to go.

[zap]

what about monkeys flying out of someones ass? I wanna see that.......maybe flying out of Bonnie's ass, when FS is made into a movie, and makes more $£$£$ than all the LOTR and Matrix put together................monkeys flying out of asses..............

[stellar]

I don't know about monkeys flying out of asses, but I once paid to see a donkey... well that's a tale for another thread.

[Judith]

Originally posted by stellar


This thread has filled a need. It's certainly not your mother's thread.:aok:

- Stellar



It's YOUR mother's thread.

...I think I might be 15 today.

:moon:

[stellar]

Originally posted by Judith_Shakespeare
It's YOUR mother's thread.

...I think I might be 15 today.

:moon:

I am rubber. You, well you are glue. Therefore, whatever you say bounces off of me... and sticks on you.:aok:

[Judith]

Originally posted by stellar
I don't know about monkeys flying out of asses, but I once paid to see a donkey... well that's a tale for another thread.


...no. Nevermind. I don't want to know.

[Judith]

Originally posted by stellar
I am rubber. You, well you are glue. Therefore, whatever you say bounces off of me... and sticks on you.:aok:

So does your mom!

:moon:

[zap]

..........how about donkeys flying out of mom's monkey brains........

[trinamick]

ROFL! Just wait until Stellar leaves a note in your locker! Come to me - my monkey & I will fix his wagon!

[Scarran Raptor]

my high horse is named Eematrumpet because if you don't like what I'm saying you can blow it out your butt

first of all, Animation is not strictly "for kids" and anyone who thinks otherwise should be forcibly "dipped" (you Roger Rabbit fans know what I'm talking about)

Secondly, the "geek" will forever be evolutionarily superior to the "jock" because...oh the frell with it WE JUST ARE and if you have to ask you'll never know why so enjoy extinction, I'll be over here propagating the species once your kind dies off!

third of all, HANG THE FRELL UP AND DRIVE! and as long as I'm on the topic, SUVs are not manly, they're driven by soccer moms who are about as un-manly as you can get without being a boy band


I don't care how much people love him, NEIL DIAMOND SUCKS!


I am not "too old for toys/videogames/comics/cartoons" I am biologically mature, however I refuse to let go of my youthful exuberance over things others deem trivial and as for the toy thing I've got signed Crais and Rygel figures that'll tell you different



any male who goes to see a romantic comedy with his significant other and said movie has no d*ck or fart jokes in it should be guaranteed sex

I don't care how much tail he scored in office, Clinton was still the better president

[trinamick]

Originally posted by Scarran Raptor


I don't care how much people love him, NEIL DIAMOND SUCKS!

:eek4: Gasp! Bite your tongue, infidel! While he might not have always been stylin' the best, Neil Diamond is the man!

Originally posted by Scarran Raptor


I am not "too old for toys/videogames/comics/cartoons" I am biologically mature, however I refuse to let go of my youthful exuberance over things others deem trivial and as for the toy thing I've got signed Crais and Rygel figures that'll tell you different

any male who goes to see a romantic comedy with his significant other and said movie has no d*ck or fart jokes in it should be guaranteed sex


ROFL! "I don't wanna grow up, I'm a Toys R Us kid..."

[VBKatLou]

Originally posted by Scarran Raptor

I don't care how much tail he scored in office, Clinton was still the better president

Ah.........a kindred soul. :) I knew I wasn't the only Democrat in this forum.

[stellar]

Originally posted by Scarran Raptor
I don't care how much people love him, NEIL DIAMOND SUCKS!


Dude... you had me at hello, but you lost me at Neil Diamond Sucks. He is the Jewish Elvis. And the Shiznit.

Plus, if you were a real geek you'd have some empirical evidence as to why geeks are better than jocks.

I don't think there is any doubt that Clinton was the better president. He was a player, still is I suppose. Get over it. Newt and Bob Livingston tried their darndest to get rid of him... and where are they now?

[fermicat]

Originally posted by VBKatLou
Ah.........a kindred soul. :) I knew I wasn't the only Democrat in this forum.
Not everyone here is a Fox News junkie. :rolleyes:

You aren't alone! I am an independent, but I vote for more democrats than republicans. Takes more time than voting a straight party ticket, but that isn't a bad thing.

[Judith]

Originally posted by VBKatLou
Ah.........a kindred soul. :) I knew I wasn't the only Democrat in this forum.

You aren't. I am, but centrist democrat, which makes me seem like a reupublican on a college campus.

[stellar]

Have you ever noticed that a lot of Pro-Life members are pro death penalty and a lot of Pro-Choice members are anti death penalty?

I myself am both Pro-Choice and Pro Death Penalty... so I have all of my bases covered.

Is this too much for the High Horse thread? If so I could talk about monkey euthenasia.

[Judith]

I am pro-choice politically, but morally I am against abortion. I guess if you really want to get into it with me you can PM me. I know we aren't supposed to be debating abortion.

I am STRONGLY against the death penalty.

But I don't think these are issues that you can necessarily lump into the same category.

[trinamick]

I'm having chest pains, and so is Mogan David the monkey! Such dreadful things you speak of! What's next, putting doll clothes on animals?! Say it ain't so, Joe!

[Selena]

:box: :director: :ehsign: All politics sucks! It causes divisions in society, creates animosity between brothers and sisters and to maintain the beast in a healthy state, costs each one of us a fortune.
Politicians in general are a boil on society's behind! :aok:

[Judith]

Originally posted by Selena
:box: :director: :ehsign: All politics sucks! It causes divisions in society, creates animosity between brothers and sisters and to maintain the beast in a healthy state, costs each one of us a fortune.
Politicians in general are a boil on society's behind! :aok:
So we should live in general anarchy?

[Selena]

We do now!

[Judith]

Originally posted by Selena
We do now!

Alright,

Selena, I would be interested in any evidence you could provide to back up your opinion that we live in a state of anarchy.

[stellar]

Originally posted by Judith_Shakespeare
I know we aren't supposed to be debating [You know what-ortion].

So what are your feelings about monkeys?

[Selena]

A few examples ....

Evil people do whatever they want for personal gain without regard to the consequences

The truth is relative

Crime is rampant with few repercussions

Lawyers make sure the innocent are punished and the guilty go free

Our e-mail is flooded with porn and filth

Society abounds with Human Relativism - there are no absolutes and everything is relative

We have laws but few people follow them diligently - DUI / speeding / theft / white collar crime / blue collar crime / drugs / deceit in every area of society

A person's word used to be as good as a contract now a signed witnessed contract is just a bunch of words on a page

We admire the ideas of freedom but are reluctant to grant those freedoms to all

The family unit is disintegrating

Marriage is no longer a sacred union between one man and one woman

Kids have more rights than their parents and people in authority

... there are heaps of others

[Judith]

Originally posted by stellar
So what are your feelings about monkeys?

I thought it was quite funny when they attacked the Tigers. It's the kind of thing that would only happen to them.

[Judith]

And...did you know a ten pound monkey is capable of taking down a full grown man.

It's the tail advantage.

How do you say "Koko want enslave your people" in sign language?

[stellar]

Originally posted by Judith_Shakespeare
So we should live in general anarchy?

I think that we should live as a lose confederation of islands of anarchy. Each island of anarchy can be strictly goverened so as to maintain civility and the illusion of freedom.

But seriously folks, democracy is the worst possible form of government... except for all the others. I think Churchhill said that... that can't be right England is a constitutional monarchy... now you want to talk about crazy forms of government? Constitutional Monarchies. For God's sake... pick one!

[stellar]

Originally posted by Judith_Shakespeare
How do you say "Koko want enslave your people" in sign language?

I NEVER trusted that damned gorilla... NEVER.

[Judith]

God save the Queen.