Enterprise 10/16- Possible Spoilers

[NYPinTA]

This isn't a review, but a question. I watched it last night and there was a part that has been bugging me....

Trip and Archer are on that "It's no moon, its a Space Station" Space Station, and Trip is trying to fix something and he accidently sets off one of the thrusters. So, the ship launches itself and starts spinning. Those two decide to fire at it to knock out the thruster and the thing comes crashing down.

Here is my question: Does that Space Station have gravity? I mean, if all it took to launch that thing was some compressed air, how strong could the gravity have been? Strong enough to pull it down?
Even when they got out of the pod in the first place, I kept thinking, "Are their boots magnetic? How are they not hopping around. Hell, our boys were hopping on our-- and correct me if I am wrong about this-- SOLID moon in the 60s. So how can a smaller-- HOLLOW-- moon sized station have enough gravity so that they didn't 'hop.' (How many times did I say hop? :D) What am I missing? :huh: :help:

[zap]

Ahhh, gravity. Ya know, Babylon5 seemed to be the only space based scifi show that dealt with the gravity issue honestly. Remember the earth based ships had that spinning part of their ships to create the gravity. However, every other space show just ignors gravity. Even Farscape(Im not gonna put in spoiler space, nor am I going to fully describe it, but anyone that saw the 4th season and remembers JC and ******** flying in JC's module to do that *thing* might remember the module getting a boo boo......anyway, why would, and HOW would, JC's module have gravity?????) So yeah NYP, I wondered the same thing, but only for a moment. Heck, later in the ep, the alien stalker guy made ALL power on Enterprise go away, yet no one floated in zero g. I think it's a combination of laziness and cost saving that lets the producers of these shows get away with that crap. I dont think the Enterprise should have artificial gravity at all, but they did not consult with me prior to putting it on the air.:grr:

[SeasonOfDeath]

When I first saw the shuttlepod on the surface of the sphere I thought that maybe the skids on it were magnetic, as well as the crew's boots. Archer and Trip weren't doing any impressions of Frankenstein doing a two-step in a mud puddle either, so that excluded the magnetic boots like those used in the ST Classic movies. We're also assuming the sphere is made of metal and not some other more abundant techno-babble-rific (TBR) material available to it's constructors. If it's hollow then I would think that material must have an unusually high mass. Or perhaps what ever machinery or device that's inside the sphere may be emitting a magnetic or other TBR field. Or it could be a combination of the two.

The effect of the drifting, tumbling pod looked adequate.
I was expecting it to keep tumbling away into space after the thruster was shot out. One of those cowboys should've grabbed on and rode that bronco until they could get in and regain control.
.. a risky maneuver, but what's the option? Remain stranded on the sphere while slowly suffocating to death awaiting a rescue team? Nope, nothing so risky. They opted for the equivilant of shooting out the tires.

The physics of the whole scene didn't look convincing enough to me. If the sphere did have enough gravity to hold down a shuttle pod, then that puny thruster shouldn't have been enough to repel it so far away and so easily, considering how fast it came back to the surface.

Ugh.. I'm thinking about this way too much. Score one for the writers.
:headbang:

[B Sharp]

Yep, gravity works weird in this universe, all right.

They're shooting at the navigational thruster, and they finally take it out. Then- rather than continuing to move in the direction it had been, the pod mysteriously not only bangs down hard on the surface, but it skids along towards them (conveniently stopping a few feet away for easy access, apparently) despite the inertia it already had in the opposite direction when they took it out. I'm assuming this since the pod was spinning, and they could only hit the thruster if it was pointing towards them, meaning it was pushing the pod away (as well as imparting additional spin from the moon, and away from where they were standing.

[shamecube]

Tale as old as time,
Crab legs on my head,
Hear my heavy sigh.
Have some pizza pie.

Snooty and the Beast

This episode contained some great, almost compelling moments. I found myself being whisked along only to be stopped by a lumbering line of dialogue or an incomprehensible plot twist. Vhsiv got his wish by having all sorts of technology problems, but they are things like balls getting stuck in walls or temporal Bugs Bunnies.

Gravometicsensorrelayoverloadalicious,
even the the sound of it is not very delicious,
if you say it loud enough it just might sound malicious,
Gravometicsensorrelayoverloadalicious.

The evil that is Kirkland's has wormed its way into the Delphic expanse. Also, Victoria's Secret must have dropped off supplies. These things didn't bother me as much as Hoshi traipsing through Beast's castle and smelling and touching things and getting her germs all over the place. And if I was alone on a planet with a man that had been raping my mind, I'd put a little more distance between him and my privates than a pair of panties. He made her pizza and a hamburger and she takes a bitch bite and then gets mad at him for reading her mind again. Instead of finding her own hidden powers, she throws a fit. He tells Hoshi that she is unique and she only cares that he can tell her that she was close to her grandfather.

Apparently, Archer and Co. think that they deserve help from every Tom, Dick and Harry that comes along. The fact is that the Xindi view Earth as a threat. Why? Because they go off half-cocked into regions of space they know nothing about and land on things that are not theirs and talk sh*t about the Xindi without knowing a whole lot about them. I, for one, do not believe in mindless evil. Evil has purpose and intention. The Xindi view Earth as a threat and rightly so.

What if the probe that destroyed seven million people was an accident? Maybe it was supposed to take scans and something got fused and turned the scan into a death ray. Even Archer can tell you that accidents happen.

This show is far more enjoyable if you root for the "bad" guys.

[vhsiv]

Ok, I was just going to delete this from my Tivo, but shamecube has now made it required viewing.

I fell asleep on Wednesday night, halfway through the episode, as it started out too slow, and the subsequent 'Hoshi and the Beast' comments made it sound tiresome. Technical failures! B&B are pushing the envelope. Now it's MUST SEE TV!

(Until my Ken Stott DVDs arrive, that is...)

[Jaxa Logan]

I've been a Trek fan for a long time and have been disappointed with ENT so far. I was excited with the concept and Bakula as Captain- loved him in Quantum Leap!
Is it just me or do these characters have no personalities? Well, except for T'Pol- but she seems more like a native of Risa than Vulcan. Where's Tuvok when you need him?
DS9 was the only series that HAD me from the beginning, but I warmed to TNG- one they got out of the conference room and actually did something. Voyager was hit and miss- until the finale, when they threw Chakotay and Seven together for apparently no reason(but I could rant about that for hours). I don't know if its the writers, the actors, or what, but there's no chemistry here, between anyone. I liked the whole Suliban/Temporal cold war concept, but where did that go? The Xindi are interesting, but the Enterprise crew seem lackluster, at best. Maybe, I will root for the bad guys...

[Third EYe]

One thing about DS9 was that something always happened. When up against the Dominion there was some action, that directly related to the Dominion. With Enterprise it seems they don't know how to make the story interesting. They go after the Xindi, but never really encounter anyone that is in support of the Xindi. By now there should have been some real battle, encounter, aliance with anti Xindi, or anything that directly relates to the Xindi. This expanse stuff is getting boring, it shouldn't be, it's a very interesting concept, but it just seems boring the way they are telling it.

Same thing with Andromeda, it was very exciting at first, this season, so far, it's a bore.

Where is Farscape dammit! I have very few complaints about Farscape, one or 2 eps didn't please me, one really pissed me off. This is minor stuff when you are looking at 4 seasons. Enterprise as been a dud from day 1, and it will probably make it to 7 seasons. arrrrrrrrrrgggggg! Tarzan should be sued for being so lame and mind numbing, yet, it will most likely be around for 5 seasons.

I don't wonder anymore why there are so few science fiction fans that don't watch TV series, many of them are crap. I try to watch all of them, for general support reasons, but some, like Tarzan, are just far too poorly made and written for even me to watch.

Enterprise is and now Andromeda are alienating (in my opinion) the core science fiction fan (who includes someone from every demographic imaginable).

We need our own Network, a network devoted to science fiction, even the garbage stuff, but that will not get rid of quality, and strive to create and discover quality science fiction.

Low budget or High Tech, it doesn't matter, as long as it is written well, and has a direction, and there is an enemy I love to hate.

Man I miss Farscape, Babylon 5, DS9, The Prisoner, Space Above and Beyond, John Doe, Firefly, Nowhere Man, Blake's 7, and other shows that were written as well as these.

Garbage in..................garbage out..............

[MrVesham]

I have nothing notable to say about this episode. It wasn't the greatest but I didn't really hate it, either.

But... I'm glad Trellium-D is still around because it means that this joke is still valid (showed it over at TWOP, but I'll repost for the hell of it): http://www.veshgfx.com/etc/trellium_d_half_ounce.jpg. =P

Yeahhhhh, I know. Too much free time (didn't take long, anyway).

[FrellinScarran]

Here is my question: Does that Space Station have gravity? I mean, if all it took to launch that thing was some compressed air, how strong could the gravity have been? Strong enough to pull it down?

Any object in space (even on earth) of any mass, no matter how small, will have a gravitational field around it. The larger and more massive the greater the pull. So yes it their shuttle would have fallen back to the surface like it did. But what was really amazing was the fact that it fell then tumbled across the surface to EXACTLY the spot where it launched from!:eh:

[Selena]

There is no gravity!
The Earth and planets suck!

As for the show ... I too wondered about that scene. It amazed me that when the shuttle came 'crashing down' ... a relative term ... it didn't bounce off into space.

I know I wasn't very good at math in school but I did play a lot of Jez-Ball and noticed that if something in motion hits a surface it will bounce off at an angle. So how did the shuttle pod just skid to a halt and not disappear into the starry void?

My only explanation ... it was in the script.

[SabaceanBabe]

Originally posted by MrVesham
I have nothing notable to say about this episode. It wasn't the greatest but I didn't really hate it, either.

But... I'm glad Trellium-D is still around because it means that this joke is still valid (showed it over at TWOP, but I'll repost for the hell of it): http://www.veshgfx.com/etc/trellium_d_half_ounce.jpg. =P

Yeahhhhh, I know. Too much free time (didn't take long, anyway).

:rollin: :rollin: :rollin: :rollin: :rollin: :rollin: :rollin: :rollin: :rollin: :rollin:

Thanks for sharing, Mr. Versham!

Enterprise. Sorry, Star Trek: Enterprise, is still not all that good, but it is getting better. There are parts of each episode this season that I have actually enjoyed and not been tempted to MST3K the hezmana out of.

[Frellster]

OK, right before they shoot off the thruster, the ship is upsidedown, meaning the thruster is thrusting upwards propelling the ship down.

[NYPinTA]

I thought the ship was sideways when they finally got in a clean shot, because it had to be facing them so that they could see it in order to shoot if off.
If the thruster was in the position to push the ship down, then the thruster would be on the opposite side of the ship then where they could see it to shoot it.
But, I could be wrong.... :eh:

[Selena]

From what I remember of the episode (as I got home late from work) the ship was in a roll as they were firing at the thruster.

So that raises another question now ... those pistols are first generation phase pistols ... how did they fire sich a long distance and cause damage to a shuttle pod that is designed to travel through space and be impervious to such things as small meteorites and cosmic dust particles, enemy weapon's fire etc??? :eh:

[RustySlinky]

Heyyy!

Enterprise Bashing is a time honored tradition, even at other Trek sites too, but it's usually done conscientiously and sort of objectively. So people here shouldn't feel too bad about dissing it here!

I agree with SB, that Enterprise is getting better this season:

Most Enterprise viewers would agree that the visual effects are the biggest thing that's improved so far this time round.

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About the *Exile* episode, I thought the part that was good was how the Hoshi character couldn't openly talk about what she was really thinking, even she knew that the psychic alien had figured her out and could even be reading her mind.

At the dinner table, she said her stomach was queasy, when the real issue over the food was familiarity, or appearance.

Major Kira from DS-9 or Seven of Nine and B-Lainna from Voyager would have come right out and said "I'm not attracted to you, or we aren't compatible" or "I need your help, but don't want a relationship" Instead of tip-toeing around and saying that they couldn't be a couple because of her duty to her ship.

Her graveside comment of "I think it's time we go back inside now" was also interesting. It wasn't "I'm going back inside" or "I've had enough for one day" or saying nothing at all.

It's treading close to cultural and gender based stereotypes.

[Selena]

I really love the character of Hoshi. But they have done very little with her. Hoshi is a complex character and gets very few lines and even fewer of those are really good ones.

The character of Hoshi reminds me of Uhura and the way they didn't know what to do with her once they had her on board. I just relish the scene in The Search for Spock where Uhura actually struts her stuff.

Pity they have not explored all the crew to a greater degree. We hardly know anything about any of them. I would love to see episodes showing the back stories and their personal lives. These people all have families and we rarely get a glimpse or even a mention of any of them.

I'd love to see a Vulcan story with something about T'Pol's betrothed and family dynamics. Vulcan's for all their logic are really quite dysfunctional.