Crichton

[Pengu]

Even though season 3 is splendid there's also many sad moments..

One thing that strikes me is that Aeryn fall in love with TCrichton and it is his child she's gonna have.
She never really loved MCrichton and it isn't really his child.

I therefore think that there will never be anything between the remaining Crichton and Aeryn since the one she loved is dead and the remaining one is just a copy. She had her love...

I just feel sorry for Crichton on Moya since his fate is sealed and he never was given a chance and his love will not be answered..

[Zantar]

watch season 4.

[Boron]

Yes, Pengu, watch season 4. I still haven't seen a few eps of it.
I don't know if Skiffy will ever show it all again. Also, we don't really know which John is actually the original. At least I haven't seen anything said along that line.


:confused: :grr: :confused:

[tesseract]

It's my understanding that they're *both* "equal and original." So neither is the copy--or they both are. And that's the true mind frell. :ewink:

[Pengu]

Well, they are both the same when they were "created" but not after that. They both experience different things and live a different life from that moment. So from the moment TCrichton is created and until he dies he has a completely different life than MCrichton. A life with Aeryn which MCrichton never had.
Aeryn fell in love with Crichton on Talyn and in the episode "The choice" Aeryn has lost the Crichton she loves and realizes she will be a peacekeeper and that Chrichton could have changed that if he'd be alive.

In her eyes the "real" Crichton died. The one she fell in love with. The one who made her pregnant.

She had no real relationship with MCrichton and he is not the real one in her eyes

[ComfyChair]

I have to second Zantar. Watch Season 4.

[RydraWong]

I agree that Aeryn had a whole relationship with JohnT on Talyn that she didn't have with JohnM. JohnM can't just step in as a "replacement".

However, she does share with JohnM all that they went through together during the first 2-and-a-bit seasons, up until John got twinned. JohnM is John Crichton too, and John Crichton is the person she fell in love with. So they're not exactly strangers either.

And yeah, watch season 4. What they said.

[seattlescaper]

And, if you recall, John and Aeryn both states their love for each other at the end of season two, beginning of season three. Watch season four. I don't think you will find MJohn being treated like a replacement for TJohn.

[tesseract]

Originally posted by Pengu
In her eyes the "real" Crichton died. The one she fell in love with. The one who made her pregnant.

She had no real relationship with MCrichton and he is not the real one in her eyes

True, to an extent. MJohn both is and is not TJohn at the same time, and that's what Aeryn has to come to grips with. In some ways, it would be easier for her to believe that MJohn is just a clone and not "really" John Crichton. Alas, things don't prove that simple. I'll have to echo everyone else and say, watch Season 4. :D

[Selena]

The major things we all learn watching Farscape is that nothing is what it seems on the surface. Everything is more complex than we could possibly imagine and we should never take anything for granted.:ewink:

Could someone please explain M and T Crichton!

[ComfyChair]

M John for Moya-John (the Crichton left on Moya after the twinning) and T John for Talyn-John (the Crichton left on Talyn).

Sometimes known as GreenT (for green t-shirt Crichton on Moya) and BlackT (for black t-shirt Crichton on Talyn).

Or we could just call them Live Crichton and Dead Crichton. ;)

[Selena]

:rolleyes: thanks for explaining.
I secretly believe that Moya John is the real thing and that Talyn John was the one that died ... why? Because who would kill off the star and hero half-way through a successful show? :lol

[Pengu]

Well, season 4 has alot of questionsmarks too...

spoilers....



In season 3 Aeryn says in "the choice" that things could had been different if Crichton would had lived, but she comes to term that she is and will be a PK.
In the last episodes she gives MJohn the cold shoulder and ditch him in "a dog with 2 bones".
Then she is back at Moya in "Promises" but i truely wonder where her loyalties are. In that time she went back to become a pk once again. She became a pk assassin just like her mother. And it's pretty obvious she had lots of assignments. So on one mission she gets infected with heat disease and just by "chance" ???
scorpius is there to save her and it is HE who brings Aeryn to Moya. I'm doubtful Aeryn would had come back herself and not continue her new pk life.

Then when she only has to tell the names of some pk assassins to save her and her baby(maybe john's) she refuses and rather kill herself. What does that say about her loyalties???

And she won't tell John anything about her time as an assassin.
I'm sure alot more happened during that time....
I have my doubts about Aeryn not being a PK in her heart and that she really decided to go back when the Crichton she loved died.
I know that later on that there are some signs that may show otherwise but i'm very far from convinced esp if she'll have to choose later on that it will be different from the one she made in "Promises".

[Jude]

I have to agree with everyone...
Watch Season 4...well the rest of it!

[GARNET]

I think she would have come back on her own and was. I think the ex pk group was a place for her to put her head together and find out about the baby.

If you think about it the odds of her, Moya and Scorpius being all in the same place seem unlike since a group of hired killers is not going to made they fly plan well known.

I believe Aeryn and Pilot had made arrangements to meet again in few months after she feel she had clear her head. That why Pilot was not there to pick up Jool and D'Argo when the planet was on it last stage of becaming uninhabitly, he was pick up her. Scorpius, I believed, own and paid for the group and that why he know here Aeryn was because she was his employee and she never know it. He more then like he had the cure to the infection she had but was waiting to help when he could get John right behind the 8 ball when the cool suit became unapply to keep her a live.

It was also why she told John to go home at the end of season 3 because in he mind she was testing him. If he left then it was not going to be but if he stay it was going to happen even if she had to tie him down and seat on him. Look at her behavior in Twice Shy at the end.

[Pengu]

Well, but why go back to a PK assassin group????
And why refuse to tell Crichton anything about it?
And then she rather kill herself than to name a few pk assassins. And when Crichton ask her if it would had been worth it even if others(him) were depending on her she said yes.

I'm not at all sure about her connections with the PK's at all.
Clear her head by going back to a life she had before. What for?

Way too many things unclear....

[GARNET]

Aeryn believe kick and kill things as away to clear her head. And she pig head and will not give in even if it was a bad idea. Mix with the ideas of loyal above all is why Aeryn will not talk about the ex pk in her mind she own them that even when she might be wrong.

On those issues she has a code were with love she get all screw up and fall back on her old sysytem to a degree but it has not work since she meet John or prehaps since Verlock. That why her say the coin was bad and her coming clean about the baby without John ask or confronting her was a good sign. And her demanding the relationship from John who she wanted to save from the drug instead of walking away like she did in the past.

Aeryn finally got her act together and that why she was coming back to Moya and stay with John.

[JadedLegend3]

My question is, who says the baby is TJohn's? She and MJohn (or the original original) slept together in A Human Reaction. It could be that John's baby. We don't know which John is the one from the previous seasons, though I assume that MJohn is the one from the first season and such.

Just my two cents.

Jacqui :love:

[GARNET]

Both John M and John T are the original John. He was split equally and original part, they are both the father if the baby is from the Human Reaction. But since both Johns have the same DNA because they are both equally and original then as one many have had put the sprem into Aeryn both are the father if Aeryn want to suit John for child support. I hate to see that court case ,
Our honor my equally and original twin that both come from the original John father that baby not me, ask any one sir. Ask my hynerian friend and lawyer. John would be screw either way.

[Jude]

Well after sleeping with T-John in Season 3 she found out she was pregnant before she left Moya at the end of S3.
If it was M-John's then she would of found out at the end of Season 1 wouldn't she?
On the other hand when John was twinned we don't know whether the template (original John) went with Aeryn on Talyn, or stayed on Moya...

[RydraWong]

If it was M-John's then she would of found out at the end of Season 1 wouldn't she?

Not necessarily. The implication seems to be that she only found out on the Command Carrier, when they had medical check-ups. Assuming the stasis thingummy also prevents menstruation (which would make sense if you don't want any of your troops laid up with cramps :D), there's no reason why she would have known she was pregnant before then.

On the other hand when John was twinned we don't know whether the template (original John) went with Aeryn on Talyn, or stayed on Moya...

"Equal and original", remember? They're both original John.

[Jude]

Originally posted by RydraWong
Assuming the stasis thingummy also prevents menstruation (which would make sense if you don't want any of your troops laid up with cramps :D), there's no reason why she would have known she was pregnant before then.


Then she would surely know if she was pregnant when her menstruation cycle stopped!

[RydraWong]

No, I meant if the stasis device/whatever prevents Peacekeeper women from menstruating, full stop.

If Aeryn did have a menstrual cycle which stopped when she got pregnant, then there'd never have been any ambiguity about whether John was the father or whether she could have been pregnant before the Premiere - she'd have known when she got pregnant.

Whereas in "Natural Election", she says it's possible the child could be from "Perhaps, four cycles before I met you. " Until it's DNA tested, she doesn't know.

[Jude]

Oh right!!

But we do know it is one of the John's as wasn't it mentioned that the child is not fully sebaccean...
Whatever John is the father, M-John will love the kid no matter who the father is!

[The Keeper]

Originally posted by Zantar
watch season 4.

Agreed.

I havent seen any of S4 yet, but from wat ive 'accidentally encountered on this site (among others) and from wat ive seen...season 4 will clear stuff up.

[jayelsee]

Earlier question reference: Why won't Aeryn tell who her fellow assassins are (to save her life) and how did Scorpius find her and how/why bring her back to Moya.....



MAYBE......Scorpius brought her back from the future through a wormhole...........maybe............in that "past" or alternate reality of that "future", John had joined her and was her "fellow assassin" .......maybe.......he was killed in that future, and Aeryn & Scorpius are attempting to change it by returning to a time prior to when John joined Aeryn as an assassin.

Pure, fun speculation, abslutely no basis. I read a lot of fan fic :rollin:

[Chi27]

Originally posted by Zantar
watch season 4.

Yep! That's what he/she is going to have to do. :D

[Chi27]

Originally posted by Pengu
Well, season 4 has alot of questionsmarks too...

spoilers....



In season 3 Aeryn says in "the choice" that things could had been different if Crichton would had lived, but she comes to term that she is and will be a PK.
In the last episodes she gives MJohn the cold shoulder and ditch him in "a dog with 2 bones".
Then she is back at Moya in "Promises" but i truely wonder where her loyalties are. In that time she went back to become a pk once again. She became a pk assassin just like her mother. And it's pretty obvious she had lots of assignments. So on one mission she gets infected with heat disease and just by "chance" ???
scorpius is there to save her and it is HE who brings Aeryn to Moya. I'm doubtful Aeryn would had come back herself and not continue her new pk life.

Then when she only has to tell the names of some pk assassins to save her and her baby(maybe john's) she refuses and rather kill herself. What does that say about her loyalties???

And she won't tell John anything about her time as an assassin.
I'm sure alot more happened during that time....
I have my doubts about Aeryn not being a PK in her heart and that she really decided to go back when the Crichton she loved died.
I know that later on that there are some signs that may show otherwise but i'm very far from convinced esp if she'll have to choose later on that it will be different from the one she made in "Promises".

I'm confused. I thought Aeryn was deemed "contaminated" by the PKs. So how could she go back and become an assassin especially after being on the run with Crichton and Moya crew.

My question is did she really act as an assassin or was it the bioloid Aeryn? Maybe Aeryn was intending to re-join with the PKs again, but never got the chance. Didn't Scorpy say he found her in her Prowler in that condition? I don't know. There's obviously more to it than meets the eye and maybe those answers would've been answered had there been a S5.