The baby [Archive] - Frell Me Dead

Judith

11-03-2003, 03:29 PM

Originally posted by Shipscat
I kinda doubt that the Empress would have been satisfied with that evolutionary dead end..if she knew about it, of course.

Yeah...I guess I'm kind of wondering...they had a lot of cool baby technology...but is that the kind of thing they would know? They just said "viable", right? To me, that means born healthy.

SaraD

11-03-2003, 03:32 PM

I don't think John & Aeryn's kid would look like anything in particular (except gorgeous, of course). John's bad eyesight (okay, so they're 20/20 and blue, but Aeryn's is better), Aeryn's sensitivity to heat... really small potatoes, as far as I can see. The bigger question, one that keeps popping up in my mind, is how is it the two species are so much alike? I was thinking about the fact that you don't have to go back very far before human history is really fuzzy. Who knows what kind of interaction might have happened just when homo sapiens sapien was settled in?

stellar

11-03-2003, 03:35 PM

Yeah, like in Clan of The Cave Bear.

Judith

11-03-2003, 03:52 PM

Or maybe Sabaceans built the pyramids.

Well...not just the heat sickness. Sebaceans have the peraphiral nerve that humans don't. So it's physiology would have to be markedly different from both Humans and Sabaceans.

MournsZhaan

11-03-2003, 04:19 PM

Originally posted by Judith_Shakespeare
This thread is for speculation on what a Human/Sebacean baby would be like.

For example, my question is: we know that a Human/Sabacean baby can be born healthy because of LATP. But when it grows up...can it reproduce? Mules are a mixed species, aren't they? And they can't procreate.

Well, my speculation regarding "The Locket" (TL) is that Aeryn's granddaughter (dang! can't remember her name!) is also Crichton's granddaughter because the 3 sons Aeryn produced and outlived were fathered by Crichton in "A Human Reaction" (AHR). I don't want to take this thread way OT and explain the reasons behind my speculation but, assuming I'm right, and Aeryn's granddaughter is 1/4 human and 3/4 sebacean we know that the appearance of such a hybrid is unremarkable, that is, unless one did a genetic scan, you'd never guess that the granddaughter had an "impure" bloodline; she looks perfectly sebacean. We would probably also surmise that Aeryn outlived her 3 sons because they were part human and humans don't live as long as sebaceans. And, lastly, if the 3 sons that Aeryn outlived were fathered by John, then we know that human/sebacean hybrids aren't sterile. Also, based on the genetic compatibility test of from the "Look at the Princess" trilogy (LatP), my guess is that if human/sebacean hybrids were sterile, that the genetic compatibility test which John and Katralla took would have been "negative".

I have no speculation about whether the hybrids have perapheral (sp?) nerves or are more heat tolerant because I don't think we've been given any evidence one way or the other.

All of the above is just MHO.

Chris

padmeskywalker

11-03-2003, 04:32 PM

Insteresting...

Well, if they lived on Earth, FLordia is definately out of the question, gets too hot ;)

As far as the baby, prob depends on WHICH genes it gets from Aeryn wheather or not the heat thing would be a prob. Make a nice story-line though.

Can just see Aeryn 'reading' up on how to be a good mom, while throwing-up in the bathroom (they have a bathroom on moya somewhere right???)

Judith

11-03-2003, 04:38 PM

Wait, in the Locket, Aeryn was married to someone else before Chricton ever showed up. I thought that was where her kids came from?

Judith

11-03-2003, 04:40 PM

Originally posted by padmeskywalker

Can just see Aeryn 'reading' up on how to be a good mom, while throwing-up in the bathroom (they have a bathroom on moya somewhere right???)

Maybe...all we know is they don't have toilet paper. :D

I'm sure they have at least a centralized place for "going" since we don't usually see fecal matter all along the corridors.

padmeskywalker

11-03-2003, 04:44 PM

Ok, I havn't seen 'The Locket' but yeah, how does 'A human reaction' tie into that??? (seen human reaction) plus, how does 3 sons come out of that one time???

MournsZhaan

11-03-2003, 04:49 PM

Originally posted by Judith_Shakespeare
Wait, in the Locket, Aeryn was married to someone else before Chricton ever showed up. I thought that was where her kids came from?

I'm not sure I agree with that statement but you could have guessed that again right?

Rewatch the episode and notice that Aeryn's granddaughter never says anything about her grandfather. We're told that Aeryn's own sons think she's crazy when she talked about her space adventures but we never learned what Aeryn's husband thought. We also don't know that Aeryn's sons ever met Aeryn's so called husband who, supposedly would be their father. Because of my speculation about the parentage of Aeryn's 3 sons last time I watched TL I was looking for some evidence that Aeryn had taken another lover after leaving Moya and IMO, it's not clear she did.

Chris

Shipscat

11-03-2003, 04:52 PM

But Chris, they say she's only carrying one fetus when the Scarrens have her.

Judith

11-03-2003, 04:54 PM

Originally posted by MournsZhaan
I'm not sure I agree with that statement but you could have guessed that again right?

Rewatch the episode and notice that Aeryn's granddaughter never says anything about her grandfather. We're told that Aeryn's own sons think she's crazy when she talked about her space adventures but we never learned what Aeryn's husband thought. We also don't know that Aeryn's sons ever met Aeryn's so called husband who, supposedly would be their father. Because of my speculation about the parentage of Aeryn's 3 sons last time I watched TL I was looking for some evidence that Aeryn had taken another lover after leaving Moya and IMO, it's not clear she did.

Chris

Actually. she mentions her husband to John. Also, when the granddaughter talks to John, she talks about Aeryn as "my grandmother". If I were to talk about my grandmother to my grandfather, I would simply call her "grandma". If I were to talk about her to another old man, then I might say "MY grandma".

MournsZhaan

11-03-2003, 04:58 PM

Originally posted by padmeskywalker
Ok, I havn't seen 'The Locket' but yeah, how does 'A human reaction' tie into that??? (seen human reaction) plus, how does 3 sons come out of that one time???

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In MtB, Crichton asks Aeryn how many times they've been close. Aeryn misunderstands the question and thinks that Crichton is talking about sex and says "Just the once". I think this is a reference back to AHR. IMO AHR strongly hints that Aeryn and Crichton had intercourse.

How many offspring can sebacean women produce from one act of intercourse? We don't know but if their pregnancies automatically go into statis I suppose it's also possible that sebacean women can also conceive litters (there is numerous earth precedence for mammals which produce litters) where each offspring in the litter is released from statis separately.

Chris

MournsZhaan

11-03-2003, 05:05 PM

Originally posted by Judith_Shakespeare
Actually. she mentions her husband to John. Also, when the granddaughter talks to John, she talks about Aeryn as "my grandmother". If I were to talk about my grandmother to my grandfather, I would simply call her "grandma". If I were to talk about her to another old man, then I might say "MY grandma".

I think when Aeryn talks about her husband, he may be something of a fiction. I can't give you specifics without rewatching the episode but whenever Aeryn's husband is mentioned there are never any specifics and that's part of what leads me to believe that she never took another lover.

I'm not trying to convince anyone I'm right. It's JMO that there's room for interpretation. Consequently, I can't make any better case than what I've offered at the moment.

Chris

Judith

11-03-2003, 05:07 PM

Originally posted by MournsZhaan
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In MtB, Crichton asks Aeryn how many times they've been close. Aeryn misunderstands the question and thinks that Crichton is talking about sex and says "Just the once". I think this is a reference back to AHR. IMO AHR strongly hints that Aeryn and Crichton had intercourse.

How many offspring can sebacean women produce from one act of intercourse? We don't know but if their pregnancies automatically go into statis I suppose it's also possible that sebacean women can also conceive litters (there is numerous earth precedence for mammals which produce litters) where each offspring in the litter is released from statis separately.

Chris

Generally, for mammals...and Sabaceans seem to be mammalian, you don't get more babies than 1/2 of the number of breasts the female mammal has. It's so the babies have enough to eat. That's why multiple births are rare, and, for example, cats tend to have a lot fewer babies than the amount of nipples they have.

I'm not denying John and Aeryn had sex in AHR, I just think it's a stretch to assume she had triplets as a result of that encounter. Furthermore, from what we know of Sabacean families...Crais' family and Aeryn's family, we get no evidence that babies are born in litters.
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If the children Aeryn had in the locket were the product of John and Aeryn's actions in AHR, wouldn't it make sense that the baby that Aeryn is pregnant with in the forth season is the same? She seems to know that she's having one child...and she's had it checked out on the Command Carrier.

MournsZhaan

11-03-2003, 05:11 PM

Originally posted by Shipscat
But Chris, they say she's only carrying one fetus when the Scarrens have her.

Maybe so, but consider the human case of identical triplets -- three genetically identical offsprings from a single fertilization. What environmental condition causes the zygote/embryo to separate to form 3 offspring. I don't know but maybe Tiriel can help with that. Anyway, it could be that on the favored planet there was some environmental influence that caused the zygote/embryo to divide in such a way that triplets were produced. At the end of TL when Aeryn is kept from leaving Moya to explore the center halo, perhaps she was kept from whatever environmental condition caused her to produce triplets. I can't prove anything. Just exploring unrealized realities! ;)

Chris

MournsZhaan

11-03-2003, 05:22 PM

Originally posted by Judith_Shakespeare
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If the children Aeryn had in the locket were the product of John and Aeryn's actions in AHR, wouldn't it make sense that the baby that Aeryn is pregnant with in the forth season is the same? She seems to know that she's having one child...and she's had it checked out on the Command Carrier. [/B]

Absolutely!

Regarding the one child vs. 3 children see my recent post about identical triplets.

Anyway, you are all certainly entitled to your own opinions and speculations. I'm not sure I want to continue making arguments because I don't want to sound argumentative. I'm out of data and so to continue I'm going to have to start repeating myself! :D

If anyone wants to rewatch AHR and the TL with me in Burbank I'll be happy to resume the discussion there.

I'm really, really supposed to be working now!

Chris

Judith

11-03-2003, 05:25 PM

Well, I'm really supposed to be doing my homework, and while I doubt I'll get off the board, I'll refrain from making any more TL comments until I have time to rewatch it.

:D

MournsZhaan

11-03-2003, 07:07 PM

of taking this thread so far OT.

The purpose of bringing up my speculation about TL was the light it might shed on the genetic results of a human/sebacean hybrid. So please, if you wish to discuss whether or not Aeryn's granddaughter in TL is also Crichton's granddaughter it should probably be done in a different thread.

Chris

PS I'm no longer at work but I do have a life which I need to back to! :aok:

Grippy

11-03-2003, 09:11 PM

Thoughts:

First they do have a "bathroom"--recall Rygel's, um recovery of the Moya crystal synapse thing at the end of the episode.

Second--In my hazy memory of genetics, isn't it usually that a baby gets some of mom's and some of dad's traits? So it'd be kind of a lottery for the kid as to what s/he got...eysight/nerves/heat sickness, etc.

Third--Ya know, Aeryn didn't have to have triplets for that whole theory to work. She could've had John's kid and the timing could've been convienient enough to fool her husband. :shrug: Just my thoughts. :D :kitty:

Sunderflame

11-03-2003, 09:32 PM

get's cancelled before the story is done.JMO smokin: Isn't Speculation fun.:whip: :rollin: :grr:

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Judith

11-03-2003, 09:54 PM

Originally posted by Grippy
[B]Thoughts:

First they do have a "bathroom"--recall Rygel's, um recovery of the Moya crystal synapse thing at the end of the episode.

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The thing he swallowed? Is that the right episode?

Great, okay. Bathroom...no toilet paper. Maybe they have a bidet?

Judith

11-03-2003, 09:56 PM

Originally posted by Sunderflame
get's cancelled before the story is done.JMO smokin: Isn't Speculation fun.:whip: :rollin: :grr:

Oh, I know. I know everything we "speculate" will probably turn out to be totally wrong, and they'll completely surprise us with something we DIDN'T expect...but...there's no show to watch, so it's fun to figure out what they MIGHT do.

SaraD

11-04-2003, 09:13 AM

Originally posted by MournsZhaan
We would probably also surmise that Aeryn outlived her 3 sons because they were part human and humans don't live as long as sebaceans. Chris

Yes but in that same RO story, it's made clear that John is 300 years old because the translator microbes do little repair jobs on the side. So this premise doesn't quite work, right?

fiona-maria

11-04-2003, 09:18 AM

Aeryn could have been lying about being married to her sons' father. She could have SAID she was married, and not been. And she might not necessarily have told her grandaughter that John was her grandad.

In humans, multiple births run in families. If you are a twin, chances are good your children will be twins, or their children. Why couldn't Aeryn be pregnant, and after stasis was released, it split, and she had three?

And we don't know if Sebaceans have litters or not.

Speculation.

Fiona

padmeskywalker

11-04-2003, 09:55 AM

Good point, wish I'd seen TL, hopefully soon...

MournsZhaan

11-04-2003, 11:28 AM

Originally posted by SaraD
Yes but in that same RO story, it's made clear that John is 300 years old because the translator microbes do little repair jobs on the side. So this premise doesn't quite work, right?

Thanks for the info. I haven't read the RO story.

Chris

Judith

11-04-2003, 12:12 PM

Originally posted by fiona-maria

And we don't know if Sebaceans have litters or not.

Actually, we can, with almost certainty, say that they don't

Despite the peraphiral (sp?) gland, and the heat sickness, Humans and Sebaceans are physiologically close. Otherwise...they wouldn't be able to have a baby together. Like I said before, mammals usually have 1/2 as many babies as the number of breasts that they have. Everyone on the ship seems to wear pretty tight clothing, so I'm pretty sure Aeryn doesn't have an extra pair that she's hiding.

Also, we are given information about both Aeryn's birth and Crais' childhood. Crais had a younger brother. Neither of them mention any other siblings. Although Peacekeepers aren't exactly raised in a family environment, we know that their children get the last name of the mother (Aeryn Sun, Xhalex Sun), and there aren't any other Sun's running around.

Also, every time Aeryn speaks of the baby, she refers to it in the singular, even before it's released from stasis. That means she's expecting to have one baby, not many. She acts like having one baby is the norm. If litters were the norm, she'd be more surprised that she's only having one baby.

So...to assume sebaceans have litters, with no information given to support it, is quite a stretch.

MournsZhaan

11-04-2003, 01:04 PM

Originally posted by Judith_Shakespeare
Actually, we can, with almost certainty, say that they don't

Despite the peraphiral (sp?) gland, and the heat sickness, Humans and Sebaceans are physiologically close. Otherwise...they wouldn't be able to have a baby together. Like I said before, mammals usually have 1/2 as many babies as the number of breasts that they have. Everyone on the ship seems to wear pretty tight clothing, so I'm pretty sure Aeryn doesn't have an extra pair that she's hiding.

Also, we are given information about both Aeryn's birth and Crais' childhood. Crais had a younger brother. Neither of them mention any other siblings. Although Peacekeepers aren't exactly raised in a family environment, we know that their children get the last name of the mother (Aeryn Sun, Xhalex Sun), and there aren't any other Sun's running around.

Also, every time Aeryn speaks of the baby, she refers to it in the singular, even before it's released from stasis. That means she's expecting to have one baby, not many. She acts like having one baby is the norm. If litters were the norm, she'd be more surprised that she's only having one baby.

So...to assume sebaceans have litters, with no information given to support it, is quite a stretch.

One minor quibble: it's perapheral (sp?) nerve, hence the title from season one when Aeryn needs a tissue graft for the episode "Nerve" (which by the way may be a play on words since Crichton and Chiana have "nerve" going into a gammak base). And that minor quibble in no way detracts from the strength of your argument.

And I stand by my earlier comments: this thread is about human/sebacean hybrids so I'm refraining from debating my speculation any further here! :aok:

Chris

divinedaydreams

11-04-2003, 01:06 PM

Ok bare with me since I don't remember the episodes name. But in the episode were everyone but Aeryn, were all turnind grey because of radiation. Didn't John find like a key stone that had both Sebacean and Earth based writting on it. Doesn't that prove two are linked and most likely genetically. You know like different breeds of canine? They can breed even though the may be vastly different.

Judith

11-04-2003, 01:10 PM

Originally posted by divinedaydreams
Ok bare with me since I don't remember the episodes name. But in the episode were everyone but Aeryn, were all turnind grey because of radiation. Didn't John find like a key stone that had both Sebacean and Earth based writting on it. Doesn't that prove two are linked and most likely genetically. You know like different breeds of canine? They can breed even though the may be vastly different.

Is that What Was Lost? I don't think Aeryn was in it...but...it is the one where John found the eye of Ra?

Oh yeah, I'm just wondering...how weird is their baby gonna be? Once I saw a chihuahua/dachschund mix. It looked like someone stuck the head of a chihuahua on a dachschund. It was hilarious. Granted, Humans and Sebaceans look pretty much the same...but what obstacles might it face?

divinedaydreams

11-04-2003, 01:18 PM

I was thinking more along the lines of a wolf with a standard show poodle. But you get the idea.

Judith

11-04-2003, 01:19 PM

Originally posted by divinedaydreams
I was thinking more along the lines of a wolf with a standard show poodle. But you get the idea.

Does that make John the poodle?:D

divinedaydreams

11-04-2003, 01:30 PM

Yep I wouldn't dare call Aeyrn one would you? Poodles anymore are smart but not as sensitive to nature as a wolf. They are cute though.

divinedaydreams

11-04-2003, 01:36 PM

Oh and back on topic using above scenerio a poodle and a wolf can mate their called Hybrids. The poodle genes tend to give way to the wolf ones. Most hybrids are treated like wolves except they may be a tad tamer than their full blood counterparts. So I think the Baby would take after Mom more.

Judith

11-04-2003, 01:37 PM

Why do the poodle genes give way to the wolf ones?

fiona-maria

11-04-2003, 01:46 PM

Spelling: Peripheral. Think perimeter.

I have heard of women who are pregnant, not assisted conception, no multiple births in the family, and they go for a checkup and there is more than one child in their womb and they didn't know it. Maybe Aeryn didn't know that she was having three.

OR, maybe she had the one (John's), and the other two were another man, but she never wanted to say because she felt on some level that having children withanother man had betrayed John in some way.

(People do and say odd things. My grandmother flat out refused to tell me why she allowed my granddad to divorce her. Even on her deathbed. Now no one knows.)

Fiona

divinedaydreams

11-04-2003, 01:51 PM

Wolf genes are older and more dominant. Some genes are just more likely to come out then others. But I hold no degree in genetics.

divinedaydreams

11-04-2003, 02:03 PM

Ok maybe I should explain a little farther. IMO I think Humans and Sebaceans came from the same gene pool. It explains the genetic compatability. So If the Sebaceans are the ones closer to the source being that they have more technology and ownership of space both of which take time. Then you could say they are the wolves and humans are companion dogs. Companion dogs came from wolves and over time were changed to fit new needs.

Now that said if you mate a pure blood animal with a mix you often get puppies looking more like the pure blood. These same puppies if breed to another pure blood of same breed still often produce pure looking puppies. So if Humans are farther from the source of the same genetic pool and mate with a Sebacean, who are closer or more pure blood, the Baby should be more Sebacean then human.

Ugh that took time.

Judith

11-04-2003, 04:09 PM

Originally posted by fiona-maria
Spelling: Peripheral. Think perimeter.

I have heard of women who are pregnant, not assisted conception, no multiple births in the family, and they go for a checkup and there is more than one child in their womb and they didn't know it. Maybe Aeryn didn't know that she was having three.

I can buy the rare multiple birth (god, I hope that never happens to me) just not litters.

And thanks for the spelling...seriously...I've used that term in so many threads, and I think I spell it differently each time.:D

Judith

11-04-2003, 04:13 PM

Originally posted by divinedaydreams
Ok maybe I should explain a little farther. IMO I think Humans and Sebaceans came from the same gene pool. It explains the genetic compatability. So If the Sebaceans are the ones closer to the source being that they have more technology and ownership of space both of which take time. Then you could say they are the wolves and humans are companion dogs. Companion dogs came from wolves and over time were changed to fit new needs.

Now that said if you mate a pure blood animal with a mix you often get puppies looking more like the pure blood. These same puppies if breed to another pure blood of same breed still often produce pure looking puppies. So if Humans are farther from the source of the same genetic pool and mate with a Sebacean, who are closer or more pure blood, the Baby should be more Sebacean then human.

Ugh that took time.

I could see that happening. I think they probably came from the same or similar gene pool as well. That's pretty much what I got from What Was Lost.

Still, it's going to be weird...seeing exactly what human traits and what sabacean traits the kid does have.

(If they even have the kid during the duration of the show- it will be back, yes- we have no idea what the gestation period would be for a Sebacean.)

Wonder...just taking the metaphor a little further...do domesticated dogs and wolves have the same gestation period?

divinedaydreams

11-04-2003, 04:42 PM

I think dogs and wolves do, but I wouldn't count on Sebaceans having the same as humans. After all they developed the stasis bit why not a quicker gestation?

padmeskywalker

11-04-2003, 06:56 PM

possibly, but also since they are more 'advanced' it could take longer for all that to be properly 'instructed' into the child.

Judith

11-04-2003, 08:14 PM

Originally posted by divinedaydreams
I think dogs and wolves do, but I wouldn't count on Sebaceans having the same as humans. After all they developed the stasis bit why not a quicker gestation?

Yeah, also I guess we could assume that Sabaceans might be farther removed from Humans than wolves are from dogs.

:shrug: Since dogs and wolves live on the same planet and all.

padmeskywalker

11-05-2003, 06:34 AM

I was thinking last night, correct me is this 'theory' seems wrong. Ok, the baby automatically is put into a statis right? Probably from the second the sperm and egg meet. Everyone with me so far? In statis (or being froze, see Batman and Robin) the baby wouldn't need nurishment right? It's suspended, so no nurishment, therefore until it's 'released' Aeryn would still technically have a 'cycle' or whatever they call it. So, that is why she wouldn't necessarily know till being checked out she was 'pregnant' does that make sense? That sound clear and believable to all of you?

Kerrigan

11-05-2003, 07:15 AM

baby automatically is put into a statis right? Probably from the second the sperm and egg meet

Not quite right, in Prayer we could see the zygote divides a few times (3 or 4, correct me if I'm wrong) before it enters stasis.

This is pretty much all we know about the Sebacean reproduction.

padmeskywalker

11-05-2003, 11:30 AM

Ok, but still pretty fast, so not 'build up' would be needed, therfore, she couldn't rely on her 'cycle' to tell her she was pregnant, like we can (I'm glad I'm human..)

divinedaydreams

11-05-2003, 12:04 PM

Maybe she doesn't even have a cycle? It could be another one of those little details that gets in the way of fighting. Hmmm...then how do they do it? Maybe her body when she says ok time for baby just produces the extra blood and stuff needed rather than storing it every month.

padmeskywalker

11-05-2003, 12:17 PM

Yeah, another possiblity..

They need to come up with a guide to peacekeepers..

*hint, hint*

with all that in it.

divinedaydreams

11-05-2003, 12:22 PM

Ok I'm dumb and can't take a hint. Are you up to something? :bballbat:

padmeskywalker

11-05-2003, 12:28 PM

Who me? ;) up to someting? ;) Where would anyone get that idea? ;)

fiona-maria

11-05-2003, 01:26 PM

OT here: So, if Homo Sapiens and Sebacean are from the same gene pool, what does that make Scarran?

Scorpy being a Sebacean/Scarran hybrid, and all?

And in LATP, I would THINK that "compatability" would mean they can procreate?

My point? I don't have a point. I just have questions.*grin*

Fiona

padmeskywalker

11-05-2003, 01:43 PM

like I said, we need guidebooks for all the major races, how they work, terms they use etc..

*hint, hint to those who are in charge of that stuff*

divinedaydreams

11-05-2003, 02:03 PM

There's someone in charge?! Where are they? Speak up! We have questions over here.

Sebacean/Scarran hybrid - maybe its a genetic thing and the product has problems. Scorpy has to wear that suit right. Don't see anyone else with it. But then again who did it?

divinedaydreams

11-06-2003, 12:00 PM

Oh had a thought last night while trying to sleep. Maybe Scarrans are from the same gene pool. After all what is the likely hood of a bird of paradise growing on different planets without being taken there.

I don't think this makes Earth the point of origin though for all three. Maybe it was a stop over or an exploration team or hell maybe some people fell into a worm hole and the birds just do really well on Earth. Kinda hard to say.
:think:

brokendj23

11-06-2003, 03:31 PM

Well, cats can actually get impregnated by more than one male, say u have a siamese female whose been impregnated by say, a persian, but also by a run of the mill tiger, the kittens can be born with characteristics from all three. maybe sebaceans are kinda like that?

padmeskywalker

11-06-2003, 06:51 PM

Oh lord, poor Aeryn if that's true. *shutters in horror*

Judith

11-07-2003, 01:29 PM

Originally posted by divinedaydreams
I was thinking more along the lines of a wolf with a standard show poodle. But you get the idea.

This is totally off topic, but I just realized that...

I think if John were a dog, he would be a Golden Retriever.

divinedaydreams

11-07-2003, 01:36 PM

It was more an anology then off topic. I like using real life examples.

Now this is off topice... Why a Golden Retriever?

Judith

11-07-2003, 01:42 PM

Originally posted by divinedaydreams
It was more an anology then off topic. I like using real life examples.

Now this is off topice... Why a Golden Retriever?

Cause my parents have one. And she's intensely loyal and stuff, but she's very stupid.

I don't wanna make anyone mad, but I still hold the opinion that JC is...denser than he needs to be. Not that I don't love the character; I think it's endearing.