The Matrix Revolutions...

[ctheokas]

Well, David Franklin doesn't show up again, but Bruce Spence, everyone's favorite bad guy from A Prefect Murder does play the Trainman. It's not direct Farscape, but I guess it's something.

[PauNthWorlds]

I will look for him, I have not seen the movie, yet!!

[Frag_You!]

I hear that Bruce Spence is in the next star wars prequel, too. Good stuff for that guy. I like his work, glad things are going so well for him.

[Nomar]

Also, the actor that plays Bane is in Incubator right?

As one of the test pilots.

[vhsiv]

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Ahhrgh! What about all the ideas that weren't taken up, that were introduced in the second film, but dropped here? Granted it was a great action film, but it was like different writers and directors were responsible for 'The Matrix' and 'Matrix Revolutions' - it felt like the difference between 'Alien' and 'Aliens'.

What happend to all of the captive humans down in the pods? The Architect was just going to let them go? And then what would all of the machines use for energy? And the machines would never have formed a truce with Neo if Smith hadn't gone his merry way and become a full-blown virus... All too convenient.

What happened to all of those philosophical metaphors - Plato's Cave, Gnosticism, Predestination, all that - gone in a puff of CGI effects.

I was waiting for Neo to turn out be a program that was downloaded into one of the pod-people; more misdirection about what was *real* and illusory, closure on the politics of machines and men ("Zion is a place that people are allowed to escape to") and more information about the origins of the Matrix. What about the Architecht's role in the whole enterprise, and the other 'Neos' that had preceeded him?

The Wachowskis set us up for a major speculative philosophy lesson, and we got a James Cameron movie instead. I'm disappointed, but I suppose I can live with it. But I will think twice before I become invested an another one of their films: Andy and David Wachowski talked a good game in the first and second installments, but they didn't complete the protein in the third.

Maybe all that business was supressed - maybe I'll just have to wait for the DVD and/or a 'Director's Cut'. Idunno...

I'm sure Bonnie's husband will have enjoyed it...

[BlackThorn]

I was wondering why the trainman looked so familiar. Good to know! Thanks for the tip!

Bummer about no Braca, though.

[MrFlibble]

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What kind of ending was that?!? I really liked the film up to the point where the sun came up and I was left hanging.

Peace? Does that mean that no more humans can be freed from the pods? If another one is "saved", is it an act of war?

It seems that Neo was absorbed into the machines. So with Smith gone, and the One under lock and key (he can be deleted like Smith now, right?), don't the machines have total control?

I'm confused now.

[Sunderflame]

Should I waste my 6 dollars to see this flic or wait and rent the movie Just asking.

[Raina]

I saw the movie and it has great special effects that diminishes on impact on the smaller screen. I hated the previous two movies, didn't care one whit about the storyline but this movie I actually liked. It's a decent popcorn movie but really shouldn't be taken for more than it's worth.

[Wolli World]

Personally, I was very disappointed with this last movie. I loved the first one, could dig all the psycho babble in the second along with all the action, but this last one was just a bunch of CG. Nothing was really explained or maybe I missed it all somewhere during the hour-long battle scene.

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As for the "deal" the Oracle and the Architect agree to - I think it's to let the humans who want to leave the Matrix do so. Believe me, not everyone would do that. Who wants to live in Zion when you could live in the Matrix? I think a lot of people would be like Cypher in the first one and go back. I don't think the machines would have a problem getting enough food.

This movie just left me feeling that nothing had really been resolved. Sure, they'll have peace for a little while this time, but the whole cycle is just starting all over again. I also never understood exactly what Neo was or how Smith escaped the Matrix and took over someone in the real world. :confused:

[Selena]

Great movie ... thoroughly enjoyable, wonderful musical score, lots of fantastic SFX, plenty of blood, gore and mayhem and worth the hard earned green stuff to see it.
I give it :aok::aok::aok::aok::aok:

The way it ended it could be taken up as a series ... hey maybe skiffy will be interested in doing just that! :lol

[Sunderflame]

The movie theate was packed. So hubby said let's just catch it in the morning. I literally had to drag him out just to see it. Alas we'll go see it then. I've never seen our theate so crowed. It is only rated 2 stars. But I halve to see the end of the trilogy. I'm hearing so many mixed reviews...don't care. I'm goin! They actually are starting this thing at 9:25 every day in 2 different screens. These aren't small places either.

[CrystalMoon]

I was very disappointed.
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I was also confused. I hadn't seen the previous film since May, so I couldn't remember some of the details, and they made no effort to catch us up. I didn't understand the ending at all, partly because I couldn't remember that bearded program guy and what he'd told Neo before. I didn't understand why Smith said what he said or why that would kill him. I didn't understand what happened to Neo. I didn't understand why the Oracle, that girld and her friend all survived.

I felt like I needed a primer to understand this. And I also found that I didn't care what happened to the citizens of the city either. I didn't know them enough to care.

If you have to see what happens, then go see this, but better watch part 2 first. Otherwise, I would save my money.

[Kerrigan]

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Crystal Moon, relax about not remembering what happened in Reloaded, all of it was swept under the rug and forgotten in favor of the pretty CGI.

I disliked Revolutions mainly because it's flat. No character development, it looks like a bad ep of Startrek all over again, they don't carry the scars and experiences of the past. Wait, Startrek was actually better, at least they could act! Everybody (except for the two "previously on Farscape" actors, of course) was acting like they would rather be somewhere else. Also, their behaviour didn't match the lines (not that the lines were any good to begin with). Take Neo: he's hurt blind and he doesn't even go "oh". Or Trinity, with a dozen stakes through her, she still manages to keep her cool and go on and on about yap yap yap. Totally unbelievable. And don't even get me started on the love (one of the main themes), that didn't look or feel like love to me although they talked a heckuva lot about it. Neo and Trinity kissing has just about as much passion as a needle in the eye.

As for the story it's bad, bad! Pieces put together nonsensically and lots of clichees there. Every now and then I had the feeling that the brothers saw or read this nice thing somewhere and decided to add it because it sounded cool and philosophical.

I could go on and on but it's late for me now, maybe some other time. :)

Matrix Revolutions did one good thing for me, though: it made me realize how much I miss good storytelling, great suspense, believable human(like) characters, and a true lovestory. You know what I'm talking about, don't you?

[Strj500]

I was disappointed with the end too, was Neo dead or unconscious? It seems to me like needed to explain some more.

[Scaper_S]

Originally posted by Kerrigan
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Crystal Moon, relax about not remembering what happened in Reloaded, all of it was swept under the rug and forgotten in favor of the pretty CGI.

I disliked Revolutions mainly because it's flat. No character development, it looks like a bad ep of Startrek all over again, they don't carry the scars and experiences of the past. Wait, Startrek was actually better, at least they could act! Everybody (except for the two "previously on Farscape" actors, of course) was acting like they would rather be somewhere else. Also, their behaviour didn't match the lines (not that the lines were any good to begin with). Take Neo: he's hurt blind and he doesn't even go "oh". Or Trinity, with a dozen stakes through her, she still manages to keep her cool and go on and on about yap yap yap. Totally unbelievable. And don't even get me started on the love (one of the main themes), that didn't look or feel like love to me although they talked a heckuva lot about it. Neo and Trinity kissing has just about as much passion as a needle in the eye.

As for the story it's bad, bad! Pieces put together nonsensically and lots of clichees there. Every now and then I had the feeling that the brothers saw or read this nice thing somewhere and decided to add it because it sounded cool and philosophical.

I could go on and on but it's late for me now, maybe some other time. :)

Matrix Revolutions did one good thing for me, though: it made me realize how much I miss good storytelling, great suspense, believable human(like) characters, and a true lovestory. You know what I'm talking about, don't you?


This is more or less my opinion, but I was afraid I might get pelted!! And why was there so much gratuitous use of Persephones assets??? Revolutions won't be in my DVD collection (I'm already regretting getting Re-loaded). My worry is that it will be made into a diabolical TV series or worse Matrix 4,5,6,7,8 etc. Dare I say it, but Terminator 3 was better...

[Darkflame]

I think people like hating films this days, i really do.
Revolutions was far better then Reloaded (no dance scene for one).

It had a great non-predictable plot, absolutely amazing visuals (not because of the quality of effects, but because of the imagination and design of the machines...err...machines).

The story had lots of neat ideas too.

Anyone who didnt see the ideas being explained, or thought it was all CG effects simply wasnt paying attention.
Most was explained.
In fact, a lot of it was deeper then the last film.
The only major thing that was "rushed" was the explanation for Neo remote-controlling.
I think its because has transcedid to another level of reality, a higher plan that the machines dont controll but might be aware of.
(Note : NOT another matrix, that yellow effect certainly wasnt computerish at all)


The only thing that pissed me off with revoltions was the guy at the start left his case :D

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The oracle certainly was "under" smith all along, she prepared herself somehow for him taken over her.
So she sent Neo the message at the last battle:
"Everything that has a beging has an end".

Thats why Smith looked confused when he said it, because he didnt, the oracle did though him.

I think what happened then was Neo realised what he had to do, he let Smith take him.

He hid under him, like the Oracle did.

The "king machine"/spiky thing somehow gave Neo the power to spread thoughout all the smiths.
He then diss-asembled them all like he did in the first film (hence the very simerlar effect)

However, in doing so Neo killed himself, or at very least his physical "shell" in the matrix (his avatar).

There is evidence that something of Neo is left however, because his "dead" body was still glowing like mad when viewed on the 'higher' yellow plan of reality.



Oh, the story isnt over.

We know this.

That little girl in the film?
The Oracle gave up her apperance for her servival, her parents swapped the Oracles termination code in exchange for the safe passage into the matrix.
(You think satan...i mea..the Malavigian/french guy would do it out of the goodness of his heart? hell no.)
He wanted to punish the Oracle for helping the humans, he used the code the girls parents gave him for that.

The oracle knew this would happen, but let it.
In the Enter the Matrix game she says the girl is vitial to the future of mankind and the machines.

She wasnt really vital in revolutions, so im gueseing she is vital in a future story.

Film? Game? Comic?

I dont know.

[CrystalMoon]

Darkflame,
Thanks for the explanation. That does sound interesting. I just wish I could've figured it out on my own. What you explained was not clear to me at all, and I go to a lot of movies and never have trouble following them. Ever. This one I did.

[Darkflame]

Originally posted by CrystalMoon

I felt like I needed a primer to understand this. And I also found that I didn't care what happened to the citizens of the city either. I didn't know them enough to care.


Thats not an excuse, Farscape had the exact same critism.

In order to have an interesting story, you have to refer to past elements constantly.
Its the only way to build up an epic tail and a connection to the charecters and world.

[Darkflame]

Originally posted by CrystalMoon
Darkflame,
Thanks for the explanation. That does sound interesting. I just wish I could've figured it out on my own. What you explained was not clear to me at all, and I go to a lot of movies and never have trouble following them. Ever. This one I did.

Well, thanks, i dont know it all, but i know enough to be confident that I will understand more viewing it again.

Dont have trouble understand movies?
Have you scene Donnie Darko? :D

[subject 117]

I agree with Darkflame.

I liked Revolution better then Reloaded ( but I still relay liked Reloaded) , and I thank Revolution was a lot more complicated And deep than people give it credit for.

Just my opinion of course

[MediaSavant]

After all the bad reviews, I expected to really hate this movie, but I kinda liked it.

The battle scenes were more than "just CGI", they were extremely artistic, visionary, and intriguing images. Below the data points that is CGI, lies an artistic vision and there was plenty of that here. I didn't expect that from the reviews.

I also love the Wachowski's vision of the human race as racially and gender mixed. Few SF films get it right in this area. They do.

I only saw the last half of the 2nd film, so I can't really address dropped threads and philosophical points.

I do know it became clear to me in this film that the humans can't win. The machines are too overwhelming. All the humans can eke out is what was done here--a truce.

Maybe that's why the ending made sense to me.

But, I must confess that I never got caught up in Matrix's small details. I can imagine if someone was, they'd be left a lot of questions that some of you asked here.

[Zantar]

well...thiksis the third matrix thread we have:). but i will say what i said in the thread that is in our TV DISCUSSION SECTION. I liked the movies plot and all that jazz. But it failed in acting, and the dialogue.

BTW thanks for someone finally explaining the ending to people. I got it and was thinking id have to go over it all now.

[PauNthWorlds]

Yah! While watching the movie I could remember the face until this morning, now I remember. The Prefect from 'A Perfect Murder'

[Selena]

Originally posted by Strj500
I was disappointed with the end too, was Neo dead or unconscious? It seems to me like needed to explain some more.

It ended on a 'cliff hanger' as far as I was concerned. One is left to wonder and speculate and it creates discussion about what is or might have been or where Neo is ... alive :dunno: dead :dunno: assimilated :borg:
I really enjoyed the movie. Sure it was shallow as far as dialog went but the original Matrix wasn't all that deep either - but it was entertaining and this was too.

[jfranka]

I'm too lazy to find the quotes. So those of you I am quoting, sorry.... :)

BTW, that guy in Matrix Revolutions and A Perfect Murder is the helicopter guy in the Mad Max sequels.






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The whole thing about how the second movie went into this and that of different philosphies, then they were all dropped.

I got the impression that those philosphies were being proven wrong one by one. Until the whole "Choice" philosophy was the only one "standing."

(We had the "purpose" philosophy, the "cause & effect" philosophy, etc, etc, etc. Please fogive my ignorance, I've never studied philosophy other than basic college course loooooooooong ago.)
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They didn't do ANYTHING with the Malovingian or the Persephone. I read an article about the actress who plays her. She was saying that she is an 'emotional vampire." And needed to drain the emotions of others. I did not see that. At all in this movie. (It explains her actions in the second movie, though...)

So these big heros come into the BDSM dance club, point guns at everyone, threaten, conjole, deal, and this big powerful enemy says. "Oh, have my trainman take care of it...."

I wanted to see what these two charactors can do! Persephone sounds like a real powerful charactor and all she did was look angry. (Although she looks REALLY GOOD looking angry...... :) ) They both could've done a lot more.
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I have to agree that it was flat. The only charactor I really enjoyed, other than looking at Persephone, :) (sorry.) was Smith. The guy who was posessed by Smith in Zion was great as well.

On that tangent, I think that when Smith took over Neo, Neo HIMSELF died. (Second movie: "What did it feel like?" "It felt like being back in that hallway. It felt like dieing.") Now a big part of Smith is Neo, and the rest of Smith is unplugged from the matrix. So when Smith posessed Neo, Neo died. When Neo died, the Smith program had to die, because it wasn't supported by anything from the matrix: It was supported solely by Neo's personality.

Neo HAD to die. Both he and Trinity had to die in the second movie. They CHOSE not to. Now the choose to die, hense this truce comes out.
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I don't think this is over either. Almost everything that the Architect predicted in the second movie has come true if Neo made the choice NOT to save Trinity:

Trinity died and there was nothing he could do to stop it.

Neo is dead, and "The One" is re-absorbed into the matrix.

Some people are released to repopulate Zion.

....the only thing that did not come true was that Zion was not destoyed.

That's because the computers CHOSE not to.








Whew......

[ctheokas]

From what I know of the film, Neo's dead, and the deal the Oracle cut with the Architect was that anyone who wanted to leave the Matrix could.

As for a continuing story, word is that they're going to do an online game like Everquest, and the players in the game are the ones who will decide where it goes. The Bros. W are developing it now.

I was disappointed in Revolutions. It was nice to look at, but that was about it. Anyone notice how bad the dialogue was? Or how many cliches that they used which didn't work?

[Sunderflame]

Awesome movie.....
I can't understand why some people got it and others didn't.
I myself didn't care for Reloaded....but this Revolutions was a great way to end it. I was out of my seat with this one. I reccomend those who want to really understand it re visit the original movie for a refresher course...I actually was going by myself and my husband came along...he loved it. He couldln't understand the bad reviews he thought it should be at least 3 stars..and he hates Science Fiction. I loved it and will be purchasing the DVD as soon as it hit's the market....Damn it was a fantastic movie especially if you get it...:whip: :smokin:

[Zegota]

Incredible movie. Reloaded was great for the plot and philosophy, but Revolutions throws most of that away for action (not every movie or show HAS to be a think fest). And Keanu is an underrated actor. Most people who bash him do it only because it's considered cool to do so. Like Orson Scott Card says, Keanu>Meryl Streep.

[studentsteve]

I liked all three movies but i though revolutions was better than reloaded. Reloaded as the movie progressed was starting to dissapear up its own arse with all the over the top dialogue. The architect was the worst of the lot. My girlfriend went to see revolutions with me under protest after seeing reloaded. She loved revolutions hated reloaded and loved the original movie. I have to say i thought the original is still the best because of the ideas it put across. Revolutions ending was left abit to open especially if they are definitely not going to make another movie.