Matrix Revolutions Discussion Thread

[Zantar]

Not sure if we have this yet, but i thought we deserved it. I thought the movie was good, but could have been so mcuh better. the love scenes were nearly unbearable though. and smoe of the dialogue was just plain bad.

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i liked the movie, i didn't expect the way the things got "resolved".

I found the last scene a little corny.

ABSOLUTELY LOVED the battle of Zion

Didn't like the fight Smith-vs-Neo at the end.

[generic_screenname]

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I thought it was funny that Neo couldn't figure out that the guy with the goatee was Agent Smith. He acted and sounded just like him, plus, who else calls him "Mr. Anderson."

You still haven't figured it out, have you, Mr. Anderson?

Who are you?

For God's sake, it's Smith, you freakin' stoner idiot! I guess Bill S. Preston, Esq. was the smart one.

[Kurt_eh]

Yeah, Generic

I thought so too. I was almost half-expecting him to say "Woah" when he figured it out ;) :D

[Zantar]

Honestly the movie would have been so much better had they gotten good actors in on it. Claudia and Ben could have nailed it:). the major fault was that Neo and Trinity simply were not acting well at all. Not to mention the dialogue just sucked.
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the plot i thought was good overally, and ended in a peace which made more sense than continued fighting. I liked the movie stylistically, and the fight scenes to.

[auroraSun]

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I liked the ending, only way to could have ended. I agree, the dialogues (especially the sappy ones) were way too long. The fight scenes in Zion were great. About Smith and Anderson: Neo was never that bright, pretty dense actually, so I could believe he didn't get it. Trinity's death was too melo-dramatic.

[Zantar]

Yah....keanu really sucks as an actor actually and Neo as a character usually cant figure things out very quickly at all. Like i said...better actors would have improved the movie ten fold. laurence fishburne is the only actor worth seeing.

[Hegemon]

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I'm rather disappointed by Revolutions. Very disappointed would be more appropriate. I'm a big fan of the original Matrix and I get goosebumps just thinking about what an incredible trilogy this could have been. Now that I saw that trainwreck they'd like to call a movie, I'm just sad.

The Trinity death scene was possibly the longest, most contrived, outright cheesiest, and most ridiculous death scene in cinematic history. I'm glad they killed her off - I applaud them for that, but when I had to look at my watch three times during that scene, I think that says something. Honestly, some of the dialogue in this movie is embarassing. My 10 year old cousin could write more meaningful and less ridiculous conversations.

The Zion battle was visually amazing, yes, but too long. We spent 40 minutes watching Zion being saved by a bunch of characters we don't really care much for and then we go to Neo. It was just not good pacing, IMO.

I like that the movie didn't answer all the questions, but I would have liked to see them at least answer some of the questions in an intelligent manner. I wanted to see more of the Architect, more why Smith is Smith, more Neo. I didn't want to see Neo stuck in a train station version of purgatory for the first 30 minutes of the movie. The ending felt so rushed. I hated how the characters built up in the last movie (the French guy with the incredibly unspellable name that starts with an M) ended up being nothing but plot devices casually discarded when their time was up.

On the other hand, my expectations were probably way too high. But I can't help feeling let down. I bet Revolutions is much better when viewed consecutively after the first two films. I just feel cheated that this was the heralded end to the Matrix universe when in fact, it just looks like they're setting up for Matrix 4 - Finding Neo.

I wish they'd combined Reloaded and the first 1.5 hours of Revolutions into one movie.

Good things about Revolutions:
1.) Smith stole the show. That last battle in the rain was truly a clash of the titans.
2.) The siege of Zion battle was visually astounding.
3.) Keanu Reeves is hot.

[Famira Damaris]

I still hold fast that the first one was better - the other two movies were really just unnecessary closure. I loved the first one.

The graphics are as kickass forever - but the Battle of Zion did go on a tad long (I think I prefer Helm's Deep), and the "love" was really just like watching two rocks having sex. oo; It wasn't exactly believable, I'll just put it at that.

The dialogue was so clumsy, it actually made that of Star Wars look fluid in comparision. There was a lot that could've been done but they didn't follow up. I kept thinking many parts of the movie kept reminding me of other ones. x_o;

I dunno...it's not worth the ticket price.

[PKTechDude]

Personally I liked the movie quite a bit. Sure it had some cheesy moments ("The war is over! The war is OVER!! ZION! THE WAR IS OVER!") and there simply wasn't any emotion in the movie, but I think it was a great conclusion to the trilogy. There simply wasn't any other way for the trilogy to end, IMO. I still prefer the Lord of the Rings movies over the Matrix trilogy but I still wasn't disappointed with Revolutions. Then again I wasn't really expecting much when I went into the theater...

[SeasonOfDeath]

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I saw it and was a little dissapointed.
Loved the FX.. the battle of the equal but opposite forces via Neo and Smith were visually spectacular, but it could've played out better. Neo could've tried to reason with Smith, to show him that
continuing the battle would be just an exercise in futility. In that sense Neo could've been more clearly ruled the victor.
But I guess that wouldn't have been as exciting as having Smith blow apart in a fit of madness as his program was destroyed by TPTB at Machine City.

The battle for Zion was a good storyline and segues well from Reloaded. I would've preferred to see Neo lead more of a Revolution inside the Matrix instead of waiting for a damn train, though. Is this asking to much of an "Action" film?

[Diania]

Am I the only Link fan here? I guess I like the guys that don't get enough attention. Link, Stark....

I am sad that Aaliyah did not get to play Zee, due to her death. :(

[vikingscaper]

I liked Revolutions up until the end where it lost me. In my opinion, here is how I would rank the movies in the trilogy:

#1. The Matrix
#2. The Matrix Reloaded
#3. The Matrix Revolutions

[brokendj23]

), and the "love" was really just like watching two rocks having sex.
well if u go by what that guy said in the train station, love is only a word

[Famira Damaris]

Originally posted by brokendj23
well if u go by what that guy said in the train station, love is only a word

I'm talking both about their physical interaction (the kissing and the whole scene in Zion) and their emotional one - you see the motions, but there's no real feeling in them.

[witchdoctor]

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(BUT if you haven't seen the movie and are reading a thread titled Matrix Revolutions discussion, you are asking for spoilers! So no spoiler space)

All in all I enjoyed the movie. Visually stunning and great FX. Good as an action flick. The Zion battle scene and final battle with Agent Smith were great. In fact, I think Agent Smith is probably my favorite character out of the movies. (Hey, wouldn't it be a great joke on someone to get a whole whole bunch of people dressed in identical black agent suits to go to a showing of Matrix, then walk down either side of the theater in two lines of two abreast, then sit around the person)

Some inconsistancies did bother me about the movie though.

First, where did Neo's super powers outside of the Matrix come from? There was no explanation of why he could all of a sudden blow up sentinels and robots with a wave of his hand. Granted he could do so in the matrix because he was somehow manipulating the code, but how did he gain the ability to do so in real life? It made me wonder if we were going to find out at the end that what was thought real life was actually another layer of the matrix. I don't remember; did he actually kill the sentinels at the end of Matrix Reloaded, or was that only alluded to in Matrix Revolutions? Oh, and why was he suddenly able to interface with the matrix without the hook ups?

Second, how did Agent Smith get the power to take over other programs? This doesn't bother me quite so much because the agent programs always had the ability to take over people and this could be viewed as an extension of that. Still, was the Smith 1.1 upgrade ever explained? Again, I don't remember Matrix Reloaded well enough.

While I'm at it, there is still one really big logical inconsistantly that bothers me in the original Matrix. The whole reason people were being kept by the machines was as a source of power because the sun was blocked off in the original war. But where is the source of food for the humans? If there is no sunlight, then there will be no crops grown or lifestock feed. Even if human bodies generate small currents, they still need a source of energy (food) to do so.

I thought it was interesting that they called the french guy the Merovingian. The Merovingians were the line of french kings that were supposedly descended from Jesus (if you follow the Grail conspiracy theories). There seemed to be some other JC (no not Chrichton) referrences. After Neo defeated Agent Smith, he seemed to be in an arms extended on the crucifix type of pose. I didn't see any coherent allogories there though, just bits and pieces.

The whole train station thing seemed a little vague. Very interesting, but why was Neo suddenly trapped there? It just seemed to come out of nowhere (in terms of the plot and background). It is supposedly the only way to get something out of the Matrix to the real world and the Indian couple were trying to get their daughter out of the Matrix, but it was in the Matrix that she ended up. It seems there are inconsistancies.

Did any of these things bother anyone else?

[Tiriel]

Originally posted by Famira Damaris
(...)and the "love" was really just like watching two rocks having sex. http://forums.scaperoute.com/kansas/smilies/wide-eyed.gifhttp://forums.scaperoute.com/kansas/smilies/wide-eyed.gifhttp://forums.scaperoute.com/kansas/smilies/wide-eyed.gifhttp://forums.scaperoute.com/kansas/smilies/wide-eyed.gif
Woah! Some people's hobbies.... http://forums.scaperoute.com/kansas/smilies/wide-eyed.gif

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Generally speaking I liked the films, although the original stands head and shoulders above the other two. They were technically well executed, but lacked on the dialoge side. And although I have never actually observed two rocks having sex, I have to agree with everybody else that there wasn't enough chemistry...then again, had it been Ben and Claudia, there might have been mass-suicides in the theater, whcih wouldn't have been good either :D

What I mourn most is the fumbled philosophical concept. Given all the points the good witchdoctor has already made, everything points to the fact that the "outside" is just another illusion (which would neatly explain Neo's ability to "magically" kill off the machines and the fact that Agent Smith was able to "leave" the matrix and infect a human being on the "outside").
It looks like that's what they were headed for, but then they couldn't come up with a cool idea as what that next layer could be and decided to scrap it all (or leave it for the sequel).

The first Matrix was so revolutionary and impresive (at least for me), because it introduced complex philosophical concepts in a way that was fairly easy to understand and everybody could relate to through their everyday lives. I thought The Matrix was one of the nicest explanations of Emptiness (as stemming from the Buddhist believe-system) made to fit the tech-oriented Western mind I had ever heard. They could have pushed it further, much further and I'm somewhat disappointed that they didn't, but appart from that it was still a very entertaining movie.

"Don't try to bend the spoon, just be aware that there is no spoon."

Love and Peace and Ah Well, Another Time :)

Tiriel :bounce:

[Famira Damaris]

*L* Good points. I loved the first movie myself. It just seemed like the farther into the story (the second and third movies), things just started to fall on their faces. They had a lot of interesting places they could've gone, but they didn't. :\

Well, when I meant "two rocks having sex", I meant their relationship. It seemed non-existent. :p

[witchdoctor]

Originally posted by generic_screenname
I thought it was funny that Neo couldn't figure out that the guy with the goatee was Agent Smith. He acted and sounded just like him, plus, who else calls him "Mr. Anderson."

You still haven't figured it out, have you, Mr. Anderson?

Who are you?

For God's sake, it's Smith, you freakin' stoner idiot! I guess Bill S. Preston, Esq. was the smart one.

Yes, it seemed it took entirely too long for Neo to recognize the guy as Agent Smith. The inflections, speech patterns, everything screamed out "I'm agent Smith!"

[atomicblue]

I liked all three, amazingly enough. I resisted part 2, anf then of course hubby and I HAD to see #3 with the way #2 ended. The freeway scene in #2 was kick ass! That was pretty amazing.


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The way the replaced the oracle though in #3 was pretty sucky.
I agree as well, I knew it was Mr. Smith from the get go.
I mean, how dumb do they think we are. Trinity's death scene was really drawn out. I think a howl of "NOOOOOOOOO" would have been much more appropriate. It was kinda wooden, as if neo didn't really care for some odd reason.
All in all, the series is pretty entertaining.

[frellyou]

I haven't seen this yet but so far it has been incredibly disappointing at the box office making only about $133 million and is all but dead. This is even more so considering the total lack of competition. I guess the audience didn't want to be fooled a second time into watching a horrible film. I'm actually glad this happened because those Wachowski brothers got so full of themselves.

[Zegota]

Yes, I'm sure the Brothers are severly disappointed in their $133 million and growing </sarcasm>. For the record, Warner Brothers said they were disappointed, but no one actually involved in the movie reported anything but joy. And there's no proof that they made the sequels just for money, like everyone says. As you can tell, I loved the third movie, and I'll be first in line to buy it when it comes out on DVD. I also disagree with the notion that Keanu is a horrible actor. Someone above said that it doesn't even look like he is trying, but that's the point. Most of these famous actors and actresses, Nicole Kidman and Meryl Streep come to mind, try way to hard, IMO.

[frellyou]

Well it cost about $150 to make plus another $30 to market so $133 million and dead in the water with no other competition at the box office is pretty disappointing domestically anyway. This is especially true considering the fanbase and how much the last film made despite being pretty bad. Now the film made a ton of money internationally and it'll probably kill in dvd sales but this just goes to show you that you can't fool the audience twice, only George Lucas can do that.

[Frellster]

WOW!!!!!!!

I just saw this movie tonight Dec 12th. Avoided this thread 'till now. HEY - ANYONE THINK OF A NON-SPOILER MOVIE RECOMENDATION THREAD???

Since this isn't one, mine includes Spoilers too.

So, I saw the first 2. Didn't see the third 'till now because I was disappointed with the second - then I started thinking about the only scene I really liked in the second movie - the Zion dancing/sex scence, and how I was worried about the lives of everyone in Zion and about Neo & Trinity's love. So what if noone reccomended the third move. I was gonna see it anyway!

So, I did - and O - BOY am I glad I did! It started out surreal, with Neo trapped in a train station. I loved that! Then they had a shootout in the Crazy French program's S&M club. Cool. Trin, way cool the way she pulled her gun on Frenchy to rescue Neo. I love her. The Zion battle was awsome. I especially liked the two women sneaking around with the shoulder missle launcher to shoot at the big drill. (this movie really inspired me to work out my arms more) Neo getting blinded. Interesting. There's symbolism there, probobly. Trin dying *gulp* I got all weepy eyed. They love eachother so much. There's just so much freak'in love in Zion!!!!! I want to move there, wear a ripped cotton sweater, show off my arms, and fall in love with some sexy man. Women and men are true equals there, and everyone gets the chance to be a hero.
Neo stopped the War. He was the antiviral program fighting the smith computer viral worm. He sacraficed himself. He hit the reset button and made the Matrix pretty again - and he saved Zion. whoa. " Everything that has a beginning has an end." - for everything, turn , turn , turn, there is a season... its the circle of life, and it moves us all.... OK I'll stop singing - its just so damn beautiful. THE END

[Zegota]

Heh, Frellster, that was the only scene that I DIDN'T like in the second movie. Oh well, to each his own I guess...