America vs. Europe!

[Roland]

Watching the "least fav. character" thread I thought this would be interesting to know. ;)

[Roland]

Australian or rest of world? Vote European to even the votes cast!!! There is a lot more Americans then rest of worlders on the board. ;)

[Darth Buddha]

Interesting idea, Roland...

With so many opitons you'll need a substantial sample size to tell if there are real differences..

[Roland]

Originally posted by Darth Buddha
Interesting idea, Roland...

With so many opitons you'll need a substantial sample size to tell if there are real differences..

Mayby we can edit it down after a while. Filtering out the not so popular...And then creating a new poll with the top 5(?) favorites.

[LT Garrix]

I think it's pretty obvious where I stand, Crais. It's the whole bad boy and then ambiguous side of his behavior that drew me to him. What can I say? I like tall, dark and mysterious (not to mention handsome and sexy). Surprisingly my hubby is very much like John Cricthon, dirty blond hair, blue eyes, from the South.

[Darth Buddha]

Crais would be my number two, and I do in fact identify with the "redeemed" Crais more than any other character.

[VBKatLou]

Roland dear, how long have you gone without a cigarette this time? :rollin:


Exactly what does this poll mean? Are you asking if I prefer an American John or Aeryn over a European John and Aeryn? The only John and Aeryn I want to see is Ben Browder and Claudia Black. I don't care where they're from. :)

[MJS]

Interesting, yes. Problem: I´m Aeryn drooler but I identify with cpt. Crais most. Now which one gets my vote?

p.s. I voted Aeryn anyway, I'm just a guy ;)

[Roland]

Originally posted by VBKatLou
Roland dear, how long have you gone without a cigarette this time? :rollin:


Exactly what does this poll mean? Are you asking if I prefer an American John or Aeryn over a European John and Aeryn? The only John and Aeryn I want to see is Ben Browder and Claudia Black. I don't care where they're from. :)

:rollin: NO! If YOU are from America you vote on your favorite character next to (A)! ;)

[VBKatLou]

Ahhhh.............

:wstupid:

[ctheokas]

It'll be interesting to see how this turns out.

[tesseract]

Cool idea! I went with Aeryn (A). She's both my favorite character and the one I identify with the most (plus I'm American :D), so it was an easy choice.

[Judith]

Yeah, this is very interesting Roland. I'm definately gonna keep checking up on this to see how things compare after more people vote.

Well, I'm American, and I voted for Aeryn. I can identify with her the most, and I feel that she's gone through so many really interesting changes.

[Frunium Slip]

Originally posted by Roland
:rollin: NO! If YOU are from America you vote on your favorite character next to (A)! ;)

And here I thought you were just after a nomination for the Dren-stirer Frelly Award.

Reminds me, I must appease my favorite Swedish turnip by paying homage to his favorite screamin' redhead, maybe if I prostrate myself I'll be redeemed from all my past misdeeds, then again, I could just be a gift for the altar, can hear the condemnation now, in a very dry droll: contemplate this on the tree of woe, crucify him.

[grapeshot]

Did you quit smoking? Really? So did I. A year ago.

[trubador]

:think: hmmmm..... I wonder who it was that voted for Jool (E)???....
..... who could it be?..... hmmmm... :think:

[ScorpSik]

GREAT THREAD, ROLAND!!!


*Chains self to the forum railings, in magnificent Emily Pankhurst style*

'Vote's for Sikozu! Vote's for Sikozu!':whip:

[Bekka Horror]

ah i wondered who the other sikosu vote was from, (i did asume you) i take it this means your from europe?

and at the moment john is definately a more american favourate 16 american to 3 europian votes

[Roland]

Originally posted by Frunium Slip
And here I thought you were just after a nomination for the Dren-stirer Frelly Award.

Reminds me, I must appease my favorite Swedish turnip by paying homage to his favorite screamin' redhead, maybe if I prostrate myself I'll be redeemed from all my past misdeeds, then again, I could just be a gift for the altar, can hear the condemnation now, in a very dry droll: contemplate this on the tree of woe, crucify him.

Nominations not needed...I would win every time! :D

Ps. You will be redeemed when hell freezes over!

;)

[Roland]

Originally posted by grapeshot
Did you quit smoking? Really? So did I. A year ago.

4 weeks now...tick tack......tick tack...... :aok:

[Judith]

Originally posted by Bekka Horror


and at the moment john is definately a more american favourate 16 american to 3 europian votes

Makes sense. His character is very American, so I guess other Americans may relate to him better.

[Judith]

Originally posted by Roland
4 weeks now...tick tack......tick tack...... :aok:

Good luck Roland.

Me...I quit a few months ago, and haven't screwed up. I think what did it this time was really wanting to do this for myself rather than other people. (My boyfriend, My parents...who didn't know I smoked, but my mom lost her mom to lung cancer, and I didn't want to have to someday tell her that I'd learned nothing from that, and had been smoking ever since I moved out, and that should would have to watch me struggle with the same disease because of that.). But this time...about a week after I quit, my friend was over, and we had gone out onto my balcony so she could smoke. And I was craving one...but I when I looked down at her pack of cigarretes...I got this "No, I don't want this in my life anymore" feeing that I had never had in my previous attempts to quit.

[ScorpSik]

Originally posted by Bekka Horror
ah i wondered who the other sikosu vote was from, (i did asume you) i take it this means your from europe?

and at the moment john is definately a more american favourate 16 american to 3 europian votes

Abso-ruddy-lutely Bekka!!

In old Blighty - the home counties:D

As for JC... he's waaaaaay too loud + boorish for me

[Darth Buddha]

Originally posted by ScorpSik
Abso-ruddy-lutely Bekka!!

In old Blighty - the home counties:D

As for JC... he's waaaaaay too loud + boorish for me

Isn't that the stereotypical almost joke regarding European's perceptions of Americans?

Just as the joke for Americans is that Europeans are insufferably arrogant?

Might provide an interesting explanation if differences continue to develop... Americans tolerate boorish and dislike arrogance, and Europeans vice versa?

[Judith]

Originally posted by Darth Buddha
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Might provide an interesting explanation if differences continue to develop... Americans tolerate boorish and dislike arrogance, and Europeans vice versa?

Or maybe it's a POV/sympathy thing? Instead of tolerance? Maybe Americans are less like likely to view JC as boorish, while Europeans don't really view Sikozou as arrogant?

On a side note, I've got to start using the word boorish more often.

[Judith]

Although, actually, I just looked at the poll again. It appears that so far JC is the second most popular character amongst people from Europe who have voted in this poll. Granted, it's a small sample, so I don't know if that means anything. But I think it does show that it might be too early to say that JC is not popular in Europe.

[Roland]

Look!!! Jool is much more popular in Europe! :D

[ScorpSik]

Originally posted by Darth Buddha
Isn't that the stereotypical almost joke regarding European's perceptions of Americans?

Just as the joke for Americans is that Europeans are insufferably arrogant?

Might provide an interesting explanation if differences continue to develop... Americans tolerate boorish and dislike arrogance, and Europeans vice versa?

This is most interesting.

I know Americans who are quite quiet people, but JC is certainly one of the loud types, that personally, I endeavour to avoid (I don't just mean Americans... but loud + overconfident people in general)
JC has an 'overpowering' confidence... Sikozu's is a quieter, more internalised confidence. I haven't seen it as arrogance, but then I guess she's more like the sort of people with whom I socialise, so of course, I find that way appealing.

Are Europeans seen as arrogant? I know we Brits are 'traditionally' insular and reserved, but I didn't know we were thought of as arrogant...:cool:

I do, however, recognise certain familiar traits in Sikozu, but again, those traits feel pleasantly comfortable:ewink:

[Darth Buddha]

Those are just stereotypes.

Of the Brits and Aussies I've known, I've loved them. Not reserved... funny as hell though.

Of the Germans and Croats I've worked for, YES they were confident, but they were equal opportunity when it came to claiming/giving credit. I NEVER got as much credit as I did from them

It was just a potential read. I hope I didn't dis' anyone.

[Roland]

Not a single vote on big D!!! wow! I thought he would be more popular then this... :candle:

[grinner]

Most French people that I know are very vain and arrogant. But I only know 5... now Polish people... they are fun times... I have never partied with a crazier group of people than Poles.

[Judith]

Originally posted by ScorpSik


Are Europeans seen as arrogant? I know we Brits are 'traditionally' insular and reserved, but I didn't know we were thought of as arrogant...:cool:



It IS a stereotype, but only a stereotype just like it's American counterpart. By only a stereotype, I guess I mean...out of the people I hang out with...can't speak for everyone...I guess we usually feel it's important to be aware of how we as a society DO stereotype people, in order to avoid being sucked into judging people based on what is not...very informed information.

I don't think I make sense right now.

[Darth Buddha]

Low turnout for Big D... I'll bet that is because he is the NUMBER 2 favorite for a lot of folks.

In truth, Roland, with counts like these, you would have been better off opening it up to vote for as many as you like (with warnings not to "split" votes... i.e. I vote for one as an American, and another as a European, just to Frell with the magnificent Scaper Swede).

But that's Monday Morning Quarterbacking, as we Yanks like to call it. I might have called it differently, but how many polls have I screwed up to figure some of this stuff out?

I've lost count. And I still screw up... my last poll sucked so much I'm going to delete it tomorrow and repost it.

[Roland]

Buddha, please re-post this poll if you have a good way of making it better! :) Your the master poller around here, so your help would be appriciated! :cool:

[Darth Buddha]

Roland, let it play out for a while longer.

If we do want to Monday Morning quarterback, I'll be glad to kibbitz, but I'm not going to steal your thunder (i.e. a repost belongs to you, if called for).

[Third EYe]

If I shave and come back, can I vote again?

[Darth Buddha]

Actually, Roland, you are getting enough counts to discrimminate between the "leads"... in time the "supporting" characters might be teased out. If not, I suggest we given them a separate poll in a week or three.

If you exclude John and Aeryn, I suspect the differences in international votes for the supporting case would be VERY interesting!

But I might just have to run some stats on this this weekend... say a Chi-Square on American vs. European preferences for leads vs. Supporting Characters (I think we have enough counts to make it meaningful). If trends continue, separate analyses for Different Preference for John, for Aeryn, and for Chiana (maybe even Rygel?) could be done.

But I am NOT going to do a Bonferoni correction for multiple comparisons! No conservative tests! Bwahahaha!

(Statistician MADNESS):goof:

[Darth Buddha]

:bump:

[Roland]

Cool Buddha! :)

[VBKatLou]

I voted for John. I must say though that I liked him better in the first 2 seasons. He didn't start getting too loud and boorish (I like that word too J_S) until mid season 3 and then 4. I hope in future episodes he makes more of an effort to solve problems with his brain instead of his pulse pistol.

As far as sterotypes - don't like 'em don't use 'em.

[godcha]

I like Aeryn & John almost equally but since I find Aeryn very sexy I voted for her :D

[I am living in Dutchland, hehe]

[Jellyfish]

I took the liberty of crunching the numbers and this is what they say.

17% of Europeans voted for John and 35% of Americans http://users.pandora.be/eforum/emoticons4u/crazy/289.gif
59% of Europeans voted for Aeryn and 29% of Americans http://users.telenet.be/eforum/emoticons4u/love/641.gifhttp://users.telenet.be/eforum/emoticons4u/love/806.gif
9% of Europeans voted for Chiana and 12% of Americans.http://users.pandora.be/eforum/emoticons4u/crazy/1065.gif

Votes for the other cast members are probably too low to draw any conclusions buy worth noting are that .....

1. The only votes for Jool and Sikozu were from Europe
2. 15% of Americans went for Zaahn, Rygel or Stark but only 1 (3%) European (probably of American decent).

So what does this tell us????? God only knows (and Darth Budda).

On the John/Aeryn vote could it be that a higher proportion of scapers in Europe are men? I don't think so but maybe.
On the Zaahn/Rygel/Stark vote could it really be as simple as the fact that the USA is a more diverse culture more easily accepting 'aliens'.
And as to the Jool/Sikozu vote could it be that we Europeans are more used to cold strong women? (Margaret Thatcher/ the Queen/ Catherine Deneuve/ Lilly Savage)?

[Darth Buddha]

Sorry, forgot to run tests for significance.

Pretty sure there will be significance for John vs. Aeryn, and either of them vs. all other choices. Probably for Chiana vs. all other choices too.

The rest, not very likely. But I'll run it and give the exact p-values next time I'm running SAS.

[Bekka Horror]

also sikosu is NOT cold (and im sure roland would disagree with you about jool)

edited as a peace offering

[Hammer]

I voted John - American. I've only seen the first 2 seasons completely though, since I bought the Season 1 & Season 2 boxed sets 3 1/2 weeks ago. I tried to pace myself because I have a compulsive disorder I believe, but unfortunately finished both seasons a week ago, and am now having withdrawals.

If VBKatLou is correct then maybe I'll change my tune with the next 2 seasons. I did see a handful of the final season's episodes (the last 5 or 6) but didn't see the finale thankfully (so I can at least be surprised).

I do like Aeryn's character alot also, but in the first 2 seasons John's gotten to play the character every guy would love to play.

[Jellyfish]

Posted by Bekka Horror
hell most of our cultures (and therefore a large portion of american culture) can be traced to other countrys, when they raped, pillaged and/or invaded us (vikings, normons, romans)Maybe but I don't think being raped by a Viking entitles you to claim that you are culturally diverse!!. Also mixing with a few Danish, French and Italians over the last 1000 years hardly competes with the vast mix of people who have populated America over the last 100 years.
As to Sikozu I am a big fan of hers but you wouldn't say she was exactly the warm friendly come in sit down and have a cup of tea type would you?

[Roland]

Originally posted by Jellyfish
I took the liberty of crunching the numbers and this is what they say.

17% of Europeans voted for John and 35% of Americans http://users.pandora.be/eforum/emoticons4u/crazy/289.gif
59% of Europeans voted for Aeryn and 29% of Americans http://users.telenet.be/eforum/emoticons4u/love/641.gifhttp://users.telenet.be/eforum/emoticons4u/love/806.gif
9% of Europeans voted for Chiana and 12% of Americans.http://users.pandora.be/eforum/emoticons4u/crazy/1065.gif

Votes for the other cast members are probably too low to draw any conclusions buy worth noting are that .....

1. The only votes for Jool and Sikozu were from Europe
2. 15% of Americans went for Zaahn, Rygel or Stark but only 1 (3%) European (probably of American decent).

So what does this tell us????? God only knows (and Darth Budda).

On the John/Aeryn vote could it be that a higher proportion of scapers in Europe are men? I don't think so but maybe.
On the Zaahn/Rygel/Stark vote could it really be as simple as the fact that the USA is a more diverse culture more easily accepting 'aliens'.
And as to the Jool/Sikozu vote could it be that we Europeans are more used to cold strong women? (Margaret Thatcher/ the Queen/ Catherine Deneuve/ Lilly Savage)?

Thank you Jellyfish!!! :aok: :hug:

[B Sharp]

totally didn't 'get' the poll- had to read half the thread to see what Roland was trying to do...

I'm wondering where an Asian, Latin American, or Canadian Scaper would vote....probably not on this poll, unless I miss my guess.

[Jaxa Logan]

Have to go with Jool here. Just love her!!
Scorpy is a close second.
Jax

[Roland]

Originally posted by B Sharp
totally didn't 'get' the poll- had to read half the thread to see what Roland was trying to do...

I'm wondering where an Asian, Latin American, or Canadian Scaper would vote....probably not on this poll, unless I miss my guess.

Canada IS in America...and so are Latin America. Asia is harder to fit in I must agree. :D They can gladly post in Europe's check-boxes! ;)

[Bekka Horror]

edited as a peace offering

[Selena]

Only problem I can see is that I, like many others, don't have just one favorite character so won't vote on this poll.

[Trasig]

its not hard to understand why John is the american favorite :)

For example when hes at the scarren base with the pkbitch, brakka and so on..

he runs in with an Abomb pretending to be al quida or something and answers the question: What do u want chrichton? with the simple all american favorite; CAPITALISM :)

[Nicola]

Well, I am a Canadian, and I read the rules and voted in the American side of the poll.

But it was interesting that when Jellyfish crunched the numbers, my preference lined up nicely with the European side of the poll.

[ScorpSik]

Originally posted by Jellyfish
As to Sikozu I am a big fan of hers but you wouldn't say she was exactly the warm friendly come in sit down and have a cup of tea type would you?

Um.....yes.:cool:

[thxprincess]

I voted for Stark...I always fall for the crazy ones. ;)

[rifraf]

Oh my lord,, Do I need to call George W. in to stop this bickering on who's better? You know that he would say that JC is the NUMBER ONE GUY of Farscape!!


....that's why I voted for Chi :D

[Frunium Slip]

Originally posted by Nicola
Well, I am a Canadian, and I read the rules and voted in the American side of the poll.

But it was interesting that when Jellyfish crunched the numbers, my preference lined up nicely with the European side of the poll.

Perfectly understandable if you were French-Canadian...

[scapergin]

John is my favorite for many reasons but the #1 reason(and yes its superfical): he is just so DAMN HOT!:bowdown:

[Roland]

Originally posted by rifraf
Oh my lord,, Do I need to call George W. in to stop this bickering on who's better? You know that he would say that JC is the NUMBER ONE GUY of Farscape!!


....that's why I voted for Chi :D

:rollin: :aok:

[Nicola]

Originally posted by Frunium Slip
Perfectly understandable if you were French-Canadian...

Nope, Albertan. Prairie province. But my Dad was in the military and we did travel around a lot.

[NebariNixar]

I'm not sure what's more surprising, that Chi's scoring so low or that D'Argo's scoring even lower.

NebariNixar
www.nebari.net
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[rifraf]

I figured that JC & AS would get the most votes, but I am shocked at the low numbers for the poor Luxan,, I would have imagined that there would be more fans.

[JrMissToughChick]

wate isn't John the only American character?
I voted Aeryn American but she is not :) I get it I am playing with you. JS I voted Aeryn for the same reasons you stated.

Much Love,
~JrMTC~

[JrMissToughChick]

I forgot Her post was on the first page duh ok sorry.

[Diania]

I am going to have to stand by Stark. American Stark fan. A couple of my friends are Stark fans, but are sadly not on the board. *sigh*

[DRD 1812]

Johnny. American boy. :)