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Jen10122
11-14-2003, 05:04 PM
Compromise Would Not Open Artic Refuge to Oil Drilling

WASHINGTON (Nov. 14) - Congressional Republicans on Friday finished a draft of a broad energy bill that would double Americans' use of ethanol, improve reliability of the nation's power lines and aim billions of dollars in tax breaks to energy industries.




GOP lawmakers called it a path to ''restructuring energy in this country'' and said it would provide tens of thousands of jobs and bring greater stability into an energy sector stung by sharp price volatility, impending shortages and power blackouts.

But even as details of the massive draft bill, which is said to cover 1,700 pages, were being printed, Democrats complained about the Republican priorities. And they groused about the bill being crafted behind closed doors in negotiations among only Republican lawmakers.

''I think we're being asked to take it or leave it,'' said Sen. Jeff Bingaman, D-N.M., who led the Senate Democrats on the energy conference. He predicted some parts of the bill ''will give heartburn'' to many Democrats in the Senate.

While approval of the bill is virtually assured by the House, probably next week, it is likely to provoke a dustup in the Senate.

Democrats - as well as some moderate Republicans - have strongly objected to a provision in the bill that would protect makers of MTBE, a gasoline additive that is contaminating water supplies, from product liability lawsuits.




Sen. Pete Domenici, R-N.M., chairman of the energy conference, said he hoped ''there will be a strong surge'' to get the bill through and avoid delays in the Senate.

Domenici and Rep. Billy Tauzin, R-La., head of the House conferees, provided only a broad outline of the bill at a news conference Friday. They said the details would be made public Saturday when the text of the bill is provided to Democrats.

But these major provisions are in the bill, according to the lawmakers:

-A doubling of ethanol production for gasoline to 5 billion gallons a year by 2012.

-Billions of dollars in tax incentives for producers of oil, natural gas, clean coal and nuclear power. The size of the tax package has yet to be made public, but discussions have ranged from $16 billion to $20 billion, the majority going to traditional energy industries.

-Authority and financial help to build a $20 billion pipeline to bring natural gas from Alaska's North Slope.

-Mandatory reliability requirements for high-voltage power lines and incentives to spur power line production.

-Tax incentives aimed at improving energy efficiency of homes and some appliances and at encouraging use of renewable energy sources such as solar, wind, biodiesel.

-A requirement to speed up permits and easing of some environmental rules to promote energy development on public lands.

Calling the bill comprehensive and balanced, Energy Secretary Spencer Abraham said it ''reflects the president's energy priorities'' and Congress should move swiftly to pass it.

Still, the measure does not include one of Bush's top energy goals: opening the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge in Alaska to oil development. The provision was dropped after it became clear that Democrats and Republican moderates in the Senate would scuttle the whole bill over Arctic refuge drilling.

''Everything we worked on would be dead,'' said Domenici, when asked why the Arctic refuge provision was not included.

Energy legislation has been a top priority of the White House. President Bush said he wanted a bill this year, calling it both an economic and national security issue. Pressure on lawmakers to push through a bill increased in August when a power blackout hit all or parts of eight states in the Midwest and Northeast.

But getting a bill has not been easy. Both the House and Senate passed significantly different versions of the bill earlier this year.

House and Senate Republicans wrangled for weeks over various issues, from how to deal with the MTBE additive and ethanol taxes to whether the bill should include price supports for Alaska natural gas as part of the deal to build the Alaska pipeline.

Only Vice President Dick Cheney's intervention brought agreement on ethanol taxes, a key part of the plan to expand ethanol use.

Tauzin marveled Friday at the prospect of an energy bill - the first overhaul of the country's energy agenda in a decade - ''without a major energy crisis'' facing the country.

He characterized the legislation as ''in essence a jobs bill'' predicting that hundreds of thousands of jobs would be produced as a result of expanded government support for clean coal research, increased energy production and development of new energy sources and technology.

Democrats were skeptical, suggesting the bill does little to reduce U.S. dependence on foreign oil and fails to reduce energy consumption in transportation, especially auto fuel economy. Nor, they argue, does it wean America away from dependence on fossil fuels such as coal and petroleum.

Rep. John Dingell, D-Mich., one of the House conferees, said of the GOP-crafted bill, ''I suspect it will needlessly endanger the environment, hurt consumers and investors and provide unaffordable subsidies to the energy industries.''


11/14/03 17:42 EST

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Antrobus
11-14-2003, 06:38 PM
What, they stopped their 30+ hour judge marathon finally?

grinner
11-14-2003, 07:54 PM
That marathon made a point.

LadyCrais
11-14-2003, 10:40 PM
Sure did. Emphasized their complete stupidity. The very last thing I want in my congress is a bunch of idiots trying to legislate by publicity stunt.

What I want to know about this energy bill, is where the retooling the infrastructure for the hydrogen economy is. It's not even mentioned. I also thought I'd been given to understand that ethanol additives to gasoline have the primary effect of trashing your car engine and so I shouldn't ever use them. Have they actually fixed that?

grinner
11-14-2003, 10:47 PM
No... and it still destroys your engine. Unless it is used in a mixture with Bio-Diesel and run in a Diesel Vehicle. It is in a gasoline engine that it causes the harm. It affects the Octane rating... giving it a false high octane. But it doesn't prevent pinging... as it burns hotter than 100% gas. So by running your car on ethanol, your car's knock sensor is always in safety mode with ends up using more fuel per mile than gas without ethanol.

fermicat
11-15-2003, 08:57 AM
Originally posted by grinner
That marathon made a point.

Maybe not the point they were trying to make, however.

Darth Buddha
11-15-2003, 09:16 AM
Originally posted by fermicat
Maybe not the point they were trying to make, however.

I agree there. 168 judges got their vote, and only 4 were so far out as to get blocked. Pretty tolerant.

Moreover, I find extremists of both colors objectionable. Liberals do go way beyond the constitution, while Conservatives want to ignore not only precedents, but things that ARE in the Constitution, like the sepration of church and state, as well as some of the later amendments.

NEITHER of these extremes are acceptable. Personally, I feel the Republicans blocking some of Clinton's appointees did JUST as much good as the Democrats blocking some of Bush's.

fermicat
11-15-2003, 09:53 AM
Originally posted by Darth Buddha
NEITHER of these extremes are acceptable. Personally, I feel the Republicans blocking some of Clinton's appointees did JUST as much good as the Democrats blocking some of Bush's.

What bothers me the most about the Republican grandstanding on this issue is that they also blocked nominees in the past. They did not always have to use filibuster. Some of the nominees they blocked were stuck in committees and never brought to the floor for a vote. It seems hypocritical for them to be whining and crying about this now, when if the roles of the parties were reversed they would certainly be doing the same thing.

Darth Buddha
11-15-2003, 10:00 AM
Of course it is hypocrtical.

But I feel certain the Democrats would make the same complaint, circumstances reversed.

What is NOT acceptable is the plan to change the Senate rules. That sort of grab for power is purely a tyranny of the majority move. Of course, justice would be for them to do that, and then lose both houses, but I'd be scared of the left with the rules suspended too.

Third EYe
11-15-2003, 10:55 AM
Originally posted by grinner
No... and it still destroys your engine. Unless it is used in a mixture with Bio-Diesel and run in a Diesel Vehicle. It is in a gasoline engine that it causes the harm. It affects the Octane rating... giving it a false high octane. But it doesn't prevent pinging... as it burns hotter than 100% gas. So by running your car on ethanol, your car's knock sensor is always in safety mode with ends up using more fuel per mile than gas without ethanol.

Right, so I've read elsewhere. I noticed that when I first came to CO my mileage went down considerably, it was noticeable. I was told it was the altitude. I got on the net and investigated, and found out that the altitude may cause my car to stop running, "vapor lock" if not "broken in" but that mileage would not be effected, the article pointed me to ethanol. I then noticed that most gas here in CO is 10% ethanol, and to my knowledge there was no ethanol in the fuel in NH.

Made sense to me at the time.

Third EYe
11-15-2003, 11:01 AM
Originally posted by LadyCrais
Sure did. Emphasized their complete stupidity. The very last thing I want in my congress is a bunch of idiots trying to legislate by publicity stunt.



You mean like filibusters instead of straight votes? Or Kennedy calling Judges Neanderthals?

I lose more respect for the democrat leadership everyday.

Think about this, Kennedy has never been this harsh, not that I can recall. Having lived in New England most of my life, you hear a great deal about the Kennedy's, they are legends in some circles, complete jokes in others. Nonetheless, you hear, almost everyone knows a relation to the Kennedy's.

I have never heard drunken Ted speak with such a vile tongue. Something is going on, and it's probably worse than any of us can imagine. Maybe he's finally getting "wet brain".

It's sad really, I'm not proud of the Republican leadership either, they are acting like wimpy lap dogs who can't find the ground under thier feet.

Vote em all out. Start fresh.

Harveylives
11-15-2003, 12:36 PM
The Democrats and their litmous test have set a dangerous precedent. Republicans are already talking about filibusters for judge appointees from a democratic president if they don't meet the parties "litmous test". Personally, I'm happy about that.

As for the energy bill, It's 1700 pages long. Has anyone read the whole thing? Until I applaud it or condemn it I want to see more than the little pieces the media have cut out. I want to see the whole picture so I can recognize if someone is trying to "spin" the info.

Darth Buddha
11-15-2003, 12:39 PM
Hey, if both sides filibuster anyone who is far enough out, that's a good thing.