Mini-series a wrap-up...not good?

[K'Daryn]

Yes, I'm excited, and I want to thank my fellow Scapers for getting Farscape back. But, I'm not sure why they are doing a wrap-up instead of a stand-alone. It doesn't look good for a 5th Season to air a wrap-up, due to not increasing viewership through a stand-alone. A person could say that the mini-series is all we may get from our efforts, otherwise they would have made it a stand-alone.

It worries me that they are wrapping up the series instead of setting Farscape up for another season. The chances of a 5th Season decrease with a wrap-up rather than a stand-alone, but I hope if we keep fighting and get more viewers that the mini-series will not be the end of Farscape. Who's airing the mini-series?

[RescueFarscape]

WE ALL GOT FARSCAPE BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Did that sink in a bit? We got Farscape back, after 14 months. This is a new beginning.

:ewink:

if we keep fighting and getting more viewers that the mini-series will not be the end of Farscape.

Exactly. Follow your own advice and it'll happen.

[harveywhispers]

This is a start!! Keep fighting!!!

[AyuRocks]

To quote Red...

This is only the beginning. Farscape will continue because of you and the future of the franchise is in your hands.

.....

Congratulations. Back to work.

Ashley

[Shipscat]

You know, I am not one to lose my heart's desire in the having of it.

I imagine they're doing a wrap-up, if that's indeed what they're doing, because people were ready to jump off bridges after the season's cliffhanger-and besides, it's what comes next. You *don't Know* that they aren't setting Farscape up for another season..and may not know even after we get more details on it.

[grinner]

It is knowing that somehow, we affected things so that THIS IS POSSIBLE. 4 hours... it is a good start. Why be upset about it? It is 4 more hours than what we had before.... The fight is still on.

[AyuRocks]

Believe me.. the tone from the con was not one of a "wrap-up". People were giving suggestions, and a lot of replies were we'll see what happens in the future.

Remember that it's just as much their story to tell as it is ours to experience, they want to share everything they had planned, and I'm sure that they'll be pushing for more. We just need to continue doing our part.

Ashley

[Susana]

I would like to know, though. Is this a gift from the producers and cast to us? I mean, should we say, "Thanks, we're satisfied now, good job!" and be thankful for what we've gotten, or are the producers, cast, and crew willing to go on and do more? I don't want to go into this thinking that it's a start, and get my hopes up for more if the Farscape folks don't want to make more after this. I'd rather just enjoy it for what it is. But, if they do want to make more after this, as I have interpreted from poor Red's coughing fit, I'm all about fighting for it.

So, I'm grateful, really I am. If I were 10 years younger I'd be doing cartwheels. I just don't want to piss off the folks who worked so hard to get us this, by expecting more. It's like wanting a pony for Christmas, and getting a doll. The doll is great, and I love it, but will it make you mad if I still want the pony, too?

[Shipscat]

You know, Susana, I think we'll probably get a better feeling about that when some more press happens..if we see some stuff in TV guide, or some interviews somewhere, I'm sure that we'll know if they have hopes that they'll be able to do more Farscape after this..

And I do understand the need to know that. I feel that way, too.

[akimbo]

I'm not drawing any conclusion about the 4 ep wrap to season 4 except that its a 4 ep wrap to season 4.

Doesn't preclude a season 5, doesn't preclude a movie, etc.

What it represents is a giant leap forward. Success! New Farscape. I'll take that any day. :woohoo:

Wherever it airs is goodness for me. :cool:

Scapers mission, if they choose to accept it, is to get more eyeballs on the 4 new eps. That's what I'm going to be doing....damn those torpedos and full steam ahead :boat:

[K'Daryn]

Shipscat:

I understand them following from the end of Season 4, and them ending the series instead of not answering our questions. But, it's still not good to hear that the mini-series is a wrap-up, because like Babylon 5, the mini-series may be all we get from our efforts. I'm sure it's still possible they could get a 5th Season, but at first the wrap-up sounds bad instead of good. I'm hoping, from what I heard about the convention, that the mini-series is only the beginning...

grinner:

I'm upset because of the implications of a wrap-up could mean the series ends there, and it doesn't leave a lot of room to believe that a 5th Season is possible. The convention could make you believe that there is going to be more than a mini-series, and I guess that I need more reassurance that it won't end with the mini-series...

AyuRocks:

Yeah, but until we get confirmation it's all speculation that is still a rumor and not a fact. I need more than hearing there will be a mini-series, and I want to believe it won't end there. I'm hoping we can get more people to watch Farscape and we get a 5th Season.

[grinner]

Yesterday there were 88 episodes... soon there will be 92. That is fan-frelling-tastic news.

[StarsGoBlue]

And personally, I'm going to take a microt to actually enjoy the feeling of having succeeded in our first big step---remember this time last year, when it looked so certain we were up against nearly impossible odds?

I'll worry about what it all means later---or maybe I'll stop worrying for a bit now, and wait for Henson's to make their official press release.

We rock. Let's take some time to smell the roses of our first victory. :encore:


*****Stars
One small step for Scapers... :woohoo:

[dktigger]

Grinner, I ALWAYS BELIEVED IN YOU!!!!!
Dan

[AyuRocks]

I'm just going with my gut on this one. I just have the feeling, from burbank and everything, that the miniseries won't be the end.

I wish I had more information, but I just feel this one.

And yay! for 4 more frelled-up fantabulous episodes!

Ashley

[grinner]

Originally posted by dktigger
Grinner, I ALWAYS BELIEVED IN YOU!!!!!
Dan :woohoo: More FarScape... :woohoo:

HELL YEAH

[Timmayy]

Think of the miniseries as a way of tiding us over until skiffy loses their right to the show and Henson can then offer the whole series along with a new season to whatever network wants it.

[grinner]

HELLYEAH!!!!!!!!

[vikingscaper]

I think if e keep up our hard work and get moe viewers by the time the mini series airs, we would have a potential for even more Farscape in the future.

[Timmayy]

Grinner, ELEVEN THOUSAND POSTS!!!!!! Oh my, I just don't know what to say.

[Spacepiston]

You know it seems that the rumor of the 4 season min-series had been floating around for almost 4 months or so had it not? Im glad its confirmed but looking past the 4 episodes I think we are pretty much in the same boat as we were after season 4 ended. Of course the stage is set so to speak. Pun intended.

I have been hurt by Farscape once already....I dont know if I want to relive that feeling that I felt well watching "Bad Timing".

[atlantagirl]

Farscape always hurts, spacepiston. But in a good way. :ewink:

[Timmayy]

Hmm, I'd review your comments. Farscape didn't hurt you, the idiots that cancelled the show hurt you. Bad Timing is hard to watch, but is it any harder than the season 2 cliffhanger?

Knowing the show was likely not coming back certainly made it hard, but that was not Farscape's fault.

[waltersgirl]

lemme quote myself from my reply to you where you asked this question already.

finishing up the storyline for Season 4 makes a complete syndication package with a large bow on it. coupled with how the miniseries does, how the show does in syndication will have a significant effect on more Farscape.

they can only do this one step at a time and they have the larger picture to keep in mind. more Farscape can lead to...more Farscape.

the fans have done something amazing. let TPTB do what they do best.

[harveywhispers]

This is a begining!! We have to keep working, and ensure that those sets were bult for more than just 4 hours of mind-frelling teleivision!!

[CrystalMoon]

Shows almost never come back after being cancelled like this. No one thought Farscape would ever come back except us. In fact, I highly doubted it much of the time. I can definitely understand wanting more than a 4-part miniseries because I want seasons 5 and 6 too! But getting any Farscape at all is a miracle. It really is.

Right now, I'm just happy to be getting what we're getting.

[Da-Met]

I think "wrapping up" was just a general term used by journalists to describe it...

I mean, it was a show, that ended on a cliffhanger. Now, it's returning. one of the natural way to describe it, REGARDLESS of the content (which is not yet known to us), is "wrapping up", I would probably use a term like that if wrtiing an article on it (though all I've written for is my college paper, its enough to get a feel for writing journalistically).

Personally, I think if it's written by DK and Rockne, it's going to both wrap up and set up a new season/storyline.

Remember who we're dealing with folks, these aren't Enterprise writers :cool: These are Scape writers.

Have some faith! :smokin:

[auroraSun]

I am sooo excited to get our show back, and for awhile I was worried about the only four hour thing. But then I remembered what Rockne said, it takes around 12 to 13 eps to get any money return from the production value. So they can't possible only have four hours, that is not enough for any network to want, it is not in their best interest to only have four hours.
My feelings is the miniseries is just a part for what will really be coming, and we will not exactly what when Henson gives their announcement.

[Farsight]

This is gift horse's mouth. :)

This is four more hours of an incredible show, something very few people thought would ever happen. I'm going to enjoy it, and worry about what comes next as it comes.

[waltersgirl]

technically, episodes 4.23 - 4.26 are also episodes 5.01 - 5.04. just something to keep in mind.

[grapeshot]

Remember who we're dealing with folks, these aren't Enterprise writers These are Scape writers.


EXACTLY! I have faith. This is a SOLID first step. We still have plenty of work to do, but syndication (if indeed that's what's ahead) is a VERY good thing. Remember, Star Trek found it's audience in syndication. When those fans saved that first show, all they did was the first step in the Star Trek franchise. We'll be doing the same thing for Farscape, but hopefully accelerating the process.

[pyroturtle]

hmmm....
3 "farscape" shows on at one!
lets follow j&e in Farscape: Moya...
chiana and dargo in Farscape: Nebari...
and rigel and eveyone else in Farscape: Sparky...

sorry, just had to after all the star trek comments....

seriously, i'm excited, can't wait!
hmmm, 4 episodes...or two 2 hour shows?

i just want details ;)

[Deanna T]

I would say that if the mini-series is on Skiffy, then it would definitely be a wrap-up of Farscape, just to shut us all up :D

But if it's on another network, they'd be crazy to spend all that money to set up the sets, for only four episodes. I'd hazard a guestimate that they're spending a fair bit of money on this miniseries. As such, they may be just testing the waters to see how well the miniseries rates, before committing themselves to a season.

Would I be correct in saying that the miniseries must have some kind of network backer who's funding some of it and planning to show it? It couldn't be put straight into syndication while the other seasons haven't generated any syndication money, could it?

[waltersgirl]

I would say that if the mini-series is on Skiffy, then it would definitely be a wrap-up of Farscape, just to shut us all up an immense waste of money on their part, i should think.

Would I be correct in saying that the miniseries must have some kind of network backer who's funding some of it and planning to show it? don't know.

It couldn't be put straight into syndication while the other seasons haven't generated any syndication money, could it?
i don't see why not, but again, we don't know.

[Sawyer's Miller]

Hhhm. Anyone remember the story about the Dog with Two Bones? ;)

Take what you've got, it's more than you had yesterday!

[chani]

Originally posted by Sawyer's Miller

Take what you've got, it's more than you had yesterday!


Amen to that.

[mattski]

As a long time lurker (although big fan and am very impressed with all of the time and effort that has gone into bringing the show back) I hope I don't get flamed to death for what I am about to say!

In one sense I can understand why people are so excited about Farscape coming back and are imagining seasons 5, 6 and even 7 and that is fair enough. But would that not leave the possibility of this happening again with another cancellation on another cliff-hanger? All shows have a shelf-life and the fact that Farscape is a very good show does not render it free from this unavoidable fact.

From what I understood it to be Season 5 was to be the final season albeit one with a 26(?) part story of immense proportions. So I have read this as being the Hensons listening to the huge fanbase and giving something back to a story that they have such huge involvement with. Personally I think that this will be a closure on the Farscape story which, whilst we would always like more, may not be such a bad thing either. I would hate for the show to get caught in the lurch again or to just drift on until the stories become tired and rehashed. So maybe this mini-series will be a 'wrap-up' and maybe this will be no bad thing. What really got me about the cancellation was the fact that we were just left in limbo and rendered all that had gone before it as meaningless because it had no end.

As I said, it is just my opinion so please be kind! But if I was offered the choice between a 4 hour wrap or a definite season 5 and a 'maybe' season 6 then I really would take the mini-series to give the show the kind of finality that I think that it really deserves.

[Imlego]

Originally posted by mattski
As I said, it is just my opinion so please be kind!

No need. You are absolutely right and I wholeheartedly agree with you. I'm 100% happy with the idea of miniseries (let's hope it's GOOD) to wrap it up. If they want to continue after that, that's fine with me but I don't expect it to happen. Only way I see that happening is to end the miniseries openended which would not be a bad solution. The most important aspect to me is to get a satisfying ending to the story and to these incredible characters, not another "to be continued" sign tagged at the end of it.

[grinner]

Originally posted by Timmayy
Grinner, ELEVEN THOUSAND POSTS!!!!!! Oh my, I just don't know what to say. :innocent:

[RydraWong]

We won't know anything for sure until we get a statement from Brian Henson and co.

But if what they've got is the opportunity to do a miniseries, I can see why they'd go for doing the long-planned ending to the main arc. They've known for years what it is, and DK and co have spoken a lot about their pain and frustration at not being able to end the show on their terms.

So IMHO it would really make sense to go there now and use the miniseries to get spectacular closure, and not risk the chance that we'd all be left hanging from a cliff once more if the miniseries didn't lead directly to a renewal of the series proper.

And the thing is, an ending to the main arc doesn't in any way rule out further spin-offs or continuations of the franchise.

If the miniseries did well and the existing eps were successfully syndicated, then that's the point when, in a few years, they could go pitch "Farscape: The Nebari War".

So, yeah. Getting a "proper ending" now doesn't in any way rule out more Farscape later. But it'll be up to us to make the franchise so successful that they get the chance to pitch "Farscape: Next Generation" or whatever :D.

[Eve11]

What would be great imo would be something that wraps up the current plot threads and at the same times opens up a new, solid direction for any further stories they decide to tell. Kinda like a big huge battle, and then a "second star to the right, and straight on 'til morning" tag that hints at further adventures :)

[waltersgirl]

But would that not leave the possibility of this happening again with another cancellation on another cliff-hanger?

anything's possible and it's a risk we take, but one, i think, absolutely worth taking.

thanks for delurking.;)

[KozmikBloo]

I am frelling stoked about the news!!!!! And I know a few peeps without Internet access who will be happy to receive a phone call from me today!!!! :D

What a great way to start the day!!!! :partytime

[fermicat]

I'm not worried about them "wrapping up" the story. Unless everyone is dead at the end of the miniseries (highly doubtful), then there will still be stories left to tell, regardless of how the mini ends. Life goes on and more adventures will follow!

[Dominar of Action]

quote:
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I would say that if the mini-series is on Skiffy, then it would definitely be a wrap-up of Farscape, just to shut us all up
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an immense waste of money on their part, i should think.:roflmao:

[mjwillia]

USA Today's Whitney Matheson who writes "Hip Chicks" wrote this on 11/17/03: Have those Farscape fans finally gotten their wish? TV Guide is reporting the cancelled sci-fi show will return as a miniseries to "tie up the loose ends."

I think this is great news!

Once the loose ends are "tied up" Farscape will be easier to sell to other channels. Once there is a large enough audience for the show then they can make a movie or invest into season 5.

Any way it turns out, we will get our "To Be Continued" and that's all I ever asked for...

PS: I forgot to say: This USA Today info came from the electronic version of USA Today. Whitney provides a link in her article that takes the reader to SaveFarscape.com!

[db11]

I think this is a great thing. If this is indeed the end of the series, at least there will be some closure to the storyline. That said, I think the miniseries will probably end in such a way that nothing is set in stone, and there could be additional seasons made if the reaction to these four episodes are good enough.

I'm also one of those that tends to believe that it'll be financially hard for them to make *just* a 4 hour miniseries and actually make any kind of return. That's a cost that will probably largely be picked up by the network that shows the miniseries, and I just can't see them spending so much money on building the sets unless the end of this miniseries not only ties up the loose ends, but also leaves the door open for a continuation of the series in some way.

[mattski]

Of course it might be the fact that the decision to make the mini-series is not just financially motivated. I truly belive that this is a decision to say thank you to the huge base of fans here that have kept on fighting. Of course having a conclusion makes the whole series easier to sell (as well as meaning that people will not be put off buying dvd's because it has no end) but I think that there is as much heart as head in this decision. If there were already plans for season 5 to be the last then I really can't see how a mini-series will be able to provide a platform for another whole season.

But I am happy with a conclusion.

[mjwillia]

You both are right...

Didn't Brian Hanson say he would have given up on Farscape if it hadn't been for the fans? So, in a way this is a "Thank you" to us.

Also, if we make sure that the mini-series is well promoted and viewed by as many people as we can - then it can't help but lead to more Farscape!

I am so grateful for the mini-series! I can't wait for the mini-series! I can't wait to find out what happens to John and the rest!

[uisceboo]

Let me say upfront that this is not the first time someone has said this, and it will not be the last. It is a legitimate, and anticipated, reaction.

This miniseries pays to have the sets rebuilt, a significant expense and a great hurdle that had to be cleared to get ANY Farscape made. It puts Farscape back into a studio, into production. Think of it as a second pilot for the series, but with US promoting it. This is not a wrap up -- it's a step-up. Press sources may view it that way, but after listening to two Farscape Exewcutive producers and the cast talk about the series in Burbank...let me tell you, these people want more Farscape as much as we do.

Originally posted by K'Daryn
It worries me that they are wrapping up the series
instead of setting Farscape up for another season.

No one has said this is the wrap-up of Farscape, not of the franchise, not of that universe. No way, uh-uh. The hanging storylines will obviously be tied up -- they left us hanging, and that needs to be taken care of, for frell's sake! :D But this does not have to be the end, it won't be the end...Don't anyone assume for one minute that this is the end.

Someone remind us who-- either Ricky Manning or Rockne O'Bannon -- who said in Burbank that if we want more and more Farscape, WE MUST GET MORE VIEWERS! Our goal has been all along to grow the audience, to get people to watch the show, and that is still our #1 goal -- I cannot emphasize enough that our work in this area is not done. This will be up to us. If you want more than a miniseries, you myust be prepared to get out there and KICK ASS. One new viewer, ten new viewers, a hundred, or more -- it does not matter, each and every one are all are urgently important.

Give Farscape the chance it didn't get before. Prove to the industry that the ratings did not work. Turning new eyes on to Farscape is more important than anything else we can do. Work with the advertising fund so we can promote our show to TV viewers. Write to current advertisers, and ask them to consider sponsoring the miniseries. Get the DVDs in front of eyes, lend out your collection and work with our projects that get DVDs out there. Talk to everyone you know, let people know how good this show is. Get people to turn on Farscape, and leave it turned on.

You have already acheived the impossible. you have done what hundreds said could not and would not be done! You guys are GOOD -- you are the best at what you do. Now, Farscape needs us to keep going -- and it's going to be a long, tiring year -- to keep doing what you all so righteously rock at doing.

Go forth, and spread the wonder that is Farscape.

[Under A Dying Sun]

bravo uisceboo!!

[RydraWong]

Think about it this way: even if the miniseries wraps up all the current main plot lines (and I'm guessing that in 4 hours they won't have time for all of them), that doesn't in any way preclude a continuation or spin-off.

(Not unless their idea of a wrap-up involves killing off every single character, and even with DK involved I'd say that's unlikely :D).

There are so many other storylines in the background that have been briefly touched on but which the series hasn't really explored - e.g. John and Katralla's daughter, the Nebari virus, the Luxans, etc. etc. etc.

Say the miniseries comes out and is a smash hit and the existing episodes start doing great in syndication - and it's up to us whether that happens or not.

IMHO, that's the point, a few years down the line, when TPTB go to the network heads and say "Hey, we'd like to pitch 'Farscape: The Nebari Strike Back'" or whatever :devil: .

[AnnieBW]

*ANY* Farscape is good Farscape!!! Yes, even anime. (There are some plots that would be impossible to do on less than the budget that Peter Jackson had for the entire LoTR movies, but would work in anime.)

- Annie

[purplejulian]

don't all new seasons start with a resolution of the last season's cliffhanger? season 4 took 5 eps to resolve season 3's cliffhanger. so we can have resolution in this mini-series without in anyway compromising season 5.

woohoooh!

:aok: :cool: :D

[Sawyer's Miller]

I have to concur - OK Ideally we would see loads more episodes.

So - are you convinced that a mini-series precludes that? I'm not!

Think of this as an opportunity.

The door is opening - let's push it open the rest of the way.

Or just kick the ****er in! Who's with me?! (Oh dear, anger, fear, agression, the dark side are they)

[grinner]

Just a silly question... Is there going to be Fan paid for Advertising for this? If yes... shouldn't we start thinking about what it will be?

[gurnemanz]

Here is an ugly verity we must all keep in mind at every step in the execution of our project:


First and foremost, media production is a business. Money rules, and the zealot drools.

Now, stick with me for just a moment, here. Let me pose a hypothesis for you, especially, if you're feeling wobbly about whether or not word of the (first?) mini-series is good news.

In the loveless world of The Church Of The Spreadsheet's Bottom Line, all passion is suspect.

For us, this is a problem. We are in love. We are passionate. (What upsets Old Money the most? When its sons and daughters fall in love with commoners. The Big Money standard remains "Screw Down, Marry Up").

We are perceived as irrelevant and as outsiders - mostly because we are exceptions to the Rules of Demographics to which these microminds cling like ticks on a coonhound. We don't cluster in the middle of the bell curve. We are not quite so easy to predict as are many others.

So while all the spinmeisters work overtime to appear wise ("Their kind bad! Our kind good! Them smell bad! Us smell good!"), while they attempt to invalidate us by telling each other and advertisers and reporters and all who will listen that we are fringey, mingy, moneyless non-consumers in negligible numbers, they fail to remember a critical thing.

We are smart, and we learn things.

We have learned how to address the news media and advertisers. We have our own tools of media production, many of us, and we have learned how to use them. We know how to write, and we learn to whom we should write. And we know how to execute "Events" (note that I do *not* say "plans." Turrible word, that one). We know how to gain notice.

As much as we know about these things, Brian & Co. and DK and Rockne and Dr. Froon know more . . . and they count on us using our hard-won education to go do the fundamental thing.

It was Dr. Froon, Uisceboo, who said on Saturday evening in his interview with Tiriel, "Go forth and reproduce, become a bigger audience, make more converts, bring more eyeballs to "Farscape," because making the audience bigger is what will draw more commitment and investment and create more credibility for "Farscape." "

A huge investment is being made in rebuilding the sets and reserving the studio time. The old sets were worn and needed to be replaced, anyway, but trust the accountants on this one thing; if there wasn't going to be an opportunity for a substantial and profitable return on investment, the sets would never have been recreated.

How would Henson Co. create more profits from this new investment? Would it be by creating more produced tv episodes, and perhaps other entertainment products? What would *you* do with thirty months of studio reservations and bright shiny new sets(wink, wink, nudge, giggle)?

We have learned a goodly bit about the entertainment biz in the last fifteen months. Apply that learning, now. Create your own reasonable hypothesis to answer those last three questions.

Then figure out a way to recruit a hundred new Scapers for each of us. How will we demonstrate that Scapers are sexier and richer and more desirable? That's the low concept approach. How will we demonstrate that "Farscape" is some of the best tv drama ever made and wonderful and inspiring and thrilling to watch? That's the high concept approach.

The tools of media. The tactics of attraction. The skills of persuasion. What have we learned?

What will we do to seize respect from those who know us not?

What are we waiting for?

"Once more unto the breach, dear friends, or shore up these walls with our Scaper dead."

g.

[uisceboo]

Well said G, and thanks -- I think Froon's suit put me in a coma for a few minutes (thank the planets he took it and put on a proper mambo shirt! Sheesh!).

(Not unless their idea of a wrap-up involves killing off every single character, and even with DK involved I'd say that's unlikely ).

Unless he really wants to try on the Witness Protection Program lifestyle for a try. Hey, remember what happened to the character DK? Just sayin'...and that wasn't our idea, either! ;) See what happens when you don't support John Crichton? The universe frells with you! :lol Seriously. The Farscape production staff love the show even more than we do. We *all* feel the same way. We want MORE!

Overall -- no one believes for a second that this will be the end. G is 100% correct. No one invests a ton of money without some plan for a return and a profit. You don't get that by ending things immediately. However, if we lay back now and get all comfy on our asses, then this would be the end.

You all know how to do this. You know it by heart. Go talk up the show. Slip people a DVD or tape. Rave about it. Large scale, support the programs we have in place that put the show in front of many people's eyes -- library and military programs -- and the Ad project, so we can reach TV viewers right in the comfort of their homes. This is much more important than any other activity I can think of -- it's ALL about watching Farscape, and if you want there to continue to be more to watch, we need to keep on growing the show.

[pyroturtle]

hmmm....
ya, the sexist show on tv approach works really well at college campus'
so, i guess it's time to start on the UC system...anyone got any suggestions on which one to start at? i've got uci, ucla, ucr all pretty close and friends at all of them...
at any rate, this is still awesome

[Mickie]

If you have the means, you could see about donating farscape DVDs to campus libraries.

And start anywhere you like. It's all good.

[pyroturtle]

ya, i'll probably start at all 3 at once...
the problem with campus libraries here in california is that people don't use them...and those that do abuse them...
in this case it'll be better to get another box set somehow and start loaning it out to my friends, or just going there on the weekends...
so, i'll let ya'll know how it goes. with this new news i might get more people to watch it ;)