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Harveylives
11-25-2003, 04:08 PM
Last Updated: Monday, 24 November, 2003, 11:25 GMT

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Ecstasy could ease crime trauma


Ecstasy remains an illegal drug
The dance drug Ecstasy is set to be used in a medical trial involving patients with post-traumatic stress.
Final ethical approval has been given for the tests, based at the University of South Carolina in the US.

Ecstasy, also known as MDMA, was originally created as a slimming aid - and was made illegal after an upsurge in recreational use in the 1980s.

The trial will test the effects of the drug on traumatised crime victims, and is expected to start in the New Year.

The use of MDMA therapeutically is controversial - many experts believe there already exist better ways of helping people with post-traumatic stress.

Studies of the long-term effects of taking the drug also suggest there may be health risks, although this is not fully proven.

Brain boost

The drug works by boosting the levels of the chemical serotonin in the brain. Serotonin is important in the regulation of mood, and users often report a feeling of calmness, alongside warmth and empathy towards others.

The South Carolina study has been on the drawing board for years.

We have medical heroin, medical cocaine - and now we could have medical ecstasy.

Professor John Henry, Imperial College London
Original approval from the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) was given in November 2001, but there followed a series of rejection from boards of ethics linked to US universities.

Dr Rick Doblin, who is leading the study, told The Guardian: "What we'd like to do is develop MDMA into a prescription medicine.

"Of course there are risks, but I do believe the risks are manageable."

He believes the effect of Ecstasy would be beneficial for people suffering extreme stress disorders because it might promote "cartharsis" - a purging or release of emotions which the patient finds it hard to talk about during normal counselling.

The trial will use a combination of the drug and organised therapy sessions.

Same dose

The intended dose is approximately the same as the amount of the drug found in a typical ecstasy tablet sold illegally.

MDMA was used unofficially as an adjunct to counselling sessions as recently as the 1970s, but fell out of favour at the same time that recreational use was becoming popular.

Professor John Henry, at Imperial College London, who carries out research into the toxic effects of recreational drugs, said that there was no reason to dismiss the idea that MDMA might be medically useful simply because it was used illegally.

He said: "We have medical heroin, medical cocaine - and now we could have medical ecstasy.

"We know that it can kill you - but used in a controlled laboratory or a clinical setting, the risks would be minimal.

"Over the long term, it can interfere with the ability to incorporate new memories, but if you're taking it once or twice, it shouldn't be a problem."

LadyCrais
11-25-2003, 06:05 PM
The drug works by boosting the levels of the chemical serotonin in the brain.

You mean all those anti-depressants designed to increase serotonin levels through a bunch of back door mechanisms are unnecessary if you just take a bit of Ecstacy? Sheesh!!

Harveylives
11-25-2003, 06:09 PM
The anti-depressants your talking about do not increase serotonin, they inhibit it from being absorbed back into the neurons from which it came. This allows the serotonin to stay in the synapse where it does its magic.

witchdoctor
11-26-2003, 10:29 AM
The problem with ecstasy is that as good a high as you get, when it wears off, you get a corresponding crash and depression. Everything has a price. Or as Heinlein said, TANSTAAFL.

I wonder though, how many people would do flase reports as crime victims if they thought they were going to get some ecstasy.

NebariNookiee
11-26-2003, 11:03 AM
I watched someone take that crap for the first time about a year ago. For about 15-20 minutes nothing happened. In fact, right before it kicked in, she said "I don't feel anything." See -- she had taken it twice before, but both times were bunk and she got nothing from them. She got ripped off basically. Well, no sooner does she say it then it hits her like a shot of Heroin. Her pupils became as big as saucers and she goes all loopie and borderline lethargic. I stayed with her through the night to make sure she was okay. I had never seen it actually take effect before and it kind of freaked me out. I’ve never done it, and after seeing that first hand – I don’t think I ever will. I’ll take weed anyday!:smokin:

LadyCrais
11-26-2003, 06:01 PM
Originally posted by Harveylives
The anti-depressants your talking about do not increase serotonin, they inhibit it from being absorbed back into the neurons from which it came. This allows the serotonin to stay in the synapse where it does its magic.

LOL! Yeah, I know. For the SSRI's anyway. I don't remember if there are any out there manipulating serotonin directly rather than its receptors. I was sort of trying to make a funny everyone would understand. Actually it's the folks who are taking tryptophan, their varied and sundry precursors whether by pill or food, or altering their diets to allow tryptophan unrestricted access through blood-brain barrier that the reference would be for.

Obviously scoring some Ecstacy is little more than the first step towards hell. I just didn't know that there was a compound that really did directly raise serotonin levels. Seems like they'd find something useful to do with it.

Harveylives
11-26-2003, 06:09 PM
I'm sorry LadyCrais. I sort of jumped on that without thinking it might have been a short explanation.

LadyCrais
11-26-2003, 10:06 PM
Originally posted by Harveylives
I'm sorry LadyCrais. I sort of jumped on that without thinking it might have been a short explanation.

Heh, I wasn't the least offended. I just wish I could do a better job at cracking jokes now and again. I had such a good laugh when I read it but couldn't get it translated into words that anyone would get the joke. Probably only another chronic pain person that's been on the elusive 10+ year hunt for the magic bullet to get those serotonin levels up where they belong would have found it funny too.

Anyway, I can beat you hands down for serious replies in threads full of jokes about stuff I think is too important to joke about. It's only fair to have the tables turned on me occasionally. ;)