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Harveylives
11-27-2003, 02:22 PM
'Catcher in the Rye' assignment evokes shock


By Matthew Cella
THE WASHINGTON TIMES



A Chantilly High School student says his English teacher instructed the class to repeat a common two-word profanity 10,000 times as a way of desensitizing them to its appearance in the novel "Catcher in the Rye."
Jeff Daybell, 17, a senior at Chantilly, said he brought the incident to the attention of school administrators because he was shocked at the teacher's instructions.
"I said, 'What the heck is going on?' " he said. "Why is my teacher giving me this assignment?"
The incident occurred a few weeks ago, after students in the class repeatedly murmured and commented on the language in some passages of J.D. Salinger's 1951 classic.
"The Catcher in the Rye" is a coming-of-age story about Holden Caulfield, an affluent teenager who has been expelled from school for poor achievement and spends a few days in New York before returning to his parents' inevitable wrath.
The book, written from his perspective, contains a steady stream of mild swear words. Among them is the two-word phrase, which includes the "F word."
"The teacher wanted students to be aware that this was in the book," said Fairfax County schools spokesman Paul Regnier. He said the teacher had not intended for students to repeat the phrase as an assignment, adding that the teacher had made the comment "jokingly."
According to Jeff, the teacher used the phrase several times, then told students to say it "10,000 times in different ways" to desensitize themselves to the language.
Jeff said he later learned from other students that the teacher had made the comment in at least one other class.
"I thought for sure I hadn't understood it right," said Nancy Daybell, Jeff's mother, recalling her reaction when her son told her about the incident. "I don't think it's appropriate. We don't want our child to be desensitized to that kind of language."
Jeff, who attends Bible study classes each morning before school and is working toward becoming an Eagle Scout, also serves as an intern with the nonprofit think tank Frontiers of Freedom.
The vice president of the nonprofit, Jason Wright, encouraged Jeff to organize his thoughts in an essay, which was posted Monday on the organization's Web site, www.opinioneditorials.com.
"It makes me sick," Mr. Wright said, adding that he thinks the teacher should be fired. "At what point will we make the teachers accountable for the paychecks they're collecting?"
Jeff described the teacher as a "good teacher," adding, "He just made a mistake."
Mrs. Daybell said, "We're not after his job in any way." She said the teacher called Jeff on Monday night and told him the incident was a misunderstanding and that he should not feel uneasy returning to class.
Jeff said he returned to class yesterday and that the teacher was more supportive than many of the students.
Mrs. Daybell said Principal Tammy Turner e-mailed her with a message of support for Jeff. Mrs. Turner referred calls yesterday to Mr. Regnier.
Mr. Regnier said he could not discuss whether the teacher faces punishment for the remark. "I think we can all agree that there might have been better ways to do this," he said.
The two-word phrase in question appears about three or four times at the end of "Catcher in the Rye," most notably when the main character sees it scrawled on a wall.
"If you had a million years to do it, you couldn't rub out even half the [expletive] signs in the world," Mr. Salinger writes.
His book has been the object of challenges nationwide for decades because of its language, references to violence and sexual content.
According to the Chicago-based American Library Association, the book was the 13th most frequently challenged book in the country's school systems from 1990 to 2000.

AgentSun
11-27-2003, 05:31 PM
now that's just WRONG. i live near that area and i know people who go to that high school. it's not something i'd want to be desensitized to. i'd rather the teacher just warn us that the language was in there, rather than tell us how we can numb our brains to the profanity.

JadedLegend3
11-27-2003, 07:01 PM
I thought "The Catcher in the Rye" was still a banned book...it was when I went to high school...and I only graduated four years ago....

Of course, my school was rather "backwards" according to some people...after all, we still have team prayers before games and hunting is an excused absence.

But seriously, I didn't think it was allowed. Or have they done away with all the banned books?

"The Catcher in the Rye" is a great book. However, I've heard that almost every famous assassin/serial killer (since the book has been published) has been obsessed with it...

I don't think kids should be desensitized to that kind of language, either. Especially not in high school! I hope the teacher's comments were just taken out of context.

Jacqui :love:

darius
11-27-2003, 07:03 PM
Who cares, it's just a word. You don't want to become desensitized to it why? So it's more insulting to you? Words only affect you as much as you let them.

Stargate2077
11-27-2003, 07:23 PM
I have always been ambivalent on the profanity issue. On the other hand, I am very vocal about censureship. I think censureship is wrong in any context. Basically I consider censureship as a way to control ideas. What do the rest of you think about censureship?

Don't worry if your for censureship...I am curious why people believe in the practice.

JadedLegend3
11-27-2003, 07:28 PM
Originally posted by darius
Who cares, it's just a word. You don't want to become desensitized to it why? So it's more insulting to you? Words only affect you as much as you let them.

Personally, I don't care if people swear around me because I swear a heck of a lot more than I should. However, I do think that there are somethings children should be kept from, and such langauge is one of them. This world is harsh enough...let them keep what little innocence they have for as long as they can.


Jacqui :love:

BillFrugge
11-27-2003, 07:42 PM
Originally posted by JadedLegend3
Personally, I don't care if people swear around me because I swear a heck of a lot more than I should. However, I do think that there are somethings children should be kept from, and such langauge is one of them. This world is harsh enough...let them keep what little innocence they have for as long as they can.


Jacqui :love:

I would agree, however in this article the student is a 17 year old senior in high school. While I don't condone the use of vulgar language, I'm sure he's heard it before. If he hasn't, he's going to hear it a lot more.

At the age of 17, he sounds mature enough that he objected to the word. He is right that the teacher shouldn't be using the word in class.

I have read the book, and found it to be no big deal. The book is overrated.

Third EYe
11-27-2003, 07:47 PM
I read the Catcher when I was in school.

I'm for profanity, and I'm against it. (Who knows)

In a book, a work of actual literature, where the profanity may be relevant, and perhaps not necessary, too damn bad, suck it up.

I'm always fascinated.

Scarran Raptor
11-27-2003, 11:42 PM
I curse from time to time, just never in front of elementary school kids, and maybe middle school, by high school they're cursing already, well that and overuse of profanity is the witty comeback of the weak-minded, or unless I've just painfully impacted against something, you know like the corner of your car's trunk when it Jabs you in the back of the skull and you're standing there going "AW F**K THAT HURT!"

Judith
11-28-2003, 12:44 AM
I think that the profanity in the book was necessary. Holden Caufield was not a clean mouthed kid, and his character would have been very different had he spoked differently. Words are important.

However, it seems that the teacher may not have acted in the wisest manner.

Madre Farbot
11-28-2003, 07:49 AM
Originally posted by BillFrugge
I would agree, however in this article the student is a 17 year old senior in high school. While I don't condone the use of vulgar language, I'm sure he's heard it before. If he hasn't, he's going to hear it a lot more.

:rollin:

I must admit when I was at school I was too timid and shy, and don't ever remember using bad language. But that's probably because I got a bad memory. It was only when I went out into the real world that I became aware of other people's bad language. And yes, in real world situations when things don't go right you tend to swear and curse.

It's seems like a very fine balance how you get kids ready for life, and also at the same time protecting them from other influences. You either protect them too much making them more vulnerable or let them fly and become even more vulnerable.

Anyway, you might think this a bit strange, but I actually like a swear word or two thrown into a passage. It gives it a bit more color, and sometimes can be quite funny. I think it can be a bit like that with conversation; All of a sudden theres an astonishing swear word.

AgentSun
11-28-2003, 09:41 AM
there's a difference between profanity done in a manner suited for the media at hand and profanity done in a manner entirely gratuitous.

i think the issue is mostly due to the fact that high schoolers are either swearing a lot more than they need to (i.e. every other word) or they're not swearing at all. i think they mostly have to be taught that one does not NEED to swear to get a point across. there really is no need for it to show up so much in one sentance and teaching kids (no matter how old they are) that speaking coherantly and intelligently requires absolutely no profanity.

this probably would help some of the avid swearers to tone down too, because in the real world, saying the F word during a job interview is not advised.

i don't like censorship and i'm at the same time for protecting the children from profanity. what i mean is that i don't like censoring media because people want to "protect the children", i believe in letting media be what it is and then parents taking responsibility for their kids.

in this case, i believe that the teacher should have given out a warning to the students (you might say that they have all been exposed to the word, true, but not all of them particularly use the word or would care to hear it every day..i certainly don't) and told them that this book contains this explicit word and they should be aware of WHY it is used in the book and HOW...because it really is a cultural thing in Catcher in the Rye, why Caulfield is who he is. it's something that is apart of the character, not really done gratuitously.

darius
11-28-2003, 12:19 PM
To tell the truth, alot of children have a natural tendency to insult each other even without the benefit of so-called "profane" words, they find any little difference and exploit it. By not exposing kids to things that they will have to deal with as adults you aren't protecting their innocence, you're prolonging their ignorance. Curse words are only considered profane because people choose them to be, the best way to combat their "profanity" is to not discriminate between them.

Visor
11-28-2003, 02:22 PM
I don't care for censorship but I do believe in appropriateness. Teachers don't need to use hard swearing in a class room. Not high school, not college. It has no serious value in those settings that I can imagine.
As to desenitizing the students to the language before reading the book, does that not take away some of the impact that was intended by the author. Kind of like going to an autopsy before seeing a slasher flick.