Battlestar Galactica

[zelbinion]

I was just in the PX where they have the entire BSG in one set ("complete with deleted scenes"). It says 24 episodes (great price, only 69 bucks) but I thought they made more. It seems like that show lasted more than 2 years. Is that just more exaggerated childhood memories, or did they stretch that show out longer?

[vhsiv]

It's exaggerated memories, zelbinion. The show was broadcast over the '78-'79 season, and then of course it was followed by Galactica 1980.

It just seemed like longer...

[zelbinion]

oh well, well, if I still have money left after buying christams presents, I'll pick it up.

anyone heard in reviews on skiffy's version that comes out next week

[vhsiv]

There was a review of the miniseries on Aintitcool.com. Harry Knowles, the guy who runs the site, panned it. Somebody posted the link around here somewhere...

aha!...

http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=16490

[zelbinion]

OMG
Sounds lke they have butchered this show. I remeber reading a few years ago where Richard Hatch had been fighting for the last 20 years to bring BSG to the big screen, but I hope this is not what he had in mind.

I think I'll buy the set and not worry about the trelk version of starbuck

[vhsiv]

I remeber reading a few years ago where Richard Hatch had been fighting for the last 20 years to bring BSG to the big screen, but I hope this is not what he had in mind. He mortgaged his house to make a trialer for it, and Skiffy and Universal rode on his coattails after he created some audience demand.

He was MORE than gracious to participate in their little BSG special the other night...

[Darth Buddha]

Is it just me, or does FMD have a Skiffy Shafting <insert good guy here> motif today?

[BillFrugge]

Originally posted by Darth Buddha
Is it just me, or does FMD have a Skiffy Shafting <insert good guy here> motif today?

I don't think it's a motif. Just an expression of the facts.

[zelbinion]

Originally posted by vhsiv
He mortgaged his house to make a trialer for it, and Skiffy and Universal rode on his coattails after he created some audience demand.

He was MORE than gracious to participate in their little BSG special the other night...

I have'nt had access to skiffy in almost a year. But I am quite surprised to hear that he is endorsing the dren that it seems to be. The article I read portrayed him as being passionate to the orginal version. He must be really hard up to endorse this

[Paul Cousins]

Originally posted by zelbinion
OMG
Sounds lke they have butchered this show. I remeber reading a few years ago where Richard Hatch had been fighting for the last 20 years to bring BSG to the big screen, but I hope this is not what he had in mind.

I think I'll buy the set and not worry about the trelk version of starbuck

Richard (who I think wrote a couple of books based on the original series) and the fans of the original series wanted a continuation of the original series about the Galactica.

Larson wanted to do a side-story dealing with the Pegasus.

But Sci-fi bought the rights to the show and screwed over both parties.

[grinner]

I never watched the original series... and I won't watch it now... for a definite reason. The writer of the original series is a Mormon and the shows premise was how the Mormon people were subjugated by the US government. It is propaganda.

[Johnsgirl727]

Originally posted by grinner
I never watched the original series... and I won't watch it now... for a definite reason. The writer of the original series is a Mormon and the shows premise was how the Mormon people were subjugated by the US government. It is propaganda.
Mormon? Really? I didn't know that. Did the writer of the show say that was the premise? This is the first I've heard of this.

[grinner]

It is the story of the Mormons fleeing west to the "promised land". The Mormons are the people of Galactica and the Cylons are The US government.

[Third EYe]

Originally posted by grinner
I never watched the original series... and I won't watch it now... for a definite reason. The writer of the original series is a Mormon and the shows premise was how the Mormon people were subjugated by the US government. It is propaganda.


It's true

Adama is Adam, first man

Kobol is Kolob, the planet from which the mormon god comes from.

There are a great deal more similarities that are blatantly obvious, if you know what you are looking for. Of course when I was a kid, it didn't matter, I thought it was a great show. It was interesting to discover what was behind the show later on.

I watched the show, and would watch the original series again. I won't be watching what is going to air on skiffy.

[Scarran Raptor]

Funny, I always thought it was a hebrew thing, you know, 12 colonies, 12 tribes, a lost 13th tribe, a mass exodus, cylons=nazis

[grinner]

No... even the author stated that it is a representation of the Mormon trials...

[Third EYe]

Originally posted by Scarran Raptor
Funny, I always thought it was a hebrew thing, you know, 12 colonies, 12 tribes, a lost 13th tribe, a mass exodus, cylons=nazis

Mormons beleive that the lost 13th tribe came to the "new world" long before Columbus, also that Quetzalcoatl was in fact Jesus which is where they heard the gospel and the Book of Mormon essentially comes out of that period.

Mormons are convinced that they and the United States are the true Isreal. Very interesting stuff.

[Lord Loser]

Originally posted by Third EYe
Mormons are convinced that they and the United States are the true Isreal. Very interesting stuff. Uhhh, was going to say something here, but I'll just leave it be (better than to get religion on the banned list)...

[grinner]

*edit*

[Jaxa Logan]

Originally posted by grinner
I would agree with you LL... Mormonism isn't interesting... it is scary.

Why? I'll admit to knowing little about the Mormon faith, but I am interested in your obviously negative viewpoint of it. Not trying to harass you here, grinner, just curious. And are your views on Mormonism so serious that you can't enjoy a tv show because it may have represented a Mormon theme (I have been a Battlestar fan since childhood and have never heard of this correlation before)?

Jax

[grinner]

*edit*

[Third EYe]

Originally posted by grinner
I would agree with you LL... Mormonism isn't interesting... it is scary.

Scary is interesting.

[grinner]

yes and no... But I will concur with your assessment.

[Lord Loser]

Originally posted by grinner
I would agree with you LL... Mormonism isn't interesting... it is scary. What made you think I was going to come down on the con side? After all, I do live behind the Zion curtain. :confused:

[Darth Buddha]

Cults differ from mainstream religion primarily by how much they are generally accepted.

All mainstream religions started out as cults, too.

Not antagonizing here... just food for thought.

[Lord Loser]

Glad to see you DB, thought you were a little short with *someone* on another thread, though. I was looking forward to reading the resulting discussion but *sigh*...

[waltersgirl]

careful folks.

[Lord Loser]

Seriously. Which/What subject are you referring to wg? I don't want to limit discussion, but I don't want to intentionally provoke either.

[waltersgirl]

just a nudge re the comments about mormonism.

[Scarran Raptor]

mormon diatribe or not, it's still a good show, that's all that matters, I've never been one to let religion be a factor in choosing friends or entertainment, to quote from the book of Smith (Kevin Smith that is)
"I think it's better to just have ideas. you can change an idea. Changing a belief is trickier. People die for it. People kill for it"~ Rufus "Dogma"

"the message is what counts. but people who built their faith on that message should be colorblind"
Rufus (again)

[waltersgirl]

"I think it's better to just have ideas. you can change an idea. Changing a belief is trickier. People die for it. People kill for it"~ Rufus "Dogma"

smart guy, Rufus. i loved Dogma.

[Frellster]

Well, I don't mind Mormons anyway. Even though I didn't catch the Mormon subtext. Granted - I didn't know what a Mormon was back then. Even if it is a Mormon thing, who cares? Narnia is based on Christianity, and its a cool kids book. Every religion has its own myths, some are entertaining. That said, I tend to shy away from Scientology things. Never read Hubbord or saw Battlefeild Earth, but if it got better reviews I might have.

[Third EYe]

I thought Battlefield Earth was a good flick. I understood where it came from.

Rufus, the 13th apostle, gotta love it.

[oorat]

um, im mormon. to call one form of religion scary as opposed to say, all the others is rather an uninformed judgement. history has shown religion to be a rather violent issue. wars are fought over beliefs. thousands of people burned to death in various countries by various religous groups for their non comforming beliefs.

i have to agree with kevin smith on views of religion. like i said, im mormon, which is a part of christianity since it believes in christ, and god. but the thing we has humanity have to learn is that people are allowed to do what they want to do just short of killing people.

the problem ALL religions have had through out history is tolerance and acceptance of other religions. open a history book and see how many times someones religion was forced on someone else. thats the problem with people, people dont like people who are radically unlike themselves.

im not saying that everyone hates people who are different, but i think its fair to say that a large number of people out there make it a point to find a group of friends, and enviroment that is similar to their personality, interests, beliefs, etc. and that when surrounded by people who they have nothing in common with and cannot find a common ground of conversation become extremely uncomfortable, and either become really shy, or try very hard to "fit" in or look like they do.

not quite sure i follow the whole propaganda bit. read a history book. or check out the history channel sometime, there was a point in time when the us military was sent to exterminate the mormons. for probly the same reasons you would say the mormonism isnt interesting but scary. it happened. whats wrong with a someone saying it? by that kinda statement schindlers list (a brilliant, and wonderfully told true story) is just propaganda by a jewish director.

the 2 things i think any christian should take to heart is, god gave man a free will, to let him choose his own path. and the old classic bible saying, judge not less ye be judged.

like i said, im mormon, im not devout, i dont go to church. religion doesnt play a very large role in my life. if any. cause ive seen the bad things that religion can do. ALL religions. the spanish inquisition, the salem witch trials. the crusades. the nazi's veiw on religion and other religious groups.

taking a look at the history of religion, it seems to me that its all scary. alot of death caused by those who felt their views were right and thats what EVERYONE should believe.

farscape is a good example of how humanity should be, not the faux star trek "everyone gets along all the time". but that people are different, some in maddening ways, but that in the end, we need to accept them.

[waltersgirl]

farscape is a good example of how humanity should be, not the faux star trek "everyone gets along all the time". but that people are different, some in maddening ways, but that in the end, we need to accept them.

ayup.

[vhsiv]

Originally posted ny Oorat
farscape is a good example of how humanity should be, not the faux star trek "everyone gets along all the time". but that people are different, some in maddening ways, but that in the end, we need to accept themAmen to that - this has been a remarkably tough weekend for the board - ...or maybe I just wasn't paying attention before - there's been a lot of *tolerance* VENTING going on...

BTW - One of the *few* original Roddenberry-bible ideas that Berman & Braga have stuck to is the notion that there should be no conflict among the crewmembers. I don't know why that was one of his mandates - ex-serviceman, perhaps? - but it's just about the only rule that the Bermaga trust hasn't broken. Strangely enough, it's the breaking of that rule that's allowed for groundbreaking shows such as B5 and Farscape.

(I watched 'B5: In the Beginning' this morning, and athe last half of 'A Call to Arms' - good stuff. "Our last best hope" suddenly ranks with Crichton's, "I dreamed of Space...". I had forgotten about the tragedy of the former -- and suddenly it makes sense why JMS bought Bruce Boxleitner a copy of LoTR, as preparation for the role of Sheridan. WB sux. I'm sure they've made a pile of money off of JMS - the way that 'Crusade' went down, I hope every one of those TNT guys regrets having dogged him about it. The 'Suits' wanted Dureena raped, to sex-up the show - nice... :( . The Suits wanted 'Andomeda': tell them Sorbo will probably be available at the end of the year...)

[zelbinion]

This board never ceases to amaze me. How a thread on Battlestar Galtica could end up w/ 10+ posts on mormons plus some edited for content post from grinner just blows me away.

No wonder I keep coming back.

That being said, I watched the pilot of BSG yesterday and could'nt help but notice that the first shot of the targeting scanner in the viper said, "Made in USA" in the upper right corner....... Which tribe was that???? Was that suppose to be the mormon tribe???

:)