Do you like the episode Jeremiah Crihton? [spoilers for 1.14]

[Rygelruler17]

That is my favorite seoson one episode where John get's ditched by Moya. I really like the part where everyone thinks that Rygel's the Masada. I was just wondering what everone's favorite seoson one episode was.:smokin:

[Famira Damaris]

Eh...it was an okay episode - definitely not my favorite though. oo;

Damn...um...favorite Season 1 episode...er...*thinks* uh...*brain farts out and implodes* Can't think of a specific favorite - I have ones I prefer, but nothing that is "number 1".

[grapeshot]

What I liked about it was shirtless John, wearing cut-offs! (hee hee!)

I also liked the fact that in this episode you're finally beginning to see the group do something for each other. And it's funny how they leave it to Aeryn to make the final decision about when to give up looking for Crichton.

Remember the part where Crichton says "Since I left my home, I've been hunted, beaten, locked up, shanghaied, shot at...I've had alien creatures in my face...up my nose...inside my brain...down my pants...this is the first time...the first place...where I've felt peace. " But note that at the end of the episode, when John could have chosen to stay, he decides to go back to Moya. This is where he decides not to give up hope, and keep looking for home.

This is not considered one of the "classic" season 1 episodes, but like any Farscape episode, it's interesting.

Since you're a late comer to Farscape you might want to check out my favorite episode review site. Here's their review of Jeremiah Crichton:
http://perriverse.dreamhost.com/farscape/episodes/1-4.html#1.14

It's very hard to think of a favorite episode. I really really really like about 10 of the episodes, and I merely really like the remaining 12. And although most people think that other seasons are better, and I can't disagree, this is still my favorite season. When you see the rest of the seasons, you'll be amazed at what a solid foundation this season created for the entire Farscape story.

[JadedLegend3]

It was okay. Not my fave. Mildly amusing with Rygel being a deity...or so they thought!



Jacqui :love:

[FieryHands]

Jeremiah Crichton was an important ep for John learning to accept his situation but it isn't among my favorites, probably *because* our favorite astronaut acted like such a child in it. And then there's that beard thingy that was attached to his face...

I adore Throne for a Loss, Through the Looking Glass, A Bug's Life, Nerve, Hidden Memory...okay, can't actually pick one, but its hard!

[NebariNookiee]

Don't forget that it also shows that Rygel is more than just an annoying little helium fart blossom– he really was the ruler of over 600 billion subjects. This episode solidified that there’s more than meets the eye when it comes to our favorite Hynerian punching bag.

[Mr.Blue]

One of my favorites...its the ep iv seen the most times! :boat: :spin:

[Namrat]

I also liked the fact that in this episode you're finally beginning to see the group do something for each other. And it's funny how they leave it to Aeryn to make the final decision about when to give up looking for Crichton.

True . . . I also believed that this is the first time that Dargo stands up for JC despite what the others thought . . . even Aeryn after Zhaan left, stated to Dargo that there was going to be a time when they have to accept the fact that JC was lost . . . Dargo, showing some loyalty (for JC) or guilt (as Zhaan accused), and perhaps also some subtle intuition (knowing that Aeryn would never leave JC) and calling Aeryn's "bluff," replied that he would wait for the time for her to tell him to give up and abandon the search . . . "to abandon JC" . . .

I also found it nice that unlike Star Trek, not every character was on the same page and some were willing to give up earlier than others . . . Zhaan certaintly wanted to give up and she stated that some of them were "weary" of the search . . . you could probably at least count Rygel in this group . . . Pilot and Moya were probably neutral on this topic and would have follow the decision of the group, whichever way it went . . . this was another example of what O'Bannon and Henson wanted to accomplish . . . at least "early" in the series that in the end these are still individual characters with individual goals and fears . . .

[sny]

Don't forget that it also shows that Rygel is more than just an annoying little helium fart blossom– he really was the ruler of over 600 billion subjects. This episode solidified that there’s more than meets the eye when it comes to our favorite Hynerian punching bag.

That's why I quite like Jeremiah Crichton. It's an episode that gives some more complexity to Rygel. He could have been left as nothing mroe than a one-dimensional character, mostly comic relief playing both sides against the middle, but the writers decided to give him a greater depth. And this is one of the eps where that happens.

Throne for a Loss is a particular favorite in Season 1. DNA Mad Scientist, too. It gives all the characters a dark side. You find out your heroes aren't so heroic, sometimes. And Pilot's "acting" in this one... chilling. His resignation to serving others, even when they don't appreciate it, gets me every time. But basically, I love every episode.

[Spedoinkel]

My fave would probably be PK Tech Girl...serveal reasons I don't hvae time to get into, but Jeremiah did show how clever Rygel was, and tha he was not just comic relief.

[AyuRocks]

I absolutely hate that episode. Just do. It just.. bugs.. me..

[Mr.Blue]

What ..is it all those people standing around in the neon beach wear?
I was :pace: throen(i just cant spell :rolleyes: )off by that to at first..
But Rygels character development and stuff aside. Its the Robinson Cruso stuff that getts me lovin this ep..it doesnt last long before he gets kompany but the feeling of it all, and the natives on the iland thing :sun: its just so chill and nice there for a moment(same goes for rygel sleping in the tent :D )

And the neon :colors: people...well iv learned to LOVE them to! :bounce:

[Eliria]

Ugh. I hate it. The not-puppet Rygel freaks me out a little, and the all people in their "neon beach wear"... The worship of Rygel is the only good thing about it, I think. I warn anyone I lend my dvds to that it's the worst episode.

[Mr.Blue]

No NO! Dont do it they have to have an open mind!! :bub:

[so-much-4-sanity]

Definately not one of my fav eps. I will more often skip it then not when running through Season 1. There are elements I like though: I like the opening scene with John getting frustrating and going for a "drive", I like the character development that takes place when the crew discusses giving up their search. I would agree that it's an important ep for John, they come for him, and he needed to know that in order to continue progressing throughout the season, knowing he could trust these aliens to be there for him.

Favorite Season 1 Eps? Well, I don't think I have one that really stands out over the others, the early, early eps I really like are TFAL and BABABTTF, I don't tire of them, or listening to the commentary. The later eps: AHR, Nerve & HM. I actually enjoy the early, early eps of Season 1 because its fun to see how green everyone was, then overlapping what we know will happen as their characters develop. One of my favorite moments is in TGAS when John is helping wash that gunk off of Aeryn's hands and they both look at each other. It is the tinest moment but something passes between them that is electric!

[Spedoinkel]

I don't hate the ep. The only ep I actually turned off was Re: Union. I've never seen Dream A Little Dream.

[AyuRocks]

I don't care too much for that episode either.

Anywho, I do hate JC, but I don't tell people it's the worst in S1, because they do have to have an open mind. I usually tell them there is one episode in the S1 that is my absolute least favorite, and I totally can't stand it, but it gets way better. Then I wait until their done to see if they know which one I was talking about. I have to give them some disclaimer about that episode, in some form, otherwise I think they'd completely stop watching after that.

[ralfschumacher]

I wasn't to keen on this episode but it was okay. The bit where they thought Rygel was some sort of God was funny.

[Dangermousie]

JC, together with CMC and LAMST of S4, I,ET of S1 and DALD from S2, forms the five that constitute my least favorite episodes. I usually skip it. Just not much drama to interest me, I am afraid. It has some moments that are mildly amusing (Rygel as God) or mildly intersting (the very beginning) but overall it feels FS-goes-Hercules.

My fave from S1? If I could pick a two-parter, it would be Nerve/THM. But I can't pick just one of them since they so perfectly complement each other, so my fave episode would have to be AHR.

[xaysana10]

I like Jeremiah Crichton. This episode holds a special place in my heart because it was the first Farscape episode I saw. I also think it has stood the test of time and remains on my Season 1 viewing list.

My favorite season 1 episode is 'Through the Looking Glass,' which has one of my favorites shippy one liners "I'd never leave you."

[nullbyte]

I, for one, liked "Jeremiah Crichton" a lot. I found the story itself was entertaining, but there was something else about it that I found intriguing: it took Moya & Company something like three months to find Crichton. You don't see an episode covering that kind of time span in most shows.

More than any other preceding episode, this was probably the one that got me hooked on Farscape; I think a few of the earlier Season 1 eps were somewhat bland and didn't help transform me from "checking out this show" status to a fan. This one sure helped, though.

[David Falkayn]

Jeremiah Crichton was an important ep for John learning to accept his situation but it isn't among my favorites, probably *because* our favorite astronaut acted like such a child in it. And then there's that beard thingy that was attached to his face...

I adore Throne for a Loss, Through the Looking Glass, A Bug's Life, Nerve, Hidden Memory...okay, can't actually pick one, but its hard!

I don't think John was acting like a child so much as the dam holding back all his frustrations and anger at the situation he was in finally bursting. Basically, he's saying that he's had enough of being pushed around and belittled and that he wasn't going to take it anymore. In a way, you could say that this episode markes the point where John finally begins standing on his own two feet.

[TalynLives]

I like it. It's definitely not as bad as people claim it to be in my opinion anyway. It's watchable unlike I-ET and The Flax (I hated The Flax even though some people rate it as one of their favourite season 1 eps).

[BrentBarrett]

I would place both Flax and I, E.T. over JC. JC was okay, but it was just too Hercules/Xena for my tastes. :)

[MrX]

I could never hate The Flax. I mean, that's the episode with Zenetan Pirates. And, IMO, one of Farscape's best one-shot characters, Staanz.

But I understand why so many people don't like this one very much. I'm a much bigger fan of Crichton's other bearded episode. Season hiatus gives one plenty of time to grow a real beard.

[TalynLives]

And, IMO, one of Farscape's best one-shot characters, Staanz.

He was precisely what I hated about that episode :D Ewww, he was so sleazy and disgusting.

[Mr.Blue]

Only one person ruled wildely in the Flax ep. RYGEL!
Its his greatest performance in season1 for sure!

[DRD 1812]

It's a good one. But I can't choose, I love all the Farscape eps...except Eat Me.

[rylett]

is not one of my favorites, but i can understand how he feels. everyone treats him as a liability and he is constantly shoved out of the way. that would make anyone unhappy. they all come to somewhat of an understanding and he
rises to a new level of maturity.
The Flax is not tops either, but it has some of my favorite interaction between john and aeryn.
i rank I, E.T as one of the worst episodes of the whole series.
the best are Premier, PK Tech Girl, DNA, Durka, Human Reaction, Through the Looking Glass, Nerve, Hidden Memory and Family Ties.

[TalynLives]

Is not one of my favorites, but i can understand how he feels. everyone treats him as a liability and he is constantly shoved out of the way. that would make anyone unhappy.

Ah yes. My work experience last year...

they all come to somewhat of an understanding and he
rises to a new level of maturity.

And that's where the similarity with my work experience ends.

[Frell-n-Grok]

What Grapeshot said!

[MALCOLM XERXES]

I was just wondering what everone's favorite seoson one episode was.:smokin: TUE. OCT. 5/2004/22:05 E.S.T.

RR17,

My own favourite Season 1 episode is FARSCAPE™: “DNA MAD SCIENTIST”, although I also enjoyed ”I, E.T.” quite a lot.

[Nicola]

Hi Malcolm! :hi: Good to see you over here. :joy:

Jeremiah Crichton was not one of Farscapes best episodes (or even best Season One episode), but I love the way the writers (and Ben) showed the effects of culture shock throughout the season. Culminating in the "crisis stage" at the beginning of this episode. I studied culture shock in depth at university and it was quite a charge for me to watch John Crichton go through the stages in classic manner. Especially the crisis stage. *snerk*

Good thing that he found an hospitable planet to land on though... or his crisis stage would have been the end of it. ;)

[Spedoinkel]

DNA is a good ep, but I, ET? There are quite a few things wrong with the ep. For me it's at the bottom of the season 1 list. My fav season 1 would probably be PK Tech Girl. You really see where the different relationships will start going in that one. D'Argo gets a bit more character than, "Muscle". Though Crais isn't there you can feel his presense the whole time. Rygel gets alot of character work done. And it introduces the hottest character to ever show up on Farscape (IMHO) Gillina.


Mmmm, Gillina.

[TalynLives]

One good thing about I,ET: Rygel taking a bite out of Aeryn's arm then chewing on the flesh with a smug look :)

[MALCOLM XERXES]

Hi Malcolm! :hi: Good to see you over here. :joy:

Jeremiah Crichton was not one of Farscapes best episodes (or even best Season One episode), but I love the way the writers (and Ben) showed the effects of culture shock throughout the season. Culminating in the "crisis stage" at the beginning of this episode. I studied culture shock in depth at university and it was quite a charge for me to watch John Crichton go through the stages in classic manner. Especially the crisis stage. *snerk*

Good thing that he found an hospitable planet to land on though... or his crisis stage would have been the end of it. ;)WED. OCT. 5/2004/09:34 E.S.T.

NICOLA,

Thank you for your hospitality; “it’s good to be seen!” ;)

FARSCAPE™: “JEREMIAH CRICHTON” impressed me because it did something that STAR TREK: THE NEXT GENERATION™ only dared to do in Virtual Reality: namely, to place the Protagonist in a set of circumstances from which he was helpless to extricate himself, thereby forcing him to assimilate into a culture where *he* is perceived as the alien.

I suspect that the stages of culture shock have a hierarchical construct of some sort, like ABRAHAM MASLOW’S Hierarchy of Needs, & if so, could you delineate it for us, please?

Also, what was your field of specialisation @ university, if I may ask?

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SPEDOINKEL,

Please elaborate about the “quite a few things wrong with [FARSCAPE™: “I, E.T.”]” that places it so low on your own list.

I can certainly understand the appeal of FARSCAPE™: “P.K. TECH GIRL”, since it followed a tried & true, classic SFTV trope (again, STAR TREK™) of having the Protagonist caught up in a relationship that is doomed to failure even before it begins.

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TALYNLIVES,

I grok the fullness of the totality! :D

POST SCRIPTUM:
"Science Fiction *is* the Jazz of Literature", how very true!

[Nicola]

WED. OCT. 5/2004/09:34 E.S.T.

NICOLA,

Thank you for your hospitality; “it’s good to be seen!” ;)

FARSCAPE™: “JEREMIAH CRICHTON” impressed me because it did something that STAR TREK: THE NEXT GENERATION™ only dared to do in Virtual Reality: namely, to place the Protagonist in a set of circumstances from which he was helpless to extricate himself, thereby forcing him to assimilate into a culture where *he* is perceived as the alien.

I suspect that the stages of culture shock have a hierarchical construct of some sort, like ABRAHAM MASLOW’S Hierarchy of Needs, & if so, could you delineate it for us, please?

Also, what was your field of specialisation @ university, if I may ask?

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My masters is in Social Anthropology. My thesis was called "Rethinking the Concept of the Trailing Spouse". I spent a lot of time on culture shock and everyone and his dog seemed to have a 'reimagining' of the stages. But I think that the very first one was quite sufficient. The stages are (1) Honeymoon, (2) Crisis, (3) Rejection (4) Gradual Adjustment, (5) Acceptance. No one goes through these stages in order, and no one is ever completely finished with the adjustment. But these are, roughly, the emotions and attitudes that people experience when encountering a new culture.



POST SCRIPTUM:
"Science Fiction *is* the Jazz of Literature", how very true!

This is one of my favourite quotes. Especially when people give me that blank stare suggesting that they really don't get it.... ;)

[MALCOLM XERXES]

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My masters is in Social Anthropology. My thesis was called "Rethinking the Concept of the Trailing Spouse". I spent a lot of time on culture shock and everyone and his dog seemed to have a 'reimagining' of the stages. But I think that the very first one was quite sufficient. The stages are (1) Honeymoon, (2) Crisis, (3) Rejection (4) Gradual Adjustment, (5) Acceptance. No one goes through these stages in order, and no one is ever completely finished with the adjustment. But these are, roughly, the emotions and attitudes that people experience when encountering a new culture.

This is one of my favourite quotes. Especially when people give me that blank stare suggesting that they really don't get it.... ;) WED. OCT. 5/2004/12:37 E.S.T.

NICOLA,

Acknowledged, thanks for the intel!

Social Anthropology is quite a fascinating field; I’m impressed.

“The Trailing Spouse” is not a label or concept with which I am familiar, so I don’t know that I would need to “re-think” it.

Thank you for breaking down culture shock for me.
I have never undergone the “Honeymoon” stage, so perhaps there is hope for me, yet! ;)

“That blank stare” speaks volumes about an individual’s ignorance of so many different things….

[Spedoinkel]

Yes PK is somewhat classic scifi, but as I said, it is a great character episode.

For I, ET there is the Translator microb issue for one, and also they were still filming in sections at that point, so that caused problems. It is also rehashed scifi, a bit too familiar for my tastes. The characters remain basically the same. It was really alot of technical problems.

[MALCOLM XERXES]

Yes PK is somewhat classic scifi, but as I said, it is a great character episode.

For I, ET there is the Translator microb issue for one, and also they were still filming in sections at that point, so that caused problems. It is also rehashed scifi, a bit too familiar for my tastes. The characters remain basically the same. It was really alot of technical problems.WED. OCT. 5/2004/20:58 E.S.T.

SPEDOINKEL,

Acknowledged, thanks for the intel.

What do you mean by “filming in sections”?

[Spedoinkel]

For the first 12 eps they filmed several episodes at a time. So if one ep used a certain set, they would film it, then skip to the next scene in that set. So a scene in one ep, could be filmed directly after a scene in the previous ep. Confused the hell out of everyone.

[futuro]

I liked JC. Not at first because the neon people bugged me too. But I grew to like it on subsequent viewings. I just didn't look at the beard.

On the matter of I, ET: I really liked that one because In the previous ep, Premiere, John was the hands-down alien. I, ET played with the idea of who really gets to be the alien? From our perspective John's not the alien and so on. The translation issue bugged me and still does. But what really bugs me is what exactly was it that John was going to be missing at the end of the ep? I hope it's not because he fell in love with the alien.

[MALCOLM XERXES]

For the first 12 eps they filmed several episodes at a time. So if one ep used a certain set, they would film it, then skip to the next scene in that set. So a scene in one ep, could be filmed directly after a scene in the previous ep. Confused the hell out of everyone. SUN. OCT. 10/2004/19:12 E.S.T.

SPEDOINKEL,

Acknowledged, thanks for the intel!

I rather thought that would be the case, for that is what Executive Producer GARY DAVIDSON has proposed for his SFTV series, FINNEGAN’S SQUAD™ (http://www.titanrainbow.com) & QUICKSILVER™.

It will certainly make for some challenging times, of that I have no doubt….

[Spedoinkel]

I hope it's not because he fell in love with the alien.
Well she was the first person to actually be nice to him, so of course there would be a connection.

[Zegota]

Just watched JC today. Not the greatest episode, but I think people overstate the crapiness (fans and producers). If you had told me to pick the season one episode that was generally agreed to be the worst, I probably wouldn't have been able to pick JC.

[Scaper_S]

JC is not my fave from season 1. That would have to be TFAL , or the Flax.

[HawkZon]

I would place both Flax and I, E.T. over JC. JC was okay, but it was just too Hercules/Xena for my tastes. :)

What exactly do you mean by Hercules/Xena?
Kevin Copeland was in a Xena episode.

[teleri]

On the matter of I, ET: I really liked that one because In the previous ep, Premiere, John was the hands-down alien. I, ET played with the idea of who really gets to be the alien? From our perspective John's not the alien and so on. The translation issue bugged me and still does. But what really bugs me is what exactly was it that John was going to be missing at the end of the ep? I hope it's not because he fell in love with the alien.

I'm thinking he's going to miss the (almost) human interactions on a very Earth-like planet. He changes his mind by the time of Jeremiah Crichton, tho. Or has changed his mind during the 2-month sejourn on that planet.
BB
Teleri

[reb_cibl]

[um, probably my least fave ep of season 1, sorry bout that. Fave is definitely Nerve, the acting was gr8, story gr8 and it introduced the magnificent, unbeatable villain in Scorpy. :bowdown:

[aidor]

i love dna mad scientist. what a plot!!!

poor pilot and aeryn.

[ctheokas]

I thought JC was too Xena/Hercules as well. Too Hercules, anyway. It had too much of that flavor visually. I, ET had problems with the translator microbes thing, and suffered like JC in terms of visuals.

However, The Flax, DNA Mad Scientist, PK Tech Girl, A Human Reaction, zand pretty much the last five or six eps were great. If you make me choose, though, it'll have to be The Flax, simply because I'm a shipper, and that ep, I think, really got the ball rolling. The look on Aeryn's face when John asks D'Argo what took so long was priceless.

[Beautiful Beard]

it took me ages to rack my brains and try and remember what this ep was about and thankfully ti was repeated on BBC3 on Saturday.

I have to say i like the episode and i remember thinking it had a great story, better than some in the later eps.

It did nt have much high tech stuff or action sequences or complicated deceptions but it was a fun simple enthralling stand alone story.

And sparky being a god was a great joke.

[HawkZon]

it took me ages to rack my brains and try and remember what this ep was about and thankfully ti was repeated on BBC3 on Saturday.

I have to say i like the episode and i remember thinking it had a great story, better than some in the later eps.

It did nt have much high tech stuff or action sequences or complicated deceptions but it was a fun simple enthralling stand alone story.

And sparky being a god was a great joke.

I liked it too.
We see that those on Moya spent months looking for John.
Something they wouldn't have done in the beginning.

[Beautiful Beard]

On thing that did surprise me in this ep was the role reversal between ZHaan and Dargo.

Zhaan wants to give up the search and seems cold and calculating, not compassionate as she normally seems.

D' is the one who wants to keep the search going. True, he may have felt guilty for getting Chriton into this mess but normally he would have said its all JC's fault and let him get on with it.

[Nicola]

Actually it was all John's fault. He was the one who threw the temper tantrum and refused to finish releasing the pressure on Moya's amnexus systems. Which mean that Moya had to starburst to release the blockage herself. A blockage John caused by the way, because he was running the Farscape-1 module in the maintenance bay.

Any which way you look at it, John was responsible for his own predicament.

Zhaan's behaviour is quite interesting though. You have to take into account that it has only been five episodes (plus three moens) since Zhaan reawakened her dark impulses in "That Old Black Magic" so I think she is still struggling to overcome that - in spite of her enounter with Taleen and her wacky bunch and what she learnt from them in "Rhadsody in Blue" she still isn't fully in control.

Not to mention that Zhaan can be very pragmatic when she needs to be - and she perceives the threat to all of them from the PK's that they court the longer they search for Crichton.

What I found hard to reconcile about Zhaan's attitude is how she fell apart in "Dream a Little Dream" which took place in the timeline right after "Family Ties". I just never bought that an 10th level 800 year old P'au would disintegrate into a puddle of nothing because she had to come to terms with the possibility that three of her shipmates voluntarily sacrificed their lives for Moya, Talyn, Chiana, Rygel and herself. Especially contrasting her attitude in this episode - which was that Crichton made his own choice and now must deal with the consequences.

[sny]

I just never bought that an 10th level 800 year old P'au would disintegrate into a puddle of nothing because she had to come to terms with the possibility that three of her shipmates voluntarily sacrificed their lives for Moya, Talyn, Chiana, Rygel and herself.

I always figured it was because it's one thing to be cavalier and accepting about sacrificing yourself for others after you've lived 800 years. It's a much more difficult and totally different thing to accept others sacrificing themselves for you when you've lived such a long life. John and D'Argo are supposed to be somewhere in their thirties at that point, aren't they? Seeing someone that young die when you've lived 800 years might seem as big a tragedy to her as one of us seeing a toddler die. She may still feel unworthy of their sacrifice following her last bout with madness and have her up days and her down days.

Throw in the fact that John, D'Argo and Aeryn are all miles younger than her 800 years, the fact that she still hasn't quite made peace with the decision to become a priest again, and the stress she's under from being incarcerated again for a murder she didn't commit, bringing up the memories of her former madness and violence, and her Peacekeeper captivity, seems reasonable to me that she probably wouldn't be easily accepting of the fact that they might be dead. Especially since they've really melded as a family by then.

Part of it might be numbers. She may feel in JC that risking the lot of them for one crew member is not an acceptable risk, especially as the crew member tromped off in a huff in the first place without regard for the rest of them. Maybe her feelings are a little hurt by that and there was a slight edge of sour grapes to it. I think she's emotionally attached to John, Aeryn and D'Argo by then, but not as willing to admit it as she is later on, by the time DALD rolls around.

Or not. I haven't really gone back and looked at all the eps between to see if that fully explains it.

[Nicola]

"Dream a little Dream" was a disapointment to me 'cause I couldn't accept that an 800 year old 10th level P'au couldn't handle a bunch of conniving lawyers blindfolded and with one hand tied behind her back.

Couldn't swallow the premise.

Not to mention that someone who has lived for 800 years is going to have encountered death once or twice before. Her life skills would have taught her - even if she did not draw upon the lessons of her Delvian Seek - how to handle the death of friends and comrades. Even friends who are so much younger than she is.

[sny]

"Dream a little Dream" was a disapointment to me 'cause I couldn't accept that an 800 year old 10th level P'au couldn't handle a bunch of conniving lawyers blindfolded and with one hand tied behind her back.


What about being a P'au would prepare you to mount a defense against a being framed for a murder on a planet where you're unfamiliar with the culture and the legal system, though? And maybe it's my faulty memory (admittedly, I haven't seen this ep in a loooong while) but I got the feeiling it wasn't so much that she couldn't handle these people, it was more like she didn't really want to.

Based on the little I can remember from my last viewing, and the synopsis here http://home.earthlink.net/~tanstaafl/farscape208.html Zhaan seems a mite... suicidal or fatalistic in that ep. She doesn't seem to care how she ends up. She only really starts to care about the outcome of the trial once Rygel and Chiana become her lawyers and may share her death sentence. For most of the episode, though, she seems to almost welcome the idea of being punished. She treats it almost like her punishment from the universe for her three friends being dead. She seems to do a lot of beating herself up for failing in her "responsibility" to the rest of the crew to take care of them.

Seems like I also had the passing thought back when I watched it the first time that maybe they were drugging her in jail, but it's been so long I can't really remember. She was occasionally pretty wiggy for a while after Rhapsody in Blue, so back then I may have attributed it to the aftereffects of a that episode.

I did always wonder if this ep would have made more sense and been a little less odd-feeling in its original intended order, as the season 2 premiere. Flashback episodes never worked much for me in any show. I'm not sure I saw this one at all until I got the DVD set, come to think of it...

[Nicola]

Based on the little I can remember from my last viewing, and the synopsis here http://home.earthlink.net/~tanstaafl/farscape208.html Zhaan seems a mite... suicidal or fatalistic in that ep.

That is the problem right there. I didn't buy Zhaan's response to the possibility of Crichton, D'Argo and Aeryn's death.

Zhaan is an amazing character with strength beyond any of the other characters. And she fell apart like a wet tissue - and she had fallen apart well before she was arrested for murder.

In addition, Zhaan allowed herself to be manipulated by conniving lawyer which anyone with half a brain (and she most certainly had more than half a brain) would have known was going to lead to a problem. A big problem.

Zhaan isn't stupid. Zhaan isn't passive. Zhaan isn't weak.

This episode presented Zhaan as all those things.

"Dream a little Dream" disappointed me enormously because Zhaan was not written with integrity for the character.

Had the show dwelt on the guilt Zhaan felt for her lovers murder and then extrapolated that guilt into accepting punishment for a murder she didn't commit - I might have accepted that. But that wasn't what "Dream a Little Dream" was about.

[Beautiful Beard]

I agree with your assessment that Zhaan sort of appeared un Zhaan like in thsi ep.

I also dont quite grasp the presentation of Rygel and Chiana in "DALD"

Just because the law says they cant lie, doesnt mean they would have to revert to legitiamte tactics.

I would expect Ryg and Chi to look for a way to cheat or bribe their way pur, or Ryg to see this as a challenge to make sure he does his best lyng ever.

That trick woth the glowing stick just seemed a bit cheap and easy for the normally Dick-Dastardly-Deviousness of the Emperor.

[Aidyn]

Through the Looking Glass would have to be my favorite season 1 episode. The episodes preceeding this one didn't impress me, and I was about ready to stop watching the show.

However, there is a certain romantic scene between a certain couple, for some reason it caught me off guard, and enthralled me. Couldn't get enough Farscape after that.

One little scene, in one little episode, and it tottaly dumped my previous oppinion on its head.

[AerynPK]

i hated this 1 i found it very boring and that nothing happened. it was not funny at all or interesting.

[Doc Holiday]

On eof my fave season 1 episodes is "A Human Reaction". Oddly enough I do not remember exactly what happens in Jeremiah Crichton.

[TheEeshew]

I just saw "Jeremiah Crichton" today with "The Flax".

Loved them both. Mostly because, like all FS episodes I've seen thus far, there's great interaction between our characters--which was partly what I found attractive about FS.

In "The Flax", Pilot (one of my favorite characters) gets some great lines. I love how Pilot gets everyone's attention in "The Flax" while they were all arguing among themselves.

(after a massive screetching) "So sorry. I appear to have hit the wrong com." :applaud:

"Jeremiah Crichton" was good, too. As mentioned, it brought more depth to Rygel's character. I also love stories where all-proud leaders are proven wrong and humiliated.

And couldn't help not to laugh hard where they start worshiping Rygel. Seeing the stone Hynarian statue reminded me of Fival Goes West where the Native mice are about to cook Tiger when their chief sees the rock formation behind him. :applaud:


My two favorite episodes of Season 1 are "DNA Mad Scientist" and "They've Got a Secret".

"DMS" because, as mentioned, it gives us a darker view of some of our characters as well as some depth into Pilot's character. And it brings Aeryn and Pilot closer together (in more ways than one)--which is especially interesting, knowing of their past which we learn in a later episode.

"TGAS" because it magnifies Moya as a character, making her more than just a ship. (Moya is also my favorite character.)

[Nicola]

Two more different episodes back to back - and you liked them both! TheEeshew - I think you are officially addicted... ummmm converted.... ummmm 'scaped. Yeah - that is what I mean - 'scaped. :D

And some of the best episodes of Season One are in your immediate future! *snicker*

[TheEeshew]

My parents are wondering why I watch this "weird stuff". :lol3:

I think they've gotten too used to me watching familiar stuff like Trek, Wars, and B5.

I'm trying to think of a response. So far, I thought of: "It IS weird. That's why I watch it."

[Nicola]

Tell them it is because the aliens are "different from the waist down" (i.e., they are alien), the writing is outstanding, and the acting is award winning.

Plus it is one heck of a rollercoaster ride of a story. ;)

[Lisa Rose]

Sorry but this is literally a forgettable episode... I didn't see it. however my favorite episodes were much more memorable seeing John Crighton married,frozen,fathering a child, headless, & letting Scorpius escape. What season were these episodes.

[SaphirJD]

In General i like all episodes, only not the Season 2 Episode Dream a little dream, so i can finally say "Jeremiah Crichton" is a nice episode.. should watch it again on DVD if i have time :)

[scorponaleash]

Sorry but this is literally a forgettable episode... I didn't see it. however my favorite episodes were much more memorable seeing John Crighton married,frozen,fathering a child, headless, & letting Scorpius escape. What season were these episodes.

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You speak of "Look At the Princess" episodes from Season 2

You'll soon find out WHY John allowed Scorpius to leave (if you don't already know)

"Jeremiah Crichton" is the ep where John is having a case of "cabin fever" and decides to take his module for a quick spin when all of a sudden Moya starbursts (because she's pregnant... and pregnant creatures do strange, hormone-driven things)... so he (John) stumbles across a planet which reminds him (in certain ways) of earth... so he sets up camp and has nearly become complacent with his new surroundings when Moya and crew come looking for him. The ensuing comedy of errors makes for an almost "ho-hum" episode... but it's STILL FarScape... and so (yep, you can call me a "fanboy" if you want... but I like every single frelling episode... from the beginning all the way through and including 99.999999999999% of the PKW

[blitzed]

although there are countless alternative realities into which crichton's module could have emerged on that fateful day, we really only see him in the one - i.e. on moya. Except for Crichton Kicks, we never really see him on his own, without the support of his "ready made" dysfunctional family.

I'd have like to have seen at least a few episodes where our hero has to deal with separation - and Jeremiah Crichton offered an early opportunity to do that, which unfortunately failed rather miserably. The opening of this episode was fine- where he stalks off in his module, infuriated and frustrated by the mocking attitudes of his shipmates, only to have them starburst away. I wish they could have made a better effort with this setup.

[Vortigar]

JC...
This is the episode I've seen most of all (I'm only in my first run-through of the series, mind). And that is because I caught it thrice on cable. And it indeed put me off the series the first time. The second time I saw it, it was when I was following a rerun of the series from episode 1 on in and the third time was when I got back from vacation once and turned on the tv in the middle of the night. Pop, there was bearded Chrichton again... (They aired the first season three times and nothing else in Holland as far as I know.)

When I got the DVD's and watched it again I have to say I grew a bit fonder of the whole thing. But I can't help but be reminded of Chakotay from Voyager (I hate that fragger) by the chieftan. And the colour choices are absolutely insane. I think they either
1. should've shot the entire episode through a orange/purple colour filter instead or something, changing lighting, sky, sand, plants. That way it would've clearly shown it was an alien planet instead of just having the people dressing up in 'unusual' coloured clothing. But to have to touch the results up would've been rather costly (cross ref. Brimstone). Or
2. should've pulled it closer to a sort of enlightened Asian/African tribe that looked far more like they would on Earth. Only fiddle around with tiny differences and customs, but at least put together far more grimier/grittier/dirtier.
With the respect and attention they brought to everything else that was alien this episode came off as a poor effort (Xena/Hercule-esque as others have noted).

As for the meaning of the episode in the story. Well, it is actually rather important as many have noted. Much like wine I've grown to like this episode, but I still don't think its a very good vintage.

Aside to Malcolm Xerxes: All hail the Crimson King!

[Nephythys]

It's the ep I look forward to the least in season one-

Favorite? hmmm......not sure right now :)

[Moya's Starburst]

wasn't there a scene in JC where Aeryn wa swearing one of Crichton's boxer shorts? because i found that really funny.....

[ScapeJunkie]

They did have a lot of absolutely eye-wrenching color combinations in this episode, and the whole series even. But don't take that as a negative crit, just an observation.;)