D'Argo & Chi: What Should Become of Their Relationship...?!

[SCAPERFOREVER1904]

I have always hoped that D'Argo & Chiana would get back together. What does everyone think about their relationship? Do you think that they should rekindle their relationship even further...? I believe that following the events in "Bad Timing," D'Argo and Chi will need each other more then ever.

[JrMissToughChick]

I liked Chi and Dargo together But I do doubt they'll ever be more than Lovers

~JrMTC~

[JadedLegend3]

Originally posted by JrMissToughChick
I liked Chi and Dargo together But I do doubt they'll ever be more than Lovers

~JrMTC~

I agree. Chiana has no interest in being a farmer's wife, and that's why she slept with Jothee to begin with. She wanted D'Argo to be angry with her so he wouldn't want to marry her anymore. She knew that he wouldn't really accept her desicion otherwise. I like D'Argo, but I definately understand why Chiana did what she did. I think they're fun together, but that's about it. Don't think it will ever be anything substantial.


Jacqui :love:

[Darth Buddha]

D'Argo & Chi want different things from a relationship

Chi wants just right now. D'Argo wants a future.

Spoilers from Horizons




D'Argo doesn't fulfill his farmer dream. He fulfills his desire to become a great warrior and leader. His dreams were mutually exclusive... and he got one. I think he is lucky!

[SweetpeaAeryn]

I think that the opportunity is there for them to get back together. But, I don't know if they will. They will always have an amazing relationship, but I just cannot see Chi ever settling down. BUt, hey, it's Farscape, you never know what could happen.

[JadedLegend3]

Originally posted by Darth Buddha
D'Argo & Chi want different things from a relationship

Chi wants just right now. D'Argo wants a future.

Spoilers from Horizons




D'Argo doesn't fulfill his farmer dream. He fulfills his desire to become a great warrior and leader. His dreams were mutually exclusive... and he got one. I think he is lucky!


This is assuming that we take "Horizons" as the ultimate set-in-stone ending. It could just be one man's idea of how it should end. :shrug:


Jacqui :love:

[JrMissToughChick]

Originally posted by JadedLegend3
This is assuming that we take "Horizons" as the ultimate set-in-stone ending. It could just be one man's idea of how it should end. :shrug:


Jacqui :love:
That is funny isn't it every one always goes to Horizons

I agree. Chiana has no interest in being a farmer's wife, and that's why she slept with Jothee to begin with. She wanted D'Argo to be angry with her so he wouldn't want to marry her anymore. She knew that he wouldn't really accept her desicion otherwise. I like D'Argo, but I definately understand why Chiana did what she did. I think they're fun together, but that's about it. Don't think it will ever be anything substantial.
That was everything I wanted to say but didn't say in my first post ;)

Much Love,
~JrMTC~

[Selena]

D'Argo and Chi made a great - albeit odd - couple. I hope they get back together.

[Perfect_Tommy]

Well while we're enovking the holy "Horizons" :P

spoiler space.....




Horizons actually goes on to say that Chiana and D'Argo don't ever repair the damage. Chiana goes on to marry two men, at the same time and they never really hint on D'Argo's love life that I remember, but him being a great warrior I'm sure he might not have anyhting beyond your typical warrior groupies :P



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I actually hope they don't get back together. Because I do like Chiana, but I still hold a grudge. She doesn't deserve D'Argo. I mean it's not just like she cheated on him, she cheated on him with his son ::cough cough Jotheeisawank cough cough cough:: And she even admits that she used it as a reason NOT to face the future that D'argo wanted for them. I actually made a music video of Suns and Lovers that focused on that part of the episode. I guess I'm not the easy forgiving type. :shrug:

[who45]

I would like to see them back together, but I don't see it happening. I think they will always have a connection though.

[Clarsax]

I would like to see Chi and D'argo get back together. I don't like the way she cheated on him with his own son, that was like something off of Jerry Springer. But I think since then she has grown into a more mature person, someone who is more deserving of D'argo. At the same time, I'm hoping D'argo has changed enough not to try and force Chi into a future she doesn't want. I thought that was unfair of him to just assume she would come with him to live on a farm without ever asking what she wanted out of her life. It sounded like a lifestyle she would find boring and I was surprised D'argo didn't even take her feelings about it into consideration when he made his plans. If she has matured enough and he thinks to ask about her goals and what she wants before making those kinds of decisions for her, I think they could have a relationship that will work.

[JrMissToughChick]

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got back together or at least recriated after they blewup Katratzi.

~JrMTC~

[JadedLegend3]

Originally posted by JrMissToughChick
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got back together or at least recriated after they blewup Katratzi.

~JrMTC~


They did. But I don't know if that really means anything.


Jacqui :love:

[witchdoctor]

I don't think D'Argo and Chiana will get back together as an exclusive couple, the above mentioned recreational coupling notwithstanding. I do think there is a basis for friendship. In the episodes after Jothee left Moya, we have seen them interact as friends, and even trust their backs to each other. D'Argo has come to trust Chiana again, but as a friend. Crichton told Aeryn once that he would trust her with his life, but not his heart. I think the same could be said for D'Argo regarding Chiana. Where as John did eventually trust Aeryn with his heart, I don't think D'Argo will. That one betrayal was enough and he no longer wants Chiana as his wife. Granted, they both might have some wistful 'what might have been' sentiments occasionally, but when he found that Chiana had cheated with Jothee, that possibility in their relationship was forever closed.

[Judith]

Originally posted by Clarsax
But I think since then she has grown into a more mature person, someone who is more deserving of D'argo. At the same time, I'm hoping D'argo has changed enough not to try and force Chi into a future she doesn't want. I thought that was unfair of him to just assume she would come with him to live on a farm without ever asking what she wanted out of her life. It sounded like a lifestyle she would find boring and I was surprised D'argo didn't even take her feelings about it into consideration when he made his plans. If she has matured enough and he thinks to ask about her goals and what she wants before making those kinds of decisions for her, I think they could have a relationship that will work.

I agree. I think they have both matured. Remember, in the pilot episode, we find out that D'argo is only 30 cycles old. He has matured a LOT on the show, which is why he makes such a good captain. I think that this time he will be more respectful of the fact that if she is ever ready to marry, it's not gonna be any time soon. And I think she has matured (though she still has a long way to go) and isn't as inconsiderate as she used to be. Farscape is good at making sure their characters continuously evolve, just like people do in real life.

[Kaelin]

I never really liked D'argo and Chiana as a couple. I don't know why alot of people like to pair off people in shows and make them love anotehr cast members.

I really didn't think those 2 had chemistry together onscreen. No offense to their acting abilities I jsut didnt feel it for the couple.

But then maybe I'm just still holding mt breath for a John and Chianna relationship. It could happen!

[JrMissToughChick]

But then maybe I'm just still holding mt breath for a John and Chianna relationship. It could happen!
ROFLMEO :rollin: that is very funny I don't think that they would work Yes John and Chi love each other but I don't see him Loving her in that way she is more of a little Sister to him, but she might want him and as a matter of fact she does in my opinion she has told him sevral times that she Loves him and has attempted to suduce him more than once and in Kansas(spoilers)

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She got to be Karen Shaw but she also in my opinion Loves Dargo and thats another reason they'll never be together Because he isn't going to Date his best friends ex and he is deeply in love with Aeryn witch is the number 1 reason they will NEVER be an Item!

~JrMTC~

[SweetpeaAeryn]

Originally posted by JrMissToughChick
ROFLMEO :rollin: that is very funny I don't think that they would work Yes John and Chi love each other but I don't see him Loving her in that way she is more of a little Sister to him, but she might want him and as a matter of fact she does in my opinion she has told him sevral times that she Loves him and has attempted to suduce him more than once and in Kansas(spoilers)

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She got to be Karen Shaw but she also in my opinion Loves Dargo and thats another reason they'll never be together Because he isn't going to Date his best friends ex and he is deeply in love with Aeryn witch is the number 1 reason they will NEVER be an Item!

~JrMTC~

I think that John and Chi will always have an extremely special relationship. And heaven knows... maybe it is influenced by their "past" relationship on Earth.

I can't wait until John finds out it was really her!!!! :D

(Edited for spelling.)

[Judith]

I kinda got the vibe that he did figure it out.

You'd think that trip would have sort of triggered his memory.

"Wait...halloween...I slept with a girl who was dressed like an alien...now my friend is passing as an earth girl in a halloween costume, and hitting on young me...huh. No coincidence there".

[JrMissToughChick]

Yeah I have been thinking about a fic about that but I kinda thought Aeryn would be madder at Chi than John would be what do you think I want Ideas?

~JrMTC~

[Judith]

Originally posted by JrMissToughChick
Yeah I have been thinking about a fic about that but I kinda thought Aeryn would be madder at Chi than John would be what do you think I want Ideas?

~JrMTC~

I might be pissed if I were John. Cause she knew better and he (young he) didn't.

[JrMissToughChick]

Originally posted by Judith_Shakespeare
I kinda got the vibe that he did figure it out.

You'd think that trip would have sort of triggered his memory.

"Wait...halloween...I slept with a girl who was dressed like an alien...now my friend is passing as an earth girl in a halloween costume, and hitting on young me...huh. No coincidence there".
John was too busy with his own stuff that and those Frelling Lakka poppers that pusher I mean Nuranti had been giving him I doubt he knew what chi was doing.

~JrMTC~

[JrMissToughChick]

Originally posted by Judith_Shakespeare
I might be pissed if I were John. Cause she knew better and he (young he) didn't.
But he was young He might be mad but I kinda think Aeryn would have been realy mad... Chi is her best friend how would you fell?

~JrMTC~

[Judith]

Originally posted by JrMissToughChick
John was too busy with his own stuff that and those Frelling Lakka poppers that pusher I mean Nuranti had been giving him I doubt he knew what chi was doing.

~JrMTC~

I guess...I got the impression that the Lakka didn't really affect him except in regards to Aeryn. Which now that I think of it doesn't really make sense, cause with drugs, even alien ones, you don't get to pick what parts of you are affected by drugs and what parts aren't. So now I kinda want to know what other people thought. I think I might start my own thread cause now I'm curious.

[Judith]

Originally posted by JrMissToughChick
But he was young He might be mad but I kinda think Aeryn would have been realy mad... Chi is her best friend how would you fell?

~JrMTC~

He was young when it happened, but I think he'd be mad when he found out.

[JrMissToughChick]

do that we are kinda highjakeing a Dargo Chi thread here ;)

~JrMTC~

[JrMissToughChick]

Originally posted by Judith_Shakespeare
He was young when it happened, but I think he'd be mad when he found out.
Yeah he would probaly be mad but in my head he would also remember If he knew who she realy was when he was 16 he would have probaly still went for it. That John Is Not The One We All Know and Love He was mad at the world and cheated on his girlfriend to lose his virginaty to a total stranger He was different and I think John would remember this when he Finds out the truth.

~JrMTC~

[SueDonym]

I thought D'Argo and Chi made an interesting pair. He grounded her and she spiced him up. They needed each other but I don't think that either was really ready for it at the time they fell in the sack together.

As for the break up....WHoah. That was really bad. Sure Chi didn't want to play happy families, but that was no reason for her to break up D'Argo's first chance to start one with his son. Very effective though, and perhaps the only way to get D'Argo to really listen to her.

In very slight Chi defense here, because I just thought of it (although the behavior itself is still totally reprehensible), who the frell did D'Argo think he was with all that time? What in hezmanna made him think that Chi would ever be content to live the life of a farmer's wife? This just goes further to demonstrate that they must have been relating to some idealized version of their lover rather than facing the person in front of them. Chi saw a good friendly frell in D'Argo; D'Argo saw a potential to recapture the life he'd lost in prison. Neither of these pictures fit the person in front of them...or what they themselves really *needed* from the other person.

I think that the Jothee incident really forced them to face each other. Sure they didn't like a lot of what they saw, but it was reality. And I think they've both done a LOT of growing since then and might be ready to face the reality of a relationship with each other.

Does anybody think that D'Argo was really ready to fully relate to a woman until he finally faced his ghosts over his first wife? Or what about Chi? Although the blindness is a terrible thing, it has forced her to stop running if only because she can't. She has to acknowledge that she needs people now, which is hard for her. Also, she has found real courage in facing other people in a manner which is not just kiss or kick. She has laid her life and her sight on the line for her friends, which is a far cry from the Chiana we originally saw.

Throughout their time on Terra Firma, Chi and D'Argo did a delicate dance around each other, with Chi nudging D'Argo about the issue of forgiveness (related to Aeryn and JC). Although, in typical Chi fashion, she expressed her interest while campaigning to bed young John. Whatchagonnado?

By the end of Season Four I thought their relationship had real possibilities again, and I for one was glad of it. She needs a friend now.
PS And I'm sure D'Argo still has very deep feelings for her. He will rightfully be cautious about it. Much like JC they love women to whom it is dangerous to trust their hearts. Perhaps that's why he and JC are such good friends, and why D'Argo was so careful to warn him about Aeryn.

[Judith]

Originally posted by JrMissToughChick
Yeah he would probaly be mad but in my head he would also remember If he knew who she realy was when he was 16 he would have probaly still went for it. That John Is Not The One We All Know and Love He was mad at the world and cheated on his girlfriend to lose his virginaty to a total stranger He was different and I think John would remember this when he Finds out the truth.

~JrMTC~

Well, I understand that the younger John has a very different world view. However, Present John has recently come to interact with Chiana as a comtemporary. She's not as much the little sister anymore. And I think that looking back with the perspectives on an adult, he may see her actions as taking advantage of a child.

[SueDonym]

Yep. Neglected to include that on the Evil Moyan's breakdown of Chiana. Statuatory rape of a minor? Depends on how old he was and what the laws are where he is. When it's a boy it's not seen as taking advantage as much, but...or rather BUT...not nice necessarily, especially as she knew that JC as an adult would refuse her, several times.

Hey. I tried to get the discussion back on track. I'm just going with the flow here. :)

[JrMissToughChick]

I never said he wouldn't be mad at her I just think he would Remember how he was back then before he cast judgement. I think in most US states the leagal age is 16 so it wasn't Statuatory rape. But still Young John cheated on Kim to be with Karen don't any of you blaim him at all?

~JrMTC~

[Judith]

Originally posted by JrMissToughChick
I never said he wouldn't be mad at her I just think he would Remember how he was back then before he cast judgement. I think in most US states the leagal age is 16 so it wasn't Statuatory rape. But still Young John cheated on Kim to be with Karen don't any of you blaim him at all?



I don't believe cheating on someone is right. But original question you posed had to do with how much JOHN would blame her for her actions, not how much I would blame John for his.

[JrMissToughChick]

I think what I was trying to say is I think JOHN would blaim himself

1. For not Figuring it out sooner
2. For being an Idiot in his youth

I do think It would change how he saw Chiana, and I think she would do her best to keep that from him.

~JrMTC~

[JrMissToughChick]

I got off topic somewhere I think I was the one that asked the question :rollin: oh well good comments though.

~JrMTC~

[NeilGartner]

About this entire Chiana making out with the teenage John Crichton. I thought Chiana pretty well broadcasted her intentions to the adult John Crichton that she wanted the younger version of himself. I believe it went along the lines of 'I do him and you can do her... No questions asked.'

To top it off, he leaves Chiana alone with him in the garage in the back of Betty. Regardless, Crichton had bigger worries, like keeping his dad off that shuttle than being concerned with Chiana scoring with his younger self.

Neil

[JrMissToughChick]

I decided the Lakka kept him off balence enogh not to get that, "You take care of her, uh, I'll take care of him" line.
We talked abou this some earlyer in the thread and some in the Lakka Thread.

~JrMTC~

[NeilGartner]

Originally posted by JrMissToughChick
I decided the Lakka kept him off balence enogh not to get that, "You take care of her, uh, I'll take care of him" line.
We talked abou this some earlyer in the thread and some in the Lakka Thread.

~JrMTC~

I thought that drug was suppose to keep things from bothering him and not to reduce his ability to put two and two together. He took it to deaden his love for Aeryn so he can move on and nothing else. Later, it was shown he did it to protect Aeryn and the baby from Scorpius.

And Crichton did knew exactly what Chiana intentions were when she said that line to him. Did you see the look on his face? :eek3: That look said it all.


Neil

[JrMissToughChick]

I thought that look was what the heck are you doing She just hit his then Girlfriend Kim.
chiana: So this is what you like.
John: She's a nice girl
Chiana: how about you take care of her, um I'll take care of him
John: (looking at her) Fine Chiana(pip chi i don't remember)
Chiana: no questions asked(under her breath)
John: What?
it went something like that it's half quote half memory?
I still am not convenced he knew but maybe we'll find out.

~JrMTC~

[Darth Buddha]

Chi is a sweetheart. She's kind and thoughtful at times. Unswervingly loyal on many levels.

But she is, and will always be, a maneater.

Nice boys who fall for the likes of that get their hearts broken. So better she finds a partner OUTSIDE the Moyan family from time to time.

[GARNET]

If I remember Young John believe his girlfriend was break up with him. The girlfriend confirm that young John was think that which John confirm under his breath that she was going to do that. So it make sense that when young John came back to the truck and found Chiana there and the girlfriend gone, he believe that she left him so it was over and Karen Shaw could move right in (It the same as Jenevia in the lake from Look at the Princess pt3 after Aeryn left him)

[JrMissToughChick]

Okay now it's comfort sex?

I think that like you said he thought she was going to brake up with him but maybe she broke up with him because of Karen. He only thought she was. She didn't seem to think she was at the time. I don't think that her just leaving was his excuse to say, "oh my girlfriend left, and that hot Grey chicks back lets go shag." (sorry about that.)

The Jena thing thats more complicated I'll admit. He thought he was going to be a statue for 80 Cycles yes, Aeryn left him yes, but would you have gone to a wedding for the man you were in love with It was what was best for her. John was in love with Aeryn Married to Katrala and slept with Jena. sounds a little like an episoad of Melrose Place to me.
I had more but I'll omit it.

~JrMTC~

PS: we hijacked a Dargo and Chi thread and made it a John and Chi thread are we proud of ourselves?

[JadedLegend3]

I think John knew full well what Chiana did to the younger version of him, and I seem to remember at some point him saying something about not wanting to know....b/c he deep down already did know.

I don't think he would ever be mad at Chiana. He picked her to help him...what on earth does he think her idea of "help" is? He had to have known something like that would happen.

I don't think Chiana gets a lot of credit around here. People don't seem to want to give her the depth that she deserves. She has a lot of feelings, most of them pain, and everyone just always passes her off as a slut. I don't think that's right.


Jacqui :love:

[GARNET]

Young John was not in the best state of mind at the time. He was angry with life from his father right down. He even wasn't speakng to his girlfriend but standing on rocks near the water while she was in a truck. Young John may only be thinking his girlfriend was braking up with him but in his state of mind her leaving was good enough to believe it came true espically with Chiana standing they acting like the girfirend just walk away. God only knows what she told Young John too.

As for D'Argo and Chiana, it going to be tough as it was before as Chiana still a free spirit and D'Argo wants to be more on level ground.

The only thing about Chiana sleep with Young John is not how John or Aeryn wil take it but D'Argo. John is his best friend and Chiana went after his younger self while she wasmake passive attempts at D'Argo right after would in Terria Firm. Remember he was happy with her behavior in Prefect Murder either and that weas with straighters not his best friend younger self.

[JrMissToughChick]

Originally posted by GARNET
Young John was not in the best state of mind at the time. He was angry with life from his father right down. He even wasn't speakng to his girlfriend but standing on rocks near the water while she was in a truck. Young John may only be thinking his girlfriend was braking up with him but in his state of mind her leaving was good enough to believe it came true espically with Chiana standing they acting like the girfirend just walk away. God only knows what she told Young John too.

I think Chiana was talking to him about his Famliy but She probaly said hey your Girl friend left I see Chi saying that.


Originally posted by GARNET
As for D'Argo and Chiana, it going to be tough as it was before as Chiana still a free spirit and D'Argo wants to be more on level ground.
The only thing about Chiana sleep with Young John is not how John or Aeryn wil take it but D'Argo. John is his best friend and Chiana went after his younger self while she wasmake passive attempts at D'Argo right after would in Terria Firm. Remember he was happy with her behavior in Prefect Murder either and that weas with straighters not his best friend younger self.

I agree but in my head if John and Aeryn knew they would never tell Dargo. and I doubt Chi would volenter that info.

I think John knew full well what Chiana did to the younger version of him, and I seem to remember at some point him saying something about not wanting to know....b/c he deep down already did know.

I am not sure but I think I remember him saying "I don't even want to know" but I'm still thinking the lakka and stress played into his memory of these events.

I don't think he would ever be mad at Chiana. He picked her to help him...what on earth does he think her idea of "help" is? He had to have known something like that would happen.

yes I am not sure how long he would be mad at her but it would change thier relationship. it's funny when I started this last night I didn't think he would be mad either but now I think he wouldn't be made long

I don't think Chiana gets a lot of credit around here. People don't seem to want to give her the depth that she deserves. She has a lot of feelings, most of them pain, and everyone just always passes her off as a slut. I don't think that's right

I give her alittle more credit than some. Personly I think she loves John. I also think that if 16 year old John knew she was an alien he would have still went for it so I think she isn't compleatly at fault.

~JrMTC~

[Paul Cousins]

Originally posted by JrMissToughChick
I give her alittle more credit than some. Personly I think she loves John. I also think that if 16 year old John knew she was an alien he would have still went for it so I think she isn't compleatly at fault.

~JrMTC~

Of course John would, he's part geek. :aok: