Lakka Use Question

[Judith]

I got the impression that John's lakka use didn't really affect him except in regards to Aeryn. Which now that I think of it doesn't really make sense, cause with drugs, even alien ones, you don't get to pick what parts of you are affected by drugs and what parts aren't. So now I kinda want to know what other people thought. What did you think during the first half of season four? How much did you perceive John as being affected by the lakka?

[JrMissToughChick]

I kinda thought that it skewed his entire preseption he did things that were off I think it made him lose some of his facultys not exactly as much as he did in season 2 but still off (spoilers for ISTFIA)
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John seemed even though he was trying to save his friends Like a bit of a jerk. I liked this ep but still. I'll think of more give me a few minutes

~JrMTC~

[JrMissToughChick]

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Also in a perfect murder although you can see they arn't working like granny said he still was about to shoot Aeryn

~JrMTC~

[JrMissToughChick]

I don't remember what happend in CBC but in Kansas(spoilers)









Chiana as much as told John what she was doing But he was so rapped up in his other stuff and with those frelling poppers I doubt he got what she was saying.

~JrMTC~

[JrMissToughChick]

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He walked right past Aeryn and I doubt he even new she was there That is just my opinion though.

~JrMTC~

[Darth Buddha]

Interesting... I hadn't considered the effect that was having. I think I can see it though.

[SueDonym]

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JC pausing to take a big sniff of lakka while in an airduct right above his enemies and friends almost got him captured in I Shrink. He was totally out of control.

His guilty start when almost caught sniffing in the ep with the mind-controlling insects was classic addiction behavior.

He seemed more self-absorbed, more easily set off and "off" in general throughout the time that he was using. I think BB played it as a growing addiction that was affecting his personality as well as his choices. "I can quit anytime" (I Shrink again) is just classic. It was distressing really and made me very suspicious of Noranti's motivation in giving it to him.

[Bekka Horror]

John was just plain nasty throughout S4, most noticeably to Sikozu. Having only seen the whole seasons of 1 and 4 I couldn’t say weather it was the drugs or just cynicism gained from his experiences.

I would like to think it’s the drugs though as Sikozu is my favourite character and he was just cruel to her at some points, he was alot more accepting during the first season, for example when Chi joined.

[JrMissToughChick]

Did I spell that badly last night *sheesh*

Sorry about that
~JrMTC~

[CrystalMoon]

Things are more complicated with Sikozu than with Chiana. For one thing, Sikozu never hid her contempt for any of the Moya crew, including John. It's hard to like someone when they have an attitude of disdain for you.

Also, everyone knew about her fascination with and attraction to Scorpius. In John's mind, anyone who thinks Scorpius is a good guy is not someone John's going to trust. Plus, in TF, Sikozu left Earth to be with Scorpius. I can see how John would find this very suspicious.

I don't see John being cruel to her. That's a very strong word. But he was definitely suspicious of her. Oh, I suppose you could say he was cruel in ACD, but I would excuse him because of the circumstances. But maybe others wouldn't.

Also, don't forget that he's the one who offered her a ride on Moya in the first place. And he would've been fine with her staying on Moya in BT, but she wanted to leave with Scorpius. Remember, he told her to get counseling.

[JrMissToughChick]

In terra Firma didn't John say















"You can stop Whoreing for him," or somethin like that? she voted for scorpy in NE every one new it was her.

~JrMTC~

[Bekka Horror]

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John was Alot more sospicious of Sikozu, than Chiana. In Chiana's first episode he sure she killed someone and then lied straight to his face, yet is nice to her in the next ep.

Sikozu didnt even meet scorpi till half way through the second ep (wwl:pt1) and then it wasnt for more than about 30 seconds while he trys to get her to save his life. They dont meet again untill ep 5 (promises), we dont know how much time has passed between then but John probibly had time to explain why he dosent like Scorpi if he had thought it a big deal.

Sicozu doesnt vote for scorpi till the end of the next ep, would she have done it if she knew the whole story, or at least details from one of the other crew members. If some relitive strangers (who dont seem to like you/are uninterested) tell you that another stranger is "evil" or however they described him (but didnt geve specifics i would assume). Are you really going avoid this person or would you try and find out more for yourself.

OK im taking this compleatly off topic now so im gonna stop (maybe i sould bring this up in a different thread). i just think tha this if farscape, nothings as cut and dry as some people make it out to be

[JrMissToughChick]

Sicozu doesnt vote for scorpi till the end of the next ep, would she have done it if she knew the whole story, or at least details from one of the other crew members. If some relitive strangers (who dont seem to like you/are uninterested) tell you that another stranger is "evil" or however they described him (but didnt geve specifics i would assume). Are you really going avoid this person or would you try and find out more for yourself Everyone on Moya told her how Scorpy is not just John. Sikozu Liked him in my opinion because he saved her life. That can make you like someone quikly. After he saved her life I doubt anything they said would have made her feel Differently.

~JrMTC~

[grapeshot]

It's been theorized elsewhere that Crichton may have a penchant for addictive behavior. As evidence of this it has been pointed out that in Season 2's "Taking The Stone", he took an awful chance in trying the mushroom he's offered, and he didn't seem to think about it very hard. Also, in "Terra Firma", the way he stares at those old photographs in the abandoned drug dealer's house where they camp out could lead one to believe he had a prior relationship with those people. On the one hand, this all seems pretty inconclusive. On the other, we've all observed that John can on occasion exhibit some pretty reckless behavior.

As for the lakka, well there's addiction and there's addiction. Some people can take or leave alcohol, and others cannot have a drop without totally losing control. I agree that Crichton seemed to exhibit some classic symptoms of drug addiction (a change in personality while on the drug, and increasing the dosages and frequency). It's just one more question that will have to be answered in the future episodes!

[JrMissToughChick]

Originally posted by grapeshot
It's been theorized elsewhere that Crichton may have a penchant for addictive behavior. As evidence of this it has been pointed out that in Season 2's "Taking The Stone", he took an awful chance in trying the mushroom he's offered, and he didn't seem to think about it very hard. Also, in "Terra Firma", the way he stares at those old photographs in the abandoned drug dealer's house where they camp out could lead one to believe he had a prior relationship with those people. On the one hand, this all seems pretty inconclusive. On the other, we've all observed that John can on occasion exhibit some pretty reckless behavior.

As for the lakka, well there's addiction and there's addiction. Some people can take or leave alcohol, and others cannot have a drop without totally losing control. I agree that Crichton seemed to exhibit some classic symptoms of drug addiction (a change in personality while on the drug, and increasing the dosages and frequency). It's just one more question that will have to be answered in the future episodes!

In LATP he tells someone at the kissing party, "no thanks I stoped raveing years ago," I too was thinking about this. good point Grapeshot ;)

But the looking at the pic was probaly him thinking about his actions and likkining it to the Drug dealer not necicaraly he had dealings with one... or maybe he knew that one?

~JrMTC~

[CeRell]

It would be classic teenage rebellion to turn to alcohol/drugs especially with his dad being so socially elite yet leaving his wife and son alone so much. We hear bits here and there from John, "now you know how I felt everytime you left, Dad" (A Human Reaction) Then when John matured and had the opportunity to enter the space program, he quite likely cleaned up his act.

I can easily see John turning to drugs and alcohol when life became too rough. In Thank God it's Friday John downs his drink without his customary evaluation. His worry and pain regarding Aeryn makes it quite logical that he'd turn to the Lakka.

It would be a very interesting disection to note John's overall behavior during his Lakka period. From what I recall, he was less empathic towards the world, definately colder towards Aeryn.

John and Chiana...Season One John was still the wet-behind-the-ears-astronaut. Once he went through the Aurora Chair, once the chip was implanted and starting to drive him nuts, he started to change his attitude towards others. So, season one John would and could have overlooked Chiana's indescretions. By the time Sikozu showed up, his friends were gone and he was a-l-o-n-e..She shows up, destroys his work and proceeds to put him down at every step. Chiana didn't do that, she was trying to save her ema. Sikozu tried to double cross John (Crighton Kicks). When she then later took up with Scorpious, well, I simply see no reason why John would have been 'nice' to her.

[JrMissToughChick]

In Thank God it's Friday John downs his drink without his customary evaluation

It was DNAMS sorry for corecting you :)
I think your post is right on though Dagnabit this is turnning into a John Bashing thread.

~JrMTC~

[Judith]

I'm a big fan of John and I don't see it as turning into a John bashing thread. I'm going to co-opt Buddha's term...we can't let ourselves whitewash characters, even if we like them them. Addiction is something that is, in it's very nature, ugly.

It's important to discuss his bad qualities as well as his good. That's the best thing about Farscape. Flawed characters you love anyway.

[JrMissToughChick]

John is great But as he said in Twice shy, "Give me a brake I'm a guy, I'm weak, , I'm only human," well not a quote more like paraphraseing

~JrMTC~

PS: I love John too don't get me wrong I know my recent post seem to be anti Crichton but still He is one of my Favorites!

[suenix]

One of the main reason that I like Farscape is because ALL of the characters
are flawed. And ,this being Farscape, they are flawed in wildly unpredictable
ways. It it is a rare show that "challenges" you to like the hero.

I will confess that there are lots of moments in season 4 that I find John's behavior confusing and frustrating. But the fact that I do, just tells me that
I'm also finding the behavior compelling to watch.

This is the measure of a good story.

But to answer the original question, yes I think that John is very close to out
of control while "under the influence". I would be scared if I were depending on him.

[CrystalMoon]

Also, I think it's very interesting in UR that one of the talking heads started saying that John had been drinking and taking drugs. It was an alternat future, but it's still interesting that one of John's possible futures involves alcohol and drug abuse.

Sometimes I wonder if his mom drank too much. Sitting there on the patio with her deck of cards (forgot what they're called) with a cocktail next to her. Probably not in the ep, but it would fit, imo.

[padmeskywalker]

I don't trust Norani, I'm sure she was part of it..

[Paul Cousins]

Guys, in Season 4, John used those drugs because it was the only way he stoped thinking about Aeryn, which didn't really work that well, so that Scorpy would not suspect that John was in love with Aeryn and that Aeryn was pregnant with John and her's child. Which Scorpy would/did use her to get what he wants from John.

John said all this in a later episode of season 4, when Moya's coms were down and we also find out that Scorpy had bugged Moya's coms.

[Judith]

I think he states at some other point that that wasn't his only reason for the lakka use. Anyone else remember that?

[JrMissToughChick]

yes I don't know where it's from but it sound Familiar.
~JrMTC~

[talyn3]

Doesn't he say at some point that he doesn't need it, but it takes the edge off. At that point it would seem that he'd begun to realize the effects it's having, maybe he's been through an addition before and he can tell he's messed up, or maybe people have confronted him with it, i.e. Dargo, I believe says something to him in one ep. I agree that the good and the bad make characters much more real, it just ads to the story. Maybe John had a good time in college, you know a real good time.

[JrMissToughChick]

Yeah it use to be in my sig it was in ISTFIA

Nuranti: you can take them as long as you need it
John: I don't need it. It just takes the edge off.

[RydraWong]

Guys, in Season 4, John used those drugs because it was the only way he stoped thinking about Aeryn

Bear in mind that "I have to take drugs/drink/whatever in order to cope because it hurts so badly otherwise" is ... well, a pretty classic line (almost as classic as "I don't need it, but ...").

Actually, the lakka use really didn't surprise me at all, given the way John had been drinking before, especially in season 3. It's not a question of quantity so much as style; we see him drinking on his own at one point, for example (can't remember which ep). Or in S&S, getting smashed to deal with being miserable and Aeryn-less.

I really liked the way Farscape handled the whole lakka issue precisely because they didn't turn it into an Issue - y'know, This Week's Serious Issue Is Drug Addiction - Kids, Drugs Are Bad!

But IMHO you could certainly say that John has a definite pattern of using various substances to "take the edge off". And people under extreme stress do often do that. Doesn't mean it's the smartest way of coping, but it's human and understandable.

[padmeskywalker]

TS is where he tells Aeryn he's using it so Scorpious doesn't figure out he loves her and all (which let's face it, Scorpious is NOT THAT stupid, so it was pointless... the issue he was trying to prevent happened anyway...)

it's sorta like superman and batman, they won't tell the girl they like who they are cuz 'they might get hurt', BUT ironicly enough they end up getting hurt by the badguys going after them, and they don't know why, which makes it worse....

just my 2 cents.

[Paul Cousins]

Originally posted by RydraWong
Bear in mind that "I have to take drugs/drink/whatever in order to cope because it hurts so badly otherwise" is ... well, a pretty classic line (almost as classic as "I don't need it, but ...").

Actually, the lakka use really didn't surprise me at all, given the way John had been drinking before, especially in season 3. It's not a question of quantity so much as style; we see him drinking on his own at one point, for example (can't remember which ep). Or in S&S, getting smashed to deal with being miserable and Aeryn-less.

I really liked the way Farscape handled the whole lakka issue precisely because they didn't turn it into an Issue - y'know, This Week's Serious Issue Is Drug Addiction - Kids, Drugs Are Bad!

But IMHO you could certainly say that John has a definite pattern of using various substances to "take the edge off". And people under extreme stress do often do that. Doesn't mean it's the smartest way of coping, but it's human and understandable.

Given everything John has been through, can we truly blame him for taking something to take the edge off of life.

[NeuralClone]

There are probably going to be some J/A 'Shippers who will hate me for saying this - but I thought the ending of "Twice Shy" far to facile in the way it resolved John's drug and relationship problems. The way the first half of the season was set up it appeared that John was retreating into addictive behaviour to deal with relationship problems. It was very believable, both from what we knew of John and from what we'd seen before. Then, bam! - there's really no problem, no addiction, and he's just pretending, and everything gets wrapped up in a big bow for a happy ending. Or at least - a happy ending until the next major frell-up. :ewink: It seems to me that the whole situation was just swept under the carpet instead of being dealt with.

Now I don't mind John having problems with Scorpius, but to me the way this was done strikes me as being an excuse: "I'm not the problem - it's that Evil Scorpy's fault!"

Rydra - John had built a still and was drinking alone in Crichton Kicks. Is that what you're thinking of?

[CrystalMoon]

I agree with Neural Clone on the ending of Twice Shy. I thought it skipped over a lot of very real issues between John and Aeryn much too quickly. What J&A need to do is talk about their relationship. Talk about trust and honesty and what they want from a relationship. Instead, we get a 2-second explanation that sounds good on the surface but doesn't wash when you really look at it.

I agree that John was taking the lakka to dull the emotional pain. Sure he was worried about Scorpius, but then why did he always have this flashes of him and Aeryn together when he took the lakka. Also, Scorpius is a smart guy. If he doesn't know how John feels about Aeryn, then he has one huge blind spot. Everyone on the Royal Planet know. Sikozu know. Grazay knew. The Scarrens interrogating Aeryn knew. The experts on Earth knew. And Scorpius doesn't know? John was just fooling himself, imo, if he thought that.

FWIW, I know a lot of shippers who were very unhappy with the ending of TS.

[padmeskywalker]

Yeah, agreed... there was still plenty of stuff left to talk about, but at least Aeryn wasn't completely left in the dark, that's what I hated...

from TF and all....

John accuses Aeryn of not being honest, and not trusting, but he has a huge problem with communication it seems to me (ok, yeah very few guys don't, but still...)

[NebariNookiee]

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I think a lot of folks have missed the whole point about John using the drug. I honestly don’t believe he used them to help dull the pain of his relationship – he used it to protect Aeryn and his friends.

In JQ John realizes that his feelings for Aeryn have clouded his judgement. The Lakka provides a means to clear his head. Think about it – Scopry is on Moya and John is scared drenless that he will discover John’s one true weakness – Aeryn. He’s afraid that if that fact becomes clear to Scorpy then it would put her and the baby at risk. He realizes that too many people close to him have died because of him. I don’t feel it’s a moment of weakness that he takes the drug – its more like what else can he do? He needs to force some distance between them in order to protect them. The only other thing he could do is leave – and that was never an option in his mind.

Taking the Lakka also sets up his return to Earth. Had he not been taking the drug, I feel he would have found Moya by focusing on Aeryn. For so long his one driving force was to return home – now his motives have changed and Aeryn is his driving force. But the drugs dulled those feelings. That’s why he took the “wrong turn” and ended up orbiting Earth. It’s a writer’s set-up to get John back to Earth.

[CrystalMoon]

NebariNookie,
I see everything you're talking about. And I do believe John might have tried to tell himself that the lakka was just for protecting his friends. However, I don't buy it. I think John was fooling himself in many ways, and I would expect to see J&A still have trust issues in the future since they never resolved those from before.

Plus, I still can't believe Scorpius didn't know about how John felt about Aeryn.

[padmeskywalker]

I agree w/ you both...

also agree with the Scorpious is not dumb enough to not see how John felt and all, Scorpious knows that Aeryn is pregnant, from NE, when John announced it over the whole ship... Scorpious knows that John would never abondon the baby or Aeryn, so correct John was stupid to believe that would help, but he tried....

anyways.....

side point, I hope to god, they do NOT put more 'trust' issues in the mini, I for one am tried of the 'will they, won't they' thing, they love each other, and are engaged, leave it be...

focus on the baby, and the 'issues' THAT will no doubt bring, with Aeryn's upbrining (iff you can call it that) and all...

another side point, does anyone know which 'books' Aeryn borrowed from Olivia in TF??? I'm curious to see what she was reading, can imagine it was either 'how to catch the man of your dreams' or 'how to be a good mom' one.. (lol, you get the point)

[NeuralClone]

Thinking about the ending of Twice Shy ... wasn't it ironic that we saw Sikozu talking to Scorpius about "inclusion and honesty"? It sort of underlined the whole issues thing going on between John and Aeryn.

(Intentionally, perhaps? Scorpius has often been a mirror to John.)

NebariNookie - I'd agree with you on any show but this one - but Farscape has always dealt with people in shades of grey, and with very, very mixed motives. And to say the least, John's behaviour was a bit ... emotionally unbalanced this season.

[padmeskywalker]

No agruement there, we all saw John's 'unstablness'

[Judith]

Originally posted by NeuralClone
Thinking about the ending of Twice Shy ... wasn't it ironic that we saw Sikozu talking to Scorpius about "inclusion and honesty"? It sort of underlined the whole issues thing going on between John and Aeryn.

(Intentionally, perhaps? Scorpius has often been a mirror to John.)



I like that. I hadn't thought of that. Cool.

[NebariNookiee]

I'm only focusing on John's rational here. Regardless of right or wrong – I see it as John’s fed up and either doesn’t know what else to do or simply doesn’t care anymore. The addiction -- which I’m hesitant to call it that -- is secondary to the motive behind using. If it were a true addiction I doubt he could have stopped as quickly as he did. Once the truth came out he stopped cold turkey.

[Darth Buddha]

Psychopharmacology is not universally drug abuse

Many drugs that ARE physiologically addictive are prescribed by doctors every day because they have beneficial pharmaceutical effects.

I give you the whole class of anxiolytics... starting with valium and ranging up through something as benign as Ambien (a diazepam-like sleep aid).

Anti-depressants also have some withdrawal effects... like a much higher risk of suicide during the drying out period.

Then of course there are pain killers.

Most of us indulge in caffeine. Some of us indulge in tobacco. Chocolate has some psychopharmaceutical properties. Anybody else here take ginseng?

So we may be going way over the top here. Granny may actually know what she was doing. It happens now and again.

[RydraWong]

However, John seems to be taking the lakka for all the wrong reasons - i.e. to numb himself. And anyone who decides by themselves to double the "prescribed" dose of a drug is certainly mis-using it.

(I take prescribed psychopharmacological meds, but if I started doubling the dose when I wanted to "take the edge off", I'd say my doc would be worried ...)

It's never made clear whether the lakka is physically addictive in any way, but John certainly displays a fair few signs of psychological dependence on it.

[JrMissToughChick]

I thought it was psychologicaly addictive, but at the risk of sounding like shippers advocate If he could back come from the dead because of his love for Aeryn what's to say he couldn't brake an addiction for her.

~JrMTC~

[NebariNookiee]

Its all conjecture – John explains it himself in Twice Shy – whether or not we agree with it is a moot point – he is a danger to the crew and specifically Aeryn. Regardless if Scorpy knows or not, John is still a threat to them – as we see in John Quixote. Using the drug to distance himself, in his mind, makes sense. His doubling the dose shows to me that his feelings for Aeryn are so strong that the drug doesn’t work that well against them. As far as a psychological dependency goes, I don’t buy it. He quit cold turkey. He and Aeryn have taken that step and simply doesn’t need the drug anymore. The attitude that seems to be going on here is that he’s two steps shy of being a full-blown junky and I’ve never seen that. I don’t see it as addictive behavior – I see it as a guy who’s gone over the edge and simply doesn’t know what to do anymore. He's made bad decisions before -- what's one more?

[padmeskywalker]

Yes, true love wins all battles (lol, sorry, couldn't resist...)

[JrMissToughChick]

I thought it was psychologicaly addictive
I ment if he was addictide it was Psychological. If he wasn't, he was putting on a good show though.

~JrMTC~

[padmeskywalker]

As far as a psychological dependency goes, I don’t buy it. He quit cold turkey.

I have to agree here...

No one truly addicted to anything can 'quit' so fast...

point? He wasn't addicted.....

It's from a medical standpoint, so.... they know their stuff.

[Judith]

Originally posted by NebariNookiee
Its all conjecture – John explains it himself in Twice Shy – whether or not we agree with it is a moot point – he is a danger to the crew and specifically Aeryn.

One possibility...given the nature of Farscape it IS possible that Twice Shy wasn't intended to be the end of the drug issue, or its long term effects on John.

[CeRell]

I just rewatched Twice Shy and again the tag irritates me. The whole ep John is declaring his love for Aeryn. And yet out of the blue, *suddenly* John up and declares that Scorpy is spying on him. Neither he nor Aeryn are idiots so why did this scene occur? Both John's statement of Scorpy's spying and Aeryn's disbelief of it, seems totally illogical. Isn't that afterall obvious? Anyone have a logical reason for this scene? It seems more and more to me that the writers dumped the original ending at the last minute and tossed in the one they ended with. Ideas?

[JrMissToughChick]

well they changed the begining of MAA so maybe you are right it didn't realy fit the ep. But I don't know they could have told the writer GET JOHN AND AERYN BACK TOGETHER I DON"T CARE HOW

[padmeskywalker]

Maybe they were all unhappy with the ending to TF, and so they needed to 'fix' it, but they could've done that on Earth, in fact, right before the alien comes into the Crighton home, when Aeryn is crying and asking John if he'd rater her leave, I got the impression, he was gonna tell her then...

just me though, his eyes softened, and he stepped close to her, ya know????

[JrMissToughChick]

I heard it was in the script when she said "I'll do what you prefer" he says "stay"

[padmeskywalker]

really???

Why those idoits, should've left it in...

[JrMissToughChick]

I agree

[padmeskywalker]

well...

I guess they know what they're doing...

side point, Claudia's hair is brownish red till season 4, where it's black..

I know they said she was wearing a wig, but they should've gave her one that was closer to her hair color.. unless PK's can 'dye their hair' lol ;)

[CeRell]

We're gonna have to ask Claudia her natural hair color ;) It seems a dark seal brown, rather than an actual black. Where do you note precisely that Aeryn has brownish red hair? I only recall it being a dark brown ;D....I've got time for the next month to go over the eps with a backhoe!

[tedbragg1]

No wonder I couldn't stand John in S4...he was on lakka, and an addict.

Noranti is probably some form of Aeryn in an unrealized reality, or maybe Noranti is J/A's child? Wormhole hopping might have adverse sideeffects, so who knows?

John as an addict...I've been around guys going through drug addiction, and John is a spitting image. No wonder he was sucha jerk.

If this were any other show, the whole thing would've been wrappe dup in one episode. God, I love Farscape!

[CeRell]

I thought Wrinkles was a very old Chiana, still in love with John, and still stubborn at times.

[JrMissToughChick]

No way Wrinkles is Chiana if thats the case I'll be very angry.
Nuranti is Nuranti nothing more to it Just Her from the present and Very anoying. She is a Truscun not Nebari not Sabacean not Sabacean/Human Just what she is. They're are prbaly layers to her but She is not Chi or related to John and Aeryn in any way she is her.

~JrMTC~

[CeRell]

No worries. With the advent of new Farscape, I suspect they'll drop the Noranti storyline in favor of all the others that have more potential for angst. Afterall..whose afraid of an old crazy woman?

[JrMissToughChick]

But isn't it weird that all the women that meet John like him at least at first(I'm talking about Sikozu there by the way B/C he wasn't very nice to her after she teamed up with Scorpy)

Aeryn
Zhaan
Geleena
the girl in JC
Chiana
Jena
Jool(but I'm thinking as Friends)
Nuranti
Grayza(sorta)
Sikcozu(at first)
PK defector Nurse(but that was probaly more for the cure)

I probaly missed some

~JrMTC~

[NeuralClone]

Um, he wasn't that nice to her BEFORE she teamed up with Scorpius. :( He accused her of doing some pretty nasty things in WSS.

Crichton gradually became less and less empathic as the series wore on, and I think by season four he reached a stage where he could no longer reach out and make friends as he used to. He'd turned in on himself. But put it down to first being rejected for his twin, then deserted by all his friends in DWTB, then being stranded on Elack for months, then finally his rape by Grayza.

[JrMissToughChick]

Do you mean WWL? If so he thought she had betrayed them but it was part of the plan.
No scorpy saved her life From then on No one on Moya Trusted her they thought they teamed up.

~JrMTC~

[padmeskywalker]

Where do you note precisely that Aeryn has brownish red hair?

LATP, you can tell it's brown, but has red highlights or undertones whatever you call it.

[NebariNookiee]

Aeryn's hair is blue/black (you can see it CDM) except in season 4. It was a wig, so it doesn't count. :smokin:

[padmeskywalker]

NOT in LATP, you can clearly see it's brownish red, I was only wondering why it is different there...

[NebariNookiee]

I think the lighting was picking up the blue highlights, which should have shown as a soft violet hue, but due to film stock appeared more red. But Aeryn's hair is blue/black. Film is tricky like that.

[JrMissToughChick]

are we off Johns drugs and on the topic of Aeryns hair?

Drugs: Watched Kansas last night I still don't think John New Chi was Karen,

Hair: What does it mater?

~JrMTC~

[padmeskywalker]

isn't it weird that all the women that meet John like him at least at first

No, I remember Aeryn couldn't stand him for the longest time...

hair? who cares?

I was only wondering, because I thought her hair was supposed to be black, and then I watch LATP, and it 'looks' brownish red... of course, it's down and isn't normally and all, but I was only curious as to if anyone else noticed it... not trying to start anything...

[JrMissToughChick]

She was Just figting herself Trying to show him she didn't care remember PKTG?

Aeryn: In the begining I found you... Interesting, Just for a moment.

She liked him ;)

~JrMTC~

[padmeskywalker]

Not as much as those other silly hair-brained excuse for a female, at least Aeryn had the brains to a) keep it quiet for a while, b) make sure he was worth all the trouble and c) not expose herself and emotions to enemies... John did enough of that for everyone...

[JrMissToughChick]

Yes she is smarter than lets say Geleena She falls for him knowing if anyone found this out she would be Executed now that was stupid.

~JrMTC~

[padmeskywalker]

AND Aeryn isn't 'throwing' herself at him... that throws me w/ some of the stupid aliens...

It's like they see him and once, don't know who or what he is, and don't bother to ask, at least Aeryn asks first. INFO is always good... but I don't want to change the subject, so I'll quiet down for now.