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DangerWillRobinson
12-08-2003, 05:35 PM
Rick Berman A Trek Conservative

Author: Michael Hinman
Date: 12-08-2003
Source: TrekWeb


Many fans and critics will say that Star Trek really has lost its punch over the years. According to one former writer producer, Ronald D. Moore, that could squarely fall on the shoulders of one executive producer Rick Berman.

"They were just always conservative," Moore -- who worked on both "Star Trek: The Next Generation" and "Star Trek: Deep Space Nine" said of Berman's leadership. "You were always pulling back from something. You were never given a note saying, 'Go farther. Go wilder. This needs to be more shocking.' It was always, 'Pull it back. Be safer.'"

Moore, who is the executive producer of Sci-Fi Channel's "Battlestar Galactica" miniseries, as well as HBO's "Carnivale," told IGN Filmforce that Berman and other producers on DS9 fought constantly over many story arcs and plot points, including one point where the Ferengi character of Nog (Aron Eisenberg) suffers an injury as a result of the Dominion War, featured through the sixth and seventh seasons of the series.

"I remember one particularly insane argument that (executive producer) Ira (Steven Behr) and Rick had when Nog was injured, and ended up losing a leg," Moore said. "There was this ridiculous extended argument that I was in a room while Ira was on the phone. We had written the draft where he had lost both legs, and Rick was just appalled. 'We can't lose the character's legs!' And we were like, 'No, we've got to. We've got to have somebody who's injured in this war who's not just a guest star in the background.'

"It was a very important point. And the argument got to the point where they were arguing about, 'Well, does it have to be one leg or two? And is it above the knee or below the knee?' It was just, like, they were negotiating over where Nog was to lose his leg. It was just absurd."

Another major portion of the DS9 backstory that came under fire was the Dominion War itself, which lasted the final two seasons of the show.

"I remember when we got into the Dominion War, Rick was adamant at first that the war would only take three or four episodes at the most, and we just said, 'Sure!'" Moore said. "We lied.

"We just knew that once we got the ball rolling, that we'd never wrap it up in three or four episodes, so that was just trickery. And then, as the war went on, Rick would weigh in periodically about how heroic the characters are, and 'Why does this one have to be so depressing' and 'This one's too violent ...' And we're like, 'It's a fuckin' war! What do you mean it's too violent?'"

Finally, Moore said that he and other producers wanted DS9 to continue past the seventh season. But with "Star Trek: Voyager" on the air, Paramount wanted none of

AnnieBW
12-08-2003, 06:38 PM
Well, at least he's not a total and complete idiot.

Stargate2077
12-08-2003, 08:19 PM
Here is the complete interview of Ronald D. Moore from IGN FilmForce: http://filmforce.ign.com/articles/444/444306p1.html

The interview gave me much more respect for this person although it does not give me reason enough to watch the new BSG. I was not even alive to see the first BSG.

Da-Met
12-08-2003, 11:28 PM
That's so depressing to read... a sad reminder of why Star Trek will never be as good as it was in the days of DS9 and select TNG days :(

Farsight
12-09-2003, 02:27 AM
It's a very interesting read, as he's much more candid about the personalities and conflicts involved than you would expect. He lays the lion's share of the blame on Rick Berman, but also mentions how Gene Roddenberry may have gotten too devoted to Star Trek representing the hope of a perfect humanity, forcing the writer's to make every principal character 'flawless'. That's a problem that has hamstrung most of Trek for many years. Rick Berman's obsessive need to preserve his own job by playing it safe has combined with that to leave Trek something worse than awful: mediocre. Most people don't hate Trek, but most people also don't love Trek - they just don't care anymore. It's even more obvious that Trek will remain boring and pointless until Berman is fired, and a fresh vision is developed.

The interview really made me feel bad for Braga. He's become a whipping boy along with Berman, and from the sounds of it, his worst crime is just giving up and taking the paycheck.

I have to think that SciFi is running Galactica, not Ron Moore. His comments just don't sound like he's capable of creating something as awful as BG looks. It looks like a show made by the marketing department. I'll be very interested in seeing what he says about Galactica in a year or two, when it's a cancelled memory. :) (edit - just read the part where he says he handed off BG to work on Carnivale, so that might explain it).

Anyway, it's an excellent, deep interview, touching on all things Trek, Roswell, Good vs Evil, Dragonriders of Pern, Carnivale, and BG. It makes you appreciate even more just how hard it is to make something truly great in Hollywood, and why something truly great is worth fighting for.

PrairieScaper
12-09-2003, 01:04 PM
Originally posted by Farsight
It makes you appreciate even more just how hard it is to make something truly great in Hollywood, and why something truly great is worth fighting for. Well said. Perhaps it is to FS' benefit just to be made in Australia, since it may be more difficult for meddlers to reach?

AnnieBW
12-09-2003, 05:08 PM
I find it hard to believe that the same person that wrote the season finale of "Carnivale" wrote BSG. I'm not a BSG fan. I was when I was a kid, but not now. But this was just DREADFUL!

The problem is that Trek is trying to reproduce the success they had with TNG. Well, there's a lot more out there now than when TNG was on. They were trying to do it with Voyager, and now with Enterprise.

I don't like what RDM has been doing by trashing Trek. Yeah, it's hurting. We all know that. JMS used the same tack when he promoted B5. But, unless you're show is truly new and different, like B5 was, it makes you sound petulant. In the hour that I watched BSG, I didn't see anything new or different.

- Annie

Da-Met
12-09-2003, 11:39 PM
As someone who was once a huge Trek fan, Moore said what needed to be said, and he's 100 percent correct. And frankly it needs to be said over and over again.

(the decline of post-DS9 Trek is the only other SciFi related thing other than Farscape's cancellation that truly gets me angry). And Ron Moore pre-BSG has always been a good writer. His DS9 scripts were really great, like Rocks and Shoals, In the Cards, Tacking Against the Wind, among others.