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DentArthurDent
01-08-2004, 06:30 PM
I just got this...and it sounds really cool, as far as it goes. The problem will be that if the next President decides this isn't the way to go, all this will be for not [regardless if Mr. Bush is in office 1 or 2 terms] {hopefully next week sees me with a pile of work and not unemployed...} AFD

By FRANK SIETZEN JR. AND KEITH L. COWING, United Press International

WASHINGTON, Jan. 8 (UPI) -- American astronauts will return to the moon
early in the next decade in preparation for sending crews to explore Mars
and nearby asteroids, President Bush is expected to propose next week as
part of a sweeping reform of the U.S. space program.

To pay for the new effort -- which would require a new generation of
spacecraft but use Europe's Ariane rockets and Russia's Soyuz capsules in
the interim -- NASA's space shuttle fleet would be retired as soon as
construction of the International Space Station is completed, senior
administration sources told United Press International.

The visionary new space plan would be the most ambitious project entrusted
to the National Aeronautics and Space Administration since the Apollo moon
landings of three decades ago. It commits the United States to an
aggressive and far-reaching mission that holds interplanetary space as the
human race's new frontier.

Sources said Bush's impending announcement climaxes an unprecedented
review of NASA and of America's civilian space goals -- manned and robotic.
The review has been proceeding for nearly a year, involving closed-door
meetings under the supervision of Vice President Dick Cheney, sources said.
The administration examined a wide range of ideas, including new, reusable
space shuttles and even exotic concepts such as space elevators.

To begin the initiative, the president will ask Congress for a down payment
of $800 million for fiscal year 2005, most of which will go to develop new
robotic space vehicles and begin work on advanced human exploration
systems. Bush also plans to ask Congress to boost NASA's budget by 5
percent annually over at least the next five years, with all of the increase
supporting space exploration. With the exception of the Departments of
Defense and Homeland Security, no other agency is expected to receive a
budget increase above inflation in FY 2005.

Along with retiring the shuttle fleet, the new plan calls for NASA to convert a
planned follow-on spacecraft -- called the orbital space plane -- into versions
of a new spaceship called the crew exploration vehicle. NASA would end
substantial involvement in the space station project about the same time
the moon landings would begin -- beginning in 2013, according to an
administration timetable shown to UPI.

The first test flights of unmanned prototypes of the CEV could occur as soon
as 2007. An orbital version would replace the shuttle to transport astronauts
to and from the space station. However, sources said, the current timetable
leaves a period several years when NASA would lack manned space capability
-- hence the need to use Soyuz vehicles for flights to the station. Ariane
rockets also might be used to launch lunar missions.

During the remainder of its participation in space station activities, NASA's
research would be redirected to sustaining humans in space. Other research
programs not involving humans would be terminated or curtailed.

The various models of the CEV would be 21st century versions of the 1960s
Apollo spacecraft. When they become operational, they would be able to
conduct various missions in Earth orbit, travel to and land on the moon,
send astronauts to rendezvous with nearby asteroids, and eventually serve
as part of a series of manned missions to Mars.

Under the current plan, sources said, the first lunar landings would carry only
enough resources to test advanced equipment that would be employed on
voyages beyond the moon. Because the early moon missions would use
existing rockets, they could deliver only small equipment packages. So the
initial, return-to-the-moon missions essentially would begin where the Apollo
landings left off -- a few days at a time, growing gradually longer. The
human landings could be both preceded and accompanied by robotic
vehicles.

The first manned Mars expeditions would attempt to orbit the red planet in
advance of landings -- much as Apollo 8 and 10 orbited the moon but did
not land. The orbital flights would conduct photo reconnaissance of the
Martian surface before sending landing craft, said sources familiar with the
plan's details.

Along with new spacecraft, NASA would develop other equipment needed to
allow humans to explore other worlds, including advanced spacesuits, roving
vehicles and life support equipment.

As part of its new space package, sources said, the administration will
convene an unusual presidential commission to review NASA's plans as they
unfold. The group would consider such factors as the design of the
spacecraft; the procedure for assembly, either in Earth orbit or lunar orbit;
the individual elements the new craft should contain, such as capsules,
supply modules, landing vehicles and propellant stages, and the duration
and number of missions and size of crews.

Sources said Bush will direct NASA to scale back or scrap all existing
programs that do not support the new effort. Further details about the plan
and the space agency's revised budget will be announced in NASA briefings
next week and when the president delivers his FY 2005 budget to Congress.

scrape_medic
01-08-2004, 06:34 PM
WOW, that would be great, if about 15 years late. I always thought we would be living on the moon by now.

Tiriel
01-08-2004, 06:55 PM
AFD :hug:

Keeping my fingers crossed that it means more work for y'all instead of less! I think space-travel will become a priority again, curtesy of the Chinese finally making it into space. Once they sent a man to the moon (to paint it bright red with a yellow star, no doubt :D) they'll be aiming for Mars....and instead of working on it together and getting it done in half the time at a quarter the cost, people will make another space-race out of it.

Anyways, good news for those who like to look up and share the wonders :)

Love and Peace and All Fingers Crossed!

Tiriel :bounce:

vikingscaper
01-08-2004, 07:08 PM
That would be so frelling cool if we sent astronauts back to the moon!

scrape_medic
01-08-2004, 07:15 PM
HA HA HA
When the original apollo missions went to the moon, 2001:a space odessy had just been released. They were trying to persuade Neil Armstrong to say, when he touched down on the surface of the moon, "Houston, we can see a large black monolith" as a bit of a joke.
Wouldn't it be fun if we could persuade the first astronaut to say. "I found a small tape recorder and when I pressed play I heard the words, 'My name is John Chrichton'"

harveywhispers
01-08-2004, 09:05 PM
Wow..............

The historian in me is absolutely giddy about the prospect of a human once again stepping foot on the face of the Moon! Seriously, consider the reprecussions. :D

grinner
01-08-2004, 09:07 PM
Originally posted by harveywhispers
Wow..............
so.... hw... what do you wear? oh wait... wrong thread.


This is cool news. I can't wait until I get my flying car and I can live on a moon like the Jetsons. And I want my robot Maid...

trubador
01-08-2004, 09:17 PM
Word leaked out about this possible announcement back in late October. The White House was debating when to present the news, but opted for either when the Mars landers touched down (successfully), or during the State of the Union address later in January.

This is the most detailed info so far. And, in my opinion......

:joy: :joy: :joy: :joy:

DentArthurDent
01-08-2004, 09:21 PM
Originally posted by trubador
Word leaked out about this possible announcement back in late October.

Yeah, that is one thing that makes me a bit uneasy at how this is coming out, Mr. Bush postponing again would be bad... and nothing will happen officially until he makes the anouncement...

AFD
'hope...is all I have.'

StarsGoBlue
01-08-2004, 10:57 PM
Hey baby, we've lived through bad announcements and postponements before... and look at us now!

Keeping my fingers crossed for you, and all that mushy yotz. :hug:

*****Stars :groove:
And Cookie sends a big crumb-y hug, too...he's been chompin' on the angel-food-chocolate-chip variety. :D

SabaceanBabe
01-09-2004, 06:40 AM
Originally posted by scrape_medic
HA HA HA
When the original apollo missions went to the moon, 2001:a space odessy had just been released. They were trying to persuade Neil Armstrong to say, when he touched down on the surface of the moon, "Houston, we can see a large black monolith" as a bit of a joke.
Wouldn't it be fun if we could persuade the first astronaut to say. "I found a small tape recorder and when I pressed play I heard the words, 'My name is John Chrichton'"

Wouldn't that be too frelling awesome? Who do we have to write to? :ewink:

And... {{{{{AFD}}}}} It'll be okay. If we can get our show back, we can get our eemas to the moon and Mars. :D

NebariNookiee
01-09-2004, 06:52 AM
Can we please try and fix everything we made wrong with our own planet first before we decide to screw up any others?

grinner
01-09-2004, 06:55 AM
NN, have you ever thought that going to another planet just MIGHT be what the Human Race needs? A common goal?

NebariNookiee
01-09-2004, 07:11 AM
We can't even take care of our own planet -- what makes you think we're qualified to inhabit another one? The only thing we'll succeed in doing is bring the problems we have now over there. We have a long way to go before we should even consider making the attempt.

We're so concerned about if we 'could' do it we never stopped to thing if we 'should.'

grinner
01-09-2004, 07:21 AM
pessimist

NebariNookiee
01-09-2004, 07:28 AM
I prefer "realist"

Look – I’m all for seeking out life and new civilizations – but let’s try dealing with fixing what we broke here before we break anything else in the solar system. We'll just keep making the same ol' mistakes otherwise.

NYPinTA
01-09-2004, 11:22 AM
I agree that we should fix things here, but I am not too concerned with screwing up Mars or the Moon since there is nothing there to begin with except rocks. No animals to make extinct, no trees to cut for roads. It would be different if it were an Earth like planet...

NebariNookiee
01-09-2004, 11:45 AM
Problem with a Mars mission is the prospect of “terraforming” which would simply compound the situation. We don’t know enough about our own planet to presume we know how to change others. And it's not a matter of 'if' - it's a matter of 'when.'

And we still don’t know enough about Mars or any of the other planets to presume anything. As far as you know, there really is Martian life – maybe not of an intelligent nature, but even microorganisms are life.

NYPinTA
01-09-2004, 12:04 PM
Originally posted by NebariNookiee
Problem with a Mars mission is the prospect of “terraforming” which would simply compound the situation. We don’t know enough about our own planet to presume we know how to change others. And it's not a matter of 'if' - it's a matter of 'when.'
True, but it is a very long way off, and who know what we will know by then. Besides we already know how to change a planet. We do it to this one everyday. Only this time, it would be to make one 'better' (well, for us.)

Originally posted by NebariNookiee
And we still don’t know enough about Mars or any of the other planets to presume anything. As far as you know, there really is Martian life – maybe not of an intelligent nature, but even microorganisms are life.
Also true, but we won't know until we get there will we?

zelbinion
01-09-2004, 01:31 PM
I seem to recall an announcement a few months ago that we had discovered the presence of ice on mars. If thats true then the presence of bacteria is possible. There is no telling what an alien microbe could do to the human body.
I think that the idea of an alien species attempting to colonize a planet is wonderful yet calls for extreme caution. Only b/c of what could be introduces here could be catastophic.