Jacko is NOT their father

[grinner]

Jacko is NOT their father

By Carole Aye Maung, US Correspondent

MEGASTAR Michael Jackson's claim he is the natural father of the two children born to ex-wife Debbie Rowe is a LIE.

Debbie was artificially inseminated with anonymously donated sperm to give birth to son Prince Michael Jnr and daughter Paris.

The bombshell fact—revealed by Debbie in a legal dossier—could be her strongest weapon in her bid to wrest control of the children from 45-year-old Jacko.

She wants to stop him using "rich and influential friends" to send Prince Michael and Paris out of the U.S. before he faces charges of sexually abusing a 12-year-old boy.

The News of the World has learned the secrets of the documents drawn up by Debbie, seen with Jackson top right, as she prepares to seek "temporary exclusive custody" of the children. The papers reveal:

Jackson hid the truth about the PATERNITY of the children, aged six and five, when he was grilled about their light-complexioned features by Martin Bashir for his ITV documentary. The star insisted he WAS their true biological father.

Jacko and Debbie DID enter into a SURROGACY agreement on January 23 1996. The deal made their marriage ceremony nine months later a total sham—aimed only at securing his parental rights.

Michael was so obsessed with controlling the creation of each child he imposed a six-month SEX BAN on Debbie before insemination.

In return for bearing Michael two children, Debbie received a staggering £6million PAY-OFF. She also got a £1.6million Beverly Hills home, a car, clothes, furs and jewels. Michael continues to pay her monthly expenses. Last month she claimed £35,000.

In the surrogacy agreement Debbie, 41, agreed to "knowingly and voluntarily waive my right to contest Michael's paternity of either child" and "consent to Michael being declared the father".

But in the legal documents she also described the astonishing secrets of how she became pregnant.

Debbie states: "I have no information whatsoever about the identity of the semen donor for either child, as such semen was obtained anonymously from a semen bank under an agreement of confidentiality.

"I consented to the artificial insemination with the specific intent of bearing a child to which Michael would be the father and treated in all respects as the father..."

Blonde and blue-eyed Debbie also details how Jacko insisted that for six months she "refrained from sexual relations and avoided any possibility of semen being introduced into my body other than by way of surgical artificial insemination."

On May 28 and 29, 1996, following the stipulated sex ban, Debbie was artifically inseminated by Beverly Hills fertility specialist, Dr Hal C. Danzer.

He confirms: "I was requested by Petitioner, Deborah Rowe Jackson and Respondent, Michael J. Jackson to perform an artificial insemination of semen, donated to and for the use of Respondent, into the uterus of Petitioner for the principal purpose of assisting Respondent in having a child of his own."

The pair married in Australia on November 15 1996, three months before Prince Michael Jr was born.

After another four months Debbie was inseminated again, and Paris was born in April 1998.

By October the following year the couple were divorced. Jacko went on to have son Prince Michael II — nicknamed Blanket — with a second surrogate mum.

His divorce agreement with Debbie shows she agreed to give him "sole legal and physical custody".

She was allowed to visit the children only once every 45 days, between 10am and 7pm, with their nanny Gracie Rwarmba present.

Jacko gave Debbie a first-class plane ticket for each visit. But the following year she agreed to give up her visiting rights altogether.

In her declaration to regain custody, she explains: "In or about November 2000, I believed that Michael was the most wonderful father in the worldbased upon observations with him and our children."

But then her fears grew that he would send Prince Michael and Paris out of the US.

She states: "Michael has close, influential and rich friends all over the world...

"He has the ability to have the children taken out of the United States and never returned. He has the financial ability to rent a private jet at a moment's notice."

She also claims that Jackson is "easily influenced" and she fears he is being led by extremist Muslims in the Nation of Islam movement.

Worries

She states: "Michael's involvement with a cult, Nation Of Islam, is horrifying to me. I am Jewish and I converted to Judaism in 1982 before marrying my first husband. Therefore, our children are Jewish."

Debbie says she knows the Nation of Islam "do not like Jews" which "causes me endless worries".

She also claims she told Jacko last month she would never agree to his "secret plans" for his mother Katherine to adopt her children.

Jackson continues to show "poor judgment," she says, in stating it is acceptable for him to sleep in the same bed with children.

And she suggests that she move into the Neverland ranch with the children now Michael has vowed never to return there.

Jacko has vowed to fight to keep the children. He will stand trial on the abuse charges later this year. http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/images/jacko01.jpg
DEBBIE'S STATEMENT: Semen was obtained anonymously from a semen bank under an agreement of confidentiality. I consented to the artificial insemination with the specific intent of bearing a child to which Michael would be the father and treated in all respects as the father, without the necessity of an adoption by Michael in effectuating parental rights.
http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/images/jacko_02.jpg
WACKO WORLD: Jackson with Prince Michael Jnr and Paris. Like him, they are usually masked or hidden by veils when seen in public

[Lord Loser]

Ok, let me see... Alex, I'll take "Patently obvious" for $400 please...

[Darth Buddha]

YIKES!!!

[Frellster]

You mean his blonde children are not genetically his!!?? The only question I have is,"Why didn't he just adopt?"

[grinner]

the Blonde haired Blue Eyed children... who look incredibly... German or Dutch... nah... it was always obvious that they weren't his children.

[DRD2001]

Those poor kids. Hopefully the anonymous donor has mental stability in his family, because those children need all they can get. I trust Ms. Rowe as much as I trust Jackson.

[bouyantman]

http://www.click-smilies.de/sammlung0903/wuerg/vomit-smiley-026.gif

[chri-baby]

Yes thats it!!!!! blame the muslims for everything!!!! even for Jacko being totaly wackoooo!!!!!!!! The fact that she gave birth to two children and then sold them like a pair of made to measure shoes shouldn't bother any one as to her parental fittness!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What a world we live in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!:grr: :grr:

[grinner]

who is blaming the Muslims? When was that said? Chill out. Besides Jacko isn't a Muslim... he is a Jehovah's Witness. His brother is a Member of The Nation Of Islam... or Black Muslims.

[DRD2001]

Originally posted by grinner
who is blaming the Muslims? When was that said? Chill out. Besides Jacko isn't a Muslim... he is a Jehovah's Witness. His brother is a Member of The Nation Of Islam... or Black Muslims. Debbie Rowe said it in the article.
She also claims that Jackson is "easily influenced" and she fears he is being led by extremist Muslims in the Nation of Islam movement.

She states: "Michael's involvement with a cult, Nation Of Islam, is horrifying to me. I am Jewish and I converted to Judaism in 1982 before marrying my first husband. Therefore, our children are Jewish."

Debbie says she knows the Nation of Islam "do not like Jews" which "causes me endless worries".

Jackson was a Jehova's Witness, but has since left. The elders, I believe, had not been happy with aspects of his lifestyle. I know they were not happy with Thriller, and Jackson almost trashed the video because of it. Anyway, Jackson doesn't like anyone to tell him what he should do. So he has been gone from the JH a few years now.

[Darth Buddha]

This has me wound up enough to mention one of my hypothesis about Jacko that goes back a decade...

IS JACKO A CASTRATO?

That's someone castrated during puberty or just before to preserve thier voice at a specific range -- the Vatican used to do this until about turn of 20th century. Jacko's voice CLEARLY has not changed. Moreover, it would explain his rather unmanly physique in comparison to his brothers.

This could be either literal or chemical. Moreover, it might be the "unique" characteristic mentioned when they photographed Mr. Jackson's privates during the LAST abortive trial over child molestation.

[DRD2001]

Bloom County did some jokes on that subject. I'd say that given his father's attitude and his own, anything is possible. Personally, I believe that we will see the "real" MJ after his mother passes away. He loves her very much and I don't think he would do anything to deliberately hurt or embarrass her.

[chri-baby]

Originally posted by grinner
who is blaming the Muslims? When was that said? Chill out. Besides Jacko isn't a Muslim... he is a Jehovah's Witness. His brother is a Member of The Nation Of Islam... or Black Muslims.

perhaps you should read the article again G or maybe just the quote that DRD2001 kindly posted. :rolleyes:

[grinner]

You might think that people are persecuting Muslims... fine. Think of yourself as a downtrodden people. Or do something about it. I don't care if you are Hindu, Muslim, Christian, Atheist, Daoist, or a follower of the Church of the Ever-Loving Elvis. I really don't care. As long as your religion APPEARS to be condoning Forced Conversions, Suicide/Homicide bombing and other aspects of Terroristic activity... you will be looked at a little harder. Don't like it.... stop the fringes from doing those things.

[grinner]

And I meant on the board. Where on this board... other than an article posted... was there blame laid upon Muslims.

And you may not think so... but the Nation of Islam is not your typical Muslim sect.

[Darth Buddha]

Well, I had wanted to discuss this offline, but it seems that this should be voiced before the Islamic question goes any further...

Is Nation of Islam truly representative of mainstream Islam?

I've always interpreted Nation of Islam as being a racial seperatist group with past endorsements of violence... just like some of the White Supremacist churches out there.

These folks are extremist and to judge the mainstream faith by them would be erroneous. This coming from a non-theist who is scared by most religions![/b][/color]

[chri-baby]

I was commenting on the article not one the comments on the board! as for not the typical muslim sect...well neither is alqaida but that did'nt stop people from generalising!!

[grinner]

that is because The Muslim Religion APPEARED to be condoning said actions. Now that other Muslim Nations are attacking AlQuaida... The Real Muslims are showing that they are NOT all fringe wackos.

[chri-baby]

and do you think that it was ever a reasonable assumption that one billion people could be considered "fringe wackos" as you say? one that required action to disprove? if thats the case why was not the same assumption was not made regarding the christian world based on the actions of the IRA or the Basques separatists?

I dont want to get into an argument with you over this Grinner... this is not the place for it at any rate. lets just agree that it was a misunderstanding and let it go at that. with a friendly handshake.:)

[Darth Buddha]

... on second read, even the article called them an EXTREMIST sect. But I note that they didn't identify the Jehovah's Witnesses as an extreme sect... or even a cult.

Is my question regarding the status of Jacko's manhood over the line or simply not interesting?

[Lord Loser]

... hmmmm... maybe my thread is needed after all Buddha...

[Darth Buddha]

Yep

[chri-baby]

Originally posted by Darth Buddha
[b]This has me wound up enough to mention one of my hypothesis about Jacko that goes back a decade...

IS JACKO A CASTRATO?

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its plausible I suppose, but there is no way to tell for sure.
but if that were the case shouldn't his sexual desires be nearly non existent? so why would he be molesting children?

[generic_screenname]

Well, at the end of the day, regardless of his religon, Michael Jackson is a creepy guy that turned his back on his race (except when it's convienent for him to call himself a "black artist") has obviously never been within 20 feet of a naked woman, prefers the embalmed mummy look as opposed to having an actual nose, and likes to sleep in the same bed as little white boys.

I don't know why he had a daughter. Maybe to throw people off?

[Darth Buddha]

From what I have read on castratos and eunics (sp?), if they are castrated early enough no desires develop, but those nipped later in life are sometimes still capable of "being excited".

[grinner]

Originally posted by chri-baby
and do you think that it was ever a reasonable assumption that one billion people could be considered "fringe wackos" as you say? one that required action to disprove? if thats the case why was not the same assumption was not made regarding the christian world based on the actions of the IRA or the Basques separatists?

I dont want to get into an argument with you over this Grinner... this is not the place for it at any rate. lets just agree that it was a misunderstanding and let it go at that. with a friendly handshake.:) yes I do think that the Whole of Muslims SHOULD have disavowed said action from the Fringe groups. Extremists in ANY aspect of life should be disavowed and done away with. when things go to extremes... is when things like the Holocost and other aspects of Despotisms come into being. A willing or unwilling group that DON'T stand against extremists become defacto participants of the action of the extremists... because the actions are usually done in the name of the larger group.

[chri-baby]

::meditate: UMMMMMM.......UMMMMMMM

[Darth Buddha]

grinner is right. But it almost never happens.

I'd love to see most Jews disavow the current status of Palestinians as too quickly approaching that of the ghettos.

I'd like to see mainstream Christians disavow white supremacists, and other groups willing to commit violence to try to enforce their views on the rest of us.

I'd like to see this latest Ayatolla (sp?) in Iraq disavow a state without religious tolerance and some autonomy for religious minorities (wouldnt' THAT screw with the Bushies games where they are doing everyting they can to disempower the Shiites).

But I am not holding my breath on any of them.

[DRD2001]

There is another possiblity in regards to MJ's sexuality. He could be like so many other people who have been "misidentified" at birth. It was a standard practice (and I'm sorry to say for some doctors it still is) that a child with genital defects would be labeled "boy" or "girl" based on the doctors opinion of what the baby looked most like. Sometimes, they got it wrong. A few years ago, a mother had a boy with an either non-existant or virtually non-existant penis. (I missed the first part of the documentary.) The doctor insisted that the child was a girl and that the testes should be removed. The mother refused. The doctor coerced and threatened. She stood firm and said let the child discover who he is. Later, during a routine biopsy, the doctor took it upon himself to castrate this child, and force the mother to accept her "daughter". My point is that MJ could be another such person. He could have been labeled "boy" due to certain features, when he really was a girl. Hence his desire to look more "delicate", the voice, the posturing and the "mothering" all these children. Mind you, I still think he is a nut.

[Judith]

Originally posted by grinner
yes I do think that the Whole of Muslims SHOULD have disavowed said action from the Fringe groups. Extremists in ANY aspect of life should be disavowed and done away with. when things go to extremes... is when things like the Holocost and other aspects of Despotisms come into being. A willing or unwilling group that DON'T stand against extremists become defacto participants of the action of the extremists... because the actions are usually done in the name of the larger group.

I'm really uncomfortable with the idea that regular Muslims are expected to prove themselves to anyone.

[Nicola]

Originally posted by chri-baby
::meditate: UMMMMMM.......UMMMMMMM

chri-baby,

please remember that not all of us share the same sweeping opinons.

I do not wish to get involved in this conversation on this board, but I am fully aware of many Muslims who did condemn various violent actions, both publically and privately. And I do not make the assumption that a 'fringe group' defines an entire movement.

[grinner]

Originally posted by Darth Buddha
grinner is right. But it almost never happens.

my being correct or what I said?

[grinner]

Originally posted by Judith_Shakespeare
I'm really uncomfortable with the idea that regular Muslims are expected to prove themselves to anyone. why not? White Males have to do it... Black Males have to do it everyday? Why shouldn't Muslims?

I am sorry you feel that way, but APPEARANCE is everything. If it APPEARS like there is appeasement and other coddling of a fringe group by the Dominant Group... the entire Dominant Group looks as bad as the Fringe Group.

[Judith]

Originally posted by grinner
why not? White Males have to do it... Black Males have to do it everyday? Why shouldn't Muslims?

That makes me really uncomfortable also. White men shouldn't have to prove that they are/aren't anything. Black men shouldn't either. Neither should Muslims.

[grinner]

Originally posted by Nicola
chri-baby,

please remember that not all of us share the same sweeping opinons.

I do not wish to get involved in this conversation on this board, but I am fully aware of many Muslims who did condemn various violent actions, both publically and privately. And I do not make the assumption that a 'fringe group' defines an entire movement. that is offensive. By your saying that, you are condeming me as a fringe group. Bravo. That is EXACTLY what I was attempting to say. By your voicing an OPINION against what I wrote, you are going AGAINST an opinion that you don't share.

[Judith]

Originally posted by grinner

I am sorry you feel that way, but APPEARANCE is everything. If it APPEARS like there is appeasement and other coddling of a fringe group by the Dominant Group... the entire Dominant Group looks as bad as the Fringe Group.

I don't view the average Muslims as coddling or even accepting of any fringe group of zealots.

[grinner]

Originally posted by Judith_Shakespeare
That makes me really uncomfortable also. White men shouldn't have to prove that they are/aren't anything. Black men shouldn't either. Neither should Muslims. it happens. I am a tall White Male. Big. I notice the reactions of people smaller than me everyday. I have had people say that I threatened them by some action when I never intended things like that. There is a perception that Big people are more likely to do violence. I have had reason given to me by people when asked why they flinched from me. Is it a wrong perception? Who know. APPEARANCE is everything.

[grinner]

Originally posted by Judith_Shakespeare
I don't view the average Muslims as coddling or even accepting of any fringe group of zealots. well. Congratulation for the open mind. However, there are MANY people that do Feel that the Whole of Islam IS coddling the Extremists... helping them

[Nicola]

Originally posted by chri-baby
its plausible I suppose, but there is no way to tell for sure.
but if that were the case shouldn't his sexual desires be nearly non existent? so why would he be molesting children?

If he was castrated to preserve his voice, it should have been done early. (Right? Not being an expert in this field, I am not sure of the details.)

However, if this is the case, then whoever instigated the deed was guilty of child abuse. Which makes sense... children who have been abused have a tendency to become abusers. And they tend to choose children who are approximately the same age as they were when their abuse began.

So if MJ was castrated to preserve his voice, that might have occured at what? 12ish? What are the ages of the children he has been accused of molesting?

This is a very depressing thread.

[Nicola]

Originally posted by grinner
well. Congratulation for the open mind. However, there are MANY people that do Feel that the Whole of Islam IS coddling the Extremists... helping them

Then you are talking about ill informed people.

Anyone who is remotely interested (and reasonably motivated to search out 'reliable' information) knows that that is not true.

I do so dislike sweeping generalisations and ill-informed opinions.

[grinner]

Originally posted by Nicola
Then you are talking about ill informed people.

Anyone who is remotely interested (and reasonably motivated to search out 'reliable' information) knows that that is not true.

I do so dislike sweeping generalisations and ill-informed opinions. not everyone is CONNECTED to the Net. There are large groups of people that are still afraid of African-Americans... Hell, there are still people who believe the Earth is Flat.

[DRD2001]

Originally posted by Nicola
This is a very depressing thread. Sorry. :) And thanks for the facts. If such a deed was done, I can only imagine that the rest of the family does not know. Considering the turmultuous relationship MJ has with his father, I could see him at a young age being eager to please and willing to do anything asked of him.

You're right. It is a horrible mess and it is very depressing, whatever the outcome.

[Judith]

Originally posted by grinner
it happens. I am a tall White Male. Big. I notice the reactions of people smaller than me everyday. I have had people say that I threatened them by some action when I never intended things like that. There is a perception that Big people are more likely to do violence. I have had reason given to me by people when asked why they flinched from me. Is it a wrong perception? Who know. APPEARANCE is everything.


I know it happens. I also know it's not right.

[chri-baby]

Originally posted by Nicola


This is a very depressing thread.



yes indeed! in more ways than one.

[grinner]

Originally posted by Judith_Shakespeare
I know it happens. I also know it's not right. what to do about it? That is LIFE. Things happen. Should I start a campaign against short people for making me feel unwelcome? Or just Live with it.

I chose to Live with it.

[Judith]

Originally posted by grinner
what to do about it? That is LIFE. Things happen. Should I start a campaign against short people for making me feel unwelcome? Or just Live with it.



No. There's not a lot you can do. But I find it disheartening that given your experiences, you expect others to prove themselves simply because there is a (false) set of preconceived notions involving their race, stature, or religion.

[Darth Buddha]

grinner, I think you were right that mainstream Muslim leaders should have disavowed 9/11 en masse. I believe some actually DID, for which I give them all sorts of kudos.

Similarly the Pope, the Achbishop of the Church of England, and otheres should have disavowed the goings on in Northern Ireland repeatedly and forcefully -- they may have, but I am unaware of this (and I do try to keep up on international news).

I think it is the responsibility of the leaders of mainstream faiths to disavow those on the fringe who violate the tenets of the religion.

I also feel that the U.S. Government should have similarly dismissed that Air Force General who referred to Iraq in terms of one religion vs. another... we should be consistent.

[DRD2001]

Short People by Randy Newman

Short People got no reason
Short People got no reason
Short People got no reason
To live

They got little hands
Little eyes
They walk around
Tellin' great big lies
They got little noses
And tiny little teeth
They wear platform shoes
On their nasty little feet

Well, I don't want no Short People
Don't want no Short People
Don't want no Short People
`Round here

Short People are just the same
As you and I
(A Fool Such As I)
All men are brothers
Until the day they die
(It's A Wonderful World)

Short People got nobody
Short People got nobody
Short People got nobody
To love

They got little baby legs
That stand so low
You got to pick 'em up
Just to say hello
They got little cars
That go beep, beep, beep
They got little voices
Goin' peep, peep, peep
They got grubby little fingers
And dirty little minds
They're gonna get you every time
Well, I don't want no Short People
Don't want no Short People
Don't want no Short People
'Round here

[grinner]

Originally posted by Judith_Shakespeare
No. There's not a lot you can do. But I find it disheartening that given your experiences, you expect others to prove themselves simply because there is a (false) set of preconceived notions involving their race, stature, or religion. why should I feel otherwise. I have to prove myself daily. It is a cross I have to bear. Just another aspect of life.

[Nicola]

Originally posted by grinner
not everyone is CONNECTED to the Net. There are large groups of people that are still afraid of African-Americans... Hell, there are still people who believe the Earth is Flat.

Which makes them ill-informed. And you don't need the net to change that... There is that new-fangled invention known as TV. How about newspapers? Or hey! If you can't afford a subscription, go to a library and read the newspapers there.

The net is not the only source of information on this planet.

that is offensive. By your saying that, you are condeming me as a fringe group. Bravo. That is EXACTLY what I was attempting to say. By your voicing an OPINION against what I wrote, you are going AGAINST an opinion that you don't share.

I was responding to chri-baby. I fail to see how what I wrote was offensive to you.

[grinner]

Originally posted by Nicola



I was responding to chri-baby. I fail to see how what I wrote was offensive to you. I was being FACETIOUS. Taking what you wrote and USING it as an example.

[Nicola]

Originally posted by grinner
I was being FACETIOUS. Taking what you wrote and USING it as an example.

Good. 'Cause I was being very careful NOT to offend you, while at the same time clearly establishing that my position was different from yours.

[grinner]

I doubt that you could really offend me. I may not like what you say, but I won't get into an uproar about it.

[Judith]

Originally posted by grinner
why should I feel otherwise. I have to prove myself daily. It is a cross I have to bear. Just another aspect of life.

When someone does something to me that is wrong, I don't go out and do it to someone else.

[grinner]

It is perception. I realize that NOT all Muslims are harboring Terrorists. However, since there is the APPEARANCE that some are... and the Terrorists are acting, according to the terrorists, FOR THE GOOD OF ALL MUSLIMS... they should be denigrated and put down. As I have said before... APPEARANCE is the KEY.

[Frellster]

Its perfectly reasonable for Debbie to be worried about Jackson's ties to the Black Muslim movement. Farrakon and the Black Muslims are racist against jews, and Micheals kids are white jews. For the record, I don't know anyone who would confuse the Nation of Islam with mainstream Muslims.

Also, I don't think Micheal is Castrati. He had bad acne as a teen. Acne is usually aggrivated by hormones. Its possible he castrated himself to get rid of the acne (it would explain the complete lack of facial hair until age 40 - his current facial hair doesn't look right to me anyway)

[BlackThorn]

Originally posted by Darth Buddha
Similarly the Pope, the Achbishop of the Church of England, and otheres should have disavowed the goings on in Northern Ireland repeatedly and forcefully -- they may have, but I am unaware of this (and I do try to keep up on international news).

I usually keep up on that specific topic, and last I checked, the only thing that has been done are a few "messages of peace." But not anything that could clearly be seen as a definitive separation from the events.

[StarsGoBlue]

For what it's worth, I hardly think The News of the World has a tradition of respectable journalism behind it... more like sensationalism. Which is not to say that there isn't truth there, but there's a lot of inflammatory language, as well.

:dunno:

[grinner]

and I was wondering when someone would PICK UP on that part of the article.