Bad Timing: Just watched for the first time

[Farscape Forever]

I finally made it through the series (first timer here) all the way till the TEMPORARY end.

I watched La Bamba yesterday.. and I couldn't wait.. so I watched Bad Timing :( :( tonight to finish off what I started almost a year ago.

I'm sorta speechless at this point, and thats not normal for me with Farscape. It's unbelievably sad the way it ends.. in fact well I uh had to go back and watch the ending 5 mins. again because the first time through.. well you know :bawl:

I just can't believe it ended like that.. I've never seen D'Argo that emotional before (other than say anger).. it's kinda shocking. You can't help but love the entire boat scene up until the end.. it makes you laugh (Rygel) and D'Argo's comment about him looking angry when he gets up and yells out in joy over the bay. It makes you smile when John proposes and she says yes and it makes you cry how it all ends..

Thats not even mentioning, John is cut off from Earth and his family forever... Chiana is blind..

Personally I thought the best scenes were.. obviously the boat scene between John and Aeryn, John's conversation with his dad from the moon and John beating on Harvey in bunny suits.

The only thing I thought wished would have happened was that they actually had the boat on Earth and maybe they actually get married right then and there :)

I know there's 4 hours more coming, but still its extremely sad that, thats the way it ended.. i'm going to go into major withdrawals now..

4 hours just doesn't seem like enough time to cover it all.. the story revolving around whats happened to John and Aeryn could easily take 4 hours without resolving things such as Rygel getting home or what becomes of Scorpius, or what happens between peacekeepers and Scarrans.. to name a few. That is to say if they decide to wrap the series up entirely with the mini. You don't know what your missing until you've seen bad timing.. Season 5 should... no MUST happen still :)

Ok maybe I wasn't as speechless as I thought I was..

All in all I could say more but I can sum it all up simply put: Farscape is the BEST. It's television PERFECTION :)

Can I get a Frell Yeah!? :)

[hippydave]

It does kinda knock you for six the first time - right?

I could tell that due to the gravity of the last few eps that they were building up to something big, but the last minute completely blew me away, couldn`t stop thinking about it!!! Wasn`t helped by the "and FINALLY on farscape" opening, plus a quick shot from each proceding episode, looks good on DVD when you hit pause, and pick out each shot one by one, it`s like 4 years rolled into a minute!!!

Anthony Simcoe`s scream at the end was amazing - i agree that was a side of d`argo noone had seen before!!!

I agree that 4 hours does not seem nearly enough time to tie up each story thread and ensure that each character gets to where they are going to, my only hope is that enough interest can be generated over the coming months then the chances of ANYTHING happening after that should increase - that`s if the TV companies are smart any way....

Still it is an incedible moment in SF that deserves massive recognition, not to mention making sooo many shows look frelling c**p in comparison!!!!!

[ScorpSik]

Sorry, but IMHO, BT is utter crap.

One of the poorest eps I've seen - cliched, trite, over sentimental and hugely unrealistic (how did they shift a huge being like pilot into a transport pod?).

Aside from Jeramiah..., this is my most loathed ep.

[hippydave]

Fine - just don`t watch it then

[jayelsee]

Well, erm, no, I wouldn't put BT anywhere near the (rather boring) level of "Jeremiah Crichton". But that's just me. No, wait....it's not just me.:)

I still remember how I felt the first time I saw BT. Ooopmh. I was down, man. That's what brought me to this board, searching for some hope and sympathy. Fan fic and news of the mini-series....and discussions here.....have definitely raised my spirits!

[Farscape Forever]

Originally posted by jayelsee
Well, erm, no, I wouldn't put BT anywhere near the (rather boring) level of "Jeremiah Crichton". But that's just me. No, wait....it's not just me.:)

I still remember how I felt the first time I saw BT. Ooopmh. I was down, man. That's what brought me to this board, searching for some hope and sympathy. Fan fic and news of the mini-series....and discussions here.....have definitely raised my spirits!

Definetly one of the many reasons that makes this board soo great :)

No matter what anyone else says I still think BT is great :)

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In response to Scorpsilk:

I wouldn't say it was overly sentimental at all.. maybe if the boat scene was 45 mins. long.. maybe then.. just maybe :D

I also didn't think it was cliched.. one thing about Farscape is that it has originality.. but pretty much everything comes from somewhere in someway a little bit... if you try hard enough to make a connection even if it isn't direct.

*note out of all the stuff that has happened in Farscape moving pilot is unrealistic?? .. I personally don't mind when they omit details like how they moved him.. it would have just bogged things down and wasn't vital to the story. My theory is D'Argo gave him a piggy back ride :D *

but your entitled to your opinion.. I don't agree with it and may think your nuts :D... but not everyone likes the same thing

[JrMissToughChick]

Originally posted by Farscape Forever
Definetly one of the many reasons that makes this board soo great :)

No matter what anyone else says I still think BT is great :)
Knowing it was the last ep I thought it tied everything up well when I was watching it up untill the last 1 or 2 minutes I thought *this IS the best serise finaly ever* then you know what some Quegin(sp) came down and frelling ruind it ;) no but seriosly thinking back on it I would have not respected them as much if it ended happy and might I add:

YAY FOR THE MINI :chex:

the only thing I didn't like about this ep was the:

"AND FINALY ON FARSCAPE"

Youch That stung just a litle bit.

Saddest word in english or in any lang. "FINALY"

[Under A Dying Sun]

Bad Timing is simply a great episode and furthermore a great piece of television.

Fantastic way to end a SEASON.

Frankly, I don't understand why it's cliched or trite. I found it moving and poignant. To criticize it because you think it's unrealistic is too simple an argument. There have been many things over the course of four seasons that can be considered unrealistic.

I choose to get absorbed and escape, why ruin it?

Unless, of course, if you are anti john.

[JrMissToughChick]

Unless, of course, if you are anti john Um... ScorpSik is anti-John as a matter of fact.

~JrMTC~

[Under A Dying Sun]

yeah, i know. :ewink:

[Judith]

Originally posted by hippydave
Fine - just don`t watch it then

It kinda seems like that in a thread about Bad Timing, Scorp Silk's opinions are as valid as anyone else's.

(And I am a Bad Timing fan by the way. I just don't see why her opinion is automatically shunned because it goes against the statue quo - so far - of this thread).

[JrMissToughChick]

I think it is more fun to have a discusion where not everyone is in agreance, but that's just me :hug:

~JrMTC~

[Under A Dying Sun]

sure, that's what it's all about.


just make sure to back it up with good reasons.

[ScorpSik]

(((Judith)))

I'm surprised I'm in such a vast minority with this. Theoretically, if this *wasn't* the season ender - ignoring the last 6 minutes - going on the rest of the ep, if it'd been mid-season, would you guys still love it?

I am not a J/A shipper, and the whole ep was waaay to soppy for me. I think a full 6 minutes of (in my eyes) a rather lame 'aliens don't know what proposing is' was just torturous for me.

The first time I saw it, I was incensed at S/SS being kicked off before the credits, but for me, it was very disappointing end for the (at the time) show.

I felt like non-shippers had been sold out, it was so sentimental.:confused:
I remember sitting there, as the Beeb credits rolled, thinking 'was that it?'

ETA - Um I have 10 reasons...I'll post, even though my safety may be in jeopardy...:D

1. S/SS off ship *before* the creds (not important, but heck, it's my list! :)

2. Wet, wet, wet, wet...wetter even than a Streisand film

3. Arrrggghhh shippy

4. 'Shiny' Aeryn

5. Stark's haircut, and underusage

6. Apparantly, there is now gravity on the moon....

7. WP's comments have TOTALLY ruined the S/SS scenes

8. Hmmm...OK....D'Argo's the capt'n right? Someone tell that to Johnny...

9. How the frell did they move Pilot?

10. Sorry, but a 6 minute 'death + marriage' scene is too much for me

:D

[Under A Dying Sun]

First of all, the majority of your reasons, rather opinions are entirely superficial. I know nothing of streisand, so I don't know what you are getting at there. Dargo has captain has always been a fairly weak issue.

I am not sure what you mean by gravity on the moon. Gravity on the moon has always existed.

http://van.hep.uiuc.edu/van/qa/section/Stuff_about_Space/The_Earth_and_the_Moon/20020212173702.htm

I love scorp and sik just as much as the next scaper, but the core of FS, at least to the creators and to me has been the love story, So why not address that for a season finale? I'm fine with that. You should be happy actually with ending as this serves to only highlight other characters for the future! There was more than enough of other things going on to keep anyone interested. I think s1-s4 has done enough with j/a and I look for something more epic in the future of the franchise. I for one, hope they move away from that - for now. FS handles parody of our culture very well and the crew's comments were pretty funny.

I know scorp and sik will be back. I can wait.

Personally I look beyond the impossibilities and suspend my beliefs enough to enjoy the central themes and plot, especially when it comes to scifi. I just take the journey and step outside the box. The show has always chose not to cater to technobabble or science - theories of wormholes and alternate timelines excluded. [einstein's dreams - great book btw]. I have seen the show as some kind of twisted, surreal dream and have rarely seen opportunities to dissect it from a scientific standpoint.

To each his own. ;)

SPOILER

Actually, I loved the last scene as it reminded what a sinister and sardonic edge this show has. I hope it never loses it.

[jayelsee]

Just a slightly off-topic comment..... I love it when people disagree on FMD discussions. THAT, to me, is what makes the discussions interesting. Differences of opinion don't distress me, they invigorate. And if the opinions are well expressed, they make me think (and sometimes re-think my position). I like it that people CAN disagree here, and that the disagreements rarely turn into personal attacks (and when they do, are generally short-lived).

I would have to call myself a J/A 'shipper, but I think the angst has gone far enough. My opinion is that taking the series in the "epic" direction would be interesting, with the J/A relationship very much a part of the picture, but as more of a foundation, a "given" rather than the focus of the storyline. Have any of you watched "Firefly?" I really enjoy how Zoey & Wash's marriage is depicted. It's there in every episode. They love each other. They know it, everyone knows it. It sometime drives an action or reaction within an episode (i.e. "War Stories"). It's a "normal", healthy relationship. Sometimes they bicker, sometimes they run fast for their shared bunk! But it's not the major theme of the story. I like that. I think that could work for J/A in the future.

Sorry, done w/OT......handing thread back to BT.

[CrystalMoon]

I suspect, Scorsik, that you don't like BT mostly because it looks like Scorpy might have killed Sikozu and Wayne has said he likes that idea. I also suspect you don't like the way John kicked Scorpy and Sikozu off Moya.

As far as the ep being sentimental. Gotta disagree. If there's one thing FS is not and that's sentimental. Sentimentality is unearned sentiment, making something more emotional than the situation warrants. John's talk with his dad on the moon was definitely not that way. In fact, it was fairly low key, which made it more emotional to me as a viewer. I thought it was a very moving scene.

J&A in the boat could have been really mushy and sentimental, but by having D'Argo and Rygel trying to explain what's going on to Chiana and getting it all wrong, it brought humor to the scene and kept it from being too mushy. By the way, it's not that D'Argo adn Rgyel don't know what a proposal was, it's that they were trying to see something that was very far away and interpret it without being able to hear it.

As far as the rest of your points go:

1. S/SS off ship *before* the creds (not important, but heck, it's my list!
-- Not sure why this would be a big deal.

2. Wet, wet, wet, wet...wetter even than a Streisand film
-- Don't understand what you mean.

3. Arrrggghhh shippy
-- This one I understand. If you don't like shippy stuff between J&A (as opposed to S&S), then I can see why parts of BT wouldn't appeal to you.

4. 'Shiny' Aeryn
-- I don't get this one.

5. Stark's haircut, and underusage
-- I don't get the hair reference, but agree that Stark was underused. In fact, I wished he hadn't even been in the ep. He just muddled things up, imo. I think it would've been better to leave Stark out of Season 4 entirely.

6. Apparantly, there is now gravity on the moon....
-- There's always been gravity on the moon. I believe it's 1/6 of Earth's gravity. Hence the slow bouncy strides. You never saw footage of the astronauts on the moon?

7. WP's comments have TOTALLY ruined the S/SS scenes
-- Yes! I'm not surprised that this bothered you. But it's important to remember that Wayne is an actor and NOT a writer. His opinions probably don't mean too much when it comes to his character direction. Lani used to talk about how he thought Crais and Aeryn had had an affair, yet it never materialized on the show.

8. Hmmm...OK....D'Argo's the capt'n right? Someone tell that to Johnny...
-- I never understand why people have a problem with the way D'Argo is the captain. He still gives the final orders. It's not the military or anything. John is still John and is going to do his own thing. Personally, it doesn't bother me.

9. How the frell did they move Pilot?
-- Same way they do all the improbably things on the show. How does the docking web work? How do they starburst? I'm assuming an anit-gravity belt that floated him to the pod.

10. Sorry, but a 6 minute 'death + marriage' scene is too much for me
-- It was too short for me, but that's me. :)

[ScorpSik]

[i]
2. Wet, wet, wet, wet...wetter even than a Streisand film
-- Don't understand what you mean.

4. 'Shiny' Aeryn
-- I don't get this one.

6. Apparantly, there is now gravity on the moon....
-- There's always been gravity on the moon. I believe it's 1/6 of Earth's gravity. Hence the slow bouncy strides. You never saw footage of the astronauts on the moon?

[/B]

Yeah, I'm a bit irreverent with my points, apologies...I'll clarify:D

no.2, I just mean it was very mushy... lots of doe-eyed looks, and I found the intro 'commitment' thing tedious, and the Ryge/D/Chi watching the boat childish (just my thoughts)

no.4 - the excessive 'make up' job on S4 Aeryn... she looked like a model as opposed to a soldier. Had a problem with her look all season, but found it distracting in BT.

no.6 - Yeah, 1/6 counds right... I'm not a scientist but the placement of the recorder on the moon, with no dust floating or anything, just looked odd. But OTOH, if that *is* accurate, then I'll stick to my 9 other reasons:D

But again, S/SS aside, the ep did nothing for me, except make me look at my watch, I'm afraid.
Sorry.

[Under A Dying Sun]

Even though I highly disagree with your opinions, don't apologize for not liking the episode, because it is YOUR opinion.

:)

[Halfbreeds4ever]

I liked Bad Timing, but I had a few issues with it myself.

1. How does John call his dad? I know I should suspend my disbelief and all that, but I hate how the Farscape technology works with all of the earth technology. Come on! He can't just call his dad with his comm! (I also had a problem with John watching TV on Moya)

2. The wormhole stuff didn't really make sense to me. Just a bunch of technobabble, really.

John: *a bunch of stuff that makes no sense*
Pilot: That's brilliant! So you're saying all we have to do is...*repeated stuff that makes no sense*
John: Right, it's like popping a bubble! But, for some reason, only you can do it.

Also, why is it such a big deal, closing that wormhole? John knows how to travel wormholes, right? Couldn't he get back home via ANY wormhole? Maybe I don't have the fullest understanding of wormholes in this show...I'll have to watch Unrealized Realities and the other wormhole-heavy episodes again.

3. The cliffhanger ending kinda came outta nowhere. Which isn't the worst thing in the world, but I don't know. It could have been better, you know? It seems like the ending would have had more impact if John and Aeryn had forgotten one little detail, which eventually caused their demise.

But here, they did everything right. They saved the day. And then, for no reason, aliens turn them into dust. It's like ending the great american novel with "and then everyone died".


...actually, I feel kind of bad for listing that as one of my "problems". In a way, I love it. It shows how engaging the characters are, and how hilariously cruel the writers are--that they can give me such an emotional high with the proposal scene, and then completely destroy it with the neutralization scene. D'argo's scream was great, and the cliffhanger really gets you motivated to fight for a real ending.

And yet, looking at it a little more critically(not getting caught up in the "final episode" hype), the "let's vaporize them out of nowhere!" ending is kind of lazy.

[Farscape Forever]

I'll just randomly throw my thoughts out here.. i'm too lazy to quote everyone who said what :D

The "vaporize them out of nowhere ending" wasn't meant to be the actual ending of the whole show though... just for the season so i think its good


"no.4 - the excessive 'make up' job on S4 Aeryn... she looked like a model as opposed to a soldier. Had a problem with her look all season, but found it distracting in BT."

I think Aeryn has always looked good on the show, but changing her look a little doesn't mean she can't still kick some butt.. and look good doing it. She isn't a peacekeeper anymore so she doesn't need to look like a soldier entirely.

I think Stark wasn't used much because they were just re-introducing him again, i'm sure Season 5 he would have been involved more.


And whoever mentioned about the "And Finally on Farscape" is entirely right, plus it can be finally if you leave a to be continued
:D

On the topic of Scorpy and Sikouzu, I think it makes sense that John and the others finally dumped Scorpy off the ship. It was good for a while that Scorpy was on the ship, but he wore out his welcome.

I agree about the D'Argo is the captain comment though, for a Captain he sure doesn't have much control :D but what do you expect when the story is revolved so heavily around John and he needs control of things.. it'd be kinda horrible if he asked D'Argo for permission every 5 mins. :D

I can see also if you don't like the Aeryn/John relationship, you won't like the end of Season 4 that much.. but for the rest of us.. it's like FINALLY :)

End Rant

[SCAPERFOREVER1904]

I thought that Bad Timing was a great ep. I enjoyed it all the way through.
I agree with you all that Stark was underused. There were some deleted scenes with Stark that explained more, but we'll just have to wait for the DVD to catch that. Aeryn looked good by the way.

[mjwillia]

I liked Bad Timing and I liked Season 4 - but - I did not love either.

Bad Timing "hit me" like all ther other episodes of Season 4 "hit me." In a word: Uneven. It is as if the writers had a great story arc that would stretch into a 5th Season and then, after all the hard work was set in stone the "Powers that be" said: "Hey, we want to be able to sell this thing so we want you to add "Monkeys reinacting the Civil War" into the story too. Because people like monkeys and people like the civil war so that means twice as many people will want to buy this show...."

Every episode had some wierd/lazy improvication in it like "John calling his dad on the phone..."

Every episode had heart wrenching and spectacular acting...

Adding to my perceptual experience of the "Uneven Nature of Bad Timing and all of Season 4" was John's treatment of Ayren. It was working for me until the episode "Mental as Anything" when the show begins with John and Ayren in each other's arms... John has obviously gotten over the whole "Aryen not telling him about the baby thing and they have figured out how to keep Scorpy from knowing about the baby." Then, two eps later, John is cold to Aryen! In Bad Timing, the show begins with John being elusive with Ayren and he tells D'argo about it... At the end, he is proposing to Ayren. Now, I could almost buy this behavior but the writers have already established that John and Ayren are back together again in Mental as Anything, don't forget -- John made a deal with Scorpy saying the only thing that mattered to him was Ayren and that he would give Scorpy Worm Hole Knowledge if Scorpy would help save Ayren. Soooo, why was John playing hard to get at the beginning of Bad Timing... It doesn't make sense... But, that is how all of Season 4 went....

I did love D'argo's anguished cry! I felt the same too!

[leeturnbull]

The episode and the cliff hanger are fantastic.

The ending made my heart sink and made me so upset!

How could they end my favorite program in such a way?

They have to find someway of making more Farscape!!

Thats what i thought when i saw BT. And prob what most of the people who make farscape too.

Thanks i think to the excellence of BT, this has made Henson and the crew even more determined to get more farscape to us.

and i only hope we get to see the mini series very soon.


Bad Timing is a perfect and typical end of season Farscape, thats why i love it so much

;)

[jayelsee]

until the episode "Mental as Anything" when the show begins with John and Ayren in each other's arms... John has obviously gotten over the whole "Aryen not telling him about the baby thing and they have figured out how to keep Scorpy from knowing about the baby." Then, two eps later, John is cold to Aryen!Say WHAT?

MAY BE SPOILERS...........(but if you've already seen BT......)




Aeryn WAS in John's arms at the beginning of "Mental as Anything". You're right that far. Then he goes off to mental training camp while she goes to babysit "the girls" (Chi, Sikozu, Noranti) on the dead Leviathan while they're looking for a sensor distorter for Moya. We see that action in the next episode, "Bringing Home the Beacon". THEN, Aeryn gets kidnapped by Scarrens. The NEXT episode ("two eps later") is A Constellation of Doubt", and John is going nuts--selling his soul to Scorpy so he can find Aeryn and get her back. "I care about ONE THING. ONE!" He is NOT cold to Aeryn, she's not even there. You must have watched some eps out of order.

They "made up" at the end of Twice Shy.....that's the last time he's "cold" to her. Then Mental as Anything, Bringing Home the Beacon (Aeryn is kidnapped), A Constellation of Doubt (John is trying to figure out where Katratzi is so he can rescue Aeryn), Prayer (Aeryn tortured by Scarrens, John & Scorpius in unrealized reality), the three-part "We're So Screwed", and "Bad Timing". That's all (for now) folks!

edited to say:
why was John playing hard to get at the beginning of Bad Timing... I just noticed that part of your post. I don't remember that scene in BT? When/what was it? Guess I'll have to watch it again. Oh, what a sacrifice.

[mjwillia]

Spoilers!

Good Catch on my perception that 2 eps after "Mental as Anything" John was cold to Aeryn again... Guess I was "going mental" there!

My reference to the beginning of Bad Timing when John was cold to Aeryn is down below - I copied it from Farscape World - I hope that that is not a real bad "boo-boo" on my part:

From Farscape World's synopsis for Bad Timing...

'John recalls Scorpius telling him that he has nothing to fear from this commitment. John tells Aeryn that either one is a big commitment. "So you're... Afraid? Of commitment." Aeryn asks.

D'Argo asks John, who is telling him what happened, if she really hesitated or if it was just him doing it now. D'Argo says that if she hesitated like that, she knows John was talking about her.

"You said what?!?" Chiana asks Aeryn. "What I said," she replies, since she is recounting the conversation for Chiana. "Like you said?" Chiana asks. Aeryn asks if it matters, and Chiana explains that if she said it like she just did to her, then John knows that she knows.

Back to the conversation. "Now is not the time to be talking commitment with the Peacekeepers," John says, "Earth is not ready." "Will they ever be?" Aeryn asks. John says maybe, one day.

D'Argo asks if he got out of it, but John walks away, saying he doesn't want to talk about it.

Aeryn asks what they do. "We hope... We hope that I can figure out how to destroy the wormhole," John says, "Otherwise all the bad things happen. And it'll be my fault." "Well, I'm with you," Aeryn says.

Chiana tells Aeryn that's good. "Always position yourself so they have to come to you." Aeryn says it isn't about them. "Sure," Chiana answers.'


That just is too "uneven" for me... John is willing to give Scorpy Wormhole knowledge in return for Scorpy's help finding Aeryn and then he's afraid of commitment? He know it's more or less "his kid" that Aeryn is carrying. They've "made-up." He knows he is not going to abandon either Aeryn or his kid. So, what's the big deal with commitment? It just didn't work for me...

But, like I said before - I liked Bad Timing and I liked Season 4. Both just have the inconsistancies you would expect from a story arc that got "re-tooled" after the fact.

[jayelsee]

Oh, yeah, I remember that scene. Just interpreted it a little differently. A little double entendre going on there.

It's funny, some eps I didn't particularly like the first time I watched them became favorites after I watched more times and noticed little details and layers I hadn't seen before. Scratch & Sniff was like that, I didn't like it at all the first time, and now it's one of my favorites. Coup by Clam is growing on me too.

[mjwillia]

If I break Season 4 in half, my favorite ep in the first half was "I shrink therefore I am" because I love John's use of "low tech" good ol' human engenuity to beat the bad guys... I love how Scropy is amazed that John/humans have survivied at all... And, who can't love Chiana yelling "faster!" when John rolls the "can" she and Aeryn are in?

Starting with "Terra Firma" on through "Bad Timing," I can't pick a favorite -- each episode had very powerful scenes...

[JrMissToughChick]

'John recalls Scorpius telling him that he has nothing to fear from this commitment. John tells Aeryn that either one is a big commitment. "So you're... Afraid? Of commitment." Aeryn asks To the PK's but seriouly they had just made up they were never together in the first place I think I'd be asking that too if I were her.D'Argo asks John, who is telling him what happened, if she really hesitated or if it was just him doing it now. D'Argo says that if she hesitated like that, she knows John was talking about her like I said they were never together"You said what?!?" Chiana asks Aeryn. "What I said," she replies, since she is recounting the conversation for Chiana. "Like you said?" Chiana asks. Aeryn asks if it matters, and Chiana explains that if she said it like she just did to her, then John knows that she knows. YesBack to the conversation. "Now is not the time to be talking commitment with the Peacekeepers," John says, "Earth is not ready." "Will they ever be?" Aeryn asks. John says maybe, one day. One day soon but he didn't realy say it like I'm not ready... did he?D'Argo asks if he got out of it, but John walks away, saying he doesn't want to talk about it. Dargo has been telling John to forget about her all season I get why he wouldn't want to talk about itAeryn asks what they do. "We hope... We hope that I can figure out how to destroy the wormhole," John says, "Otherwise all the bad things happen. And it'll be my fault." "Well, I'm with you," Aeryn says that was showing that they were together on this one and she was suporting him.Chiana tells Aeryn that's good. "Always position yourself so they have to come to you." Aeryn says it isn't about them. "Sure," Chiana answers.' Maybe Aeryn was right?


I am babeling if it doesn't make sence I'll understand.

~JrMTC~

[mjwillia]

Yes, you do make sense. The reason that that scene didn't work for me is that John made a "hell of a committment" to get Aeryn out of the Scarren's hands... They've "made-up" and Aeryn was obviously talking to John about "them" guised as the "PKs" when she asked if he was afraid of making a committment.

The scene just doesn't "Fit" in the story line... It is as if this scene was filmed with another ending to "Bad Timing" and then with the cancellation the writers tried super hard over 3 days to re-film parts of "Bad Timing" to help tie up some loose ends and to give us fans some closure... (Wow! That's a long sentence!)

Other parts of Season 4 had wierd stuff like that... It's as if the Powers that Be would insist on story line changes after an ep was filmed and then the writers would have to "patch" something together... Or, at least that's the "feeling" Season 4 gave me....

[JrMissToughChick]

I heard that they only had a few scenes left to shoot after it was canceled so I doubt they could have retooled the whole season But in all I liked it.

~JrMTC~

[mjwillia]

I was pretty ambigous there regarding re-tooling "Bad Timing" and/or Season 4 in general...

I ment we know they re-wrote parts of "Bad Timing" because DK (I think) said so in his interviews... That's probably why John playing hard to get doesn't make sense to me...

The rest of Season 4 just gave me the feeling that an ep was filmed then re-viewed and then somebody with power said: "I don't like that.... Change it to this..." and so an ep would be changed here and there thus lending to some of the wierd inconsistancies....

But really, that's just my general "overall impression" of season 4.

Season 4 really had some stunning moments that I love!

[Lindsay White]

Yes, I love it! It's extremely creative, I think. The way Aeryn and John are talking about Commitment, and it cuts to Scorpius, talking about Commitment and Chiana and Aeryn seem to be on a different wavelength, but maybe not... D'Argo thinks he understands everything, but he doesn't... It's a little confusing, but Aeryn and John and have many thoughts, doubts, feelings, and they're doing the best they can! The world, as they (and we) know it, is hanging in the balance!

Aeryn is so wonderfully, inexplicably wise at this point! I'm just dying to learn all the details! You just know there's a deep story to be told here! She's the only one who knows...yet!

The long-distance, Goodbye scene between Dad and John always chokes me up! Wow, in the contex of the story, they're not even on the same planet, but the exchange is so intimate! With just a few words, it's exactly what needs to be said between them, sob!
Jack - "When you have your own, you want them to do better, climb higher!"
John - "I love you, Dad."

The shots of the collapsing wormhole, and the Stryker passing through the pod are beautiful and shocking! The End. Sob!
The agonized keening of D'Argo, as the blast hits the boat, is Heart-wrenching! Noooooooo!

[Chi27]

Originally posted by Under A Dying Sun

SPOILER

Actually, I loved the last scene as it reminded what a sinister and sardonic edge this show has. I hope it never loses it.

I loved BT. I agree that the ending was very sinister. I mean who would've thought they were about to get zapped in that particular way (the ship flying overhead was pretty ominous of something sinister, but still...) -- and just after she accepted his proposal? That's Farscape.

Now all I'm hoping for is the remainder of the S4 DVDs to be released. :cool:

[abbadon]

originally posted by farscape forever
I'm sorta speechless at this point, and thats not normal for me with Farscape. It's unbelievably sad the way it ends.. in fact well I uh had to go back and watch the ending 5 mins. again because the first time through.. well you know

I was the exactly the same first time ,in fact I watched the ending three times..(the third being when my girl was out of the room so I could have a big manly sniffle):( ..........and especially as watching it on tv (I taped the ep) the usual intro of "previously on Farscape" contained flash clips from all the eps and then finished with B.B. voice -over of "and finally on Farscape"....I still think the ending (and remember it was shot as a cliffhanger ,not a conclusion) is amongst the best scences the've shot

[Clarsax]

I liked BT's ending too. It had the perfect ending all set up between John and Aeryn and then just when you think it couldn't get any happier, the last thing you would have expected comes along and destroys it all. Its a risky ending but it fits with what I've come to expect from Farscape. There is always some sinister surprise waiting behind every plot turn.

[Chi27]

Originally posted by Clarsax
I liked BT's ending too. It had the perfect ending all set up between John and Aeryn and then just when you think it couldn't get any happier, the last thing you would have expected comes along and destroys it all. Its a risky ending but it fits with what I've come to expect from Farscape. There is always some sinister surprise waiting behind every plot turn.

I really like the ending, as well. So long as it was meant to be season cliffhanger and not a series end. How shocking was that ending? :eek4: It was so shocking it took me about a week to pick my mouth off the floor. I'm glad they had the guts to go through with and air that ending. If DK knew the show was being cancelled, it seems like there was the option to shave off those final moments and leaving it the happy ending that it appeared to be. If I recall correctly, didn't they all take a vote about the ending it was decided to leave it as-is? IMO, leaving the cliffhanger is what has fueled the Save Farscape campaign. Maybe there still would've been a campaign had it ended differently, but I don't think fans would be nearly as vocal.

[JrMissToughChick]

True I agree

[MrX]

Yeah, I agree. BT was a wonderful and heart wrenching episode. I loved Jack Crichton's "greatest dad in the world line." That scene was amazing. Great jobs by Kent McCord(?) and Ben. And D'Argo's scream at the end was just haunting. I'm glad it ended this way though. Someone made the point the other day that if the series had ended with the kiss and no coffee crystals, the campaign to bring the show back might not have been so strong. So go DK, Rock, Brian and all the Farscape staff.

[divinedaydreams]

I haven't gotten a chance to read everything but one comment about John and Aeryn caught my attention.

3. The cliffhanger ending kinda came outta nowhere. Which isn't the worst thing in the world, but I don't know. It could have been better, you know? It seems like the ending would have had more impact if John and Aeryn had forgotten one little detail, which eventually caused their demise.

But here, they did everything right. They saved the day. And then, for no reason, aliens turn them into dust. It's like ending the great american novel with "and then everyone died".


My personal take is Aeryn knew who those guys were. She doesn't seemed surprised about them at all. She even turns John's head to give him a kiss like she wants that one moment before something happens. Maybe its something from her time away from Moya coming back to bit her and John.

Just my take.

[Under A Dying Sun]

i thought the same thing DD! :)

[divinedaydreams]

Yea I'm not alone!

[Chi27]

Originally posted by divinedaydreams
I haven't gotten a chance to read everything but one comment about John and Aeryn caught my attention.



My personal take is Aeryn knew who those guys were. She doesn't seemed surprised about them at all. She even turns John's head to give him a kiss like she wants that one moment before something happens. Maybe its something from her time away from Moya coming back to bit her and John.

Just my take.

That's a thought. But if she knew who they were and she suspected they were after due to her being an assassin earlier in the season why would she remain so calm about it?

[mjwillia]

divinedaydreams has an interesting point... Aeryn wasn't "surprised" by those ships....

However, if Aeryn knew about these people then why would she let Moya go to that planet to recuperate... And, why wouldn't she have said something to Moya's crew about there being potential problems with the planet's natives? And, why would she go out on a boat with John if she knew these folks were around?

But, you are right... Aeryn wasn't surprised! So, what will we learn about this in the Mini?

[divinedaydreams]

I never said the aliens were native. Maybe she just recognized the ship's design. Maybe its bounty hunters, she recognized and knew what was going to happen.

[mjwillia]

OOOO! Very good! That would make for a very good plot line for Season 5/Mini! Excellent analysis!

[divinedaydreams]

Thanks I try. :rollin: