A favor from people who have problems with Season 4

[Saltpork]

A quick note. This post contains no “spoilers” (Okay, maybe one small one). It’s all my personal speculation or, as some might feel, a massive “mind fart”. Now...


I’ve got a small favor to ask any of you out there who, like myself, had problems with Season 4. For me last season left me frustrated and very disappointed if I take it as is. It seems to be filled with missed opportunities (dramatically speaking), too many glossed over questions and for me, possibly the biggest sin, a compleat lack respect for established character histories (especially supporting ones), by either having them ignored or rewritten. These issues started bothering me ever since “Terra Firma” first aired.

Since then I have been trying to figure out what “The Powers That Be” might be up to, praying that it’s not simply bad writing (It happens to the best of shows). Over the past year or so, I’ve been able to come up with a theory on what might have been going on during Season 4 (answering almost all my questions and problems) as well as where the show might have been headed in Season 5. Unfortunately, judging from the cast list on IMDB and the limited number of episodes, it doesn’t look like they’re going in that direction with the mini-series.

What I want from those of you out there who also have issues with season 4 (I know there’s a few of us out there), is what exactly did you have problems with? What episodes? What questions have been nagging you? Be specific, but hopefully not as long winded as me. I would like to see if we are having the same issues with the same episode and/or events. I’d like to see if they either support of contradict my theory. If, and it’s a big if, my theory is correct, I should be able to answer the following:

1) How are they going to bring back Crais and Talyn? (Rockne and David K both said that they’re not dead)

2) How did Noranti get on Moya? Why is she there? Is she working for someone? If so, who?

3) What exactly is the point of “Dog with Two Bones” to begin with?

4) What’s up with the baby? (Hint: Rockne and David K warned fans before the start of the 4th season not to get too excited about the baby. In the end it might not be as important as you might think.)

5) Why did “Einstein” really pull Moya through the wormhole? Is he a friend or foe for John? (Pure speculation on this one).

6) If it’s possible for Noranti to be working for someone, what about Sikozu? Could she also have ulterior motives?

7) What’s with those “previously on Farscape” scenes that were never seen before? (Hint: It might be more deliberate than you think. If so, TPTB are very sneaky and clever)

8) How did Scorpius survive being shot and buried? How did he get of the planet?

9) Who is Aeryn’s fellow assassins Why can’t she tell John?

10) How did Scorpius find Aeryn?

11) What is Scorpius’ big secret he’s been keeping ever since he joined Moya’s crew? (Hint: John should be learning it very soon)

12) In “Kansas”, how did the original fire get started? What’s missing from John’s past that he can’t remember? (Hint: It’s not because of Noranti’s powder. That’s the wrong fire.)

13) What’s up with John and DK’s relationship? Why did DK die? (A surprisingly big and overlooked question by almost all the shows fans). Why hasn’t John ever mourned or even mentioned DK by name? (It is in fact DK’s reintroduction, and eventual death, in “Terra Firma” that spawned this entire theory. A lot of people think I’m reading too much into it, but I disagree. I feel that they were setting up John and DK’s friendship so that it might have been explored more fully in Season 5).

14) Who is Scorpius’ “spy”? (Hint: I think it’s the same person who put Noranti on Moya, rescued Scorpius, and assisted Aeryn in the assassination. Only time will tell (an even bigger hint.))

15) Is DK’s name really Douglas Knox? If so, why bring it up after he’s dead?

16) How will John be able to get back to Earth? This is an important question because it drastically alters all three previous season simply because, that’s the quest of the show.

17) In “Bad Timing”, how does Scorpius know that John will return?

18) What does Scorpius mean exactly when he says “Bring me the cook.”? (Hint: Noranti might be a lot closer than you think).

19) How will John and Aeryn survive the “cliffhanger”? (Hint: There’s a chance that they might not!!)

19) Finally. Why did John’s narration change in the 4th seasons opening credits? It wasn’t a minor alteration, it seemed to change John’s entire perspective and goals.

That’s it. I think I can answer all these questions with one theory that will tie up all these loose threads.

One last hint I have is this: Look at Season 4 as one massive story and each episode as a chapter with “Dog with Two Bones” acting as a prologue to it all. Question everything. Some of the people we met over the first 3 seasons (in particular the first relationship we were ever introduced to) have been deliberately and subtly altered. At least one of the character’s story is being told “out of order” (that is to say while they’ve been on the show, they haven’t, time wise yet, joined the story. It may sound confusing, but trust me, it makes sense.) And lastly. Remember the story about the dog and it’s two bones. Look back at John and Aeryn’s story arc over the past season with that story in mind. You can possibly figure out my theory from that, and why John can never have Aeryn as the story stands now.

Thanks. I hope to hear from some of you.

[Darth Buddha]

A lot of these have been covered before... but SOME are new. I'll look at 'em tomorrow. For now I'm hitting the sack.

[kitfoxer]

Saltpork, are you suggesting that TPTB are pulling a "Dallas" on us? That the entire S4 is just John hallucinating on Noranti's drug?

Man, I don't know how I'd feel if this turns out to be the case. Actually, I think I'd feel ripped off!

[janey_13]

Originally posted by Saltpork
16) How will John be able to get back to Earth? This is an important question because it drastically alters all three previous season simply because, that’s the quest of the show.


John was back to Earth and figures that he's too changed to ever belong there again and the fact that he would endanger everyone on Earth by staying there. His priorities have changed, getting back to Earth is no longer important, his friends, Aeryn, the baby, and "saving the universe" is more important. Thus the change in the opening monologue.

I was confused by a lot of the points you brought up, specifically those marked 'hint'. Can you further explain your theory?

[Saltpork]

kitfoxer.

I don't think it's a "Dallas". Everything that is happening is real, but there is an out for John. You just have to look for the "in". That happened back in Season 3 in "Into the Lions Den Part 2".

janey_13.

I don't want to confuse you all, but you have to think of the season like it was a puzzle. The clues and pieces are all there, you just have to look for them. They've been imbedded into the scripts so they're there when needed. Some of the are obvious, but glossed over by the writing.

I know it's confusing when I talk about characters who's story is being told out of order, but it's my belief that Season 5 was going to deal heavily with the idea of time travel. I think it's Noranti who's story is being scrambled around. While she was on Moya starting with "Dog with Two Bones", I think only now is she going to be introduced to the story officially. My reasoning? Don't forget, she says she was a cook on Scorpius' Command Carrier . Now where is Scorpius at the end of "Bad Timing"? On a Command Carrier. And when he says "Bring me the cook." he's not saying get her from Moya. He's ordreing her from the Command Carrier's kitchen (my closer than you think clue). He's getting ready to recruit her only then. But who takes her back in the past to Moya, and why is she there? What's her mission? I think she's been sent to look after John. Why? Scorpius needs John safe? Because John hold Scorpius' future in his hands, though be doesn't know it yet

[chri-baby]

intriguing :confused: the time travel theory was my way of saving John and Aeryn from the aliens in Bad Timing. Your theory may have merrit; However, I would not be able to judge until you explained it in totality. :wall:
So please stop torturing us and spill already!:bowdown:

[Saltpork]

I'm kind of reluctant of straight out laying the theory out there. It has been talked about on this board, but judging from the polls, it's not a very popular one. I have thrown it out there once before on another board and was quickly shot down. Not actually attacked, but pretty much told that I didn't know what I was talking about. So, given this past, I'd rather have you guys try to figure it out. (I'm not trying to sound like an ass, but this is actually kind of fun)

Like I said, everything you need to know is on the screen. For me the major give away was DK's return to the show. Rewatch the first episode and remind yourself of his and John's relationship, both personal and professional. You might also want to look at "Won't Get Fooled Again", even though it all takes place in John's head, it's still based on John's memories of DK. Pay close attention to their "reunion" in that episode, and then compare it to the one in "Terra Firma". The later one seems far more cold and distant. Almost like they weren't that close of friends (Okay, that was a big hint). Also, like I said in my original post, keep in mind their history and then pay close attention to why DK is killed. There is a straight out reason given.

Again, keep DK in mind if you rewatch "Unrealised Reality" (we're presented 4 different DK's in the "interviews"), "Terra Firma" (for the reasons stated above) and also "Kansas". You might ask why, since DK doesn't appear. That's exactly why you should pay attention.

That's if for now. I hope to hear from some of you out there.

[JrMissToughChick]

1) How are they going to bring back Crais and Talyn? (Rockne and David K both said that they’re not dead)
When did they say that? But if they arn't maybe they traveld through time? and will end up near Moya in seson five not having a clue what had happened but I not having ever heard they weren't dead still think they are.
2) How did Noranti get on Moya? Why is she there? Is she working for someone? If so, who? She stayed in DWTB after Crichton insisted on rescueing her life pod she told him she stayed to re pay him for that... but I think she is working with scorpy.
3) What exactly is the point of “Dog with Two Bones” to begin with? what do you mean that ep was awsome? I guess it was to explain why Aeryn was leaving and make it more emotional

4) What’s up with the baby? (Hint: Rockne and David K warned fans before the start of the 4th season not to get too excited about the baby. In the end it might not be as important as you might think.) again where did you here that I realy wish I heard some of this stuff. I don't know I'm not gona even try this one...
5) Why did “Einstein” really pull Moya through the wormhole? Is he a friend or foe for John? (Pure speculation on this one).Foe he wanted to kill him when they first met... I think he was searching for Crichton, and lied to him when he said that he thought it was a pathfinder ship
6) If it’s possible for Noranti to be working for someone, what about Sikozu? Could she also have ulterior motives? of course every one has ulterior motives even John
7) What’s with those “previously on Farscape” scenes that were never seen before? (Hint: It might be more deliberate than you think. If so, TPTB are very sneaky and clever) the only ones I can think of were from deleted scenes in CK. The ones before WWL?
Braca is Scorpys Spy remember? Who shot Scorpy? Braca, I rest my case.
[quote]9) Who is Aeryn’s fellow assassins Why can’t she tell John? Lechna? Just kidding.
10) How did Scorpius find Aeryn? He fond John in LATP because he sampeled his DNA in the aroua chair that's how he found Aeryn, Crichton's DNA
11) What is Scorpius’ big secret he’s been keeping ever since he joined Moya’s crew? (Hint: John should be learning it very soon) I don't know?
12) In “Kansas”, how did the original fire get started? What’s missing from John’s past that he can’t remember? (Hint: It’s not because of Noranti’s powder. That’s the wrong fire.) Duh it's a time paradox thing it happened how it happend before
13) What’s up with John and DK’s relationship? Why did DK die? (A surprisingly big and overlooked question by almost all the shows fans). Why hasn’t John ever mourned or even mentioned DK by name? (It is in fact DK’s reintroduction, and eventual death, in “Terra Firma” that spawned this entire theory. A lot of people think I’m reading too much into it, but I disagree. I feel that they were setting up John and DK’s friendship so that it might have been explored more fully in Season 5).He mentioned his death in MAA I think he mourned him in his own way off screen cus like why would they show him like that he'd have been mourning for the rest of the season.
14) Who is Scorpius’ “spy”? (Hint: I think it’s the same person who put Noranti on Moya, rescued Scorpius, and assisted Aeryn in the assassination. Only time will tell (an even bigger hint.))[ BRACA... duh
15) Is DK’s name really Douglas Knox? If so, why bring it up after he’s dead? maybe not because I think COD was from a UR but probaly John would have known right? But seriosly DK's name is realy David Kimper
16) How will John be able to get back to Earth? This is an important question because it drastically alters all three previous season simply because, that’s the quest of the show. he wouldn't want to he's been he no longer belongs there.
17) In “Bad Timing”, how does Scorpius know that John will return?He is just cofadent he will
18) What does Scorpius mean exactly when he says “Bring me the cook.”? (Hint: Noranti might be a lot closer than you think). I don't know maybe
19) How will John and Aeryn survive the “cliffhanger”? (Hint: There’s a chance that they might not!!)What do you mean? Anyway both have been dead so if they don't O well
19) Finally. Why did John’s narration change in the 4th seasons opening credits? It wasn’t a minor alteration, it seemed to change John’s entire perspective and goals. because in DWTB he descided that earth wasn't his goal Aeryn was if you remember he said "I'm not gonna let the ONE THING I love run off in this crappy little ship" By then he only cared about one thing.

I realy think I missed the point but Owell I'll post this anyway

~JrMTC~

[Saltpork]

JrMissToughChick -

The quote about Crais and Talyn I believe was mentioned on this site awhile back (summer, early fall of 2003). The quote was, when asked about their death (Crais and Talyn's), the response was along the lines of "...do you really think we'd kill them off?" Then went on and added something about Zhaan's story not being over yet as well.

As for Braca, I feel you might be wrong. If he was involved with either faking Scorpius' death or part of his rescue, then why was he surprised to find him alive on Moya when they boarded in, if I'm correct, "Kansas". He would have known Scorpius was alive and there was no one around for him to try to fool by faking being surprised. The same goes with the spy theory. If Braca was Scorpius' spy, he would have know he was on Moya since they would have been in contact with each other (what good is a spy who can't tell you anything?). Besides, dramatically speaking, it's to obvious. Why would Scorpious feel the need to hide Braca's loyalty from Moya's crew, when it's been more than well documented.

I still think the person who saved Scorpius and acted as his "spy" (note the quotes) is the same person who was Aeryn's fellow assasin and is the one who is going to take Noranti back in time and plant her on Moya to look after John (Scorpius is recruiting her at the end of "Bad Timing", the "Bring me the cook line"). But who is it? To travel through time, you have to understand worm holes and they will also have to have a vested interest in John's well being. Who on the show knows about traveling through worm holes and who's very, very, very much interested in John's safety?

As for the documentary and Douglas "DK" Knox, the TV program did come from an unrealised reality. I'll agree with you 100% on that, but you have to think bigger. Mulitply that idea by 23.

That's it for now. Hope to hear from you guys later.

[JrMissToughChick]

Originally posted by Saltpork
JrMissToughChick -

As for Braca, I feel you might be wrong. If he was involved with either faking Scorpius' death or part of his rescue, then why was he surprised to find him alive on Moya when they boarded in, if I'm correct, "Kansas". He would have known Scorpius was alive and there was no one around for him to try to fool by faking being surprised. The same goes with the spy theory. If Braca was Scorpius' spy, he would have know he was on Moya since they would have been in contact with each other (what good is a spy who can't tell you anything?). Besides, dramatically speaking, it's to obvious. Why would Scorpious feel the need to hide Braca's loyalty from Moya's crew, when it's been more than well documented.
No it was Braca because Scorpy asked if Grayza new or suspected him as his spy one of my favorite scenes Braca asked if he were alive because someone may have been listening
I still think the person who saved Scorpius and acted as his "spy" (note the quotes) is the same person who was Aeryn's fellow assasin and is the one who is going to take Noranti back in time and plant her on Moya to look after John (Scorpius is recruiting her at the end of "Bad Timing", the "Bring me the cook line"). But who is it? To travel through time, you have to understand worm holes and they will also have to have a vested interest in John's well being. Who on the show knows about traveling through worm holes and who's very, very, very much interested in John's safety? your theory involes time travil right?

As for the documentary and Douglas "DK" Knox, the TV program did come from an unrealised reality. I'll agree with you 100% on that, but you have to think bigger. Mulitply that idea by 23.
:aok:

[mjwillia]

Wow!

I think you are right! All of Season 4 being a puzzle told out of time sequence - that's brillant! That would also answer the weird "un-even" nature I kept feeling all season!!!

[JrMissToughChick]

Originally posted by mjwillia
Wow!

I think you are right! All of Season 4 being a puzzle told out of time sequence - that's brillant! That would also answer the weird "un-even" nature I kept feeling all season!!! who's right?

[mjwillia]

Opps! Sorry! Guess you guys can't read my mind! That's ok, niether can my husband!

I think Saltpork could be right. If Season 4 was being told out of "time sequence" that would explain why it made me feel like the "feel" of each ep was out of sinc/uneven. It is a lot like how "Pulp fiction" was filmed.

[Saltpork]

mjwillia -

I think John's story (in other words, all of season 4) is being told in order, simply because he's the main character and our (the viewers) eyes and ears for the story. Noranti, I feel, is certainly having her part of the story chopped up and mixed around in time. As for the others, I'm not sure who's where they should be and who else is in the wrong time. Aeryn know's something is up. John I think is going to be, at least, one of her fellow assasins. That's why she can't tell him who helped her. He can't know the future. At least not yet.

As for Scorpius' big secret he's had for most of the season? This is the one that answers the questions about how the show is going to deal with Aeryn's baby. How Crais and Talyn will return. How John will be able to eventually return to Earth. John and DK's changed relationship (an idea that people still resist for some reason). What's missing from John's past in "Kansas" (the thing, or better , person who was one of the causes of the original fire). And so on.

Rewatch "Into the Lion's Den: Part 2". Half way through the episode, John takes Scorpius down the worm hole. Keep in mind everything Einstein warned John about concerning the dangers of worm hole travel. Watch what happens to John and Scorpius on their journey. For me, in hindsight, it's blatantly obvious on what was going on in Season 4. It's even reinforced by the story John tells Noranti of the dog with two bones. No matter how much the dog wants his bone, he can't have it because it's simply a reflection of his real bone. Look at John and Aeryn's story in Season 4. Throughout the entire season, John's pursuing her like a "dog going after a bone". But he can't have her. Why? Because she's just like the dogs bone. A reflection of his real Aeryn. This, I feel, is the big secret of season 4.


Now, JrMissToughChick.

Here's a slightly revised idea that might make both of us happy concerning Braca. What if John goes back in time and gets Braca's help in saving Scorpius? It might be a tough sell for John, but Braca's loyalty to Scorpius might bring him around. Does that work for you?

[Selena]

As stated by me before, and many others as well, one cannot take what is posted at IMDb as gospel. Please note! Anyone who joins IMDb can add or delete details from the data base so what is posted there is only as good as the knowledge of the people who offer the information in the first place.

I will not accept anything that is told to me, either verbally or even if I see it in print, until it has the Henson name stamped all over it. Until then, the Farscape mini series is an open book.

IMHO Farscape is like life ... one can often feel puzzled by what is happening and feel unsure about where the future is headed. However, in hindsight, one is frequently astonished and amazed how all those disjointed pieces of the puzzle all fell neatly into place. I believe that the future of Farscape is just like that. When we see it, (the mini-series) we will be awed and thrilled and shcoked as we have been many times in the past. It will cause us to laugh and we will shed tears but it will be thoroughly Farscape and we will love it.

Until then, we need to be patient and have fun speculating. But stating that one is disappointed, is somewhat premature, as we have yet to see the wonders that Rockne, David and Ricky have in store for us. Humans are not the most patient of creatures and we do not want to wait months to see new episodes ... heck :shrug: some people can't wait to buy a DVD and feel they must download episodes :g2f: ... So I say be patient, don't be disappointed before the mini-series is even in the can. And do not be too disappointed over what has happened in season 4. It was a horrible year for the entire Moya crew.

[mjwillia]

Saltpork,

Wow! Absolutely brillant!

I am sure/I am hoping that the mini will explain John's entire story and if I were a "betting person" I would put my money on your hypothesis!

It's going to be fun watching what happens in the mini and seeing if you are right!

[JrMissToughChick]

Aeryn know's something is up. John I think is going to be, at least, one of her fellow assasins. That's why she can't tell him who helped her. He can't know the future. At least not yet. this makes scence watching prayer again she was remembering these things from somewhere right? John sent her to spy on John... good one :aok:

[chri-baby]

Saltpork;
I think your right about the trip through the wormhole in ITTLD. The fact that John was able to return to his reality has bothered me ever since the UR episode. But I had always always put it sown to human error on the writers part (hey..it happens, look at I, ET).
So, altough I do believe that Braca is the spy I find your theory intreguing and would not be at all surprised if it turned to be true.
Either way Kudos on some very imaginative and creative reasoning. :aok:

[Saltpork]

Thanks every one for the feed back. Everyone is far more supportive over here than at the other site I used to post at. Everyone there used to think that Aeryn was a robot through all of season 4 and if you disagreed... Well, you'd had better not.

I have another question for you to ponder. This one I'm not to sure about, so I can go any way with it. If you agree, or at least think it's possible that John and Scorpius were knocked into an unrealized reality, do you think it was simply an accident or did someone do it by design to get John out of the way (Scorpius was just an unexpected passenger).

Like I said, this one can go either way, but I'm kind of inclined to it being a deliberate act by someone.

What do you guys think?

[chri-baby]

With the MINI being only 4 hours long I am inclined to think that the simpler answer would be more likely if only because the would not have the time to explore complex storylines. So I would go with accidental. Although saying that I'd like to add that it may not have been the original intention. It may very well have uncovered a new enemy for us to explore in season 6. :kitty:

[mjwillia]

I agree with Chri-baby's comment regarding the limits a 4 hour mini puts on the story line.

However, just for fun:

If we went with the idea that someone purposely made John and Scorpy go through an UR... Then who?

a) Maybe, the Pathfinders - they did plant the beacon on Moya which is why Einstein said his people had expected a "Pathfinder's ship" and not Moya when they grabbed her. Didn't they threaten Moya's crew for screwing up their experiment?

b) Could/Would Stark want to torture both John (who he blames for Zhaan's death) and Scorpy (who he hates)? But how?

Who do you think could have done it?

[Saltpork]

Here's what I think might be possible (it's just a possibility, there's nothing pointing to it being what's going to happen).

Back in "Self Inflicted Wounds", Pathfinder Neeyala talks about the person they are doing the worm hole research for. This person, like Scorpius, seems to have a worm hole fetish. She says that their families would be killed if the ship and it's data did not return. I think this person learned of John own obsession with worm holes as well as his part in the destruction of the Pathfinder ship and "knocked" John into an unrealized reality to get him quickly and quietly out of the way (and not to alarm the Ancients). This person may have in fact been Einstein himself. Let me explain.

Einstein admits to having a, though according to him, slight tie to the Pathfinders. I think he's lying about his true relation to them and their research. If John and Scorpius did slip into a different reality, it was very much like the one he left, but eventually John would have noticed differences. Remeber one of the warnings about unrealized realities was, if you fall into a new reality and don't notice it, your past (memories) will eventually mutate and alter to conform to the new reality. But for John, he didn't have a chance, because shortly after the destruction of the base, Moya and the crew were pulled through the worm hole (again by Einstein's own admission), leaving John stranded with nothing familiar to ground him. He eventually found his way to the dying Levithatn for God knows how long (the "Some Time Later") where he was slowly going crazy. With nothing around him to focuse on, his memories altered for the new reality. For me this is too much of a coincidence.

I feel Einsteins appearance in "Unrealized Realitiy" was to scare John from using worm holes anymore. Like any pure evil, he mixed lies with the truth in order to convince John of the warnings, but also to hide his true intentions. As a final "scare" he sent John to Earth, eventhough John was focusing on Moya (even saying her name before his "leap of faith"), and found himself hovering over Earth. He slipped John into his altered past and tried to scare him with the thought of Jack's death which John was made to feel was his fault by going into his own past. The unrealized reality was even hinted to in what I thought was a very explicit way by having DK nowhere in the story (admittedly I think I'm the only DK fan out here, but we won't get into that right now).

Einsteins big mistake was in John's need to set things right and his love of Aeryn (eventhough it's not his true Aeryn). Nothing would stop or scare John from worn holes.

The big question for me is, how is John going to learn he's in a different reality? I think he might have been pulled out of it at the last seconds of "Bad Timing", we just weren't witness to it. That's why I said way back in my first post that John and Aeryn might not survive the attack. The question remains, who would pull him out and tell him what's going on? Einstein? If he's not the true villain that I think he could be, maybe. But if not, why not tell John at their first meeting? How about the Ancients? That's the strongest argument. But there's a possible other figure. When Rockne and David K mentioned Crais' return (the "do you really believe we'd kill him" quote) they mentioned that Zhaan's story isn't over yet. Since she was killed in "Self Inflicted Wounds" it might, dramatically speaking, be nice to discover her spirit is still alive in the worn hole. Maybe in a void like the one Einstein appeared in. It's a huge stretch (kind of like I'm trying to have my cake and eat it too), but is a nice finish to the story.

Alright. Back to you guys.

[chri-baby]

I think you have the makings of a fanfic writer. you have a dedicated, imaginative and analytical mind. So why dont you put all your ideas into a fanfic titled "Resolution" or "what may be" or something (I'm sure you can think of better titles), it would give us all something to ponder and discuss while we wait for the Mini. I would certainly be the first to read it :D .

by the way I like your Zhaan idea but I don’t know how willing Virginia would be to wearing all that bllue makeup (she is quoted as saying she would not come back to Farscape unless she could do so with out the makeup). As for the Pathfinders I believe they were collecting the information for their planetary government not for some mysterious entity.


:kitty:

[mjwillia]

Hey Saltpork!

I've been thinking all day about who/how John and Scorpy got sent into another UR and all I can say is that you pretty much covered all the basis! I can't think of any angle you are missing...

It would be very cool if something like your turned up in the mini!

[NeuralClone]

Just a quick thought for now - I'll ponder the rest of Saltpork's theory later. (BTW, I've been turning time travel theories over in my mind too.) Anyway, I want to point out that Scorpius wanted "the old cook" brought to him when the command carrier caught up with Moya again. In other words, there is definitely something between Scorpius and Noranti, but I don't think that Scorpius has yet to recruit Noranti.

[JrMissToughChick]

AERYN A BIOLOID FOR ALL SEASON FOUR?

that doesn't make scence... My mom did ask me if I thought that after John said..."I was never Aeryn" in BHTB but it did not make scence then and does not make scence now... I was never about Aeryn maybe

[austscape]

Hey I’m new here but I think I could put my two sense in (feel free to put me down if I’m totally wrong)

The thing about who's Scorpius's spy, in the ep 4x05 - Promises the other prowler pilot disagreeing on the new weapon being deployed against moya. I think he is Scorpius's spy; trying to keep the peacekeepers from getting to john.


p.s whats this about a mini s5? :S and when would it be aired?

[jayelsee]

p.s whats this about a mini s5? :S and when would it be aired?The "mini" (purported to be 4 hours) is being filmed right now in Austrailia, they're about half-way finished. That we do know. What we don't know is when it will be aired, or where. We are patiently (sure!) waiting for an "official" announcement. There's LOTS of discussion in MANY threads here, so make yourself at home, look around, and you'll find out lots more. We're also doing everything we can (see "campaign strategizing" threads) to make sure a season 5 follows the mini-series.

Saltpork, I don't have a lot to add to your theory, but it is fascinating and I have been following it and others' comments with interest. I agree, this would be a great plot for fan fic. If you are not a "writer" (as I, sadly, am not...but I am an avid fan fic reader) maybe you could offer your theory to a fan fic writer to develop. Do you visit any of the fan fic sites?

[austscape]

hey me again :D,

i was also wondering if any1 has a theory about how the humans are conected with the Egyptian writings on the gold triangle thing that they found on the "pace planet" that they left jool on?

[JrMissToughChick]

i was also wondering if any1 has a theory about how the humans are conected with the Egyptian writings on the gold triangle thing that they found on the "pace planet" that they left jool on? I do but it involves us not being from earth...

[mfa96]

Just finished watching Hot to Katratzi and have a couple of questions on things I didn't notice last time around...



Is Sikozu a bi-loid? She does ask how many other bi-loids are there- inferring she is one- and if so, who sent her?

Is that really Stark? I never knew his power could be used to cause pain. This of course could be another element in the Unrealized Reality theory of season 4, couldn't it?


Just a couple of things that caught my eye.....

[JrMissToughChick]

If you haven't seen la bomba I probaly shouldn't say anything about stark... But YES Sikozu IS A BIOLOID.

[mfa96]

I saw laBomba...but don't remember anything about Stark- what am I forgetting?

[JrMissToughChick]

The stark that is interagating Scorpy isn't the real Stark he is also a BIOLOID... there is more to that and some great Scorpy quotes but if you don't remember it may be better to wait... eps you don't remember are almost like new ones... almost

[JrMissToughChick]

to add to my last statement I sure frelling wish I didn't remeber because then I would have something to look fowered to a new or semi new ep *rats*

[mfa96]

Thanks JMTC... am looking forward to discovering something (quasi) new to me next week:D

[Elen]

Nice theory Saltpork but it has some fundamental flaws, at least in my opinion. Feel free to prove me wrong anytime. :)

First of all I don't remember Neeyala (or how ever her name was spelled) saying anything about a person she would have done research for. She simply mentioned couple times that if the ship didn't return with the knowledge their families would be executed. For all we know that is how things work in their home world, if you want to do important research you have to be ready to accept the price. It could be a simple protection against running off with advanced technology.

Secondly Einstein definitely didn't say he had any connection to Pathfinders, he said that he was of a race who 'modified' some of their own people to be able to exist in this realm to guard the wormhole knowledge (The Ancients). He's from a completely different realm, I don't see any reason to doubt this. His mind reading abilities were on par with the Ancients' gifts. He could see through Ancients' protections without any problems, this in my opinion rules out the possibilities that he could be a fake.

Thirdly, Ancients only job in this realm is to keep an eye on the wormhole knowledge. If Einstein had been some evil being, the pathfinder mastermind for example, simply killing John would be a lot safer option than pushing him into an unrealized reality. It just wouldn't make any sense to do that. The Ancients wouldn't interfere with him killing someone but they would interfere if he started messing with the realities.

And lastly (and most importantly :) ) I think this plotline would be one of the lamest ever, almost as bad as the post Matrix Reloaded theory where Neo & Co. never actually left Matrix.

[Snoffe]

Hi there

Completely new at this forum, but I've read every word in this thread.

Just a thought (and nevermind my crappy English):
Weren't the two Crichtons "equally real - or copies of the original John Crichton"? Whatever happened to that? :-)
Perhaps Aeryn was a bioloid and Crichton is in a dungeon somewhere? Hehe, far out, but could be?
We never got the answer, and now both Crichtons are dead? Or (SPOILER) as the alien in Bad Timing said: "Neutralize invaders for analyzis". ;-)

On a planet with only sea as far as we can see (funny) he was neutralizing them for analyzis. A further-out thought was that the inhabitants of that world lived under sea but.. nah :-)

But back to the thing I really want to know: Were Crichton duplicated? Or Cloned?

Snoffe

[mjwillia]

Hi Snoffe!

Welcome!

Have you seen the episode "Eat Me?"

In that episode John is "twin-ed" by an evil insane genius who invented a way to "twin" people. He said the twins were exact duplicates of each other - then he would suck the juice out of one of the twin's brains and the other people on the ship would eat the body.... The twin-ed persons would have the exact same memories and feeling that the original person had before he/she was twined. That's why both Johns had the same memories.

[Snoffe]

Thanks

Saw that ep a long time ago, so didn't remember the details. But thanks for clearing that up for me :-)

What do you think of when you hear the words "Neutralization-run beginning"?
Do you think "My God, he's gonna kill them!" or "Well, he's going to neutralize them"? :-)

Snoffe - Always in search of the simple answers :-D

[Snoffe]

Furlo!! Wormholes! Tricking John? Into the lions etc? Furlo? Could it be? Noo, she would never go through the trouble, now, would she? But she knows a bit about wormholes, doesn't she?

[mjwillia]

I definitely think the aliens doing the "neutralizing" meant to turn the "subjects" (John and Aeryn) into a non-threatening state. Once the John and Aeryn were incapable of "doing the alien researchers harm" they (John and Aeryn) could then be safely studied.

Let’s face it – why would you invent a way “neutralize” a thing if you couldn’t re-animate it? If you didn’t have the option to re-animate the thing it would be called “terminating” the thing.

It’s my opinion that the intent of these aliens (if this is their world where Moya is recuperating then I guess John and Aeryn are the aliens) is to figure out if John and Aeryn are a threat. If they are not a threat then, John and Aeryn will be re-animated.

[mjwillia]

I also don't think we have seen the last of Furlo!

I don't know if she had anything to do with John and Aeryn being neutralized in "Bad Timing."

I wouldn't put her past doing anything to feed her greed!

[Snoffe]

Maybe she's been Aeryn for season four? lol
But she did have a crush on JC ..

I don't know why, but I never liked Stark :)

For me, a good time is putting on Farscape season four from episode 11 to 22. I read somewhere that the guys writing Farscape got to know about the cancellation midway thorugh season four. Maybe that's why everyone becomes sort of a hero towards the end of the season, and everything ended sort of "perfect". The reason for the dramatic ending could be to make the fans remember the show more than if they got married and lived happily ever after? Lots of thoughts... I just wish they hadn't cancelled it :(

[MrX]

Wow. That was really complicated. But interesting. Very interesting.

[Commslink]

That's a really interesting theory, very well thought out.

One thing though, it may be that I've misunderstood you, but you think that DWTB was implying that Aeryn is the "reflection," so to speak, not quite the real Aeryn, right? But that would mean, according to the story, that the bone that John has is Earth, and at the end of S3 he didn't have Earth, he had Aeryn (more than he had Earth anyway). I got the impression that he was loosing the bone he had (Aeryn) because he was chasing after the reflection (Earth/Wormholes). That would imply not that Aeryn isn't real, but that Earth isn't, and that in S4 he has again been tricked with a false Earth. That would allow for the possibility that John must continue looking for Earth, since it has been his mission from the beginning. I also don't think it would work to have Crichton in a different reality for all of S4, too much of importance, plotwise and characterwise, has happened. However, I wouldn't put it past the writers have somehow been messing with our heads for the entire season, if not the way you've described, then perhaps some other nefarious method we have yet to realize.:D

[JrMissToughChick]

I hope not

[rinnicbob]

Very, very intriguing, Saltpork. I like your theory about S4.

I am leaning more towards Selena's point of view, however. I don't want to get into any broad speculative arc about time travel, etc., and I do trust Rock, DK (not the character), et al, to knock all our socks off in the mini.

I do take exception to one item, however. You say Scorpy tells Braca to 'bring the cook'. Actually, he says "...our reluctant human will return to us of his own volition. When he does, see to it that the elder cook is brought on board, unharmed." This dispells, for me, any notion that Noranti is aboard, or in proximity.

Yes, there are boundless questions about where the series was going. I am, as I said, very intrigued by your ideas. Personally, I can't wait to see what plays out, on screen.

[ang3l]

All this talk about false Earth's reminded me about something that bugged me when John got back in Season 4. At the end of Kansas John asks his dad, "was it a bass or a trout?"

I can't remember him ever getting an answer. :confused:

Didn't Sikozu butt in and change the subject?

[Selena]

1) How are they going to bring back Crais and Talyn? (Rockne and David K both said that they’re not dead)
A: From what we've heard from Lani at a number of Cons, Crais is dead so is Talyn. Talyn's remains are buried at the Leviathan's sacred burial ground

2) How did Noranti get on Moya? Why is she there? Is she working for someone? If so, who?
A: Noranti was in a ship that escaped the imploding Command Carrier. When they dropped off the other occupants of the escape pod Noranti stayed on Moya

3) What exactly is the point of “Dog with Two Bones” to begin with?
A: Dog with Two Bones is a bad day dream that John has and due to Noranti's dust he thinks of the worst case scenarios. The fact that he and Aeryn were unable to get together and be happy played a big role in how John imagined the outcome of their relationship. It's a very poignant episode and as it was written by DK it was on the fringes.

4) What’s up with the baby? (Hint: Rockne and David K warned fans before the start of the 4th season not to get too excited about the baby. In the end it might not be as important as you might think.)
A: Aeryn is pregnant and has had the embryo released from stasis. That’s all that we know about the baby. Unless you’ve read Rockne’s story in the final edition of Farscape magazine where he tells us about the baby’s birth and what sex it is

5) Why did “Einstein” really pull Moya through the wormhole? Is he a friend or foe for John? (Pure speculation on this one).
A: Moya was pulled through the wormhole to determine if wormhole technology had been compromised

6) If it’s possible for Noranti to be working for someone, what about Sikozu? Could she also have ulterior motives?
A: I don’t think so. I don’t think she’s with Sikozu as Sikozu came on board before Noranti. Sikozu on the other hand is very tight with Scorpius so I’ll reserve my opinion on that one

7) What’s with those “previously on Farscape” scenes that were never seen before? (Hint: It might be more deliberate than you think. If so, TPTB are very sneaky and clever)
A: Not sure which scenes you’re referring to. If it’s the ones at the beginning of Bad Timing then those are the scenes from all the previous 87 episodes.

8) How did Scorpius survive being shot and buried? How did he get off the planet?
A: I believe he had help from Braca who is his flunkie

9) Who is Aeryn’s fellow assassins Why can’t she tell John?
A: Aeryn is not proud of what she did while she was off Moya. She was however fighting for a cause that she believed in and because she is fiercely loyal she does not divulge confidences.

10) How did Scorpius find Aeryn?
A: Not sure but Scorpius has far reaching influence and he would have easily found out about Aeryn’s covert activities. He IMHO found her because she was a tie to John Crichton and Scorpius wants what Crichton has at all costs.

11) What is Scorpius’ big secret he’s been keeping ever since he joined Moya’s crew? (Hint: John should be learning it very soon)
A: :shrug: your guess is as good as mine

12) In “Kansas”, how did the original fire get started? What’s missing from John’s past that he can’t remember? (Hint: It’s not because of Noranti’s powder. That’s the wrong fire.)
A: You’re opening a huge can of worms with this question. IMHO this is all to do with time travel and a time paradox. The incursion into his past had to happen to secure his future so that he could influence his past … see what I mean! This has been discussed extensively in other threads … try searching for Kansas Discussion threads and you will see all the opinions

13) What’s up with John and DK’s relationship? Why did DK die? (A surprisingly big and overlooked question by almost all the shows fans). Why hasn’t John ever mourned or even mentioned DK by name? (It is in fact DK’s reintroduction, and eventual death, in “Terra Firma” that spawned this entire theory. A lot of people think I’m reading too much into it, but I disagree. I feel that they were setting up John and DK’s friendship so that it might have been explored more fully in Season 5).
A: You must have seen something completely different in Terra Firma than I did. John was wearing dark glasses – not because they were cool but because he was in mourning for his friends. His eyes were very red. DK and his wife died because it was one of those senseless things that happen in the universe that leaves everyone asking why. They also died because of what John knows. Wormhole knowledge is a curse - John has discovered at great personal cost.

14) Who is Scorpius’ “spy”? (Hint: I think it’s the same person who put Noranti on Moya, rescued Scorpius, and assisted Aeryn in the assassination. Only time will tell (an even bigger hint.))
A: Scorpy’s spy is Braca. We already know that from a number of episodes.

15) Is DK’s name really Douglas Knox? If so, why bring it up after he’s dead?
A: Why not? That was the right time.

16) How will John be able to get back to Earth? This is an important question because it drastically alters all three previous season simply because, that’s the quest of the show.
A: John has made a decision not to return to Earth because Erp is not yet ready for the coming encounter with the aliens. That is why John deliberately collapsed the stable wormhole to our solar system.

17) In “Bad Timing”, how does Scorpius know that John will return?
A: Because John is adept at manipulating wormholes especially in Farscape 1.

18) What does Scorpius mean exactly when he says “Bring me the cook.”? (Hint: Noranti might be a lot closer than you think).
:shrug: frelled if I know. Perhaps he was hungry.

19) How will John and Aeryn survive the “cliffhanger”? (Hint: There’s a chance that they might not!!)
A: Aeryn and John are not dead they are “neutralized for analysis” . With a season 5 planned prior to skiffy’s cancellation they were always going to be back for another season.

19) Finally. Why did John’s narration change in the 4th seasons opening credits? It wasn’t a minor alteration, it seemed to change John’s entire perspective and goals.
A: Because John made a decision to destroy the wormhole and remain in the UTs