The sadness of Farscape & Firefly....

[jfranka]

Well, they both start with an "F"...

I've been a Scaper since the very first episode. I love this show with all my heart. I have been a "Star Trek" fan since before TNG, and "Farscape" far outshines ANYTHING "Star Trek" has ever done. (Although some eps of DS9 do come close.)

I've only watched one ep of Firefly when it orginally came out. It was the one with the train robbery. The first one aired. I couldn't get into the story, and it was up against Farscape. After taping and watching the first one, I meant to tape future episodes but I didn't get around to it. Now I'm sorry I didn't do that.

You see, on a whim I bought the Firefly DVD's. (I already have all the Farscape ones.) I watched Firefly all the way through in the order that it was supposed to be shown. I discovered I really enjoyed the show! It had an arc, mystery, and charactors that I liked. There's people you didn't trust but is part of the crew, there were people that were helpful but you were suspious of, an ever-present enemy, and an even darker ever-present enemy. The charactores had a history and were three dimensional. Also, anything that occured in one episode affected another. For example, in the pilot, the engineer mensioned that there was a part that needed to be replaced, but it wasn't. Then in a later episode, she mensioned again that this part had to be replaced. It was a throw-away line, because it wasn't replaced. Then this part malfunctioning became the main point of a whole episode.

After watching the entire thing through, I rewatched some of my Farscape. I then realized something about Farscape. There are episodes I can not watch because they are too emotional for me. For instance, I remember feeling that between the last episode of the second season and the first episdoe of the third, I was so nervous wondering what was going to happen that I didn't want to see the first episode of the third season. And I don't get like that nervous in real life.

Farscape is pure emotion. Normal people in fantasic situtations having normal reactions. I get the feeling that Firefly might've gotten to that point if it was given time. I remember the first fourteen episodes of Farscape. Even though I've watched every episode, I completely fell in love with Farscape after I saw "Through the Looking Glass." I saw how these people can and will eventually learn to deal with each other.

Now here's the point. "Through the Looking Glass" was the 17th episode aired. That means that if Farscape lasted as long as Firefly, we would've only gotten from "Premiere" to "Jeremiah Crichton." That includes "DNA Mad Scientist", and "PK Tech Girl", but not "Through the Looking Glass", "A Human Reaction" or "Nerve". We would've never met Scorpy, Talon, or even Chiana!

I know this has been said before ad nausum, but I have to state this. It saddens me that such great shows, Farscape was replaced with "Scare Tactics." And now I find that Firefly was replaced while still in it's infancy, and it was mis-managed: the episodes should've been shown in order.

I don't watch much TV. I've seen only one or two "Jerry Sinefeld" episodes, I've never watched "Friends", and I have not seen one new show that came out this past fall. The only thing I watch is 24, the Fox Sunday line-up, (now that Futurama is gone, my commitment to that has diminished a lot -- and I own all the Futurama, Simpsons and Malcolm episodes on DVD as well... ) and the adult swim comedies on Sunday night.

It's just upsetting that everyone complains about the garbage on television, and as soon as we get a show that needs thought, time, and emotion, it's replaced. Formula and pandering to people who just want to veg out wins the ratings.

I'm glad we got our four hour mini series. I hope we get more out of that. I heard that Firefly is getting a movie done, and that show deserves its chance.

This topic went on a little longer than I meant to, but I had to get it off my chest, as a old and future Scaper, and a new Firefly fan.

Thanks for reading this out.....

[General]

Where did you hear about a Firefly movie?

[Frag_You!]

Oh, that's been floating around for a while since about a month or two after the show's cancellation. A movie's been greenlit, but they have yet to really script it or start filming or anything, so there's plenty of time before that gets on the screen. But at least it's still alive; Firefly was a good show.

[Red]

Where did you hear about a Firefly movie?
There's been talk for a while. Whedon's mentioned it, and so have Adam Baldwin, Nathan Fillion and Morena Baccarin. Whedon actually has the script done, he said it was the hardest thing he's ever writen, and now is in the process of trying to swing a deal with Universal, who bought the rights earlier this year with a view towards a flick -- but they just haven't managed to make it a done, done deal yet, afaik. Seems like a matter of time. DVD sales have been surprisingly strong, which is what encouraged Universal to buy the rights and make movie noises.

[Red]

I don't think it's been greenlit yet, Frag_You, Whedon's still negotiating with Universal. But it's been a few weeks since I heard anything, so I suppose things could have changed.

[Frag_You!]

Bah. I'm just a VERY POSITIVE person. :P

[jayelsee]

jfranka, you expressed my sentiments very well, not much I can add to it. I watched a few episodes of Firefly, and liked it, but it got moved around so much it was hard to keep up with (not to mention losing the continuity with out-of-order showings). I too have it on DVD and regret it was not given a chance.

It is very, very difficult to find TV I enjoy. I really liked Boomtown....before they had to mess with it to make episodes stand alone vs. continue w/ story arcs....and then it was cancelled.

I liked "Keen Eddie" (Fox).....which they showed out-of-order and cancelled after 13 episodes. It's a keen (no pun intended), stylish, different series that is now, at least, being shown on Bravo. Still out-of-sequence order (WHY WHY WHY do they do that?) But still only 13 episodes.

Just about the only "network" program I watch now is "Joan of
Arcadia".

For television viewing, I am developing my DVD library.

Oh btw, is your handle in reference to Franka Potente in "Run, Lola, Run"? Just wondering, what with the "this is my reality" comment. Interesting coincidence, if not connected.

[TINemo]

I too had watched some of Firefly, out of sequence of course since they aired the pilot at the end--- and youre going Oh-- so that was how it happened.

When I picked up my 4.2 DVD Firefly was next to it and on a whim, I bought the set. I'm loving it. Seen in proper sequence and especially if you listen to the commentaries, you understand it so much better.

I hope they get a movie, I hope they get another run. It was clever, funny, angst ridden, sexual tension-- all sorts of the same thing that made FS so great.

Of course Universal Studios is part of the *limbo* group along with Sci fi ,USA,Bravo, Trio awaiting the decision of the Federal Trade Commission on the merger with NBC. I don't see how any show can set a contract rgiht now with this messy situation.Another case of wait for the wheel I guess.

[ranger1]

i'm forwarding this thread on to some Firefly fans i know, one of whom i've 'scaped'.... jfranka, you're totally right about what could have happened if Farscape had received the same treatment as Firefly in its first season!

[Noble_Rabbit]

Originally posted by jayelsee

I liked "Keen Eddie" (Fox).....which they showed out-of-order and cancelled after 13 episodes. It's a keen (no pun intended), stylish, different series that is now, at least, being shown on Bravo. Still out-of-sequence order (WHY WHY WHY do they do that?) But still only 13 episodes.

*bows*
Pleased ta meetcha.

I made a point of not watching Keen Eddie because I knew Fox would treat it the same way. I'd hoped they would learn from Firefly, but I wasn't going to get invested in another one of their shows until they trimmed some 'reality'.

I'm a noob here from the Firefly camp, and just wanted to step up and show a little appreciation to the 'Scapers out there. Especially those of you who turned out on the Firefly boards, because you're the ones who got me turned on to Farscape. I'm ever so grateful to still have entire seasons of quality TV that I never would have thought to watch.

Also, muchas gracias for the cooperation on the DVDs to the troops effort. It's pretty well known on the FF boards the 'Scapers paved the way for stuff like that, and it's great to have 'Scapers and Browncoats on the same side. And I'm finding more often, quite a few folks are both.

Just about the only "network" program I watch now is "Joan of
Arcadia".


Right there with ya... But I'm putting my Fox boycott on hold when 'Wonderfalls' comes out. Firefly's Tim Minear is on the crew making that, and I think it could make a great follow to 'Joan' on Friday night.

[Free Soup]

If anyone is interested in why they might want to consider watching FIREFLY, here's my DVD review from Amazon.com which any of you are welcome to recycle:

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34 of 35 people found the following review helpful:

9 faces looking into the black, seeing 9 different things, July 23, 2003
Reviewer: Blair A. Petterson
I despise television. I even gave it up last year, and now only see a few shows a friend and I watch together. "The West Wing". "24". "Buffy the Vampire Slayer".

Until last fall. Then I saw "Firefly", named somewhat whimsically about a cargo ship whose end lights up when it accelerates. But this is no flashy futuristic show about technical wonders, but rather a very nitty-gritty character study of nine very individual people.

Joss Whedon, who created "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" and "Angel", had an idea for a science fiction show unique to that "Southern California born/spent time in Britain as a teenager" background of his: He read a book about the ground level grunts of the American Civil War called "The Rebel Angels" and wanted to do a TV series about the people who didn't make the history books: the people history stepped on. He wanted to do a story set in a future about a ship and where it went. Not a vast engine of war or a great vessel of exploration and diplomacy, but an old tramp steamer of a ship, so small it didn't even have a mounted gun, that made its way through thick and thin by taking any job, anywhere, no questions asked.

The nine people on board the Firefly-class ship "Serenity" aren't rich, famous, particularly smart or particularly gifted, for the most part. They all have pasts, and not all of them are comfortable about talking about themselves. They live in the aftermath of a major war that lead to the forceable unification of all of humanity, and not all of them were on the same side. The ship's name, "Serenity" is that of the climactic battle of that war, and they find themselves still trapped psychologically in a war that ended six years before. They have doubts, fears, old pains and new concerns, like where their next job is coming from and whether they'll live through it, because the few people that can hire them and will hire them have scant concern for ethics, the law or good manners. Sometimes your employer is more dangerous to you than the law you're trying to avoid.

And this is a show about the outskirts: there are laser guns, hoverships and advanced technology, but few can afford them. Big Dumb Bullets are still cheaper than Flashy Powered Blasters, and on the frontier reliability is more important than fashion, particularly when the other fellow has a habit of firing first. A horse will do you better than a powersled if you have lots of grasslands but no repair facilities or money to pay. A man dressed like a cowboy may have artificial organs and a revolver, or own a space station and need to pick up advanced medicines or even transfer a herd of cows. "Serenity" flies between the Core worlds of advanced technology and the newly terraformed Rim worlds, where people are grateful to have a wooden roof overhead.

It is this peculiar mix of the old and new that fascinates those looking for the unexpected: the comically serious and the deadly comical. Any given episode will shift you from adventure to terror, farce to drama, slapstick to deep thought and a sense of "boy, I didn't see THAT coming" without a sense that no-one is at the wheel, or that the screenwriter is merely playing with your expectations. More importantly, there are no "cheats": every action more deeply reveals the characters and who they are becoming. Unlike the broadcasts, this DVD shows the episodes, including three new ones, in their intended order.

"Firefly" is seldom what it first appears to be, either in terms of appearance or behaviour. No plot works out as expected, and people can surprise you. Joss Whedon indicated that "Buffy" was about growing up, "Angel" is about getting to work and "Firefly" is about being grown up and the choices you have to make as an adult. It's not like any other show you've seen: a story of the nine people who find themselves on board a ship, looking into the black of space, and seeing nine different things looking back at them.

Even if you've seen all the first season episodes broadcast on FOX and are waiting for the forthcoming 2005 Universal motion picture, this DVD has all episodes to date, including the three not previously broadcast in the U.S., and such extras as cast and creator commentaries, a blooper reel to equal any other show in history and a few other easter eggs here and there.

Like such great television shows as "Hill Street Blues", "Babylon 5", "Homicide: Life on the Streets" or "The Supranos", this will introduce you to people and places that will enrich you and your concept of the world. I still hate television. I'm buying this DVD.

[RobinC]

The "Train Job" was the first Firefly ep I saw, too. It almost turned me off, but there was a spark of something there...the same kind of thing that had hooked me into Farscape (weird humor, great characters, terrific dialog, unexpected events...I don't know). So I kept at it, and within two more episodes, they had me totally hooked in. Now I'm watching the DVDs and waiting for the movie (just hoping that they actually do a movie). It would have been a great show, given some respect (by the network) and some time. But networks never respect science fiction, to they?

Sometimes it's a real drag to be a lover of good science fiction.

Robin

[Nicola]

Originally posted by Free Soup
If anyone is interested in why they might want to consider watching FIREFLY, here's my DVD review from Amazon.com which any of you are welcome to recycle:



Hi Blair! :hi: Nice review!

[Noble_Rabbit]

Originally posted by RobinC
The "Train Job" was the first Firefly ep I saw, too. It almost turned me off, but there was a spark of something there...the same kind of thing that had hooked me into Farscape (weird humor, great characters, terrific dialog, unexpected events...I don't know). So I kept at it, and within two more episodes, they had me totally hooked in.
Robin

Me too. The spark for me was ironically probably the result of network notes or some such, but the single line from Mal to the sheriff sold the soul of the show to me.

just in case...

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Mal: "I don't believe he does."

Nothing big and heroic, not looking for a reward. Stone cold busted with the goods, knowing what's waiting for the thieves, they could've written him dancing his way out of it.

[RobinC]

I think in my case the spark was that unexpected thing that Mal did to the big scary bad guy at the end (which I won't explain to avoid spoiling new fans). Busted a gut laughing at that!

And now that I think about it, the line you quoted definitely helped, too! I knew the characters were very happily out of the ordinary. Isn't that also the ep that started in a bar? That helped, too. Wow, come to think of it, more of the ep grabbed me than I realized at first!

Robin

[vhsiv]

FYI, "The Train Job" was the first Firefly episode *anybody* saw - it was the replacement Pilot episode that Tim Minear and Joss Whedon were required to write over a weekend *after* they had finished the *REAL* two-hour pilot episode.

The FOX suits didn't think there was enough action in the original Pilot, so they requested something that was only an hour long, that had both a fight and a chase scene in it...

Now you know the FOX television formula - if it's not about cute kids, it's about sex, violence or high-speed chases. They must have a manual laying around their HQ somewhere...

[Noble_Rabbit]

Originally posted by RobinC
I think in my case the spark was that unexpected thing that Mal did to the big scary bad guy at the end (which I won't explain to avoid spoiling new fans). Busted a gut laughing at that!
Robin

Well, I was hooked already when he had that confrontation. But even being exposed to some of Joss Whedon's gut-busters, I never saw that coming. When I break family and friends in to this thing they've never seen, I tell them there are things here you have NEVER seen before on TV, but that's just Joss.

Probably like Farscape, but I'm not schooled enough yet to sell it.

[jfranka]

What kicked me into Firefly, when I saw the DVD, I mean, was the pilot. I understood the mixture of western and sci-fi there. The setting was explained well in the pilot. (Which, by the way, FOX TV, pilots are SUPPOSED to do...) I truely believe that if FOX showed the series in order, it would've gotten a bigger audience.

...and FOX didn't want to show the pilot first because there was no action? What the frell? There was a war, a gunfight in a spaceship, a gunfight on a planet, a spaceship chase, plus a whole bunch of action I'm sure I'm not mensioning. What the frell did FOX want?

Also,
Oh btw, is your handle in reference to Franka Potente in "Run, Lola, Run"? Just wondering, what with the "this is my reality" comment. Interesting coincidence, if not connected.

to answer that question, it is a coincidence. My first name is JosephFrank (JFrank) and my last name begins with an "A". JFrankA. Real imaginative, huh?

The comment "THIS is my reality?" is supposed to be a Farscape joke. See, if I could do what Crichton could do, and have infinite realities to choose from: How the hell did I end up in THIS reality?
:-)
Yes, it is a lame Farscape joke.

[Bekka Horror]

Originally posted by vhsiv
FYI, "The Train Job" was the first Firefly episode *anybody* saw - it was the replacement Pilot episode that Tim Minear and Joss Whedon were required to write over a weekend *after* they had finished the *REAL* two-hour pilot episode.


actually us brits got to see the show in the correct order with the extra eps, Its why im so glad Sci Fi Channel (uk) if compleatly seperate from Skiffy

[Crifmer]

Just a side note about Keen Eddie, since I finally saw it for the first time a week or so ago (and it was the pilot, oddly enough), and I loved it... Bravo's ordered a second season. I believe the episodes begin in March. Not too sure about the date, but I do remember seeing a commercial for season two of Keen Eddie.

Here's to Bravo. Keen Eddie, West Wing... mebbe we can convince *them* to pick up Farcape. ;)

[vhsiv]

Bravo's ordered a second season. No frelling way! Where'd you hear this?

If so, this is a great development - Colin Salmon has been one of my favorite actors since his 'Prime Suspect' days...

And didja know - Mark Valley was in the last-ever episode of 'Brimstone'?

[jayelsee]

"THIS is my reality?" is supposed to be a Farscape joke. ;) I get it! That's really what I figured, but if you've seen "Run, Lola, Run", you know why I had to ask! My nick is extremely creative, as well.....my initials spelled phoenetically!

Bravo's ordered a second season [of Keen Eddie].Oh, wow wow wow, are you sure? I hadn't heard. I've written Bravo a few times, though, to thank them for picking it up an recommending they produce another season.

Oh, yeah, this was a Firefly thread, right?.......As a watch it again, am starting to notice little things, throw-away comments etc., that I did not pick up on the first time. I can see that this series is definitely going to be a "watch it again and again" one. That's what I like about Farscape as well (one of the many things I like!)...you can watch multiple times and get something more out of it each time you watch.

..... I love Wash--his sarcastic sense of humour and unashamedly non-macho personality (which makes him EXTREMELY masculine and attractive). And love how they handle his & Zoey's marriage.

Excellent writing, compelling storyline, good actors, well-developed characters and relationships, fantastic production values. Well, is it any surprise this show was CANCELLED! "Meet My Gross, Fat Let's See How Many People With Extremely Short Attention Spans We Can Exploit Cheaply Fiance" it is not.

[Crifmer]

I guess perhaps I was wrong... seems their "second season" is the back half of the thirteen episodes, the six that were never shown. I'll have to sit down and watch Bravo a bit more.. that commercial's bound to pop up again.

[waltersgirl]

I love Wash--his sarcastic sense of humour and unashamedly non-macho personality (which makes him EXTREMELY masculine and attractive).

"Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal."

:::waves to the fellow Wash fan:::

i love Wash. he rocks.

[grinner]

Hahaha. Mine is an evil laugh.

[waltersgirl]

i think ya'll might get a kick out of this. (http://www.fireflyfans.net/sunroomitem.asp?i=787)

"We're dooomed! Who's flyin' this thing?!... Oh. Right. That'd be me."

[fermicat]

I'm another Farscape fan who fell in love with Firefly after watching the DVD set. There are more than a few glimmers of greatness and the whole thing is very solid. Now that I have watched all of the episodes, I am going back through and watching the commentaries. Then I will watch the episodes a second time. After seeing how good Firefly was, it pisses me off royally that it got cancelled.

And I've gotten into Keen Eddie on Bravo. I wish they'd show them in order, but some is better than none in any case. New ones would be very cool.

Fox stinks. 'Nuff said.

[VBKatLou]

Another Firefly/Farscape fan chiming in. :D

wg - that transcript was great! Don't know if I could be as glib if I were in their shoes.

[jayelsee]

"We're dooomed! Who's flyin' this thing?!... Oh. Right. That'd be me." I loved that line! I frequently find myself busting out laughing uncontrollably--sometimes in the middle of a very serious scene--while watching episodes of both Farscape & Firefly--something else they have in common. Some great lines, both as written and in the delivery.....not much television that can get that kind of reaction from me nowadays.

[grinner]

"Dear diary: Today I was pompous and my sister was crazy. ... Today we were kidnapped by hill folk, never to be seen again. It was the best day ever."

[Digger]

I gotta admit, I wasn't gonna watch the Firefly DVD's. I didn't think I could stand it if I liked it and that was all there was. But I finally did rent them when they showed up at my local Blockbuster. I thought it was very good. I wanted more. I was angry again that something so good got treated so poorly. I hope they get their movie and that it does well enough to (a) make more movies or (b) transition back into TV. Farscape is my priority, but I figure I can hel the Firefly fans a little by buying the box set.

Bravo's ordered a second season. I so hope this is true. I've now fallen for this show too. I'm dreading that there are only 10 eps left that I haven't seen yet.

[Clarsax]

I only managed to catch two episodes of Firefly before it was cancelled, so I have mixed feelings. It seems to be the trend these days for networks to take any show with intelligence or potential and set it up to fail from the start. Sometimes I'm so sick of getting involved with a show only to have it cancelled as soon as I start to like it that I'm tempted to just shut the tv off and read a book instead.

[TINemo]

Dumb question, but is there a firefly forum site on the order of this. Kind of doubt it, since the show never got a chance to build to 4 years worth of fans, but if there is one, I'd like to take a look see.

[jayelsee]

is there a firefly forum site on the order of this. This was posted on our front page a couple of weeks ago.

"The Firefly Military Project

Although not strictly Farscape related, people might be interested to note that the Firefly fans have developed their own version of the Military Project. They have alread collected money to send Firefly boxed sets to 120 USO centers world wide, and are working to expand the project, possibly utilizing some of the military contacts which Twich and the Farscape Military Project have developed (lets hear it for cross-fandom collaboration).
Please drop by and show them your support."

Here's the Firefly website addy: http://www.fireflymovie.com/troops.html

They are using some of our tried-and-true campaign strategies to bring back the show (in movie form probably). More power!

[ranger1]

i have a custom-made "Wash" christmas tree ornament made by a very nice Chicago Browncoat. it was my "most favorite-est" on the tree this past year! :)

[waltersgirl]

Dumb question, but is there a firefly forum site on the order of this. Kind of doubt it, since the show never got a chance to build to 4 years worth of fans, but if there is one, I'd like to take a look see.

the official site (http://www.fox.com/firefly) is very large and active, but it's not a campaign site...it's the site that Fox did.

the other large site is fireflyfans.net. (http://www.fireflyfans.net)

[fermicat]

There was some speculation in this thread about whether or not Bravo has ordered new eps of Keen Eddie. I checked Bravo's FAQ and unfortunately they say there are no plans for new episodes:

"NEW Will Bravo be airing episodes of the series Keen Eddie? Will you be producing new episodes?
Bravo has acquired the rights to all thirteen episodes of the critically acclaimed drama Keen Eddie, six of which have never been aired in the U.S. The series will premiere January 20 at 9/8pm. At this time, there are no plans to produce additional episodes or TV movies."

I also did a Google news search and only got hits that discussed their picking up the existing eps.

:(

[Odile]

FYI, this was just posted at:

http://www.aint-it-cool-news.com/display.cgi?id=16987

SAILING THE RIVER TAM
Buzz inside certain Los Angeles law firms suggests that talent contracts are being hammered out, and they’re timed around a May start for an upcoming Universal feature about a starship captain, a space hooker, a mysterious preacher and a pair of fugitives named Tam. The bad news: under the scenario discussed, “Firefly: The Movie” wouldn’t hit multiplexes until late 2005.

[Red]

Odile, I officially dub you today's big damn hero for making me smile like a loon. :groove:

[Nicola]

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[jbd441]

Originally posted by jayelsee
;)



Oh, yeah, this was a Firefly thread, right?.......As a watch it again, am starting to notice little things, throw-away comments etc., that I did not pick up on the first time. I can see that this series is definitely going to be a "watch it again and again" one. That's what I like about Farscape as well (one of the many things I like!)...you can watch multiple times and get something more out of it each time you watch.



Excellent writing, compelling storyline, good actors, well-developed characters and relationships, fantastic production values. Well, is it any surprise this show was CANCELLED! "Meet My Gross, Fat Let's See How Many People With Extremely Short Attention Spans We Can Exploit Cheaply Fiance" it is not.

I remember going through FARSCAPE withdrawals and like many watched a couple of FIREFLY episodes. FOX did make a mess of the show by not airing the pilot. I also read a couple of articles on Joss Wheadon. I hadn't realized at the time that Joss had written FIREFLY. I decided to rent season 1 of BUFFY because of the article I read on Josh. (to the ridicule of many friends). I can honestly say that I got hooked but for the reason Jayelsee stated above. Every episode is filled with throw-away comments that you may not pick up the first time through. I remember one of my most severe critics stopped by while I was watching the episode where Buffy meets Dracula. I can't quote her but she said something like "You're Dracula..... get out of here" like she didn't really believe him. My friend was rolling on the floor laughing so hard and he became hooked too. Later we both found out that Joss Wheadon wrote FIREFLY and sadly got hooked on that show.... THANKS FOR NOTHING FOX. I also scaped this friend!!!!! :D

[Under A Dying Sun]

why red.

i loved your old avatar so much.

[slgn*]

Originally posted by waltersgirl
the official site (http://www.fox.com/firefly) is very large and active, but it's not a campaign site...it's the site that Fox did.

the other large site is fireflyfans.net. (http://www.fireflyfans.net)

There is also the (Fox) Forum:http://forums.prospero.com/foxfirefly/start
which is related/associated to the Fox url above, but I've had trouble getting to the Forum from there (Fox store).

Cast and crew have been known to post on the Fox forum.

[slgn*]

Originally posted by Odile
http://www.aint-it-cool-news.com/display.cgi?id=16987
SAILING THE RIVER TAM
Buzz inside certain Los Angeles law firms suggests that talent contracts are being hammered out, and they’re timed around a May start for an upcoming Universal feature about a starship captain, a space hooker, a mysterious preacher and a pair of fugitives named Tam. The bad news: under the scenario discussed, “Firefly: The Movie” wouldn’t hit multiplexes until late 2005.
And this was posted on the (Fox) Firefly Forum from Chris Buchanan, President of Mutant Enemy, forums.prospero.com/foxfirefly/messages?msg=13002.28
"Hi" to all Browncoats.
Sit tight.
All is well.
All are very busy.
Train is still on the tracks.
Boulder almost to the top of the hill.
No real news until everything is in place.
Patience is indeed a virtue.
Love is the universal language
CB posts to the Fox forum as AFFABLECHAP and has occassionally given us a 'can't say anything but I'm smiling' sorts of boosts.

More Farscape, maybe more Firefly... I think I may pass out!

[waltersgirl]

SAILING THE RIVER TAM
Buzz inside certain Los Angeles law firms suggests that talent contracts are being hammered out, and they’re timed around a May start for an upcoming Universal feature about a starship captain, a space hooker, a mysterious preacher and a pair of fugitives named Tam. The bad news: under the scenario discussed, “Firefly: The Movie” wouldn’t hit multiplexes until late 2005.

SCORE!!!! :bluenana: :bluenana:

patiently waiting for the grand entrance that will definately not go amiss. :smokin:


VB,
re the glib radio chatter....we do it in law enforcement also...it's almost autonomic as a stress reliever.

we do it *especially* on surveillance which is boring beyond words. everyone's quoting movies and naming bands for songs...dren like that. depending on the watch commander, you can have a running game of "try and slip in the movie reference to the normal radio traffic". it's a good time. :aok:

[Odile]

And just because you can never have enough good news... ;)

http://www.fireflymovie.com/news.html


February 11, 2004

Even more detail about the current status of the film has surfaced:

"...we knew that the movie became held up back at the end of December. The original script was shelved and Joss wrote something else entirely. Something less of an epilogue and more of a potential springboard to a series return. Due to that and some other time constraints and projects, there was signifigant delay. Distribution stuff bogged down the works. Look for a few more official type snippets at the usual sources... "

"You will be hearing some stuff on the OB towards the end of this month... All the plans etc are still in place, they were just delayed while details were ironed out.

"There is still more legal stuff to get through, but I trust that Joss will deliver us the Big Damn Movie and makes us proud. : )

Can I just say that the best gorram words I've heard in a long long time were, "potential springboard to a series return."(!!!!) Jing-tsai!

Also does this mean that the script that Joss wrote in November and December and called "The hardest thing I've ever written." was thrown out?? Wow.








I am *loving* this!!! Last year at this time it looked like both Farscape and Firefly were entirely done and all the naysayers (sp?) were all over us fans saying that we were waisting our time... Well guess what they were *wrong*!!! :)

[Digger]

Something less of an epilogue and more of a potential springboard to a series return. Oh, wow. That's pretty cool. I wish someone in the know would say something like that about the Farscape mini.

[TINemo]

Did anyone else notice Gina Torres(Zoe) on 24 last nght. looking even lovelier she plays the unlovng wife of someone who can harm the Pres., so she and the Pres's ex-wife(Penny?) let him die of a apparent heart attack.

Good to see her working again

[Boron]

I completed watching the Firefly series last night, (actually early this morning), and at the end, after the special features, I found myself with the same emotions that I experienced when I found out about Farscape's cancellation. Sadness, loss, and a lot of anger. This was a really good series that deserved to go on for many seasons. So did Farscape, of course, but they did get 4, anyway. I would love to see both of these returned to series form. I know, and people in hell want ice water...... Does anybody know anything about Andromeda?? I ordered the 1st season this morning.


:confused: :grr: :ewink:

[grinner]

so... did you go to the easter egg and watch Adam sing the theme song?

[Boron]

Must have missed that. Heard Joss Whedon sing it, tho. He better keep his day job.


:confused: :rollin: :D

[grinner]

General goofiness

Posted by Sheri Richardson on December 16, 2003
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Joss Whedon's Firefly includes a special rendition of "Hero of Canton", a "tribute to the tribute" sung by Adam Baldwin (Jayne).

1. Insert Disc 4.
2. From the main menu, select Special Features.
3. Select More.
4. Highlight, but do not select, "Joss Sings the Firefly Theme".
5. Press Left-Arrow, highlighting the ornament above.
6. Press SELECT.

[Spedoinkel]

Wow people are saying a lot here and it's to late at night for me to read it all but I just want to through in my few cents.

I saw the "premiere" of firefly with several friends. I really like Whedon's work, Fray is great, and the only network show I make a point to watch is Angel. Other than that i watch The Daily Show, and Adult Swim. I thought Firefly was a great concept, but the "premiere" didn't hold me. I saw two later eps. And so I heard about the unedited resion of the first ep, and the showing out of order, and it just pisses me off. Why would anyone think this was a good idea? It is one of the stupidest things channels do. I wanted more firefly so that it could grow into itself, but it didn't happen. If I had the money I would get the DVDs, but since I don't I'll have to bum it off someone.

[waltersgirl]

I wish someone in the know would say something like that about the Farscape mini.

do you really think that Brian was able to secure financing for the mini just so Rock and DK could write an epilogue, tie a big fat bow around it, throw it in a closet after it aired, and be done with it? if only for simple business reasons, that isn't cost effective.

why do you think we keep saying that our goal now is to find more eyeballs? let me posit something to you that was worded so beautifully, and terrifyingly, by someone else....

what if they made more Farscape and nobody came?


edited for a downright horrific typo.

[Under A Dying Sun]

you are my hero WG. :)

now let's go collect some eyeballs!


mmmmmmm eyeballs.

[BillFrugge]

I'd like to thank you all.

I remember being on mIRC when it premiered, and from the descriptions of the train robbery decided not to watch it. Where was the science fiction? I even laughed when it got the axe. (I'm so ashamed! :O )

From what you've said, I took the plunge and bought the DVDs. I like it! The train robbery wasn't all that bad, either. It sounds like a strange program, but the western look is appropriate. The only bad part is that when these discs end, there aren't any more -- I hope they go back into production.

[waltersgirl]

welcome to the Dark Side, Bill. :smokin:

Train Robbery is a good ep, when it's context of the rest of the show, but it does nothing as a replacement to the pilot. and there is a *really* good chance that the movie will happen. it's business machinations going on now, but no one's walked away from the table yet. :aok:

you are my hero WG.

now let's go collect some eyeballs!


mmmmmmm eyeballs.


i'm somebody's hero. that's not something you see everyday. ;)

Under, i gotta tell ya, the "mmmmmmmm eyeballs", next to your avatar, after spending the last 3 days reading several Anita Blake: Vampire Hunter" books...let's just say, ewwwww. :lol

[Antrobus]

I watched the first Fox aired ep of FireFly and liked it. The ads for it had attracted my attention. While I wasn't completely won over with the first aired ep, it caught my attention enough to keep going back for more.

It was so annoying and disappointing when I found out that Fox axed the show. And then they added insult to injury when I realized that they had shown the eps out of order!

The show just wasn't given a fair chance. It didn't have time to find its audience. All the networks want these days is instant gratification! Something's going to have to give at some point or TV will find itself obsolete. (Maybe it already is with all the DVDs that are available. I know I brought up once before here what anyone thought of shows going direct to DVD and being sold that way. I'm thinking of something like how music CDs are recorded and sold.)

I'm glad FireFly has done well on DVD. I have the set, but haven't had the time to watch it yet. I'm taking a vactaion in a couple of weeks and will watch it then. I'm anxious to see the unaired eps!!

[Clarsax]

I might have to pick up the DVDs sometime. I'm tired of shows getting cancelled before I even have a chance to decide if I like them. I think I managed to catch two episodes of Firefly before it was axed. How do networks expect a great hit if they don't even give thier audiences enough time to watch the show?

[Under A Dying Sun]

mmmmmmmmmm.....

sorry that i scared ya. ;) i'm not familiar with those books. hope you are enjoying them. i gather a scary wolf sucks people's eyeballs out??

http://barney.gonzaga.edu/~aburton/corny-a.html

[waltersgirl]

Laurell K Hamilton writes them. her lead character, Anita Blake, is a vampire hunter and has werewolf friends. i had just been reading one of the books right before i saw your post and it made me giggle, which was gross all by itself. :lol

[Digger]

Originally posted by waltersgirl
do you really think that Brian was able to secure financing for the mini just so Rock and DK could write an epilogue, tie a big fat bow around it, throw it in a closet after it aired, and be done with it? if only for simple business reasons, that isn't cost effective.
I know it wouldn't be cost effective WG. I was just saying, it would be nice to hear it said that thier intention for the mini was a relaunch of the show. I guess hearing that said of Firefly just made me a little jealous.

And now that Disney has bought the Muppets maybe we will get some kind of formal announcement from Henson about Farscape's future.

[jbd441]

It seems to me it must be tough for the likes of The Hensons and Joss Whedon et al with all the media takeovers going on, the latest with Comcast and Disney. I was always curious if the network lineups change when the company changes hands like a politician does when they beat someone else in office and "clean house".:confused:

[waltersgirl]

I know it wouldn't be cost effective WG. I was just saying, it would be nice to hear it said that thier intention for the mini was a relaunch of the show. I guess hearing that said of Firefly just made me a little jealous.

yeah, i know. but the two shows situations are totally different. Fox gave Whedon permission to shop Firefly around.

i know that when Henson is able, they'll shout the mini from the mountaintops. the important thing is that the filming is almost done. we just need to be a bit more patient. :hug:

jbd,

do you mean the show lineups when you say network lineups? because that was definately the case with Farscape and Skiffy getting caught up in the Vivendi Universal maelstrom.

[jbd441]

WG,
You're correct, I mean't show lineups not network lineups. Do you know whatever happened with Vivendi & Universal? To tell the truth these takeovers get me all confused.

[TINemo]

The NBC/ Vivendi Universal deal is before he Federal Trade Commission which has concerns that such a merger would increase the cost to channels for shows they want to air. The same concern has been voiced about the Disney Comcast merger which failed and the Disney Muppet deal just announced. It, BTW, was for Kermit et al and Bear in the Blue House--NOT for Sesame Street or Farscape.