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Kurt_eh
02-27-2004, 12:26 PM
One of the FF fans at the SPACE boards brought this to my attention...

http://edition.cnn.com/2004/TECH/science/02/27/future.language.ap/index.html

Expert: New 'must learn' language likely to be Mandarin
Share of people who are native English speakers declining

WASHINGTON (AP) --The world faces a future of people speaking more than one language, with English no longer seen as likely to become dominant, a British language expert says in a new analysis.

"English is likely to remain one of the world's most important languages for the foreseeable future, but its future is more problematic -- and complex -- than most people appreciate," said language researcher David Graddol.

He sees English as likely to become the "first among equals" rather than having the global field to itself.

"Monolingual speakers of any variety of English -- American or British -- will experience increasing difficulty in employment and political life, and are likely to become bewildered by many aspects of society and culture around them," Graddol said.

The share of the world's population that speaks English as a native language is falling, Graddol reports in a paper in Friday's issue of the journal Science.

The idea of English becoming the world language to the exclusion of others "is past its sell-by date," Graddol says. Instead, its major contribution will be in creating new generations of bilingual and multilingual speakers, he reports.

A multi-lingual population is already the case in much of the world and is becoming more common in the United States. Indeed, the Census Bureau reported last year that nearly one American in five speaks a language other than English at home, with Spanish leading, and Chinese growing fast.

And that linguistic diversity, in turn, has helped spark calls to make English the nation's official language.

Yale linguist Stephen Anderson noted that multilingualism is "more or less the natural state. In most of the world multilingualism is the normal condition of people."

"The notion that English shouldn't, needn't and probably won't displace local languages seems natural to me," he said in a telephone interview.

While it is important to learn English, he added, politicians and educators need to realize that doesn't mean abandoning the native language.

Graddol, of the British consulting and publishing business The English Company, anticipates a world where the share of people who are native English speakers slips from 9 percent in the mid-twentieth century to 5 percent in 2050.

As of 1995, he reports, English was the second most-common native tongue in the world, trailing only Chinese.

By 2050, he says, Chinese will continue its predominance, with Hindi-Urdu of India and Arabic climbing past English among 15-to-24 year olds, and Spanish nearly equal to it. Graddol said he focused on the 15- to 24-year-old group in 2050 to give an indication of the future past that point.

Swarthmore College linguist K. David Harrison noted, however, that "the global share of English is much larger if you count second-language speakers, and will continue to rise, even as the proportion of native speakers declines."

Harrison disputed listing Arabic in the top three languages, "because varieties of Arabic spoken in say, Egypt and Morocco are mutually incomprehensible."

Even as it grows as a second language, English may still not ever be the most widely spoken language in the world, according to Graddol, since so many people are native Chinese speakers and many more are learning it as a second language.

English has become the dominant language of science, with an estimated 80 percent to 90 percent of papers in scientific journals written in English, notes Scott Montgomery in a separate paper in the same issue of Science. That's up from about 60 percent in the 1980s, he observes.

"There is a distinct consciousness in many countries, both developed and developing, about this dominance of English. There is some evidence of resistance to it, a desire to change it," Montgomery said in a telephone interview.

For example, he said, in the early years of the Internet it was dominated by sites in English, but in recent years there has been a proliferation of non-English sites, especially Spanish, German, French, Japanese and others.

Nonetheless, English is strong as a second language, and teaching it has become a growth industry, said Montgomery, a Seattle-based geologist and energy consultant.

Graddol noted, though that employers in parts of Asia are already looking beyond English. "In the next decade the new 'must learn' language is likely to be Mandarin."

"The world's language system, having evolved over centuries, has reached a point of crisis and is rapidly restructuring," Graddol says. In this process as many as 90 percent of the 6,000 or so languages spoken around the world may be doomed to extinction, he estimated.

Graddol does have words of consolation for those who struggle to master the intricacies of other languages.

"The expectation that someone should always aspire to native speaker competence when learning a foreign language is under challenge," he comments.



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stellar
02-27-2004, 12:47 PM
What's a finguistic?

Kurt_eh
02-27-2004, 12:48 PM
Oops. I just noticed my typo in the title.

That's Linguistics, not Finguistics.

Easy mistake to make, with the "f" key and "l" keys being so close together and all :huh:

generic_screenname
02-27-2004, 12:51 PM
That's Linguistics, not Finguistics.

I thought maybe it was Mandarin or Esperanto

stellar
02-27-2004, 12:54 PM
Originally posted by Kurt_eh
Easy mistake to make, with the "f" key and "l" keys being so close together and all :huh:

good "luck" with that. :P

fermicat
02-27-2004, 12:55 PM
While globally, it might be wise to learn Chinese, in the USA it seems that the most useful second language to learn would be Spanish. Unfortunately, I remember almost nothing of the Spanish I took in high school. Unless the conversation is about "the bathroom" or "shoes" I am out of luck.

generic_screenname
02-27-2004, 12:57 PM
good "luck" with that.

:roflmao:

Digger
02-27-2004, 12:58 PM
all the spanish I remember is from Steve Martin.

donde esta de casa de pepe (I'm sure that the spelling is horribly wrong on this)

Kurt_eh
02-27-2004, 01:02 PM
luck , :censored: what's the difference? :D

NYPinTA
02-27-2004, 03:27 PM
Originally posted by stellar
good "luck" with that. :P

:rollin:

I love languages. Having said that, I only speak one. (Unless you count igpay atinlay)....
I took six years of Spanish in school, (and before any smart alec asks- 2 years in Jr. High, the other 4 in High School.) I now know how to say this: 'No habla espanol.' Six freaking years for that.
But despite my failure as a finguist :D I am trying again... this time with french.

JadedLegend3
02-27-2004, 03:37 PM
I took a really fascinating course on the English language and it's rate of decline. Well, it fascinated this English major nerd! :P

Once, I got yelled at for a nun because I said "ofTen." She said that it has changed pronunciation and that the proper pronunciation is "offen." I do not like that at all. So I say "ofTen." :)

stellar
02-27-2004, 03:40 PM
Originally posted by Kurt_eh
luck , :censored: what's the difference? :D

$30/hr.

JadedLegend3
02-27-2004, 03:42 PM
Originally posted by stellar
$30/hr.

Might be a bit more than that! Remember Vivien said she makes $100/hour.



From "Pretty Woman," duh! :P

stellar
02-27-2004, 03:43 PM
Comeback #1: It's been a while since I've priced it.

Comeback #2: That's not what it said on ebay.

NYPinTA
02-27-2004, 03:44 PM
:lol

Kurt_eh
02-27-2004, 03:51 PM
Now who's got the typos. F and L, can be understood, stellar, but I and U!

How disappointing ;) :innocent:

darius
02-27-2004, 03:53 PM
English is way easier to learn than either Spanish or Mandarin, it's illogical that it wouldn't be used in it's same role internationally into the future.

LiLOrion
02-27-2004, 04:57 PM
Originally posted by NYPinTA
I took six years of Spanish in school, I now know how to say this: 'No habla espanol.' Six freaking years for that

Me too! Only it was French. 5 years...junior high through college...and I can say "I dont know" and "I dont understand" and a few other short statements in French. :D


All my:

Spanish: I learned from Sesame Street/Telemundo!
German: Hogan's Heroes
British: BBC America
Australian: Paul Hogan/Yahoo Serious/The Croc Hunter
Chinese: The menu at the restaurant.

Scarran Raptor
02-27-2004, 10:16 PM
someone invent translator microbes or a universal translator or something

trubador
02-27-2004, 10:24 PM
Repeat after me..... "no problem"

AgentSun
02-27-2004, 10:28 PM
crap, you know whats going to happen? i'm going to get all this crap for the next (counts on her fingers) 46 years is how i should've kept learning chinese when i was younger!!!

LadyCrais
02-27-2004, 11:32 PM
I have two co-workers. One speaks Hindi and the other speaks Manderin. I think I could handle learning Hindi. It at least has grammar. But after four years of listening to Manderin spoken around me (and my boss for many more years than that), neither one of us has picked up a single word of the language. Not one. So heaven help us if we have to learn that one any time soon!

I more or less understood and spoke a little French until I learned German. My French totally deserted me as a spoken language, but I still read it better than I do German, which I can actually communicate in on some level verbally. I think my brain can only handle a maximum of 2 languages at best, and only the one I was born with fluently. (sigh)

Defect9
02-28-2004, 04:19 AM
Originally posted by trubador
Repeat after me..... "no problem"

"Go Raiders"

-J