Father of the Child

[Captain Calhoun]

I just got 4.2 the other day and it was my first time seeing those episodes since they aired, same with 4.1.

Now I know the baby is Crichton's, but is it Crichton's before the split or is it the Talyn Crichton's? I kinda fugured that it wasn't the Moya Crichton's because they never really had the time to, plus Aeryn wasn't emotionally there after Talyn Crichton's death.

Thanks in advance!

Mac

[UTChick]

I don't think it's ever explicitly explained. MJohn had decided that if it was TJohn's, it would be his just due to genetics. It has been surmised that it could've been possible to be MJohn's - if there was the recreation that was hinted at in A Human Reaction. That was only 4 years ago & a baby could stay in stasis for up to 7 years.

It'll be interesting to hear others' input.

[SweetpeaAeryn]

Hmm... well, I'm just glad it's John's... plain and simple... as to which John's... hmm... most likely TJohn's... but it could be MJohn's from HR.

But no matter which one's it was.. it really doesn't make any difference.. "equal and original," remember. There would be no way to figure out, genetically, whose it was, I think.

[jayelsee]

We don't know who the daddy is !:rollin: except that it IS John Crichton's (and I think there was defintely recreation in A Human Reaction :) ).

[Chi27]

Equal and original makes it John's baby genetically. I think Talyn John was the one to actually father the baby, though. During that time she was with Talyn John, they were screwing like bunnies. :D So it wouldn't surprise me in the least that she conceived.

I've never could quite wrap my brain around how it could be Moya John's from AHR as how would Aeryn not know she had pregnancy in stasis all that time up to DWTB. Plus I don't think Aeryn would recreate with him in AHR without knowing her birth control was working. Since she said told him in SOD that she loved him and obviously her love for him continued to grow, I think it didn't really matter to either them in GEM onward if her birth control was working. Thus, Talyn John is the one who "physically" fathered the baby.

[FieryHands]

I think its probably Talyn John's, but you know, at NO point was John's DNA compared to the baby's, its just assumed because the Scarrens said they couldn't identify the DNA, the baby must be half-human, which is logical. BUT Aeryn isn't 100% Sebacean anymore, thanks to Namtar back in DNA Mad Scientist, so, I think there's room for DK or some writer to frell it all up...

Just saying.;)


Oh, and I can't bring myself to believe that Aeryn was pregnant during DMD (and therefore conceived during AHR) because that would be even more tragic. :cry2:

[SweetpeaAeryn]

Originally posted by FieryHands
Oh, and I can't bring myself to believe that Aeryn was pregnant during DMD (and therefore conceived during AHR) because that would be even more tragic. :cry2:

OOH I had never even thought of that!

(Sometimes... 2 and 2 just don't go together in my head....)

[AliR]

Hi
I remember reading over on Farscapeworld ( I think) that Ben and Claudia had made the decision to play it as if they'd 'Done it' after Human Reaction - so it could be JC's from then.

peace Ali

[Chi27]

Originally posted by FieryHands


Oh, and I can't bring myself to believe that Aeryn was pregnant during DMD (and therefore conceived during AHR) because that would be even more tragic. :cry2:

OMG! I never thought about that. Crap! Oh, that's just too sad to contemplate. I can't imagine watching DMD/SOD thinking that she's pregnant when all that happens. :eek: Like it or not by some, I'd rather think she didn't conceive until she was with Talyn John.

[Kalliope]

I think it's rather TalynJohn's.

[Jeff O'Connor]

I agree. Moya John and Aeryn had a lot of conflict that resulted in no recreation since Aeryn's return to Moya and departure... then return. Talyn John on the other hand was the reason Aeryn had so much grief when even looking at Moya John's, but T and Aeryn definitely did some frelling before any of that remorse was brought in.

[AyuRocks]

Originally posted by AliR
Hi
I remember reading over on Farscapeworld ( I think) that Ben and Claudia had made the decision to play it as if they'd 'Done it' after Human Reaction - so it could be JC's from then.

peace Ali

That's not exactly true. The original episode, they filmed the "morning after" scene so it was already confirmed they "did it" and ohn was told that everyone was real, but the place was created from his memory.. so it actually did happen. Except this was one of the Euro scenes that never aired in the US so there was confusion there that was finally set strait in Mind the Baby. But yes, they did play it like they'd done it because it really was written they had, it wasn't an independent decision.

Ashley

[stlscape]

Originally posted by Chi27
...I've never could quite wrap my brain around how it could be Moya John's from AHR as how would Aeryn not know she had pregnancy in stasis all that time up to DWTB...I think it didn't really matter to either them in GEM onward if her birth control was working. Thus, Talyn John is the one who "physically" fathered the baby.

If what the Sebacean nurse told the Scarran in WSS was correct, a PK pregnancy goes into stasis when it's four cells large, so *I* doubt Aeryn would have known she was pregnant. (I know I didn't when my daughter was that size. :) ) I also don't think the PK medics would tell a PK soldier (not on the breeding roster) that they were pregnant. Soldiers are supposed to do soldier-stuff, not skimp on soldier-stuff to protect their baby. If High Command wants you to breed, they'll let you know.

Originally posted by Fiery Hands
...but you know, at NO point was John's DNA compared to the baby's, its just assumed because the Scarrens said they couldn't identify the DNA, the baby must be half-human, which is logical.

Since Aeryn flatly states to John in Bad Timing "It's yours." (no ifs, ands, or buts, no maybes or sort-ofs), I assumed that the stasis was released and DNA testing had been done on the Command Carrier which would have John's DNA info. (Scorpius alluded to having Crichton's DNA in LATP and Grayza had *ahem* had plenty of opportunities to obtain a sample.) I don't see how she could be that positive unless she'd had DNA testing done. (Although assuming she only been with Sebaceans prior to John, if the fetus didn't test out 100% Sebacean I suppose she could safely make the assumption that it was his (even if she hadn't had it tested against his DNA.)

[Chi27]

Originally posted by stlscape
If what the Sebacean nurse told the Scarran in WSS was correct, a PK pregnancy goes into stasis when it's four cells large, so *I* doubt Aeryn would have known she was pregnant. (I know I didn't when my daughter was that size. :) ) I also don't think the PK medics would tell a PK soldier (not on the breeding roster) that they were pregnant. Soldiers are supposed to do soldier-stuff, not skimp on soldier-stuff to protect their baby. If High Command wants you to breed, they'll let you know.



Since Aeryn flatly states to John in Bad Timing "It's yours." (no ifs, ands, or buts, no maybes or sort-ofs), I assumed that the stasis was released and DNA testing had been done on the Command Carrier which would have John's DNA info. (Scorpius alluded to having Crichton's DNA in LATP and Grayza had *ahem* had plenty of opportunities to obtain a sample.) I don't see how she could be that positive unless she'd had DNA testing done. (Although assuming she only been with Sebaceans prior to John, if the fetus didn't test out 100% Sebacean I suppose she could safely make the assumption that it was his (even if she hadn't had it tested against his DNA.)

Four cells? That's not even a fetus. At that stage it's considered an embryo. If I recall, it's no called a fetus (at least in human anatomy) until something like 4 weeks after conception. That's what's kinda confusing because the word fetus implies that it's a little more developed than simply four cells.

[padmeskywalker]

I don't think it would be tradic if it was from AHR, I mean, MAYBE that's why Zhann brought Aeryn back, cuz she could 'sense' the baby or whatever...

[stlscape]

Originally posted by Chi27
Four cells? That's not even a fetus. At that stage it's considered an embryo. If I recall, it's no called a fetus (at least in human anatomy) until something like 4 weeks after conception. That's what's kinda confusing because the word fetus implies that it's a little more developed than simply four cells.

Yeah, I saw some in-depth discussions about terminology and plausibility when Bad Timing first aired (and biology not being one of my best subjects while I was in school, I didn't remember what a "pre-baby" was called at what stage. :) ) But, that's PK reproduction according the nasty Scarran-serving, Sebacean nurse - ya starts with one, it divides, it divides again, and they all goes into stasis and don't do anything more.

[SweetpeaAeryn]

Originally posted by padmeskywalker
I don't think it would be tradic if it was from AHR, I mean, MAYBE that's why Zhann brought Aeryn back, cuz she could 'sense' the baby or whatever...

OOH! That would be kinda cool!!! :)

[FieryHands]

If Zhaan knew Aeryn was pregnant (I don't think a delvian would make for an accurate pregnancy test), why not bother to tell her during untity? Aeryn wouldn't have resisted so much if she knew Zhaan wasn't just doing it for her.

[Mrelia]

Yeah, but do you want Wrinkles to be more on the ball than Zhaan? :D

Zhaan may have sensed the pregnancy subconsciously and so been even more willing to make the sacrifice.

[FieryHands]

Well, I'm not convinced. *shrugs*

Okay, so if Aeryn WAS pregnant since AHR, she was pregnant during LATP...oh my. So Katralla wasn't the only one with a bun in the oven? Bad Johnny!

Hey though, don't you think falling off that rock cliff might affect a pregnant woman? If it is just four little cells, don't you think *something* might damage it?

[AyuRocks]

I think that one of the points of stasis is that is doesn't. The women are supposed to be able to fight a war while the baby is in stasis. If they didn't care if the baby died or not then they'd just send them in to battle while the mother is barely pregnant and just let it die. So I think it's protected while in statsis.

Ashley

[Chi27]

Originally posted by FieryHands


Okay, so if Aeryn WAS pregnant since AHR, she was pregnant during LATP...oh my. So Katralla wasn't the only one with a bun in the oven? Bad Johnny!



Heehehehe, yeah, our Johnny seems to have some powerful swimmers. ;) :D Well, at least he didn't sleep with Katralla. However, there was that Disruptor chick, Jenavia or whatever her name was. Hope, she isn't carrying a bun in the oven since they really did do the deed. :eek:

[Chi27]

Originally posted by AyuRocks
I think that one of the points of stasis is that is doesn't. The women are supposed to be able to fight a war while the baby is in stasis. If they didn't care if the baby died or not then they'd just send them in to battle while the mother is barely pregnant and just let it die. So I think it's protected while in statsis.

Ashley

From what we've been told, the stasis lasts for up to 7 years. So those four cells are in stasis all that time until the woman decides she wants to have the baby or not. However, if a woman is not likely to know she's pregnant and thus after 7 years those cells disentegrate or are shed. Thus, this is why Aeryn wasn't certain who fathered the baby, John or Velorek. I think Velorek was a possibility along with M-John and T-John. (I still don't think she conceived in AHR).

Another question, is it only PKs who experience stasis pregnancies or is it Sebaceans in general? I can see if this was a birth control method used by the PKs to ensure that their female troops aren't popping babies simply due to the fact that they engage in recreation. I've read a fic once where a medic offered to replace Aeryn's implant so that she wouldn't conceive anymore stasis pregnancies since she already had a stasis pregnancy. By that reasoning, having hot monkey sex with John while pregnant could put another bun in her oven whereas in human anatomy pregnancy is the safest time to indulge.

[SweetpeaAeryn]

Aeryn said, "Those of us born on a command carrier..." so it's not all Sabaceans and not even all PK's it seems.

Kinda a side note... wanna see just how much John's been around? Check out the character bio on the FEP (the bio itself is not complete... but the "marital status" is.

http://www.farscape-1.com/index.php?title=John%20Robert%20Crichton,%20Jr


;)

[Chi27]

Originally posted by SweetpeaAeryn
Aeryn said, "Those of us born on a command carrier..." so it's not all Sabaceans and not even all PK's it seems.

Kinda a side note... wanna see just how much John's been around? Check out the character bio on the FEP (the bio itself is not complete... but the "marital status" is.

http://www.farscape-1.com/index.php?title=John%20Robert%20Crichton,%20Jr


;)

Seeing his marital status as "engaged" put a smile on my face. But yes, he has been around. ;)

So perhaps it's only those women who are destined to be fighters injected with something or altered in some way to allow for stasis pregnancies. Techs say, such as Gilina, would have normal gestations. The question is can could it be reversed and could Aeryn one day have a normal gestation without the stasis.