A couple of questions about the last episode... just like everyone here, lately. ^^;;

[Jeff O'Connor]

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All right, just two quick questions... one of them is a factual "yes or no" that I must've missed the answer to, the other is just speculative, I think.

Firstly, if there's a whole network of wormholes, then wouldn't it be possible for the Scarrens to invade Earth via another one? Or is that just like saying, "well if they get wormhole technology they can do anything"? Or is there only one wormhole going to Earth? I either missed or forgot that... I have missed about ten or fifteen episodes, unfortunately, and don't have the cash to get the boxed sets yet. If there was only one wormhole to Earth on a direct course like that then were John, Aeryn, and Pilot, followed Penakh (sp) and his goons exactly where John got flung into the UTs in Premiere? I don't quite follow that, I must be slow... x.x;;

The other is, John tells his father "you build a rocket", "the old-fashioned way", about how Humans can get into deep space, but he also leaves that recording box-type thing that he's always seen with on 'Serenity Base', what information did he leave? He said technology and navigation records... does this mean he left Earth with means of reaching deep space within a year or so, or just a booster? I couldn't imagine he'd have something on there to shoot them all the way into the UTs in a flash, after all, that's what wormholes are for... didn't Scorpie say in Lambs to the Slaughter that it would take like... sixty years to reach Earth even with the fastest ships? That's just all speculative, what does everyone think John left, technology-wise, on that thing? Unless of course there's a definitive answer I'm missing.

Thanks, everyone. I'm just such a frellnick sometimes. :(

[gill_za]

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I think I remember some of what Einstein said in unrealized reality. He said that all wormholes are connected to each other and each wormhole has millions of exits. So I think that yes they can reach earth with any other wormhole, however they don't really know how to navigate inside one. So earth might be safe for a while.

What he could leave in the recorder.. well we can speculate about it for a long time...imho, he might have left the theory/basics behind wormhole tech for us to discover and develop, like ancients did when they uploaded that stuff into his head. It might just be enough for the scientists to start and develop/rediscover further, and maybe the principles of that "hetch" drive that was installed on his module, he probably had more than enough time to backengineer it.

[Jeff O'Connor]

Yes, I agree. And about Unrealized Reality... that irks me to no end, as I've yet to have the opportunity to see it. I'm constantly reading things from that episode... it seems like a really bad one to have missed. But I don't want to just find a bootleg copy and download it. I'd feel bad... X_X

[gill_za]

hmm :tomato: that is exactly what I did :tomato::tomato:
.....unfortunately at that time I had no other option.... But yes! You must see it, it is one of the key episodes.!! Based on this episod many people in this thread theorize about the upcomming mini-series. I'm sure you have read this one already : http://www.watchfarscape.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=20483

[Jeff O'Connor]

*nod nod* Yeah, I have, great thread though. ^_^

Definitely can't wait to see Unrealized Reality... maybe I'll... *cough download it /cough*

*sighs* Oh well. It'd be worth it. And besides I plan on buying the whole series as soon as possible anyway.

[Frunium Slip]

Originally posted by gill_za
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What he could leave in the recorder.. .maybe the principles of that "hetch" drive that was installed on his module, he probably had more than enough time to backengineer it.
Or not, as he did tell his friend DK that he just installed it on his module, he didn't make it. It was up to the scientists to figure out...
thinks anything left on the recording would be insignificant as far as hetch drive technology to the scientists actually studying the actual devices on the module...
Could have been some worm hole equations, but without ever having been anywhere, what good is that? Einstein stated that you had to have been there before to get a feel for W-H travel, otherwise you are just flying blind...

[gill_za]

How many physics theories are actualy used daily since their discoveries?? How many have been used at all? Not many. So, the very fact that they might have those equations is already a big step forward.

[buckwheet the 16th]

How worm holes are created, used, navigated changes everytime it is needed to suit the story (which is fine by me).

First wormhole come about from Planitary gravity and solar flares as seen in Till the blood runs clear and Icarus Abides.

Then they are either stable or unstable and seem to be everywhere but turn you to goo unless you are in John's module, moya, or a pathfinder vehicle.

Then it seems anybody can ride in them if you know where you are going and eventhen you don't know when you will arrive unless you've been there before (which doesn't make much sense since it would be absolutly useless for travel purposes).

And I'm sure that there will be other explainations on how they work by the time PK war is over. So my advice is to just not think about it too much and go along for the ride or, invest in lots of excedrin!!

[AerynsPulsePistol]

Myu question on Bad Timing involves that rather annoying Qujagan:

Why did he choose THAT moment to "neutralise" John and Aeryn?? :rolleyes:

You don't think he could have WAITED a minute or two until they got back to Moya?? Ah, the unfairness of it all. :D

Maybe in the Mini we can be treated to D'Argo snapping off each annoying little facial appendage of that split-faced, annoying little Qujagan man.

Well, I can hope. Maybe we can sit him next to Stark and let him rave on while Noranti repeats her "exposure" from LAMST. Except the bit where she ISN'T appearing as that rather nice young slave girl.

Seriously though, I must ask: When Chiana is explaining to D'Argo and Rygel that John just proposed why does Rygel just bugger off? I'd say it's because he wanted to eat and he also thought Crichton was an idiot for proposing, but seriously though, why does he just leave??

Significant or he was just hungry??

[ChianaGray]

I'm just as confused there as Buckwheat and I'm trying to work on a fanfic right now that's kind of going reverse of the usual wormholes cause it's coming out of an unrealized reality ....

basicly I think many wormholes must be specifically stationary, for Pathfinders to use them, and for John to find earth at the one he had to destroy - which isn't the one he got shot through in Premier cause they're in the tormented space?

I'm not exactly sure how the time thing is supposed to work, especially if there's allot of people on a ship, how could they mess up and end up in an unrealized reality? I must've missed that part. It all starts to get kind of Zen there.

But there seems to be a wide variety of types of wormholes, some unstable, some you can just whip up, and others that just appear on their own. There was something somewhere about John being able to travel wormholes without turning into mush by a lucky chace he had -something- right, I forgot what that was.

I think the Scarran's or anyone could find a wormhole to earth if they did that "think Earp" thing in UR or chanced upon one that leads to the earths solar system. I don't think he destroyed the only one, just the one he knew about. There was still the one in Premier he came out of, and the Pathfinders had gathered the Three Stooges from passing through a most likely very different one.

[Jeff O'Connor]

Boy, ChianaGray, I never realized you were so intellectual and mind-numbing (at least cause I'm so frelling tired right now!!) back when I first saw you at Farscape Five. (The good ole days when I'd seen about fifteen episodes...) But yes, wonderful questions indeed, I hope there's someone reading these with some answers! Also, geez, it's been a while since I saw this thread of mine... it's got dust on it... poor thing... :D

[ChianaGray]

Rofl!

Yeah durn that FS5, I'm gonna have to try that again cause it died.

I usually lurk but after the Ben and Claudia chat I noticed there's allot of Nebari around here *snerk* It's gotten better around here since it's begginings and nobody's paying any attention to me, so that's comfortable.

I got wormhole brain damage following JC around Farscape and this off the side fic I'm doing ... cause I'm wondering about a reverse wormhole ... well I'll spoil the fic if I get into it too much but part of it, I'm wondering if a specific anomoly wormhole, back to real time *from* an unrealized reality, can travel around, appear at different places. Not really like a white hole to a black hole but maybe kinda I guess. An unrealized wormhole! ha!

[RydraWong]

This is just my impression, but what I assumed was that each wormhole functions like a "doorway" into the wormhole network. Once you're in the network, you can navigate through it and come out at any of a number of other wormholes (or get flung out at random, as John is in the Premiere).

John specifies in WWL that each wormhole is really there all the time - it just takes special conditions for it to open and appear.

So the wormhole that was "popped" in Bad Timing is the one he went through in the Premiere (even though this time he got there by a different route). If it's been permanently destroyed/sealed, then no-one can use the wormhole network as a short-cut to Earth.

[mfa96]

Seriously though, I must ask: When Chiana is explaining to D'Argo and Rygel that John just proposed why does Rygel just bugger off? I'd say it's because he wanted to eat and he also thought Crichton was an idiot for proposing, but seriously though, why does he just leave??

Significant or he was just hungry??


Rygel leaves because he thinks Crichton is an idiot for proposing, plain and simple- and one of the funnier moments in the ep. He doesn't want to look at Crichton making a mistake- in Rygel's eyes anyway. Not much of a romantic, is he? ;)

[soyarma]

I have a lot of thoughts and ideas about wormholes, but a lot of it is tempered by the fact I've read stories with wormholes in them for the last fifteen years. The unrealized realities is a bit of a twist, but is very feasible with what we currently know about quantum physics.

To even think about wormholes we have to set down a few rules (or theory's we will pretend to be true so we can talk about the outcomes based on those theorys).

The first important thing is regarding time and the speed of light. For many years mankind has operated under a misconception about the speed of light. First we had believed that the speed of light was fixed, and second that it was the maximum speed that any particle of matter could achiever. We now have reason to doubt these ideas. We have notable proof that the speed of light varies, and that mater can go faster than the speed of light. This means that the speed of light's affect on our perception of time is not as we thought it would be.

Now you are saying, what the heck does this have to with wormholes. Well, wormholes are a junction in time as much as space. In fact our conception of distance is changing the more we learn about it. It is possible that every possition in the universe is actually in contact with every other possition, or that parts are in contact with certain other parts due to various juxtapositions of matter.

While these things are all pure speculation at this point a lot of it has to do with the orbit of electrons around atoms. Electrons don't really orbit the nucleus of the atom in the format we think they do. It seems they more wink in and out of existance. We know this because portions of the path electrons travel through are portions where the electron has a 0% probability of being in. Some quantum physicists believe that every time this happens a seperate universe is born out of the multiple possibilities that exist. We know that this happens in some events because if you take a single photon (the particle light is made of) and send it through a prisim it refracts. Yet it shouldnt do this, it should go one way or the other. But if it has a 20% probability of refracting as blue, then 20% of it goes and refracts as blue on one vector, while if the other 80% refracts as red then that percentage is red and on a different vector. Yet the photon's physical existance is actually in both places at once.

This partially explains the possibilities of unrealized realities. Basically when exiting a wormhole the percentages of possibility of exiting in other times, places, etc... actually become realities.

Another thing to note is that we now believe that some of the particles that make atoms are not round, but more donut shaped. Although its hard to say since we have also realized that the protons and neutrons in an atom actually are spinning at close to the speed of light. The reason we know this is that when things move faster they have a greater mass and the nucleus of an atom weights a lot more than it should. If you were to alter the speed that the components of an atom move at you could alter the speed at which they travel through space and time.

All of this doesn't even take into account that newest and most amazing thing: Dark Mater. For the longest time we didn't think anything sat between atoms. One thing to consider is that if an atom were the size of a baseball. the closest atom to it sits about 40 feet away. We always assumed this space was empty, but we now have reason to believe that there is mater we cannot see in any way that barely interacts with the mater we know to exist (barely because we have a few signs that it does exist) and that this Dark Matter is WAY more common that the matter we do see and interact with. What this means is that there may be other realities, or a single reality that actually fully overlaps ours and to them we are less than shadows.

I guess I have digressed, but it is all very facinating - heck, we don't even know how trees get water up their trunks, we really are quite primitive.

[jerseygirl]

Jeffie, you haven't seen Unrealized Realities? It's one of my all-time faves! I taped it off the air, if you want to borrow the tape. (If no money changes hands, it's legal, right?)

As far as wormholes, my guess is that the Scarrans, as well as the PK's, haven't figured out how to find them, create them or navigate through the system. My big problem with the whole wormhole thing is how the problem of tissue liquification suddenly vanished. For whatever reason (and we're never told what it is) John is able to navigate through with no problem. But I figured, well, that's just something special about him or his module. But then transport pods are doing it, Moya's doing it and finally the Scarran ship is doing it. Huh??? What happened? Chalk it up to yet-another- FS-inconsistency.

What did John leave his dad? I'm guessing it's schematics or whatever for the hetch drive, which seems to be the common propulsion system. As to where the Erplings would go, that's anybody's guess. I didn't think John had connected where he was to Earth by any route other than wormholes.

[squidgey]

I think it has to do with natural vs created wormholes. It seems that everyone is aware that they exist naturally but in that form they are usually a)unstable and b)useless. The ability to create a wormhole seems to be what everyone wants. to harness the power (obviously wormholes contain a lot of energy) and to be able to go anywhere, anytime in an instant. (wormholes: its everywhere you want to be)
its the created wormholes that turned all the little PK's into jello shots. The wormhole that john used to get to earth was not created, using the data in his head he was able "sniff" out the location of a naturally forming one, a naturally forming, stable one I might add. I think in those types anybody can go thru.
OR my 2nd theory
Its only the PK ships that had their pilots get all gooey. So maybe, its everything but PK ships (or ships that use PK tech)that can pass thru. Something in PK shielding reacts negatively with the energy in a wormhole.

I spend way too much time thinkin about this stuff.
glad i found this place
:D

[Nicola]

As far as wormholes, my guess is that the Scarrans, as well as the PK's, haven't figured out how to find them, create them or navigate through the system. My big problem with the whole wormhole thing is how the problem of tissue liquification suddenly vanished. For whatever reason (and we're never told what it is) John is able to navigate through with no problem. But I figured, well, that's just something special about him or his module. But then transport pods are doing it, Moya's doing it and finally the Scarran ship is doing it. Huh??? What happened? Chalk it up to yet-another- FS-inconsistency.

If you remember in Terra Firma the conversation between John, Laura and DK while they are standing by Farscape One and (I think) Aeryn's Prowler.

DK: "If we're never going to learn anything, why rub our noses in how dumb we are?"
John: "You're not dumb."
Laura: "Neither are you. Taka says you asked for a metallurgic analysis of these ships. You're on the track of something."
John: "It's just a riddle. Why do prowler pilots turn to goo? Get back to me on that. I'm gonna to get a refill of coffee. You guys want some?"

So it wasn't an inconsistency - it was something specific to Prowlers. The PTB were aware of it - and probably had plans to explore the weakness in season five.

[soyarma]

Hey Jersy, just wanted to let you know that its not legal for you to give someone a tape of an episode that you recorded. Its kinda a grey area, but the spirt of the law is against it.

[jerseygirl]

Thanks. Scratch that idea.

[Jeff O'Connor]

Wow... I didn't even know about the legalities till now! :eek:

[jerseygirl]

Bummer, though, huh? Like your NEW new avatar, Jeff.

[Knave of Hearts]

Is it Hetch drive or Hedge drive... I always hear Hedge

A thing about wormhole travel, It in Infinate Possiblities that not all wormholes are unstable (due to the various in rantath flux i believe) I accepted that the wormhole to earth was stable

[blue]

I don't think there is anything illegal about loaning for free. That's what libraries do.

[Jeff O'Connor]

Holy heck... I posted this thread when I had less than 500 posts, and didn't know more than a couple of people here. Hell, I was still using Japanese smilies.

[jerseygirl]

Yeah...um...what were we talking about...way...back...when?

[soyarma]

I had a dispute with a friend about downloading episodes off of kazaa that you could have watched and recorded yourself and wether or not that was legal. He pointed me to the info at the time that basically said you can record anything you want off of TV, but once it leaves your possession then you are trafficing the data.

Also, point of interest. In all the transcripts I've seen and on www.farscape-1.com its written as "Hetch". I don't think that you could get the info for a Hetch drive on a simple tape recorder like that as you couldn't even manage to store the specs for your VCR on one of those.

Also, anyone else notice that when John is on Earth he refers to the Hetch drives as FTL drives? Anywhere else in the series where that happens? FTL being a common term for 'Faster Than Light'. I wonder what the scale on the hetch numbering system is.