Who do you think killed Salis?

[JrMissToughChick]

I know there have been polls and threads about this so it'll probably go un replied to but, Who do YOU think killed him?

I know we'll never know who did kill him it's one of those viewpoint questions.

[Darth Buddha]

I think Chi did it. She was too coy when John asked her if she did it.... and she's never brought it up again.

However, I don't know that I can take her to task for it... were I a prisoner about to experience "death of personality" from a thought police state, I have to admit, I'd take him out too if necessary.

[Scaper_S]

I also think Chiana killed him. She as still in Nebari prisoner mode and Salis represented her doomed future. She saw her opportunity and she took it.

[Jeff O'Connor]

I agree with everyone... especially considering, not that I'd go about basing belief systems and philosophies on a liar like him, but didn't Durka comment on how Rygel was the one that set him off after all the "cleansing"? Really, I think he'd start paving his way toward the Hynerian, which, he did, and it was only once thing went awry with Salis' death did Durka jump off the deep end. I could be remembering wrong though.

[grinner]

Who had the most to gain by Salis being dead? It would have to be Chiana who killed him.

[Nicola]

Zhaan. No question. She can be very pragmatic when she wants to be, and Salis and his practices horrified her. He also threatened both her and her shipmates directly.

Nope. I am convinced it was Zhaan.

[Roland]

Chiana! :kitty:

[Trusting Illusion]

I'd have to agree that it's Chiana. It's what I would do if I was about to be mind clensed. Durka breaking his conditioning just gave her a scape goat.

[rinnicbob]

Durka. He had motive, means, and opportunity. He's also a cold-blooded psychopath.

Chiana may well have had motive, and perhaps opportunity, but the fact he had his throat cut suggests a cold-bloodedness I don't think she's capable of. If you consider her situation in "Home on the Remains", she had the opportunity to kill B'Sogg but let the Budong blood do the job for her.

[JrMissToughChick]

Durka. He had motive, means, and opportunity. He's also a cold-blooded psychopath I actuly think he's the least likely. Why? he would have just addmited it. I always thought Pip did it till I heard someone say Zhaan may have did it and that became an interesting thought to me... (season four spoilers)












Who do you think killed Valla? I always thought it was Dargo... I am so cruel to our crew :whip: bad Miss Chick

[Nicola]

If you remember, the final scene where we see Salis alive he is looking mildly inquiringly towards his executioner. The last thing that Salis would do is look at a free (and very angry) Chiana with a look of mild inquiry. On the other hand he, like so many others, would underestimate Zhaan. "Soft yes, weak no."

Zhaan had motive, method and opportunity. And she was more than capable. Chiana also had motive, method and opportunity. But she would have no more confronted Salis directly than she would voluntarily return to Nebari Prime. If anything Chiana would taken him by surprise - not confront him face to face.

In fact, that is exactly what Chiana tried to do with Crichton ... and Crichton won that one. Physically Chiana was not a match for Salis and she knows it. Zhaan on the other hand...

[Jeff O'Connor]

That's true... I think I'm going to rewatch "Durka Returns" with all these angles... as for the question about Valla, D'Argo... really!? Wow. I'm undecided but... that's a rough jab at everyone's favorite Luxan... I... guess I could see it though...

[Darth Buddha]

Originally posted by Nicola
If you remember, the final scene where we see Salis alive he is looking mildly inquiringly towards his executioner. The last thing that Salis would do is look at a free (and very angry) Chiana with a look of mild inquiry. On the other hand he, like so many others, would underestimate Zhaan. "Soft yes, weak no."

Zhaan had motive, method and opportunity. And she was more than capable. Chiana also had motive, method and opportunity. But she would have no more confronted Salis directly than she would voluntarily return to Nebari Prime. If anything Chiana would taken him by surprise - not confront him face to face.

In fact, that is exactly what Chiana tried to do with Crichton ... and Crichton won that one. Physically Chiana was not a match for Salis and she knows it. Zhaan on the other hand... Actually, the mild inquiry could apply to Durkha, as well.

Damned good observation, Nicola.

[JrMissToughChick]

Originally posted by Darth Buddha
Actually, the mild inquiry could apply to Durkha, as well.

Damned good observation, Nicola. Yeah but being a complete whacko he would have admitted it proudly, "yes I Killed him and I'd do it again"

[Nicola]

Originally posted by Darth Buddha
Actually, the mild inquiry could apply to Durkha, as well.


But Durka would have admitted to killing Salis. He would not have made any bones about it. When Aeryn asked "I take it you murdered Salis?" Durka just turned away without answering.

Durka does like to brag, "Witnessing a legend in action...this must be quite a privilege for you, Officer Sun." and he would have had no trouble admitting he killed Salis. But he didn't admit it cause he didn't do it. And he doesn't know know who did.

[so-much-4-sanity]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Darth Buddha
[B][color=burlywood]I think Chi did it. She was too coy when John asked her if she did it....

Interesting: I've always took this as a sign that she didn't do it but wanted to keep the Moya crew guessing as to who she was.

I like the Zhann angle, this was pretty soon after RIB and she admitted to the struggles she was having supressing her rage after TOBM.

[so-much-4-sanity]

I just watched WWL last night and I was going to ask the Valla question as well. I don't think D'Argo did it, I haven't seen MAA yet, but I've gotten the impression that D'Argo's not quite as hyper-ragey in S4 and I don't think Valla ticked him off so much as Jool had.

However, Noranti and the Creature from the Black Lagoon (sort of) certainly had the motivation and Noranti seemed to know Valla was dead as the rest of our crew discovered it. Yet, if Noranti did it, why didn't she use Winonna??? I guess right now, I'm going with the creature! (Sorry, I can't remember his name).

[Darth Buddha]

Zhaan would have gone psycho for a month, needing to purge herself etc.

Durka might not brag about it... he'd only brag about stuff that intimidated others. Killing Salis would be hardly worth mentioning.

Oww. Better stop trying to think like a psycho mass murderer, at least while I'm at work!

[JrMissToughChick]

Originally posted by so-much-4-sanity
I just watched WWL last night and I was going to ask the Valla question as well. I don't think D'Argo did it, I haven't seen MAA yet, but I've gotten the impression that D'Argo's not quite as hyper-ragey in S4 and I don't think Valla ticked him off so much as Jool had.

However, Noranti and the Creature from the Black Lagoon (sort of) certainly had the motivation and Noranti seemed to know Valla was dead as the rest of our crew discovered it. Yet, if Noranti did it, why didn't she use Winonna??? I guess right now, I'm going with the creature! (Sorry, I can't remember his name). Who had the stone making thing-a-ma-bob? Dargo. How did Vella Die? she got turned into Stone. I rest my case... I'd lose with that evidence though :rollin:

PS the Spellchecker said I spelled Thing-a-ma-bob right :lol

[so-much-4-sanity]

I though D'Argo picked up the stone thingy from the floor, maybe I'm confusing the order...

[JrMissToughChick]

you are he was using it earlier as well

[Nicola]

Originally posted by Darth Buddha
Durka might not brag about it... he'd only brag about stuff that intimidated others. Killing Salis would be hardly worth mentioning.


Killing Salis would have intimidated the crew. Maybe not much, but Durka was using every advantage he had and that would have been one of them. Beside which, it would have kept the crew busy dealing with (and not trusting) Chiana. The crews focus would have been divided.

Zhaan would have gone psycho for a month, needing to purge herself etc.

Durka Returns is just six episodes since Zhaan helped to cut off Pilots arm. Not a long time to regain the equalibrium that took her 17 cycles alone in her cell to attain originally.

Zhaan has no problem taking a pulse rifle down to the Gammak Base and getting involved in a firefight to rescue John, five episodes later. I don't think Zhaan would see eliminating Salis (who horrifies her - watch her interaction with him when she is asking about Nebari Mental Cleaning) as very much different.

She is protecting Moya, Moya's crew and herself from the Nebari, who (quite rightly) scare the cr*p out of her.

When Salis tells Zhaan to turn over Rygel to the Nebari (after he blew up Durka and Crichton), Zhaan tells him she would do nothing of the kind.

Salis: There are many aspects of your character that would benefit from adjustment.
Zhaan moves toward him grimly.
Salis: My point exactly.
Close up on Zhaan with a very resolute, determined face.

Zhaan decided right then that Salis had to go.

[so-much-4-sanity]

I still am not convinced it's D'Argo, I just don't think it was enough of an injustice to push him over the edge, especially since he knew Jool revered her and he wouldn't want to do that to her, would he?

[PKTechDude]

Originally I thought it was Durka that did it but now I'm convinced that it was probably Zhaan. She was more than capable of murder. I can definitely see Zhaan justifying the murder of Salis as her protecting Moya and her family.

Yes. I think Zhaan definitely killed Salis.