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Harveylives
04-07-2004, 06:02 PM
Male Pregnancy Now an Option, Beijing Surgeon Says

Doctor Chen Huanran is looking for a few good men -- to get pregnant.

The Beijing doctor -- one of China's most-prominent sex change surgeons -- says he has developed the technology to impregnate a man, and now he wants to use his technique to help his transsexual patients have children of their own.


If successful, it would be the first time ever that a male human has become pregnant, with the possible exception of the Arnold Schwartzenager movie "Junior."


Chen, who works at the Plastic Surgery Hospital of the Chinese Academy of Medical Sciences, said he has already lined up four men for the procedure and an Internet discussion of his "male mother" project has caused hundreds of men around the country to volunteer for swollen ankles, morning sickness and the many other joys of pregnancy.


"We want to help the transsexuals we operate on to realize their basic right of delivering a baby," Chen said yesterday.


The doctor said he plans to start the program next year, but it is still unclear what government departments he would need to obtain permission from before beginning his historic project.


He began working on the idea of impregnating a man about 10 years ago after many of his sex-change patients expressed a wish to have their own children. Transsexuals will be the first beneficiaries of the technique, he said, but he also wants to help men whose wives can't have kids due to illness or sterility.


"Since delivering children is women's duty and right, male pregnancy not only imposes extra dangers, but also arouses new social problems," he stressed.


While the rules and ethics are unclear, Chen said the technology is ready.


He said the "male mother" will take oral doses of female hormones. Once ready, the patient will then be impregnated by in vitro fertilization, with the embryo implanted into the abdomen cavity just under or into the peritoneum (the surrounding lining).


The pregnancy will take the normal nine months with the delivery done by Caesarean section.


Chen has been recruiting volunteers on the Internet for the project with a message posted at a Website for those that have had or want to have sex changes (www.spscenter.com).


He said all the candidates have a strong desire to have a baby, and are willing to pay the estimated 200,000 yuan (US$24,156) costs of the procedure.


"It is a very serious project. Most probably, I will prefer to choose my patients for the first group," Chen said.


When Chen announced his intention on the Website, he got an earful of responses. About 500 people said they want to be volunteers for the project.


Chen said half of them are normal men, some looking for a novel experience and some want to deliver babies for their wives.


But for the majority of people, Chen's project seems scary.


"Male pregnancy is too ridiculous. It is against human nature," said Zheng Li, a 29-year-old company staff. "If a man wants a child, he can adopt one and leave the human body it is supposed to be."


Even the transsexuals have indifferent attitude toward it.


"Having a baby gives me a great joy and a real feeling of being a woman," said Jin Xing, a 34-year-old dancer undergoing a transsexual operation in 1996. She adopted a boy orphan two years ago and now lives in Shanghai.


"But I won't choose to undergo such a pregnancy process," the dancer said.


(Eastday.com May 29, 2002)

LadyCrais
04-07-2004, 06:23 PM
He said the "male mother" will take oral doses of female hormones. Once ready, the patient will then be impregnated by in vitro fertilization, with the embryo implanted into the abdomen cavity just under or into the peritoneum (the surrounding lining).

It's been at least 10 years since this was done the first time, in the US as I recall. They never tried to take it to term and ended the experiment at around 3 months I think it was. Anyway, this is by no means the first time it will have been tried.

BrowderChick
04-07-2004, 06:28 PM
Well in the natural world the male seahorse gives birth. :D

Mazinger
04-07-2004, 06:47 PM
Originally posted by Harveylives
Chen said half of them are normal men, some looking for a novel experience and some want to deliver babies for their wives.


If i ever EVER say I want to try this, you all have my permission to put me down ;)

PKTechDude
04-07-2004, 07:18 PM
This is certainly...interesting...

Darth Buddha
04-07-2004, 07:38 PM
Imagine the progeny... there is no WAY we are advanced enough to match the subtle nuances of the hormonal dielectic between mother, placenta, and fetus.

I'd take 20 to 1 odds that the children will be severely screwed up, if he is successful.

Scarran Raptor
04-07-2004, 08:01 PM
male pregnancy, call me crazy but if I want another life implanted in me I think I'd prefer a Tok'ra symbiote

Harveylives
04-07-2004, 08:04 PM
Originally posted by Scarran Raptor
male pregnancy, call me crazy but if I want another life implanted in me I think I'd prefer a Tok'ra symbiote

I personally would go as far as a Goa'uld.

DRD2001
04-07-2004, 08:08 PM
Originally posted by Harveylives
I personally would go as far as a Goa'uld. What! No Trill symbiots?

Paul Cousins
04-07-2004, 08:09 PM
Let's not give the creators of Farscape any ideas. Their crazy enough as is.

Harveylives
04-07-2004, 08:13 PM
Originally posted by DRD2001
What! No Trill symbiots?


I have no idea what that is. I'm only up to season 2 on the Stargate box sets.:shrug:

DRD2001
04-07-2004, 08:14 PM
Star Trek Deep Space 9

Harveylives
04-07-2004, 08:17 PM
Originally posted by DRD2001
Star Trek Deep Space 9

Ah, yes. I remember now. Never watched ST Deep Space 9, but they did make an appearance in the ST:TNG.

DRD2001
04-07-2004, 08:23 PM
Well, if you were interested in trying it again, Spike TV will be showing it ad nausium. They just got the rights and they've been doing marathons all day.

TheBladeRoden
04-07-2004, 08:59 PM
"We want to help the transsexuals we operate on to realize their basic right of delivering a baby," Chen said yesterday.

The apex of the progressive movement is here ladies and gentlemen and other!

StephX
04-07-2004, 09:14 PM
the delivery done by Caesarean section.

You'd hope so!!
(and I thought giving birth as a woman was painful)

:eek2:

trubador
04-07-2004, 10:54 PM
:O I'm sorry, but I have absolutely no desire to have a 7 pound 8 ounce anything tryin' to come outta my Mr. Happy! :g2f:

ipimen
04-08-2004, 07:49 AM
"We want to help the transsexuals we operate on to realize their basic right of delivering a baby," Chen said yesterday.

uhh...i thought that was women's basic right :confused:

Darth Buddha
04-08-2004, 08:18 AM
There does come a point where folks have to accept the limitations of what God gave them.... including gender.

I don't think messing around with the production of another life in some risky experiment approaches a Right by any means.

IVF is on one side of the line, this is on the other.

DRD2001
04-08-2004, 09:21 AM
Originally posted by ipimen
uhh...i thought that was women's basic right :confused: According to the Judean People's Front, men can have the right to bear children, although they do not have a womb, which is no one's fault, not even the Romans.

abbadon
04-08-2004, 10:13 AM
Originally posted by Harveylives
Male Pregnancy Now an Option, Beijing Surgeon Says




A possibility maybe....

An option...NUH UH...:sweaty: :faint: :eek:

fermicat
04-08-2004, 10:19 AM
I don't understand how this could work without a uterus. Maybe I'm just not getting it, but what does the placenta attach to and how does it get its blood supply? What supports the baby when it gets large?

Susana
04-08-2004, 11:06 AM
http://www.malepregnancy.com

;)

Shipscat
04-08-2004, 12:12 PM
Fermicat, there have been a few-very few, successful abdominal pregnancies in women. Ectopic pregnancies do happen. Usually they aren't at all viable (like when they're lodged in the fallopian tubes) and they're always dangerous and sometimes the babies are born with deformities, probably because they didn't have the protective wall of the uterus around them, but a thin sac. Hemorrhaging is a very likely possibility if it attaches to the intestines or liver (heck, it's likely when the placenta is attached to the uterus, and the uterus is built for it.) because there are large blood vessels formed through the placenta. (I'm sorry, I know I'm not describing that well.)

In other words, this doctor is nuts.

Shipscat
04-08-2004, 12:40 PM
Got this from a medical site on the web. At any rate, I think it's too high a risk for anyone to take on purpose.


Abdominal Ectopic Pregnancy

An abdominal pregnancy almost always results from an implantation secondary to a tubal rupture or abortion through the fimbriated end of the fallopian tube. In these cases the placental continues to grow following attachment to some abdominal structure, usually the surface of the uterus, broad ligaments, or ovaries. However, it can be any abdominal structure including the liver, spleen, or intestines. Because the invading trophoblastic tissue is not held in check, it can erode major blood vessels at any because they are not cushioned by the myometrium.

Maternal Effects

Þ Ectopic pregnancies account for approximately 10% of all maternal deaths.

Þ They are the fourth leading cause of maternal mortality, but they are the number one cause of maternal mortality in the first trimester of pregnancy.

Þ Hemorrhage is the cause of death in 85 % to 89 % of the cases and occurs more frequently with an interstitial or abdominal ectopic pregnancy.

Þ The greater risk of mortality related to an ectopic pregnancy is associated with an abdominal ectopic growth, which has a 7.7 times greater risk when compared to other types of ectopic pregnancies.





Fetal and Neonatal Effects

Death is almost certain for the fetus in an ectopic pregnancy. From 5 % to 25 % of abdominal ectopic pregnancies will reach viability. However, it is not recommended to continue an abdominal pregnancy if diagnosed early because of the extreme risk of hemorrhage at any time during the pregnancy. The risk of fetal deformity is also high; 20 % to 40 % of the fetuses that live beyond 20 weeks of gestation will have such deformities as facial asymmetry, severe neck webbing, joint deformities, and hypoplastic limbs These are pressure deformities caused by oligohydramnios.

Abdominal Ectopic Pregnancy

For an abdominal pregnancy, hemorrhage is a serious possibility because the placenta can separate from its attachment site at any time.

Abdominal surgery to remove the embryo or fetus is usually done as soon as an abdominal pregnancy is diagnosed. Unless the placenta is attached to abdominal structures that can be removed, such as the ovary or exterior of the uterus, or the blood vessels that supply blood the placenta can be ligated, the placenta is left without being disturbed.

If the placenta is removed, large blood vessels would be opened and there would not be a constricting muscle such as the uterus to apply a sealing pressure. If left intact, the placenta is usually absorbed by the body, but unfortunately it may cause such complications as infection, abscesses, adhesions, intestinal obstruction, paralytic ileus, postpartum preeclampsia, and wound dehiscence. These complications are less threatening than the hemorrhage that could result, if removed.

NebariNookiee
04-08-2004, 12:45 PM
It's dren like this that makes me lose more and more respect for the human race.

Frelling sick!

Vampgrrl
04-08-2004, 01:34 PM
I for one don't go along with this because it's just too risky and adaption is an option. That said you are talking about stuff you don't know anything about to some degree.:mad:

Scarran Raptor
04-08-2004, 02:30 PM
Originally posted by Harveylives
I personally would go as far as a Goa'uld.

I debated a Goa'uld but then I decided if I wanted to share my body with an alien intelligence I'd rather it not be a tapeworm with delusions of godhood, besides, the Tok'ra got Vanessa Angel and Jolene Blalock but a Trill wouldn't be out of the question either