Constellation of Doubt: John/Scorpius pact *SPOILERS*

[La Bomba]

I recently re-watched CoD and this occured to me: Is is possible that John drinking Scorpy's blood is what re-activated Harvey? That may explain why Scorpy was so insistant. What do you think?

[Jeff O'Connor]

Wasn't doing that also some way of giving Scorpius the knowledge he sook? I can't remember the last several episodes; a bit hazy because I watched them first and haven't seen most since, with the exception of "Bad Timing". When that re-aired I HAD to watch it, despite the "bad timing" on the television with my gettin' up for work every Monday. About the Harvey reactivation, that could be another one too, yeah...

[La Bomba]

I don't follow you. I'm not sure we're talking about the same thing.
At the end of the episode, John agrees to give Scorpy all his wormhole knowledge if Scorpy helps John save Aeryn. To seal the pact, Scorpy cuts John's thumb and sucks on it. Then he cuts his own finger, and refuses to seal the pact until John tastes his blood.
My question is: Is it Scorpy's blood in John's mouth what re-activates Harvey?

[Jeff O'Connor]

Oh, wait... I know what you're talking about now. In that case... it might be. I have to rewatch COD and think more on it.

[Doc Holiday]

That is a good theory.

[Nicola]

I did consider that ... I am still considering it. Although I think it might just be part of the reactivation process 'cause Harvey didn't pop up again, until after John 'betrayed' Scorpius.

[rinnicbob]

I often thought that maybe this was the case, that Scorpius' blood somehow
helped reactivate Harvey. Then, in WSS: La Bomba, what Scorpy says to John about why the neural clone had returned led me more to believe that it was the device the Scorpy used to "remove" the neural clone that was more the cause of Harvey's resurrection.

At any rate, the ep' where John & Scorpy do the Scarren blood oath isn't A Constellation of Doubt, it's Prayer.

[Cyber-Raga]

That's funny - I watched Prayer today, but frankly I did not think about your theory. But it makes sense...could be possible

[La Bomba]

At any rate, the ep' where John & Scorpy do the Scarren blood oath isn't A Constellation of Doubt, it's Prayer.

Whoops! My mistake. I watched about 6 episodes in a row one day, and I got a little confused. Thanks for the info!

[mjwillia]

I don't think the blood had anything to do with the clone's reappearance.

This is why:
1. The clone disappeared after Scorpy “supposedly” removed it. But, we find out later that Scorpy only “upgraded” the clone’s assignment protocol to be “don’t let John know you are in his head unless you need to save my life.” The clone even told John (from the casket – very cool) that he had been upgraded to this new task and had been listening all along…

2. If indeed the clone had been disabled and then re-enabled via the blood then, the clone would not have know about the “deal” between Scorpy and John to exchange wormhole knowledge for help finding Aeryn because John drank the blood after the deal was discussed.

Personally, I never like the whole scene where John let’s Scorpy disable the clone.

This is why:
1. John distrusts and hates Scorpy. Why would he let Scorpy jab something into his head again? I believe John wanted the clone gone bad enough to let about anyone but Scorpy do whatever it took to disable the clone. But, not Scorpy.
2. John’s a scientist. He knows the clone in his head is no longer “hardware” because he had the “hardware removed” on the frozen planet. He knows the clone is more of a “persistent memory clone” a figment of his imagination sort of. That’s why Stark was able to tell John he could “beat up” the imaginary clone. Being a scientist why would John believe that a surgical instrument like that “jabber-thingy” that Scorpy used could/would fix an imaginary clone?
3. I never liked the idea that the imaginary clone could be "up-graded" since it was a left over from the now removed real chip. How can you "up-grade" a memory?

[WezH]

3. I never liked the idea that the imaginary clone could be "up-graded" since it was a left over from the now removed real chip. How can you "up-grade" a memory?

Sorry but have to say this: Welcome to the Uncharted Territories, anything can happend and will happen ;)

[mjwillia]

You see, I love Harvey and I think he is a great character on the show.

I think the "imaginary clone/Harvey" has developed its own little world in John's head and wants to live there. I think this because of how Harvey tried to live when the Ancient romoved him from Talyn-John's head.

I would bet that when Moya-John's imaginary clone/Harvey heard that John was planning on having Scorpy remove him - he (the clone) played opposum. Remember, Harvey is Scorpy's personality seed. Harvey would know that Scorpy would never remove him.

I'm not sure what Scorpy actually stuck into John's head. Maybe, we will find out in the Mini. Maybe it was another "hardware chip" that Harvey can control. I hope we find out!

[La Bomba]

I hope that Harvey has a few good moments in the mini, too! It wouldn't be the same without him!

[mjwillia]

Me too!

[Hope]

I don't think the blood had anything to do with the clone's reappearance.

This is why:
1. The clone disappeared after Scorpy “supposedly” removed it. But, we find out later that Scorpy only “upgraded” the clone’s assignment protocol to be “don’t let John know you are in his head unless you need to save my life.” The clone even told John (from the casket – very cool) that he had been upgraded to this new task and had been listening all along…

2. If indeed the clone had been disabled and then re-enabled via the blood then, the clone would not have know about the “deal” between Scorpy and John to exchange wormhole knowledge for help finding Aeryn because John drank the blood after the deal was discussed.

Personally, I never like the whole scene where John let’s Scorpy disable the clone.

This is why:
1. John distrusts and hates Scorpy. Why would he let Scorpy jab something into his head again? I believe John wanted the clone gone bad enough to let about anyone but Scorpy do whatever it took to disable the clone. But, not Scorpy.
2. John’s a scientist. He knows the clone in his head is no longer “hardware” because he had the “hardware removed” on the frozen planet. He knows the clone is more of a “persistent memory clone” a figment of his imagination sort of. That’s why Stark was able to tell John he could “beat up” the imaginary clone. Being a scientist why would John believe that a surgical instrument like that “jabber-thingy” that Scorpy used could/would fix an imaginary clone?
3. I never liked the idea that the imaginary clone could be "up-graded" since it was a left over from the now removed real chip. How can you "up-grade" a memory?




Concerning why John would let Scorpy jab him in the back of the neck, I don't think he did let him. I have watched this scene many times (okay..in slow mo) and it looks like John makes a move to grab the gun from Sputnik. To me this means he really didn't want Scorpy removing Harvey or Harvey kinda took over for a microt to stop his own murder. I kinda lean toward John wanting to keep Harvey. Okay...most of the time I do anyway. It just looks like Harvey is going to sit there and accept his fate so why make John lunge for the gun?
But...then you have the end of WSS: Fetal Attraction were Harvey makes his reappearance. John seems very freaked out by him. I guess it could be that Harvey just told him that Scorpy has been listening in on his brain. My first take on that scene was that John was upset because Harve was back, but it might not be that. Maybe he was just freaked by the upgrade stuff.

Well...enough of my ramblings. :)