Die Me, Dichotomy

[chasa]

Whew! Loooooooved Season Two! And what a rush to the (heartbreaking) ending, with the Liars, Guns and Money three-parter and then this finale.

But I realized after watching this ep that I was left with a question. John gets the initial examination of his neural chip by the Diagnosian, who says there's nothing he can do...that he can't get it out without killing him. Then we see John and Aeryn in the cold storage area where Grunchlk is talking about having found a biological match. I'm not entirely sure what the match is supposed to be for -- did I miss something? I scanned a transcript just to see if I missed dialogue, but I don't think so.

I initially thought they might be looking for a match to harvest some "replacement" brain tissue from to use if there was damage during surgery...but that didn't make much sense because John's trying to reclaim his *own* brain and probably wouldn't be so calm about the prospect of patching it with someone else's. The only thing later on that Grunchlk mentions is that because there's no template of John's brain in the database, he'll have to help during surgery by identifying what parts of his brain do what. So, maybe *that's* why they were looking for the biological match -- not for parts, but to see if they had a neural map of a similar brain already on file? I guess that's the theory I'm going with, but it could be completely off.

It wasn't a detail that took me out of the episode while watching (I'm one of those emotional watchers who only thinks about the mechanics later, if at all ;))...now I'm just sorta wondering.

[Jeff O'Connor]

I've only gotten to see this stellar epic of an episode once so far, sadly, so I can't really answer much; what you've said clicks, I can't think of anything else. I'm sure someone else will... I'm totally with you on the "emotional watching" part though! ;)

[Chi27]

I don't think that was ever made clear. But I think maybe the match was needed in case removal of the chip damaged him and they needed to transplant tissue. Then what we see when the diagnosan starts snipping away that he's asking John which parts of his memories he wants to keep. Notice how he totally chooses to discard Earth politics, but holds on to his memories of Aeryn. No surprise there. :D God, how I loved DMD/SOD. :D

[chasa]

The S3/S4 DVDs I bought aren't here yet (soooooon!), but if Netflix doesn't fail me I should have the first S3 disk tomorrow. I won't be in good shape if I have to wait! I nearly cried when the first season ended on a cliffhanger...that was a few weekends ago and I was going to have to wait until my next disk arrived on Monday to see what happened. I mean, two whole days! Torture! *hee* (joking, of course ;))

[Jeff O'Connor]

The S3/S4 DVDs I bought aren't here yet (soooooon!), but if Netflix doesn't fail me I should have the first S3 disk tomorrow. I won't be in good shape if I have to wait! I nearly cried when the first season ended on a cliffhanger...that was a few weekends ago and I was going to have to wait until my next disk arrived on Monday to see what happened. I mean, two whole days! Torture! *hee* (joking, of course ;))

Hey, no worries. When it's Farscape, two whole days can be torture for sure. I can't imagine, personally, how the Scapers who watched the whole series while it was on the air could've handled waiting through cliffhangars for months at a time... oh wait, yes I can... the Season Four Finale... :(

[Gelfling]

(I'm one of those emotional watchers who only thinks about the mechanics later, if at all ;))

That is so me. I tend to over look a lot of stuff because I get so engrossed in the actors emotions and how I respond. Die me dichotomy is probably my favorite episode, if I had to pick one. I love the end of Liars from where they rescue John to where he asks Dargo to kill him, through Season of Death. They do such an awesome job of heavy on going emotion.

As far a John and the Interion, I think grunschlick said that the doctor couldn't cure him. We already saw that he lied about what the doctor had said previously, and since he was sort of working for Scorpius I don't know if he was translating what the doctor said acuratly or not. But when we see John and Aeryn in the freezer it was after the clone had taken over John and hurt Aeryn and Jothee so I think they might have decieded that the risk was becoming more acceptable to chance the surgery.

[TalynLives]

"There's nothing we can do" *GASP* SHOCK. "Right let's get started."

That about summed it up :) It was a fantastic episode though, so I'll forgive that little blip :D

[chasa]

"There's nothing we can do" *GASP* SHOCK. "Right let's get started."

Yeah :lol: But it's all good...loved the ep anyhoo! Ben did a fabulous job with the whole dichotomy thing, and damn, props to the makeup people because I did a big *blink* at him in Scorpius form.

[Dangermousie]

I think a problem also was that he needed brain fluid (?) to replace his, and until the Interons, there weren't any available.

Plus, after his killing Aeryn, I don't think he cared much if Doc could help or would just kill him in the process. And the others realized that any risk was worth it, since it was full blown Scorpius-control if he didn't risk it.

But, yeah...plot holes...what plot holes? :D In fact, I didn't even think about this till now.

[TalynLives]

Farscape is littered with plotholes but I don't care, because it's all so good!! and it's about the characters and their relationships after all. Would be awful if it got like Star Trek where the storywriters are severely limited in what they can do due to nitpicking fans.

[chasa]

I come from the Jossverse fandom where folks are prone to heavy analysis as well. Actually, in the Jossverse, everything is *foreshadowing*...even if the writers are forced to slap an ep together in a couple of days or openly admit to constraints beyond their control that shaped plotlines, somebody will try to claim it was all planned out and foreshadowed two seasons beforehand :D You gotta love it.

Anyway, I really did love this episode. Had to watch it again before going to bed. Now I'm dying to know what the heck Crais was talking about with Talyn re the info on the chip that could have made Aeryn the "happiest soul among us." I want to know how poor John with his brain flappin' in the breeze is going to get his language abilities back and if he lost any memories and....well, you get it. As it turns out, I got a very dangerous delivery today, containing most of the S3 DVD I ordered. I wasn't expecting that yet, and it's dangerous because I'm going out of town tomorrow and really need to be productive tonight and *not* sit around watching DVDs. But, uh, there's always tomorrow morning for packing...

[chasa]

Huh, I got a server error when I did that last post, and although it's showing up for me when you're in thread itself, it doesn't show on the new posts list or when you look at the thread from the outside.

[Twich]

Just as an interesting sidenote on that ep, there was some difficulty in writing it. DK had some writer's block, etc....and he just couldn't get things to fit. So he decided to FLIP the characters. And then he was thrilled with the outcome.

You see, in the original that DK was writing, CRICHTON was supposed to die at the end and Aeryn was supposed to have 'accidentally' killed him. The scene just didn't work until he flipped the characters and then it was more tragic and worked better. ;)

[Jeff O'Connor]

Just as an interesting sidenote on that ep, there was some difficulty in writing it. DK had some writer's block, etc....and he just couldn't get things to fit. So he decided to FLIP the characters. And then he was thrilled with the outcome.

You see, in the original that DK was writing, CRICHTON was supposed to die at the end and Aeryn was supposed to have 'accidentally' killed him. The scene just didn't work until he flipped the characters and then it was more tragic and worked better. ;)

Wow, that's some really cool information! Thanks, Twich!
:D

[chasa]

Oooh, indeed! Thanks for that sidenote, Twich :) I always find that kind of stuff interesting.

[Leviathan]

I just made it to this episode tonight. Wow this is some great television! I can't even put my feelings into words just yet. I am just utterly blown away. It's 2am now.. how the heck am I going to sleep tonight??

Don't have 3.1 yet, but will get it tomorrow.

I am so badly hooked on Farscape now. There's no turning back, and I wouldn't want to.

[Gelfling]

Welcome to the Madness!

[Twich]

:hug:

We've all been there. Consider us your support group! :D Welcome to the boards!

[chasa]

I am so badly hooked on Farscape now. There's no turning back, and I wouldn't want to.

I hear ya. I got my S3 (and S4) sets and in two sittings have chewed through the first 13 S3 episodes. I'm not sure that I should be admitting that, but there you have it.

And to answer my own original question (about the "we found a biological match" scene with Grunchlk) in a non-spoilery way, they *do* have a couple of lines in Season of Death that deal with it. They must have realized that they didn't really explain everything in DMD.

[Nicola]

Welcome to Crack TV :joy:

[UTChick]

Now I'm dying to know what the heck Crais was talking about with Talyn re the info on the chip that could have made Aeryn the "happiest soul among us." I want to know how poor John with his brain flappin' in the breeze is going to get his language abilities back and if he lost any memories and....well, you get it. ...


I know, I know (as she jumps up & down!!), but I'm not telling!!! :elol: :elol: Hope you had a good trip despite being up all night watching our favorite show!! :D

[chasa]

*hee* UTChick, I'm so cracked out that since I posted about DMD not so long ago, I'm already at the end of S3 :D And last night I found out that my final S3 disk is defective and unwatchable, so I am stuck with two episodes to go and ready to lose my frelling mind. A replacement is being shipped and I've got that disk at the top of my Netflix queue, but I can't handle waiting for even a few days...I've called Blockbusters and am hitting up people I don't even know. It's sad. I'm sad. I need that DVD. I may also need professional help.

So, yeah, I'm having a good trip...and one might use the word "trip" in a fairly literal sense :lol:

[blueaeryn]

SPOILER:





The part with Crais and the data chip is alluding to what is revealed in "Thanks for Sharing." He found the vid with Aeryn's mom and he was going to show it to her. But, as you know, it was all a ruse for Crais. He probably knew even then that the retrieval squad was on his tail and he was going to use the vid chip to talk Aeryn into helping him. Which, in turn, he finally did when they met back up in TFS.

What I want to know is why he couldn't find any info on Aeryn's father. That is the question I want answered.

[ralfschumacher]

Just finished watching the Season two DVD's and I must say that I was very impressed with this season finale. I have seen none of season 3, so I don't know what happens next. But as I have seen all of season 4 I know who will still be in it and who won't. I'm hoping Amazon will lower the season 3 box set as well. Man, I'm so addicted to Farscape. I will go back on DVD's and watch all the extras, especially the commentaries.

[Prime Placavoid]

I know how you feel I had to wait 3 weeks after watching S2s end before the next batch of DVDs arrived.

Must have been hell for those people who followed the first runs on TV.

[Chi27]

SPOILER:





The part with Crais and the data chip is alluding to what is revealed in "Thanks for Sharing." He found the vid with Aeryn's mom and he was going to show it to her. But, as you know, it was all a ruse for Crais. He probably knew even then that the retrieval squad was on his tail and he was going to use the vid chip to talk Aeryn into helping him. Which, in turn, he finally did when they met back up in TFS.

What I want to know is why he couldn't find any info on Aeryn's father. That is the question I want answered.
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Now, that's a mystery. Somebody must've deleted his records out of the databanks, but why? Xhallax claims she killed Talyn and maybe she thought she succeeded, but did she?