Ages question

[Athlantis]

Hey there! alright, me asking questions again, I know, I know (Luckily for me, I very far to be shot!) Anyway,
What is Aeryn's age??? (I could have asked this in any of the others seasons, but what the hell) cause in the locket I can't remember if Zhaan said she had life 160 or if she had 160, anyway. How old is she?

And for the matter, how old is Chiana?, cause in taking the stone she told John, and I think Aeryn as well, they were old, so I don't get it.

I know Dargo is like 30 cycles, Rygel ... well, more that 150 cycles or was it 50 cycles? frell. And how old is John??mmm, let me start the question again

How old are the members aboard Moya??? does anybody has any frelling idea? cause I'm still trying to figure it out and so far no no luck with Aeryn or John's
Thanks ;)

[Clarsax]

I'm not sure that Aeryn's or Chiana's exact age was ever mentioned. I believe Claudia Black is in her late twenties-early thirties so I'd imagine Aeryn is also somewhere in that range, although it's difficult to say because Sabaceans have longer lifespans than humans. But I'd say she's in her species' equivalent of about 30. With Chiana, in Taking the Stone, they also mentioned that no one ever got to be over 22 years old, unless they didn't jump in which case they became social outcasts. This would mean that Chiana would have to be under 22 or else they never would have accepted her on that planet. As for John, without giving away spoilers, I will make a guess at him being at least 35 and maybe 38 or 39 but probably not much older than that.

[TalynLives]

Chiana seemed about 16/17 when she first joined, she was very childish. I'd say Aeryn is mid 20s. And Crichton is 30 in season 2 afaik. (In season 4 you find out he was 15 in 1985). Zhaan is well over 70.

[Clarsax]

Chiana seemed about 16/17 when she first joined, she was very childish. I'd say Aeryn is mid 20s. And Crichton is 30 in season 2 afaik. (In season 4 you find out he was 15 in 1985). Zhaan is well over 70.


No kidding! If I remember right, Zhaan is 800 and some years old.

[so-much-4-sanity]

Chiana seemed about 16/17 when she first joined, she was very childish. I'd say Aeryn is mid 20s. And Crichton is 30 in season 2 afaik. (In season 4 you find out he was 15 in 1985). Zhaan is well over 70.


In Season 4, it's 1986 and he's 16, which makes him 33 in Season 4, making him 31 in Season 2. Chiana is supposed to be teenage-ish, I always thought more like early twenties. Zhann I believe is around 900+ cycles old, Rygel is 300 cycles old.

Aeryn: She is 160 cycles when she returns to Moya in the Locket and I think she's been gone for 55 cycles - making her 105 cycles old before leaving Moya! I do not remember the ep well enough know to know if my math's correct, anyone out there that can help me?

[JrMissToughChick]

Chiana is... has to be older than her 20's because if she was spreading the contagion 10 or 11 years ago she wouldn't have even been a teen yet.

[Athlantis]

Aeryn: She is 160 cycles when she returns to Moya in the Locket and I think she's been gone for 55 cycles - making her 105 cycles old before leaving Moya! I do not remember the ep well enough know to know if my math's correct, anyone out there that can help me?

At first I thoguth the same, but then I realized Aeryn said the mist opened every four arns I think, and John said she was 'there' for a day, there for she the math doesn't work because in that case she would have her age plus 6*55, so that's why I found that age tricky. Besides, at some point John told Aeryn not to tell him old man cause she was like 100 years older that him, of course that doesn't mean it was exactly 100 years, but anyway, in that case it would mean that (if you rest the timehe spent there and only consider Aeryn's age the moment she met John after she had aged) Crichton would have to be like 60 years for that coment to make sense, so just don't get it!

Anyway, Thank you guys!!! I'm almost done with the aging, except for Aeryn of course

[Clarsax]

Chiana is... has to be older than her 20's because if she was spreading the contagion 10 or 11 years ago she wouldn't have even been a teen yet.


The only problem with that is that in Taking the Stone, the natives wouldn't accept John or Aeryn because they were old, but they accepted Chiana right away. That means she had to have been within thier age group, which was 22 and younger, or else they would have rejected her too. Maybe she was spreading the contagion later than ten years ago? I don't remember where that part was mentioned, but it does seem like there's a slip up somewhere in here. Or who knows? Maybe Nebari grow up faster than humans and start thier teen years way earlier.

[JrMissToughChick]

Or, the net is deactivated by the pitch of the takers voice? Likely?

[blueaeryn]

If you watch Thanks for Sharing, you will see Aeryn's mom coming to Aeryn as a small child. She looked to be about six or seven. Then in The Choice the fake Talyn tells Xhalex they made a pact 20 cycles ago. I figured that was around the same time Xhalex visited Aeryn. So I assume Aeryn is about 26 or 27 in season four. That would have made her 22 or 23 when season one began. Which would have kind of fit Aeryn's attitude. She was young and brash and thought she knew it all.

BA

[Jeff O'Connor]

If you watch Thanks for Sharing, you will see Aeryn's mom coming to Aeryn as a small child. She looked to be about six or seven. Then in The Choice the fake Talyn tells Xhalex they made a pact 20 cycles ago. I figured that was around the same time Xhalex visited Aeryn. So I assume Aeryn is about 26 or 27 in season four. That would have made her 22 or 23 when season one began. Which would have kind of fit Aeryn's attitude. She was young and brash and thought she knew it all.

BA

That all makes perfect sense, assuming that the age she appears to be in TFS fits her image. It probably does though.

[Athlantis]

If you watch Thanks for Sharing, you will see Aeryn's mom coming to Aeryn as a small child. She looked to be about six or seven. Then in The Choice the fake Talyn tells Xhalex they made a pact 20 cycles ago. I figured that was around the same time Xhalex visited Aeryn. So I assume Aeryn is about 26 or 27 in season four. That would have made her 22 or 23 when season one began. Which would have kind of fit Aeryn's attitude. She was young and brash and thought she knew it all.

BA

I never realized that! wow, thank you!!! that's makes perfect sense (asuming what Jeff already asumed)

[squidgey]

I always thought that aeryn was closer to john's age. She refers to chiana as being a child in many episodes. (in taking the stone & in suns & lovers or the after, cant remember which now)
Also, in premiere, d'argo says he's 30 cycles old which would make him the same age or younger then john. but in scratch & sniff at the end when they are arguing he tells john that he is older them then him(john) and that he(john) should respect his elders.

oh, btw. hi everybody!

[soyarma]

Mebbe D'Argo and John had a discussion once and they realized D'Argo is like 3 months older, lol. That would fit as something D'Argo would say in the heat of the moment to get his way.

So in season 4 Ages we have:

D'Argo: 34 (maybe 35 depending on how much time passed between S3 and S4)

John: 33 (based on S4 being in 2003 and him being 16 in 1986 - However, he may be 34 as well at this point as Challenger Exploded on Jan 28 of 1986 and if we take the EPs to be roughly chronological they were on earth in the fall of 2003 and EP 422 probably took place in Novemberish timeframe, so he most likely would have had a birthday by then).

Chiana: 20 - 24 (based on her being under 22 in S2 - anyone have any better numbers?)

Aeryn: 30ish or 100ish (I am actually thuroughy confused. Gonna watch locket later tonight to see if I can work out the math - Its possible that they just used those numbers to shock us with her age before the commercial break. I remember wondering how she could be close to death on her first visit up and then go back down and live another stretch with John before arriving at the same condition - near death - as she did at the first return to Moya. It could just be a one episode abberation).

Jool: ?? According to farscape.com she was frozen for 15 years, and assuming that she was college age when she was abducted (though in the beginning of season 4 she mentioned that she was kinda on the run for stealing things from archeological digs which means she could have been post collegish - maybe late 20s - early 30s unfrozen, but maybe as old as 45 - 50 including her frozen time.

Sikozu: Absolutely no idea. Definately on the younger side of things

Pilot: Again I don't know... Older than 163 as that is how long Rygel was on Moya and it is mentioned that the only one on Moya longer than Rygel is Pilot (obviously). I remember an EP where pilot talks about how he snuck on Moya to become her Pilot somehow. He mentioned being young at the time so that puts Pilot maybe in his 180 - 190s?

Moya: Depending on the time a Leviathan is raised before getting a pilot she must be in her 170s maybe. Are there any references that give us an idea if she did other things before she became a Prison ship? That may add years between Pilot getting on her and Rygel becoming interred there.

Scorpy: Based on rough timeframes from when he shared his past with John I'd say he's in his 50s give or take a bit.

Crais: Any clues?

Zhaan: I do recall mention of her being over 800 years old. Anyone remember anything more specific than that?

Rygel: I recall him once mentioning that he ruled for over 150 years and was interred on Moya for 163. Adding in some age at time of becoming dominar he must be closing in on 400. Above there is mention of him being 300, did he say that at one point?

Stark: No clue, lol

Did I miss anyone?

[Deadman]

Don't forget gang that "cycles" aren't exactly the same as years.

[soyarma]

ahhh... don't say that lol... its confusing enough as it is.

[TalynLives]

How long is a cycle? I got the impression it was like 9 months or something.

[soyarma]

Hmm... if they are only nine months that would make John significantly older than D'Argo. If that is the case at the end of his 4th year on Moya John has actually been there for 5.3 cycles.

[Knave of Hearts]

A couple of Age things....

In farscape Undressed they make specific reference to the fact that Chiana is "Underage" so I figure she was around 16 when joining the crew

I don't remember where it was said that it was 10 years between her spreading the nebari plague and her arrival on Moya so if someone can point that reference that would be cool...

I figured she was 13 cycles or so when that happened

2) John Age's

Kansas takes place in october 1985 and JOhn is a High School Senior with his drivers Liscense And he says he was 16 when he lost his virginity to Karen Shaw but i think he would have been 17 at that time ( guys always lie about how long they were a virgin so subtracting a year would not be implausible)

16 born in 1969
17 born in 1968

John tells a story about camping with his father when he was 5 and Dad telling about the fact there right then someone walking on the moon

Apollo 11 landed on the moon on July 20 1969, Apollo 17 was the last manned moon mission in 1972

Assuming that we make it as late as possible

Age 5 in 1972
born in 1967 making John 18 in 1985 and 36 in 2003

Age 5 in 1969
born in 1964 making him 39 in 2003 (Ben Browder's actual age I believe)

This little Descrepency always bothered me

[soyarma]

That's an unfortunate discrepancy... They should have had us around to make sure they didnt make mistakes between episodes, lol.

[Jeff O'Connor]

I seriously thought I was the only one who noticed that discrepency. Way to go. :aok:

[soyarma]

indeed it would. I'll watch that tonight to see if I can spot and verify the reference

[soyarma]

I went through the numbers. John was 4 when the men landed on the moon in Dec of 72 which would make him 17 in october of 85.

That would make John 32 or 33 in the Locket episode. The ratio was 165 cycles on the planet for each day on moya. Aeryn was there for 165 years before she came up and then went back down. John joined her and lived 55 years on the planet.

At the end of their time john says that Aeryn was over 200 cycles older than him. At that time he was 87. If we add the 220 years Aeryn had been on the planet we get and get the difference we arrive at Aeryn being 67 years old before she came down to the planet. That would be her minimum age, she could be older.

[Athlantis]

I went through the numbers. John was 4 when the men landed on the moon in Dec of 72 which would make him 17 in october of 85.

That would make John 32 or 33 in the Locket episode. The ratio was 165 cycles on the planet for each day on moya. Aeryn was there for 165 years before she came up and then went back down. John joined her and lived 55 years on the planet.

At the end of their time john says that Aeryn was over 200 cycles older than him. At that time he was 87. If we add the 220 years Aeryn had been on the planet we get and get the difference we arrive at Aeryn being 67 years old before she came down to the planet. That would be her minimum age, she could be older.

No way! Aeryn is that old??? Are you sure John told her she was 200 years old than him and not 100??? I'm going to check it out... again!
Thanks for the tip btw!!!

[soyarma]

positive, he said 200 cycles.

[Knave of Hearts]

While Aeryn is on her own in the LOcket planet she ages 165 cycles then another 55 with Chricton makes atotalof 220 plus her orginal age of c. 30 makes her about 250 cycles at the time of her death

[soyarma]

but at that point John was 87. And he said "you are more than 200 cycles older than me." 250 is not 200 more than 87. Needs to be at least 67 for her to clear the 200 mark.

Interestingly enough in The Choice, fake talyn (her father) says that the night Aeryn's mom came to visit Aeryn was only 20 years ago. Methinks it may just be an unexplainable whoops.

[Knave of Hearts]

I didnt take the number 200 literally when something happens 175 - 180 years ago it is not unusally to round it up to 200

[TINemo]

Aeryn's age has been the matter of much discussion--especially since the weird time mixup in locket. Someone figured out she was 50-70 before that.However, her character is played to be late twenty-30ish. Claudia is 30, edging on to 31 soon, so she was 25 or so when they started filming.

John is indeed supposed to be mid thirtys which means he must have whipped thru to a PhD and had help bumping the system to be an astronaut(daddy probably helped.) Ben is 41, 42 in Dec, so he is playing about 5 years younger.

Zhaan states in Premiere that she is over 800 cycles, Noranti is almost 400. and Rygel is as stated above.

Chianna when she arrives looks and sounds like late teens, but if she was spreading the plague that long, perhaps nebari reach sexual maturity earlier.Remember when she is surprised that nephew Bobby has not had sex yet.

D'argomlost his virginity at 9 and has a teen age or older son(Jothee) though he is 30 cycles in S 1.

Wouldn't it be interesting if such wide variations were possible. The average age of folks at the WWII memorial today is near 80--and they look it.Might be nice to have a few hundred cycles--or maybe not?

[Athlantis]

I didnt take the number 200 literally when something happens 175 - 180 years ago it is not unusally to round it up to 200

Well when I thought John said 100 cicles I asumed the same,cause well it's really hard for me to picture her that old if she acts too young sometimes

Zhaan states in Premiere that she is over 800 cycles, Noranti is almost 400. and Rygel is as stated above.


D'argomlost his virginity at 9 and has a teen age or older son(Jothee) though he is 30 cycles in S 1.

Noranty is almost 400?? Must pretty cool been a delvian then cause Zhaan sure doesn't look 800 at all!

Dargo lost his virginity at 9???? when the frell Luxans get into puberty then??? HOw long do Luxans live anyway? cause I would asume itf they start to young their puberty they may not live long

[TINemo]

Actually two thoughts=

Aeryn says she startd flying prowlers at sixteen, and she was about to try to be advanced to commando status. when she became irreversibly contaminated by John's presence. Surely you wouldn't think it would take 30 to 40 cycles to advance in rank(that assuming if she was 50-70 before locket). Ten years should be sufficient, making her 26????

But OTOH, in the Princess trilogy, the princess looks to be twenty-something and her mother the Empress appropriately 50ish. So if the married cople is to be in statue form for 80 cycles learning to rule, the Empress would expect to live to be 130 or more.

Ah, that's the problem when writing science fiction, you inadvertently paint yourself into corners,and the fans will catch you every time.

[soyarma]

Well, Sabaceans live much longer than humans. They have stated that on numerous occasions. On the locket for instance John starts out at 31 or 32 and lives 55 years and is then 87 - an old man. Aeryn, however, lived 220 cycles on that planet, putting her (if you think she is mid twenties normally) at 245 cycles old when she dies.

Thus you really cant put how old somoene 'looks' into it at all as our perception is skewed. As far as the fact that Aeryn behaves like someone in their twenties - consider how you would behave if you knew you were going to live 3 times as long as you would now. I think that a lot of people would take their younger years less seriously and kick back more. While Aeryn doesn't seem like the type to 'kick back' I think that the peacekeeper ban on significant interpersonal relationships would have an effect on the maturity level. Most of use didn't really mature until we had our hearts broken at least once in a significant relationship - which she didn't have until shortly before she met John (based on her involvement with Crais's experiments on Moya - probably 3 or 4 years before premiere). With no experience, and no one to turn to for advice, or even to witness how they would handle the end of a relationship of importance she would have serious issues in dealing with the feelings she would feel.

Also, the fact that she betrays her lover just to get back in a Prowler shows that maybe there are setbacks along the way in PK training that can be easy to fall into, but hard to get out, thus making the cost of the betrayal worth it.

Now I know a lot of these things really weren't 'masterminded' by the writers so to speak and that we are often infering conclusions from things that really may have held little or no significance at the time it was written, but it is all the data we have, and since it has aired on the show we must take it as god's truth.