What do you see in this series?

[alexjag33]

Guys/Gals:

I hate to break it to you, but I watched Farscape for the first time and well, it looked like the "Muppet Show" :eek: , especially with that little frog guy.

Not trying to be difficult, but what could you all possibly be attracted to in this show? There didn't seem to be anything in it that would keep me coming back for more.

[Jeff O'Connor]

Hm... well I'm not gonna be an ass because I respect peoples' opinions, so don't worry about me going all fanboyish on you. ;) I'll tell you what I see in this show, though, quite frankly.

Great character development. Rygel and Pilot may be from the Jim Henson Company but even they have character development; I see it, at any rate. Aside from some Muppet influences, the cast and story are anything but childlike, and there are many subtle references to the concept of hope. The beauty of this show is something to either be appreciated or not to be appreciated, of course, as with any art form. But I see it as a wonderful mix of science fiction creativity/originality and its lines (writing) is shear elegeance for me. It's actually gotten me through difficult times in my life, too. I could go on forever about that but I won't.

Can I ask what you saw of it? Did you watch the whole show? Did you see a random episode, because if so, it's very hard to keep up with all the story arcs if you jump in somewhere. Did you see the first episode? Because the beginning is really hardly a taste of what is to come.

[squidgey]

you need to watch more...
really, farscape is one of those shows that if u catch it in the middle only once, you wil be completely confused.
at least thats how it was for me. the first episode i saw was 'through the looking glass.' man, that was one frelled up ep! everyone kept telling me what a great show it was but all i had to go on was the ep and it was just way too wierd for me. I finally convinced myself to watch another ep, (it was season 3 sometime) I've been hooked ever since.
give it another chance

[Nicola]

Guys/Gals:

I hate to break it to you, but I watched Farscape for the first time and well, it looked like the "Muppet Show" :eek: , especially with that little frog guy.

Not trying to be difficult, but what could you all possibly be attracted to in this show? There didn't seem to be anything in it that would keep me coming back for more.

A lot of people can't seem to get beyond the "Muppet Show" idea. They don't see the complexity of characters or the character development. And not just in the puppets. (Although I have to say that Rygel is an unbelievably annoying, yet endearing character and Pilot will break your heart - if you give them a chance.)

But there are (depending on which show you watched) four or more human actors on the show that have outstanding character arcs. I won't spoil you since you haven't seen much of the show but each one of the characters has a difficult and often challenging story line that is explored over the course of the show.

Nothing is obvious. Nothing is ordinary. And all of it (even the less than stellar episodes) are not cookie cutter TV.

This is an adult show. For adult minds. Adults who like complex characterisations, evolving plots and relationships.

And consequences - nothing happens on this show that doesn't have consequences.

edited to add: Oh and also tight leather pants and black T's and things that go BOOM! :roflmao:

[scaperbuddy]

This is a very good show with alot of action between alot of human actors and some muppets. But if you really get into the show you don't see them as muppets, you see them as characters.

You really need to watch more than just one show to make a judgement call over our show like that. The episodes are linked together in that they have continuing plotlines that keep you hanging on until the next episode and great Sci-fi action. You really need to watch more of the show. So why don't you try watching some episodes first before you really decide you don't like the show.

It is a great adult show! :applaud:

[Clarsax]

It depends on which episode you watched. Admittedly, between Rygel, Pilot, and some of the other aliens it does look like a bunch of muppets. But you have to watch more episodes to get into the deep relationships between so many of the characters, thier originality and quirky traits, not to mention some mind bending plotlines. Farscape does have a certain charm in the way the story is told and in those who are doing the telling, but you have to give it time to unfold. It took me three or four episodes before something clicked and I realized that Farscape is an art form, and besides that, one good story.

[NeilGartner]

To be truthful, I had the same problem with the entire 'muppet' angle of the show but curiosity finally forced me to sit down to watch a few episodes... Plus, I was especially drawn to that brunette with the husky that I kept spotting in those TV commercials for the show. ;)

Give the show a chance and before you know it, Farscape will hook and pull you in. You will wish to follow and share their adventures and begin to care what happens to them. And sometimes, you will even be shocked at what they do (No stinking Prime Directive here!).

I like to think of it as Star Trek meets Mad Max with a touch of Space Above and Beyond.

Neil

[jerseygirl]

At the risk of being redundant, one episode is just not enough to grasp the essence of the show. That said, there are individual eps that can grab you better than others. Without knowing which one you watched, I can't really comment specifically. The first episode I saw was one very early in Season 2. I had seen all the promos and so forth, but all I really knew ahead of time was that there was a bald blue female alien who seemed very spiritual or something, and also some Henson creatures. To be honest, it seemed to me that Rygel was just there for comic relief, but the other characters were quite complex and quirky and their relationships were correspondingly complex. So I was intrigued enough to keep watching. What kept me coming back was the intelligent writing, often brilliant acting and compelling, densely plotted stories. And also a love story on an operatic scale, fierce emotions, kick-ass action and laugh-out-loud humor. And I never once felt I was being talked down to or patronized. That's a lot to get from an hour's worth of television. Stick with it for a few more episodes and see if it doesn't grow on you, too.

[Lonewolf89]

I can see why someone wouldn't like the show after just one viewing. It's definitely not your typical Sci Fi program. When I first saw it, it didn’t click with me right away either, mainly because it can be very confusing if you’re coming in in the middle. But, after I had seen three or four episodes I was hooked.

The characters are one of the biggest attractions for me. The shows creators take them to their limits. No other program would be willing to make one of it's heroes a self centered, gluttonous, floating green alien. :)

The writing and the plot lines were another thing that drew me to Farscape. The story goes places that you would never have expected it to go. The only thing you can ever really be sure of in Farscape is plot twists. For example, they've killed most of their main characters at least once.

Plus, there’s a visual aspect to Farscape. The special effects are top notch, as good as anything you'll see in theaters. The muppets are very well constructed, and the make up is awesome. I love how alien everything looks. We're not just talking actors with a few forehead wrinkles here.

And, of course, last, but certainly not least, is the great acting on the show. Ben Browder and Claudia Black definitely deserve awards for all the hard work they've put into bringing their characters to life.

Farscape really has everything. You just have to hang in there long enough to realize it. :)

[ChianaGray]

Once you watch it for a bit, the little frog guy Rygel and Pilot are actually so realistic I don't even think about the animatronics that are going on behind him to make all those expressions and stuff.

I was actually attracted to watching the episodes when Premier very first was to air because they said it was Henson Co. I knew they just had to have something Dark Crystal going on there and I wasn't dissapointed.

It's not just the animatronics either, D'Argo, Zhaan and Noranti are very Dark Crystalish muppety ... and there's other really cool, strange stuff like Namtar and Aeryn's mutation in DNA Mad Scientist, the Pathfinders in Infinite Possibilites among a few others like Natira in Liars Guns and Money... actually that's what I'd like to see more of if Farscape continues beyond the mini. Way more creatures, animatronics and prosthetics.

But one of the main things that appeals to me is the characterization, dialogue and the interesting things that happens to everyone. Very often what they're going through is so easy to relate to my own personal stuff and it's so far out there in wild imagination. I didn't think there was anyone who could do something like that.

[jerseygirl]

... and there's other really cool, strange stuff like Namtar and Aeryn's mutation in DNA Mad Scientist

Has it occurred to anyone else that Namtar is Ratman backwards? And when he's returned to his original form, he looks a lot like a rat, no? (Kinda like Rizzo from The Muppet Show)

[Mr.Blue]

I will pray for you Alexjag33 ..Odin sometimes helps even those without taste...

But what ep did u see? And from with season..?? Some of them are not good for those new to the show,infact i get confused many times :blindfold and i have seen all seasons 3-4 times!!! But thats whats so cool! Farscape Rocks my brain thing! :charge:

[Mike@Pilots Chamber]

Namtar was originally supposed to be Ratman backwards. Or at least that's what it seemed to say in the final issue of the Farscape mag.

Why do I like this show? It's funny. It's sad at times, and happy at others. It shows that not every story has a good ending. There are some twists and turns, and it is carefully plotted out.

It is difficult to judge from one episode and, as many people here have said, yes, depending on the episodes you watch it can seem like a standard sci-fi show, but featuring muppets as well. I didn't particularly get into it until early in the second season, when plot threads started coming around and intertwining.

I suggest you watch one or two episodes from the later seasons to see if you like it. I definitely recommend Scratch 'n' Sniff - a good stand-alone episode (though there is one slight spoiler for earlier storylines in there) and a funny one with plenty of action. Or, to see if you can or can't stand a sci-fi show with muppets, perhaps Fractures (plenty of muppetry action).

Give it a bit more of a go, and see if you like it. If you do, welcome to the island of misfit toys! If not, each to his own.

[darius]

I guess star wars looked like the muppet show too?

[Spedoinkel]

Actually the Muppet angle is what brought me in. I have eminse respect for the quality of all of Hensen's work, and the people that go to other things bacome the top in thier fields.

This show in particular, well, it will be easy for me to list:
Action
Humor
Suspense

But alot of show fave these, what they don't have is, constantly evolving charaters, ingaging plot lines, organic dialogue, an almost complete absense of Deus Ex Machina, stunning visuals, realistally portrayed human emotions, willingness to take there plots where others wont, variety in format, origniality, great actors, intelligence without being pretentious.

Hmm, theres more in there, but it's layers on layers, which is what Farscape is. You see these people and you actually empathize, which doesn't happen much anymore. Most shows you can predict the ending half way through, but with Farscape you don't know how it will end, or even when.

[grinner]

Continuity... if something happens in one episode... there are repercussions of that action. Everything has consequences. Choices are forever. Not thrown away and ignored.

[jerseygirl]

Namtar was originally supposed to be Ratman backwards. Or at least that's what it seemed to say in the final issue of the Farscape mag.

Cool! Thanks, Mike. Okay, so I'm a little behind the curve here. But at least I don't feel like a total dufus.

[gliadrachan]

Guys/Gals:

I hate to break it to you, but I watched Farscape for the first time and well, it looked like the "Muppet Show" :eek: , especially with that little frog guy.

Not trying to be difficult, but what could you all possibly be attracted to in this show? There didn't seem to be anything in it that would keep me coming back for more.

It is very interesting to me that the author of this thread states his lack of interest in the show, yet has taken the effort to create a profile and start this discussion as the very first post on the board.

If the show is so uninteresting, then why would you care about an answer? Are you interested enough to post on a board, yet not watch a second episode?

[Spedoinkel]

Well he hasan't come back for an answer, so my conclustion is Troll.

:signtroll:

[soyarma]

Don't be usin' troll as a bad word or Shrek'll be coming for you, lol

[grinner]

Don't be usin' troll as a bad word or Shrek'll be coming for you, lol
I thought Shrek was an Ogre.

[Jeff O'Connor]

I thought Shrek was an Ogre.

Maybe no one knows he has a soft side for trolls.

[PKTechDude]

I hate to break it to you, but I watched Farscape for the first time and well, it looked like the "Muppet Show" :eek: , especially with that little frog guy.
:eek: :eek: :eek:

[soyarma]

shoot... that was poorly executed. I hope Shrek is OK with trolls or I'm gonna have Ogre issues.

[soyarma]

OH! I can actually contribute to the discussion at hand here. My wife loves Pilot and Rygel. She said without them and Chi she probably wouldnt watch the show with me, so go muppets go.

[Jeff O'Connor]

It's important to remember they aren't Muppets. Well... yeah, I guess they are. :shrug: I love them all the same.

[faustus]

have you noticed the person who started this thread hasn't posed since? could be here to start trouble.

[Jeff O'Connor]

have you noticed the person who started this thread hasn't posed since? could be here to start trouble.

Troll.

[Red]

well, to be fair, it could be somebody who finds themselves drawn to Farscape against their will, no matter how they resist the muppets. And this good soul is just looking for a good list of Farscape's more shiny attributes -- other than the muppets, that is.

Or it could be the person who sends us emails letting us know that "Farscape sucks green donkey gonads"

It's a mystery.

Welcome to the site, though. I'd say give Farscape more than one chance. One episode that you were prehaps determined not to like simply because of a muppet factor, is not particularly fair to the show.

[grinner]

it is called a driveby


when you say something without giving reasons for it... then you don't reply to the thread

classic trolling

[faustus]

well he's got a reply that's for sure

[blue]

What Darius said.

Everyone knows Yoda is a Jedi, not a Sesame Street character.

[soyarma]

Just make sure Shrek doesn't have Trolls in the family or he's gonna pwn us when we go to the theatre to see Shrek 2

[The Keeper]

What do I see in the series?

I see Love, friendships and hope.

That is all I have to say on the matter.

[Spedoinkel]

'Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe;
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.

`Beware the Jabberwock, my son!
The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!
Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun
The frumious Bandersnatch!'

He took his vorpal sword in hand:
Long time the manxome foe he sought--
So rested he by the Tumtum tree,
And stood awhile in thought.

And as in uffish thought he stood,
The Jabberwock, with eyes of flame,
Came whiffling through the tulgey wood,
And burbled as it came!

One, two! One, two! And through and through
The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!
He left it dead, and with its head
He went galumphing back.

`And has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.

[BaseLine]

Not trying to be difficult, but what could you all possibly be attracted to in this show? There didn't seem to be anything in it that would keep me coming back for more.

BLASPHEMY!!!!

[Jeff O'Connor]

What do I see in the series?

I see Love, friendships and hope.

That is all I have to say on the matter.

:aok:

[NYPinTA]

I am going to take the original post as an honest question by someone on the verdge of being sucked into the UT's. :D
This is what I see in Farscape: Us. John Crichton is the everyman who is in an extrodinary situation and how he reacts is a reflection of us all. He is reduced to his essance because he is (at first) all alone... despite being on a ship surrounded by the BEST ALIENS EVER, and has to rely on only himself to get through the day.
I also see great characters, effects, & stories as well as a believable progression of the changes in each of the characters as a result of all they have done.
At first I had a hard time looking beyond the puppets, but it only took an episode or two to get over that.
Now, I can't imagine Moya without Rygel...

[Alias]

Guys/Gals:

I hate to break it to you, but I watched Farscape for the first time and well, it looked like the "Muppet Show" :eek: , especially with that little frog guy.

Not trying to be difficult, but what could you all possibly be attracted to in this show? There didn't seem to be anything in it that would keep me coming back for more.

you went out of your way to find this site just so you could tell us that "farscape" has nothing to offer? wow! you must be bored out of your mind.

[Spedoinkel]

I'm still not sure why I posted the Jabberwocky, especcially in here. Why am I even writing this?

[soyarma]

Pilot and Rygel aren't real? No wonder they never show at conventions...

[Grippy]

When I first saw Farscape, it gave me a headache. Why? I would go get a backrub from my dad, he'd be watching the show, and one part of me would be relaxing while my mind was trying to follow the show. Thus the headache. What hooked me? Aeryn. I would watch, and there was this woman who while not classicaly beautiful was so strong so compelling and, heh, that leather didn't hurt... :D ...anyways...how often these days do you find intelligent media of any kind? So much of TV, music, radio, etc is insipid and bland geared for the lowest common denominator. Farscape made me watch, made me stare and unable to look away from the TV with it's intelligence, consequences, power, sexy-as heck-ness, oh I could go on. It is so alien and so familiar. So funny, I have laughed until I fell out of my chair, so sad I have wept (and I dont cry) so outrageous as to make me gape, and so...oh what the heck am I going on for....dude, yeah they're muppets, but trust me, go back to the beginning. Watch. Watch and you will see, trust us, we're the scapers and we know about these things.

[Jeff O'Connor]

Pilot and Rygel aren't real? No wonder they never show at conventions...

No they're real. It's all a lie, a big cover-up... actually it's to hide the fact that they're at nightclubs during their free time and have an alcohol problem.

[NYPinTA]

No they're real. It's all a lie, a big cover-up... actually it's to hide the fact that they're at nightclubs during their free time and have an alcohol problem.

:lol

Can just see it:

Rygel: Hello. My name is Dominar Rygel the Sixteenth... and... I... I have a problem with the serving wenches taking too long to bring me my frelling drinks!"
Pilot: Rygel...
Rygel: ... what?! Well? (pause) We're leaving. I'm not staying here with all these farbot humans. (starts to leave, notices Pilot not moving.)
Rygel: Well come on!
Pilot: I... can't.
Rygel: Oh frell! Why must you bond yourself with whatever you are sitting on!?

:rollin:

[somniac]

Isn't there a trolly type who posts on the Dom under the name of hn333 or summink?
Or variations of 333. This geezer's name sounds dangerously close.
If so.....http://pages.prodigy.net/indianahawkeye/newpage12/1.gif