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grinner
06-01-2004, 10:03 AM
Drivers Want Code to Their Cars

By Julia Scheeres | Also by this reporter Page 1 of 2 next »

02:00 AM May. 31, 2004 PT

Rachel Seymour, a college student from Portland, Oregon, has had her 2002 Kia Spectra serviced 12 times for a Check Engine light problem. Each time, she's forced to take it to a Kia dealership, where a technician hooks her car up to a computer, runs a battery of tests and charges her $120 to diagnose and repair the same problem: a loose gas cap.

Seymour said she has no problem screwing a gas cap into place, and that the light has even come on while she's driving home from getting her car serviced. But the dealership has stubbornly stood by its computer diagnosis, saying the car's sensors are detecting a loose gas cap and triggering the Check Engine light -- a "consumer error" that is not covered under the car's warranty.

Fed up with wasting time and money, Seymour resorted to a low-tech solution to mask the high-tech problem: She covered the warning light with electrical tape so she wouldn't have to look at it.

"There is really no time in my schedule for sitting around a car dealership listening to some fat guy in a clip-on tie tell me that the problem is my fault," she said. "Instead of explaining anything to me they just pull out a warranty sheet with a highlighted portion indicating that they don't cover Check Engine light problems." article continues (http://www.wired.com/news/autotech/0,2554,63615,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_1)
This is something that has stopped me from buying a car newer than a 1995 model year. There is too much computerization of the systems... that a shady tree mechanic(the owner of the car) can't work on the system.

Saajak
06-01-2004, 10:19 AM
I thought a law was passed that forced car manufacturers to divulge the codes to all service shops? Maybe that was just MN...but I'm sure I heard that somewhere. Something about a monopoly and consumer freedom of choice....

eta: Nevermind, I just read the entire article...

LiLOrion
06-01-2004, 10:41 AM
Fed up with wasting time and money, Seymour resorted to a low-tech solution to mask the high-tech problem: She covered the warning light with electrical tape so she wouldn't have to look at it.

Thats what I do on my grandparents mini van. :) The light goes on and off at its leizure but its on more than off. The mechanic we go do says that he cant find anything wrong with it, but he thought rebooting it would work, yeah for about 10 minutes and then it came back on again.


Its getting to the point where you cant do any work (however minor) on newer vehicles unless you are a licensed mechanic. I'm surprised there isnt a website out there that lists codes for vehicle makes and models.

There seems to be a revival of buying old cars and fixing them up. This is probably part of the reason, that and the fact that new cars are 99% plastic. :)

grinner
06-01-2004, 10:52 AM
There is also a movement about eliminating the entire engine management system and going with a stand-alone EMS like Motec or Pectil or Link or any number of other systems. My buddies car ended up with 14 wires going to the engine compartment to the computer when we replaced the stock computer with an aftermarket. We pulled out over 700 FEET of wiring.

LiLOrion
06-01-2004, 12:55 PM
700 feet - WOW!


Maybe I'll switch careers and be a mechanic, seems like thats where the money is at or going to be. More and more computer diagnostics/fixes, less dirty hands. :D