I am too old for this WHAT??

[Moks]

I was just watching "The Locket" on DVD, and toward the end, when Moya tries to Starburst backwards and it stops time, Crichton clearly says "I am too old for this shit." At first I thought he might have said "ship", making a clever little joke out of it, but I listened to it a few times, and it's indesputable. He says shit.

Now I don't see "shit" as a particularly profane word, but it is one of the inutterable curse words (fuck, shit, etc. etc.). However, I do know that major cable broadcasters make allowances (Comedy Central, all the time...), but I would have thought Sci Fi would be one of those that didn't allow it. So I was wondering, is "I'm too old for this shit" exclusive to the DVD and maybe something else was dubbed in for the Sci Fi airing? Or did Sci Fi permit it?

Also, I know that Sci Fi was lenient when it came to "Won't Get Fooled Again". Rowan Woods and Ricky Manning talk about it in the commentary, how the BBC hacked off like three minutes from WGFA, but Sci Fi only requested that it didn't show bloody brains sprayed on the wall. And as I said, I don't think anyone really thinks "shit" is as bad a word as "fuck". So I guess I could see Sci Fi airing it as it is on the DVD.

I never saw The Locket on TV, so that's why I ask. I was just surprised to hear it! I mean, they say "bitch" and "ass" all the time on Farscape, but those words have alternate meanings; female dog and donkey respectively. That's why they are allowed on cable. But shit has no other meaning besides a swear word. That's why it's generally not allowed.

[La Bomba]

Yes, it was on the original broadcast. I remember because my wife looked at me and asked, "Did he just say what I think he said?". She wasn't offended either, but was surprised the same way you are.

[Eve11]

I think he says it in the broadcast version too. It's pretty funny -- by looking at your avatar I'm sure you've watched the "throne for a loss" commentary, but I will proceed anyway -- in the TFAL commentary, Ben Browder mentions something about doing his best to say as much of that word as he could get away with, during the scene where he overloads the pulse rifle.

btw, I love your icon. :)

[NebariNookiee]

I remember when Sci Fi was rerunning the series before the season 3 finale – and in the broadcast of The Locket John does indeed say “I’m too old for this shit” – I have that broadcast on tape so I know I’m not crazy… well, I am but that’s besides the point. I just figured that it was Skiffy throwing us a bone for screwing up Out of Their Minds

[Moks]

I just figured that it was Skiffy throwing us a bone for screwing up Out of Their Minds

Uhh, clue me in here.

And Eve, I actually don't have Season 1 on DVD, so thanks for sharing that. lol
Bekhesh is my favorite guest star. I even liked him in TFAL when he was waaaay uglier (He was still ugly in Liars, Guns, and Money, but it was the coooool kind of ugly). Just always thought he was a badass.

[NebariNookiee]

Back during the rerunning, when Out of Their Mind was aired, Skiffy screwed up and didn't air Act 2 and simply showed Act 3 twice. They later reaired the full episode

[La Bomba]

Back during the rerunning, when Out of Their Mind was aired, Skiffy screwed up and didn't air Act 2 and simply showed Act 3 twice. They later reaired the full episode

I had forgotten that! That really messed me up!

[jayelsee]

Back during the rerunning, when Out of Their Mind was aired, Skiffy screwed up and didn't air Act 2 and simply showed Act 3 twice. They later reaired the full episodeI remember that! I was out of town when it aired, and taped it. When I watched it, I thought I was frelling out of MY mind!

[stellar]

Yeah... it was pretty distinct. Today he'd get fined $500,000.

[vhsiv]

There are many little Farscape 'trangressions' out there - Skiffy apparently has a 'rule' against weapons being pointed at characters' heads: How many times on the 'Scape have you seen a pulse-rifle pointed at someone's head?

(I won't say every time, but it happens often enough - NOT that there's anything wrong with that... )

[Spedoinkel]

The rules are more like guidlines.

[jerseygirl]

I didn't see The Locket first time around. But when I taped it and watched it, I was a little surprised. I though, "Wow! That's cool. How did they get away with that?" But it's in common usage now on cable. On Touching Evil, shit is sprinkled liberally thoughout their dialogue. That's the word - not the stuff itself. So I guess the FCC's seven words is down to six now.

[Spedoinkel]

One South Park ep they said shit 100 times. They even had a little counter at they bottom of the screen, ticking away. I don't remeber what the ep was called, but it was about censorship and responsibility.

[jerseygirl]

One South Park ep they said shit 100 times. They even had a little counter at they bottom of the screen, ticking away. I don't remeber what the ep was called, but it was about censorship and responsibility.
Bless their little cotton socks. Gotta give 'em credit - always pushing the envelope.

[MrX]

It's been mentioned, but he did at least get close to saying it in TFAL in S1. According to the commentary, he says "Oh shi-" and then it cuts away or something.

[JrMissToughChick]

I remembered it as *not* being in there the first time it was on... that however may have been the local cable company I don't know :shrug: but it did to me seem like it wasn't in there during the first airing.

[Spedoinkel]

First time, and so far only time I saw it, it was there.

[wheres my ice cream!]

I totally thought of lethal weapon when i heard crichton say it lol

[Boron]

So much language that was considered vile and obscene not THAT many years ago, is common expression today. I talk 3 times as filthy as my parents did. ( a lot of that due to the '60s). I'm sure that younger people today have swearwords that I don't even understand.


:eek: :rolleyes:

[Spedoinkel]

Say for instance, Frell?

[Spedoinkel]

Just watched The Locket on Skiffy and it's there.

[DRD 1812]

Yeah, it's apart of the original broadcast. I nearly coughed up my food when I heard it. I think the only words not aloud on are dropping the F Bomb, and a**hole. Except they censor hole instead of a**. ??

[jerseygirl]

Has anybody caught an episode of Nip/Tuck this season? The FCC's seven words are down to about two now, I think.

[scaperbuddy]

I can't believe all of the cussing on Tv nowadays. When I was a kid it was taboo.

[Mr.Blue]

I dont think swearing on TV should be cencord. If a character swears and its a part of his/her (bad) personality..well so be it. We have folks like that walking the earth so...

Whats important is that parents teach there kids desensy and respect for others. Censor only makes things more cool intresting for kids. :irate: But what Farscape has done for alien swearing is realy nice! Its one of the things that makes it unik..having so many good and bad words in a strange toung :drool:

[~Nikki]

I can not believe all the cursing in general! People swear too much. Some of my friends use the F word 4 times per sentence! I think it is their way of trying to hide their stupidity. But, a small amount of swearing when appropriate is ok!

[jerseygirl]

To me, swearing can be useful when you really need to add emphasis to what you're saying. Judiciously used swear words can speak volumes. When they're overdone, they just become coarse and meaningless, and make the speaker sound stupid. I told my kids when they were younger that using swear words was lazy because there is almost always a better word to use. They're teenagers now and they rarely swear.

[Spedoinkel]

Some of my friends use the F word 4 times per sentence! I think it is their way of trying to hide their stupidity.
Yes that's about it, but it makes them look even stupider...more stupid.

Swearing is supposed to be used for emphasis, not as a coma.

[NebariNookiee]

Swearing to me is an artform worthy of perfection through practice.

[scaperbuddy]

I think you should watch what you say around little kids because you never know when they will say something that will embaress you.. They don't know when it's not appropriate ie. church, someone you just met etc. and it just comes out of their mouth.

[Weetabix]

Fortunately, swearing has never been censored on french TV. They'd rather focus and the violence.
I hate to hear bleeps and bips when I watch some english channels. What is funny is that most of the time it's not very precise so you hear half of the insult ;)
I like the way they speak in Farscape. Gives it that natural tone that you sheldom hear in a SciFi tv show.

[NebariNookiee]

I think you should watch what you say around little kids because you never know when they will say something that will embaress you.. They don't know when it's not appropriate ie. church, someone you just met etc. and it just comes out of their mouth.
I found a way around it – my kids have heard me use my colorful vernacular since they were babies. I’ve only heard them use any of the words once or twice in their lives (they are 8 and 5) – and I told them those were grown up words. Well, my oldest asks me when she can use words like that – and in a moment of brilliance on my part, I tell her “when you learn how to use it properly.” I proceed to explain that when she learns the meanings, the proper context of use, and when and where to properly use these words, then she can use them – but I also told her she had to learn these on her own – no one will help her learn how to swear properly. I started using words like “damn” and a few other “not-so-harsh” words when I was in my early teens, so I expect her to start peppering her speech by the time she’s 12 or 13, at least when she’s around me (I’ve always said that I don’t care what they say around me, as long as it’s ONLY around me). My kids are pretty respectful and I don't see a problem.

Of course I could be wrong and may be getting a call from her teacher sometime soon. But I'll deal with it when the need arises.

[Mr.Blue]

Sounds good Nookiee..sounds like my child hood, and i turned out ok :rolleyes:
When will your kids be alouwd to sweer in scapish? ;)

[so-much-4-sanity]

Swearing to me is an artform worthy of perfection through practice.


:D

[Sarumouse]

I like your idea of learning how to swear. I have a little daughter myself and thought about it quite some time. Your approach is very cool :) Really like it.

[Spedoinkel]

That's pretty much how I feel about it. I don't think you should ignore part of your language just because it is considered vulgar. You just need to know how and when to use it.

[Scarran Raptor]

One South Park ep they said shit 100 times. They even had a little counter at they bottom of the screen, ticking away. I don't remeber what the ep was called, but it was about censorship and responsibility.

the episode was called "It hits the fan" and the word "Shit" was uttered, yelled, spoken, stated, shouted, whispered, sang and mentioned a grand total of 167 times, I should know I saw both times it ran for the first time and I paid attention to the counter

and stranger still, I learned to curse from the family parrot, while my grandfather was in the navy, my dad cursed like a sailor....and our African Grey tended to pick up on that, instead of "polly wanna cracker" we'd keep hearing "SHIT!" coming from the cage among other words of greater and lesser shock value, nowadays I'm a bit more artful with my profanity and I have standards enough not to do it around young children (thank you UT profanity)

[nullbyte]

I remember some laws regarding the FCC being changed around 1995 or so (went along with the new TV ratings system in the US, I think)... If I understood/remember it correctly, it basically made it so that broadcasters could air whatever they want; as long as the appropriate rating was given. Not long after that, Schindler's List was shown -- uncut (full frontal nudity, cussing, everything) -- on broadcast NBC. In effect, I think that (almost) anything can be shown on broadcast TV/basic cable in the US, but that most of the time the threat of lost advertising money keeps channels in check. Naturally, the big 3 US broadcast networks have a lot more to lose, so they're quite a bit more conservative, whereas "niche" cable channels like SCI-FI and Comedy Central are more apt to push the envelope. (HBO, Showtime, etc don't need external advertising, so they don't give a flying frell either way.) Anyhow, that's what I figure allowed Crichton's wonderful line to get through :) What a damn funny one it was, too....[Err, this post rated TV-PG]...

[Mr.Blue]

Im glad i live in Norway. Here people and media have a relaxed view on words like shit...
When cursing is called for or when some TV show or movie character curses we dont sensure it EVER!
Infact when i think about it in Norwegian movies and shows they do curse alot. But that dosnt affect people on the street.

(I like America so dont get me wrong) but is it correct that swearing and nudity are almost banned from TV while violence is ok? Cos it sure looks that way from the US shows we get here.

Farscape balances Frelling talk perfectly! I hope more shows will use this blend of space swearing.(perhaps a new Henson show?)

:) :)

[TalynLives]

Yeah, it's apart of the original broadcast. I nearly coughed up my food when I heard it. I think the only words not aloud on are dropping the F Bomb, and a**hole. Except they censor hole instead of a**. ??

An ass is nice, an asshole not so nice :rolleyes:

[Fyodor]

Well Sci-Fi aired "Frank Herberts Dune" and it had boobies in it. So saying Shit is not that special.

[malachilenomade]

If you have been channel surfing as much as I have in the last 6 months, you'll notice that a LOT of the cable stations have been including the word "shit" in their movies lately (though they still edit the "f" word). Then you have Comedy Central with their 1 AM broadcasts they can "Secret Stash" which is TOTALLY uneditted.

Though congress is supposed to go over this sometime soon (if they haven't started already) and look at having cable stations start following FCC regs exactly (or at least more closely than they are now). At least, that's what I heard the other day on the news.

[PKTechDude]

I'm not overly surprised that Sci-Fi allowed that to be said. Cable stations don't have to follow the same rules as broadcast networks. Plus, the line was just too funny to cut. ;)

[Nhoj]

I think it was because an old man said it. Crotchety old men can get away with more!
I said crotchety.... heh-heh! :roll:

[La Bomba]

Well Sci-Fi aired "Frank Herberts Dune" and it had boobies in it. So saying Shit is not that special.
Did they show that on air? I thought it was added to the DVD... but honestly, I can't remember.

[BrowderChick]

I was watching it the other night. :D

[DRD 1812]

Yup! They said it alright. ERGH! I remember when they frelled up OOTM. Sent me off the roof, I still don't have a good copy of it yet. :(

[MarkTwo]

Hiya Moks

I've never understood how prudish America can be about "bad" kanguage ,but is perfectly happy with lots of mindless violence. And god forbid you might show two women kissing each other....
Perhaps this was a case of the Aussie attitude leaking through, we were settled by convicts, while America was settled by Puritans...

Mark

[waltersgirl]

hi Mark. i think you need to watch more American television. plenty of it pushes the envelope. maybe then you wouldn't have such cliched perceptions of us.;)

[MarkTwo]

Hi WG

Australia sees too much American TV as it is, mindless pap like Survivor, Amazing Race, (which seems to be a contest to see how some nasty bitchy Americans can insult people in foreign countries), American Idol to name a few.
Perhaps American networks should be forced to broadcast more "foreign" programs, so you can see how the rest of the world thinks and acts.

Mark

[waltersgirl]

A&E, PBS and BBC America already bring in a great deal of "foreign" programming.

as to the shows you mentioned, no one "forced" your content providers to buy them.

as to what is on our airwaves, there are plenty of solid shows on television that have nothing to do with reality television but you choosing to highlight only those to prove your point doesn't make your point valid, but it rather does mine, doesn't it?

no one should judge anyone by the content of their entertainment channels. that is shallow in the extreme.

[HawkZon]

Hi WG

Australia sees too much American TV as it is, mindless pap like Survivor, Amazing Race, (which seems to be a contest to see how some nasty bitchy Americans can insult people in foreign countries), American Idol to name a few.
Perhaps American networks should be forced to broadcast more "foreign" programs, so you can see how the rest of the world thinks and acts.

Mark

Well, sorry to see that these are the shows you end up getting.
I don't watch them.
But there are lots of Australian shows I'd love to see.
Please arrange for me to get them on Direct TV.
I'm counting on you. ;)

[Spedoinkel]

I'd like to see some Oz shows. I don't think I have before, unless you count Farscape, but that's international. PBS is great for showing foreign stuff, mostly British. I don't watch alot of TV anymore because they shows I want I can't get due to not having cable right now. So the only things I watch are That 70s Show, Family Guy, Simpsons, and O.C. (when I've got nothing better to do). I think most of the stuff America produces is not worth half the money they put into it, but it keeps getting made because producers believ people watch television so they don't have to think.

[Emeraldcity]

I couldn't believe while in Australia, I flipped on the TV and what was on.........American Chopper......... There they were big as Buck Jones, Paul, Sr. and Paul, Jr. swearing at each other and building bikes......mighty fine purchase channel 9 made there..... :rolleyes:

[waltersgirl]

I'd like to see some Oz shows. I don't think I have before, unless you count Farscape, but that's international. PBS is great for showing foreign stuff, mostly British. I don't watch alot of TV anymore because they shows I want I can't get due to not having cable right now. So the only things I watch are That 70s Show, Family Guy, Simpsons, and O.C. (when I've got nothing better to do). I think most of the stuff America produces is not worth half the money they put into it, but it keeps getting made because producers believ people watch television so they don't have to think.


part of the problem is that there are plenty of people that *do* watch that stuff, and like it, so that puts producers in a odd sort of catch-22. if it gets good ratings, then someone's watching it. and we know that the ratings system isn't the best, so that reinforces perceptions, or possibly gives distorted perceptions but those are all that decision makers have to go by.

then you'll get a trend like ABC is seeing with Desperate Housewives, Lost and Alias, where they are hits, telling the suits that scripted drama is "vogue" again. or is it simply that there wasn't anything that folks wanted to watch before that was scripted? *or* perhaps the ratings weren't picking up that folks *were* watching.

the good thing about the increasing immediacy of the feedback loop between fans and creators that the internet has spawned is the data is almost "real time". the smart showrunners and network reps hit the fan boards and check for feedback and they *listen* to what their fans are saying. stuff might not always get changed but plenty does. JJ Abrams and season one of Alias is a great example. fans didn't like Will. they thought he was too whiny, so JJ shored up the character and fans dug it.

[AyuRocks]

Or rocking the Olde School, internet fans liked Lone Gunmen from X-Files and they ended up having bigger roles than was ever envisioned for the characters.

[Spedoinkel]

The only way for an accurate rating system is to have every TV monitored, though I doubt that's going to happen. Sample surveys for public opinion just are inherently misleading.

[kymom5613]

The only way for an accurate rating system is to have every TV monitored, though I doubt that's going to happen. Sample surveys for public opinion just are inherently misleading.

Have to agree with you - the people asking the questions already know what they WANT the answer to be, therefore, the question and the potential answers are already slanted that way...Just like it was during the elections. As far as having every TV monitored, now that's REALLY Orwellian! (shiver!)

[zahncrelnik]

Hi WG

Australia sees too much American TV as it is, mindless pap like Survivor, Amazing Race, (which seems to be a contest to see how some nasty bitchy Americans can insult people in foreign countries), American Idol to name a few.
Perhaps American networks should be forced to broadcast more "foreign" programs, so you can see how the rest of the world thinks and acts.

Mark

Most of our so-called 'reality tv' is that kind of trash (to put it kindly).
To be more blunt it is a big pile of stinking dren.

One reality show you should watch, if you ever get the chance, is
Extreme Makeover HOME Edition. If they must make reality shows
it is the best kind: they look for people who really deserve help and
they give them a new house! Literally, but they tear down the old
house and build a new, bigger, better home on the same spot.
It is wonderful to see. They have helped a variety of people;
those will illness in the family, those who help others, people living
in a 'homeless' shelter. It is a delight to see these people get
help and often someone pays off the mortgage too.
The best 'reality' show on television!

We have a few other really good shows that 'push the envelope';
most notably a little show called Boston Legal. Sexual inuendo and
sometimes not so much (inuendo), rather risque, and a real hoot!

[Spedoinkel]

As far as having every TV monitored, now that's REALLY Orwellian! (shiver!)

It can be but you could also monitor TVs without telling who is watching. If every TV is equiped with a sort of sensor that transmits back what the TV is currently turned to, I would help things. Of course it would be able to tell the physical location of the TV. The implementaion of this on Satelite and Cable equiped TVs should be releitivle simple because those TVs are already sending signals back. Those without would require additional equipment.

But then again this can be fooled too. All that needs to be done is some one to grab a bunch of TVs and set them to a channel. TVs can't tell if they are being watched, just that they are showing.

[DarleenMB]

Yeah... it was pretty distinct. Today he'd get fined $500,000.


Somebody will correct if I'm wrong here but SciFI is a cable channel NOT a broadcast channel. They are not subject to the same rigid and blind rules as them what runs the airwaves.

[Spedoinkel]

Ledislature has been trying to go through to force them under the same strict guidelines ever since Janet Jackson's Nipplegate.

[MarkTwo]

Hi Guys

Just for the record, our commercial TV networks have to show 55% of Aussie made programs, which means that the other 45% is mostly from America or England.
Because the US program makers make all their profits in America, when they are sold overseas, it is usually for a much smaller price. An hour of an Aussie made drama costs $300,000 - 400,000. Compare that with Desperate Housewives or Survivor for around $100,000.
If it wasn't for that 55% quota limit, the commercial networks would just run OS programs 24/7.
It would be nice if the big US networks, CBS, ABC, NBC and Fox were forced to show at least 10% of overseas programming, America might learn a bit more about the rest of the world.
When I was in the US for a month in 2001, I tried some serious channel surfing, and couldn't find any "foreign" shows at all.
And if the prudes in the FCC are going after people who say shit on US Tv, then the things that get aired in Australia would make their head spin off.

One a lighter note, way back in 1973, during a broadcast of our version of the Emmy's, a drunk US celebrity said the S word live. 8 people rang the station to complain. When the entire show was replayed 2 days later, the S word was bleeped out. 200 people rang the station to complain about the bleep.
Australia was settled by convicts, America by Puritans, the contrast shows up quite strongly sometimes!! :-)

Mark

[waltersgirl]

An hour of an Aussie made drama costs $300,000 - 400,000. is that in US dollars, because, quite frankly, i find that very difficult to believe and would appreciate some links if you have them.

It would be nice if the big US networks, CBS, ABC, NBC and Fox were forced to show at least 10% of overseas programming...

that's not how it works here. those networks are privately owned and the government cannot force them to air foreign scripted content. the only programming the FCC, not the government with a big "G", can mandate is equal airing access for candidates during elections.

...America might learn a bit more about the rest of the world....And if the prudes in the FCC are going after people who say shit on US Tv, then the things that get aired in Australia would make their head spin off.

from this, then, it looks like the only thing we'll learn about Australia is they swear more on television. which doesn't actually, you know, tell us anything relevent about Australians themselves. that's just tv.

Australia was settled by convicts, America by Puritans, the contrast shows up quite strongly sometimes!! :-)

Australia was settled by a lot more than just convicts, like oh, i don't know, the indigenous peoples of the continent for example?

sweeping generalities do neither culture any justice. that's why sensible folk try to avoid using them.;)

[Jul]

I wonder if that's $300,000 - $400,000 Australian Dollars??

[waltersgirl]

that's why i asked.;) because by his logic then, Farscape would have cost a FORTUNE to make, which we know isn't the case. the only reason that the players were able to play was because of the cost break afforded by filming in Oz.

[Jul]

:lol i'm having a brainfart of a day.. i just wasn't paying attention.. :hug:

[MarkTwo]

Hi Gang

I found a rather long winded link to give a bit more background.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/TV--Radio/Serial-offenders/2005/04/08/1112815717021.html?oneclick=true

And yes the figure of 300 - 400,000 was in Oz dollars. And as for Farscape being cheap to make in Australia, when production began in 1999, the Oz dollar was down to the high 50's cent mark to the US dollar, and during 2000, actually dropped below 50 cents US. That really helps stretch the budget further...
(When I was in the US in May 2001, the Oz dollar had barely risen to 53 cents US, boy did that make Big Macs more expensive!!)
At the time of the miniseries the Oz dollar was in the mid 70's, which is probably why we only got a 4 hour miniseries, not a 6 hour one!! :-)

Mark

[MrX]

So, I was flipping through channels the other night (around 1 I guess) and came to my local WB. "The Locket" was on and fortunately it was right at the part where Crichton drops his s-bomb. I wanted to know if the syndicated version would censor it. And they didn't. Awesome.

[MarkTwo]

G'day Mr X

It's good to see that the Neo cons haven't outlawed bad languange on TV just yet. They must be too busy trying to find new sneaky ways of overturning Roe V Wade instead..... :-)

Mark

[StarsGoBlue]

G'day Mr X

It's good to see that the Neo cons haven't outlawed bad languange on TV just yet. They must be too busy trying to find new sneaky ways of overturning Roe V Wade instead..... :-)

Mark


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