Clue in What Was Lost to Peacekeeper War

[Darth Buddha]

O.K., this might have already been noted, but as I work with What Was Lost on the telly in the background, I heard Jool say that the Priests of that planet managed to keep a truce between the Peacekeppers and the Scarrens for thousands of years.

12,000 cycles ago, Arnesskan priests worshipped. Mystics.

Somehow they maintained a truce with the Scarrens and the Peacekeepers for five hundred generations. Imagine. Imagine if we could discover their secret for peace. No one knows how they achieved it because...one day they just vanished. And it's like everyone just left in a microt and no one knows why.

Are these the arbiters that John et. al. are looking for?

[Boron]

Interesting. I had just turned it on, too.

[Doc Holiday]

Nice call. I think you may be on to something. I couldsee that happening. It would be a good way of bringing Jool in.

[Doc Holiday]

I cannot watch it. I am staying with someone who does not have skiffy. Very sad

[Boron]

I am so curious as to the origin of the Egyptian symbols on the probes, or whatever. What could be a human connection??

[Doc Holiday]

Harvey maybe?

[Jellyfish]

And it was there was it not that John found the Egyptian symbol that suggested a link between the Sebacians and Humans?

[Darth Buddha]

Suggested peace... the Sebacean and Interon symbols on that tile stood for peace.

[Jeff O'Connor]

Every time I watch "What Was Lost" I know -- I just know -- that the story of season five, and now, the miniseries instead, is glued to this duology. I mean, come on. The Egyptian symbols. The peacekeeping of the Scarrans and the Peacekeepers. Damn do I hate puns. The probes. The tower. The priests. I remember the first time I watched it there was still no word on whether there'd be more Farscape and so it was very gloomy for me because I think I stand for just about everyone in saying there's a lot of pivotal story here that has yet to have been covered. Then when I heard about Peacekeeper War's announcement for the first time in that it'd be official, I rejoiced, and waited, kept waiting, for info on the plot just to see if my hopes were justified -- if Arnessk would be important, and crucial, in the miniseries. I'm glad to hear it probably will be.

[mjwillia]

Great catch Darth Buddha!

I really think that you have something there!

Here's a wild idea to "add to the mix" ... What if, Granny was one of those species of people/priests that Jool stays behind with??? Remember how Granny was all into killing anyone who might misuse the probes? (She even tried to kill John.) She seemed to "feel" the Priest spirits too... She seemed to know a lot about that planet that she wasn't sharing.... When the Priest come "back alive" weren't they wearing masks? (Maybe, they were wearing masks so we wouldn't see their 3rd eye?)

It's just a wild idea I got after reading Darth Buddha's suggestion... What do you all think?

[Jeff O'Connor]

Great catch Darth Buddha!

I really think that you have something there!

Here's a wild idea to "add to the mix" ... What if, Granny was one of those species of people/priests that Jool stays behind with??? Remember how Granny was all into killing anyone who might misuse the probes? (She even tried to kill John.) She seemed to "feel" the Priest spirits too... She seemed to know a lot about that planet that she wasn't sharing.... When the Priest come "back alive" weren't they wearing masks? (Maybe, they were wearing masks so we wouldn't see their 3rd eye?)

It's just a wild idea I got after reading Darth Buddha's suggestion... What do you all think?

It's actually one of my two theories on her.

[mjwillia]

Cool!

[Jeff O'Connor]

Yeah. I figured it was either that or she's been sent from the realm of the Ancients in some way.

[Col. Kathryn O'Neill]

ancients hmm... not likely.. i think the probes will/ may play a part in the mini.. just dont ask me how... i have almost 8hrs of scape on the brain...

[Doc Holiday]

8 hours? From skiffy? MAN THIS SUX. Everyone but me is getting scaped.

[Col. Kathryn O'Neill]

yeah its a marathon of eps today... woohoo!!!! plus i have the day off as well ;)

[Doc Holiday]

I'm staying at a house with nocable. This smacks big Luxan ass. I am glad it is getting played. Can someone sendme this month's Schedule of broadcast?

[mjwillia]

If Granny was one of those "Arnesskan priest species people" then, that would also explain her extreme interest in John.

Think about it. She was a prisoner on Scorpy's command carrier. John et al save her among some other prisoners who's escape pod isn't going to clear the exploding PK carrier. All the other prisoners leave and she stays behind "to show her appreciation to John's kindness" at least that what she tells John in Dog with 2 Bones (I think). But, maybe she purposely got herself captured by Scorpy because she heard Scorpy was after a Human (John) and she knows the connection between humans, Sebatiens(sp) and Scarrens. She probably would have sabotaged the escape pod counting on John's "human nature" to save the people on the pod. Granny may be "keeping an eye" on John to protect whatever the secret is between the three species (humans, Sebatiens and Scarrens). Or, something like that...

I never liked the Granny as an Ancient idea. Jack and Einstein displayed a certain kind of "reserved personality" that Granny doesn't seem to have.

[Doc Holiday]

Nice theory but I think with the wormhole to Earth shut they may stray from a human/Sebecean connection.

[Jeff O'Connor]

Yeah, the Ancient Noranti theory has sort've lost interest with me as I've rewatched, too. Her connections with Arnessk make a lot more sense to me, and would explain lots of things. Her knowledge, deep inside her brain (man, that sounds familiar) of the Intergalactic Peace they had going on for generations would make Scorpius very interested. Maybe not in the peace part, but in the fact that there are beings out there that could pull it off. What power... supposedly.

[mjwillia]

Do you all think that the "worm hole to Earth" will/might stay shut?

Couldn't John using PK's technology to "make a wormhole" like they did before (when John took Scorpy for a ride through the PK made wormhole) and coupled with his ability to navigate a worm hole make a path back to earth?

There are two reasons I think John will see Earth again:

1. He told his dad he would see him again. (In the episode where DK gets killed - I think.)

2. That one Scarren makes it through the wormhole to earth as John and Aeryn are getting back to Moya...

[Jeff O'Connor]

Do you all think that the "worm hole to Earth" will/might stay shut?

Couldn't John using PK's technology to "make a wormhole" like they did before (when John took Scorpy for a ride through the PK made wormhole) and coupled with his ability to navigate a worm hole make a path back to earth?

There are two reasons I think John will see Earth again:

1. He told his dad he would see him again. (In the episode where DK gets killed - I think.)

2. That one Scarren makes it through the wormhole to earth as John and Aeryn are getting back to Moya...

In the words of a vuluptious commandant...

"Point A is clearly correct. But I cannot accept Point B."

Besides, sh*t happens. Farscape isn't afraid to show that. So going back to Earth isn't validated by that statement. Promises aren't always kept. Farscape is REAL, you know?

And about Point B...

They sort've... died... from what I saw.

[mjwillia]

Interesting!

It did seem like the Scarren did die now that you mention it.

Also, it would be "very Farscape" if John never returned home... But....

[Jeff O'Connor]

But we want to see it... I know... :yes: I do too. It's the "Dog With Two Bones" concept though, it really is. It would be "very unFarscape" and thus not done yet which is in itself "very Farscape" from a certain point of view, though, if he got to come home in the end of it all with his friends, and a galaxy of peace. Very unoriginal with most shows and franchises but very original for Farscape which has never worked out all the way.

So there's still hope.

[Col. Kathryn O'Neill]

theres' always hope.

[Jeff O'Connor]

Exactly.

[Doc Holiday]

I like the idea of him stayinggone it makes the intro to season 3 more meaningful. Instead of getting both he doeshave to chose 1.

[mjwillia]

I have to agree Jeff O'Connor on how it would be "very Farscape" to have a traditional ending since Farscape never does that...

I have to agree with Doc Holiday that "staying gone" would be more meaningful...

Ug! You could go crazy!

[Doc Holiday]

Yes you are right. Farscape makes me muy loco!

[Darth Buddha]

If Granny was one of those "Arnesskan priest species people" then, that would also explain her extreme interest in John.

Excellent point, supported by the fact that when Noranti is chanting "He must die" while lying on her side, John has a "hallucination" of TWO grannies dressed in some sort of red vestments appeared and blew dust at him - driving him off the cliff.

However, any "interest" in John by her is complicated by the fact that she was so quickly willing to try to kill him. John knew where hte probes were, and keeping that information from Grayza was more important from John.

[mjwillia]

Wow! I didn't notice that Granny was wearing the red-robes in John's hallucination - good catch!

Maybe there is more to Granny than I first thought... Maybe she isn't just an excentric old witch as I first thought.

[faustus]

I like Granny she's fun

[mjwillia]

Yes, Granny is fun. She "kinda grows" on a person!

[CeRell]

Most of us rewatch the DVD's or tapes....

I suspect the peace arbitrators will be the priests that John and company brought back when they resusitated the Darnez triangle..The people that Jool stayed with on Arnesk...

One plot line I can't concieve logically...HOW can peace be brokered between the PK and the Scarrens?

[Antrobus]

Who thinks that Noranti killed Vella?

I've always felt that she was the most likely to have done it. Her actions in the two eps show her to be in a postition where she's trying to manipulate what's going on. Its as if she has a mission to see that certain things happen and certain things don't happen. I think she did Vella in because Vella was in the wrong place at the wrong time - doing the wrong things.
She was a threat to what Noranti wanted to happen, and that was probably the reactivation of the Darnez triangle.

[Darth Buddha]

I never thought of it, but I think you are right, Antrobus.

[Pheonixphire]

Wow... all great theories. I haven't been in here chatting for awhile... it's summer after all. It is good to see people talking about this. I and some others brought up the "Egyptian connection" awhile back on one of my old threads. I am glad to see others focusing in on this concept. It is a great theme for them to connect the series with the mini. (It is also ironic because Claudia Black is guest starring in STARGATE SG-1 on Friday JULY 16th! - I can't wait... SHE is divine eye :eek: candy!!! - along with Amanda Tapping) ...Sorry,excuse the hormones ;) , back to what I was saying.
The "Egyptian Connection" is a great theme. My theory is that Humans and Sebaceans are actually off branches of the same species. OOh heres a thought....the Egyptian humans were once a powerful race, even a formidable breed of soldier human/sebacean -humans are impervious to heat unlike sebacean cousins. After loosing a war, or as part of the "demilitarization" humans were discarded and left to fend for themselves on a planet we knows as Earth that has been erased from the history of the Sebacean race. THIS is probably the most fundamental problem I want answered- how are the HUMAN and SEBACEAN species so compatible?I hope it is one of the loose ends Brian Henson talks about tying up.
I do hope that whatever ends they tie and plot twists they throw in that they are not too predictable, or not predictable at all. After all that is the spirit of FARSCAPE!!! I know that my eyes will be glued to the television come this October.

I will banter on some more later about this topic. Remind me to cmoe back to it. Right now I have to go. Be back soon!!