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grinner
07-15-2004, 08:44 AM
Hawking cracks black hole paradox

19:00 14 July 04

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After nearly 30 years of arguing that a black hole destroys everything that falls into it, Stephen Hawking is saying he was wrong. It seems that black holes may after all allow information within them to escape. Hawking will present his latest finding at a conference in Ireland next week.

The about-turn might cost Hawking, a physicist at the University of Cambridge, an encyclopaedia because of a bet he made in 1997. More importantly, it might solve one of the long-standing puzzles in modern physics, known as the black hole information paradox.

It was Hawking's own work that created the paradox. In 1976, he calculated that once a black hole forms, it starts losing mass by radiating energy. This "Hawking radiation" contains no information about the matter inside the black hole and once the black hole evaporates, all information is lost.

But this conflicts with the laws of quantum physics, which say that such information can never be completely wiped out. Hawking's argument was that the intense gravitational fields of black holes somehow unravel the laws of quantum physics.

Other physicists have tried to chip away at this paradox. Earlier in 2004, Samir Mathur of Ohio State University in Columbus and his colleagues showed that if a black hole is modelled according to string theory - in which the universe is made of tiny, vibrating strings rather than point-like particles - then the black hole becomes a giant tangle of strings. And the Hawking radiation emitted by this "fuzzball" does contain information about the insides of a black hole (New Scientist print edition, 13 March).


Big reputation

Now, it seems that Hawking too has an answer to the conundrum and the physics community is abuzz with the news. Hawking requested at the last minute that he be allowed to present his findings at the 17th International Conference on General Relativity and Gravitation in Dublin, Ireland.

"He sent a note saying 'I have solved the black hole information paradox and I want to talk about it'," says Curt Cutler, a physicist at the Albert Einstein Institute in Golm, Germany, who is chairing the conference's scientific committee. "I haven't seen a preprint [of the paper]. To be quite honest, I went on Hawking's reputation."

Though Hawking has not yet revealed the detailed maths behind his finding, sketchy details have emerged from a seminar Hawking gave at Cambridge. According to Cambridge colleague Gary Gibbons, an expert on the physics of black holes who was at the seminar, Hawking's black holes, unlike classic black holes, do not have a well-defined event horizon that hides everything within them from the outside world.

In essence, his new black holes now never quite become the kind that gobble up everything. Instead, they keep emitting radiation for a long time, and eventually open up to reveal the information within. "It's possible that what he presented in the seminar is a solution," says Gibbons. "But I think you have to say the jury is still out."

Forever hidden

At the conference, Hawking will have an hour on 21 July to make his case. If he succeeds, then, ironically, he will lose a bet that he and theoretical physicist Kip Thorne of the California Institute of Technology (Caltech) in Pasadena made with John Preskill, also of Caltech.

They argued that "information swallowed by a black hole is forever hidden, and can never be revealed".

"Since Stephen has changed his view and now believes that black holes do not destroy information, I expect him [and Kip] to concede the bet," Preskill told New Scientist. The duo are expected to present Preskill with an encyclopaedia of his choice "from which information can be recovered at will".link (http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99996151)

Kurt_eh
07-15-2004, 08:57 AM
I think my brain just exploded! :D

La Bomba
07-15-2004, 09:19 AM
Do you suppose that when Hawking looks at us humans, he's just sees a bunch of hairless apes?

LT Garrix
07-15-2004, 09:31 AM
That is very cool. That's one of the great things about theoretical physics, that all the facts aren't there yet. Man, I wish I was going to be there. Sorry, but I'm a bit of a fan of his Quantum physics work. That stuff is just fascinating.

Kurt_eh
07-15-2004, 09:33 AM
I remember when he guest starred in "Descent."

He just looked so excited to be there, playing poker with all his heros: Einstein and Newton... Wins the hand too! :D

LT Garrix
07-15-2004, 09:47 AM
Yeah, he's said he's a huge Star Trek fan and he really enjoyed the chance to be on the show. He's a Simpson's fan, too and has had his guest shot there as well. He has a really great sensee of humor and surprsingly is able to explain all his work at a level normal people can understand. I've read Universe in a Nutshell and found it very enlightening.

AgentSun
07-15-2004, 12:19 PM
i'm a big science geek and Hawking is one of my favorite scientists. everything the man writes is brilliant and it really is understandable for regular people. he has a way of putting a lot of humor into this books too, and making those other ways of communicating what he wants to say. he's one of our century's greatest minds and i'm glad he's a star trek fan!

stellar
07-15-2004, 12:28 PM
I don't know what kind of information Professor Hawking is going to say leaves the Black Hole. Is this information carried by the radiation? In the form of heat or vibration? Interesting stuff. Especially since the Hawking Radiation temperature is less than 1 Kelvin.

AgentSun
07-15-2004, 12:32 PM
information is information nonetheless, i figure.

Col.Batguano
07-15-2004, 03:56 PM
" says Gibbons. "But I think you have to say the jury is still out."

I have to agree
Hawking is indeed a brilliant man, however he does have a tendency to jump to conclusions and announce findings a bit quickly.
I can remember when Hawking was somewhat boasting about proving Einstein wrong, and when string theory came into the public’s attention - he wasn't so eager to except it, being String/Super-String theory was dependent on Einstein theories, and then only excepting it (begrudgingly) after the mathematics came together.
A Brilliant man but, a bit stubborn and quick to the draw.
I have had conversations with a few physicists and mathematicians, granted not of Hawking’s stature but intelligent men and women non the less, and when ever the subject of Hawking’s theories came up, there comments where along the lines of - well, lets wait and see.

Saajak
07-15-2004, 04:47 PM
I have to agree
Hawking is indeed a brilliant man, however he does have a tendency to jump to conclusions and announce findings a bit quickly.

Yeah, but at least he'll admit it when he's wrong!

Zantar
07-15-2004, 05:59 PM
I don't know what kind of information Professor Hawking is going to say leaves the Black Hole. Is this information carried by the radiation? In the form of heat or vibration? Interesting stuff. Especially since the Hawking Radiation temperature is less than 1 Kelvin.

Perhaps its just reruns of 60's television shows.

stellar
07-15-2004, 06:00 PM
Lost in Space?

Col.Batguano
07-15-2004, 06:01 PM
The Prisoner !!!

AgentSun
07-15-2004, 06:18 PM
Sonny and Cher?

Paul Cousins
07-15-2004, 07:44 PM
After nearly 30 years of arguing that a black hole destroys everything that falls into it, Stephen Hawking is saying he was wrong. It seems that black holes may after all allow information within them to escape. Hawking will present his latest finding at a conference in Ireland next week.

It is good to know that a genius like Hawking is wise enough to know when to admit he was wrong about something and to point it out in detail. I have new found respect for him.

Zantar
07-15-2004, 07:49 PM
Its much worse than all of that....the Braddy Bunch.

AgentSun
07-15-2004, 07:54 PM
it's funny that he has a sense of humor. his bets with Kip Thorn are legendary. once, hawking bet one year's subscription to penthouse on Kip Thorne's wages of a 4-year subscription to private eye, that Cygnus X-1 did not contain a black hole of mass above Chandrasekhar limit. there was another bet that ended up with thorne breaking into hawking's office.

MrVesham
07-15-2004, 08:06 PM
Hyperintelligent frat boys. Just the second reason I love physics so much. =]

faustus
07-16-2004, 12:44 AM
I'd love to read what he found out
I just love this stuff

grinner
07-18-2004, 09:37 AM
Hawking cracks black hole paradox

BaseLine
07-18-2004, 10:33 AM
Hehe, that's funny.

LT Garrix
07-18-2004, 11:00 AM
:roflmao: Love it. Thanks for sharing.