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grinner
07-18-2004, 10:11 AM
Authorities pay Italian families to flee threat of new Pompeii
By Bruce Johnston


Rosario Vignola, his wife, Cira, and their two teenage children were in high spirits yesterday, despite bidding farewell to their home beneath the gaze of Mount Vesuvius, where they have lived for 19 years.

They had just received a £20,000 grant from the authorities to encourage them to move from San Giorgio a Cremano. It is one of 18 towns in greater Naples clinging to the volcano's slopes in the so-called Red Zone considered a high risk in the event of an eruption.

Although Vesuvius - which locals often refer to as The Giant, or more simply and ominously as Lui (Him) - seems to be in a slumber, experts say it could erupt at any time. It last blew in 1944, and before that in 1900.

Unlike Mount Etna in Sicily, from which lava streams slowly down in more frequent eruptions, Vesuvius rarely comes to life, but when it does, it tends to explode, often sending out the deadly clouds of gas which overwhelmed Pompeii in AD 79.

In the meantime, nearly 600,000 people continue to lead their lives in its shadow.

The true nature of the task of moving so many people so quickly in a place like Naples recently became clear, when it emerged that four years of evacuation drills had resulted in only a 30 per cent success.

Last year Marco Di Lello, regional councillor for urban planning, came up with the scheme of trying to relocate 10,000 people a year for the next 15 years.

As homes are gradually vacated, they will be given over to tourism, or turned into craft workshops and premises for small businesses being enticed into the area.

Yesterday the family of Mr Vignola, a 40-year-old dental technician, was the first of 1,000 to benefit from £20,000 to help pay for a new home.

Thanks to the scheme the Vignolas are going upmarket, moving from small rented accommodation into a more comfortable house of their own in Santa Maria Capua Vetere, 30 minutes away.

From there Mr Vignola will commute to work in his old area with his daughter, Daniela, 18, who studies at a technical college. His son, Roberto, 16, will commute to Naples.

Mr Vignola said: "The main thing is we will be sleeping safely out of the volcano's reach. Every day there are tremors and a few years ago they became stronger. A specialist told me they could be warnings that people were failing to heed."

Mr Di Lello is undeterred. As well as the 1,000 families "the annual maximum" who have been given the grant, he said another 2,800 had come forward for the same year and were now on a waiting list.

Maria Orsini Natale, an author who lives in the Vesuvius area, said some local people would never go.

"Here life is more intense than elsewhere," she said. "A life here is worth 10 of those lived somewhere else. And anyway, we love 'Him' and have a reverential fear of 'Him'."link (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/07/17/wves17.xml&sSheet=/portal/2004/07/17/ixportal.html)
This is something that I have never truly understood. Why people knowingly live near a volcano or some other reoccuring natural disaster area. Even if the disaster only occures every 50 or so years... there is always a chance for it to occur sooner.

LiLOrion
07-18-2004, 11:08 AM
Maybe they dont have the means to move. Or they've been there all their lives and would rather just take their chances.

What kind of dwelling would 20,000 pounds get you in Italy anyway?

LT Garrix
07-18-2004, 11:13 AM
How about those people who have those houses right on the Atlantic beaches that are pummeled by hurricanes every couple years. Of course federal disaster insurance pays for those idiots to rebuild.

For that matter, why the hezmana am I living in Cali where there is the threat of earthquakes? In fact they say the San Diego is due for a 7+ soon. Help, let me leave, please.

grinner
07-18-2004, 11:19 AM
the same thing could be said about people living in arid climates and then having them bitch about the lack of water. If you want to live in a desert... you shouldn't complain about the fact that you can't grow grass.

AgentSun
07-18-2004, 11:21 AM
some families there have been there for years, even decades, and it is a family legacy kind of thing. i bet many of the citizens are elderly and have been there for a long time.

grinner
07-18-2004, 11:24 AM
AS, that is obvious. However, after 1944 when the area was destroyed in the last incident... there was no-one there. The people didn't have to return... as the area was totally destroyed.

AgentSun
07-18-2004, 11:25 AM
i don't know, maybe they didn't have anywhere to go...who paid for the building of new houses after the 1944 eruption?

grinner
07-18-2004, 11:27 AM
what was going on in 1944? WWII mayhaps? There were large areas that were open after the war... areas where thousands of people weren't around... because they were dead. There was no need to go back to Vesusius

LT Garrix
07-18-2004, 11:30 AM
I think it's just one of those family pride things. While the houses may have been destroyed, there were still those that owned the land. It's one of those my family has lived here for 10 generations and I'm not moving type of things.

Sometimes people forget to apply common sense.

LiLOrion
07-18-2004, 12:21 PM
How about those people who have those houses right on the Atlantic beaches that are pummeled by hurricanes every couple years. Of course federal disaster insurance pays for those idiots to rebuild.


And I dont think the federal insurance should pay for it (more than once).

If it happens to you once, fine, let them get paid for it to recoup some of their loss. But if you are going to keep rebuilding and its going to keep happening every couple of years, you should have to rely on your own insurance (which I'm sure would sky-rocket after the first incident) which would make you think about building there a second time.

Rhys
07-18-2004, 12:32 PM
A friend (who lives in LA) and I determined, at one point, that every area has its potential natural disasters, whether that's volcanoes, earthquakes, blizzards, tornadoes, hurricanes, or whatever. You just have to pick the one you want to deal with, and learn to live with it.

Rhys

LiLOrion
07-18-2004, 12:47 PM
True, but some places have more reoccurring potential for disaster than others.

DRD2001
07-19-2004, 07:33 AM
Something to consider. My mother's house has withstood several hurricanes. The house is 30 years old. When it was build, my father knew that hurricanes were a potential problem, so he paid extra to have extra reinforcement put into the house. However, all the newer houses in our neighborhood are made cheaper without regards for the natural hazards they will be subjected to. Cheap construction, house falls down, but if it lasts 5 years, they've made money back on rentals.

And no, I don't think the gov't should bail people out who choose to live in certain areas prone to natural disaster. Unlike earthquakes (or blizzards) which do not have specific target areas, a simple move 5 miles from the beachfront can remove most of the hazard of a hurricane. The same with volcanos.

Darth Buddha
07-19-2004, 07:44 AM
I'm with you, DRD2001. Hurricane insurance should pay out ONCE per property... after which the govt. owns the property.

Flood plains are similar territory. Federal flood insurance is a boondoggle.

Weetabix
07-19-2004, 11:19 AM
The prime interest of volcanos is that the ground all around is very fertile. Agriculture in those areas is quite fructuous.

Scarran Raptor
07-19-2004, 12:00 PM
said one wag who refused to move "Vesuvius, I lava you!"

AgentSun
07-19-2004, 12:04 PM
said one wag who refused to move "Vesuvius, I lava you!"
yes, right before the lava gave him a hug. a warm hug. a very warm hug.

DRD2001
07-19-2004, 12:31 PM
Lavas A Many Spendored Thing. :love:

Third EYe
07-19-2004, 05:09 PM
oh boy

Kurt_eh
07-19-2004, 06:16 PM
Pyroclastic flows (http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/Hazards/What/PF/pcflows.html) can be nasty, nasty things...