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Kurt_eh
12-23-2004, 11:35 AM
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http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2004/12/23/clone-kitten-041223.html


Pet cat cloned for $50,000 US
Last Updated Thu, 23 Dec 2004 11:51:48 EST
SAN FRANCISCO - The first cloned-to-order pet sold in the United States has been delivered to a Texas woman, who paid $50,000 US to have a kitten created from the DNA of her dead cat.


INDEPTH: Cloning


Julie and Little Nicky (AP photo)
A California biotech company, Genetic Savings and Clone, forged the kitten from the remains of Nicky, a cat who died last year.

Nicky's owner, a woman known only as Julie, was shattered by the death of her 17-year-old pet and banked its DNA.

Julie insists that Little Nicky, now nine months old, is the same as its prototype.

"He is identical. His personality is the same," she told the Associated Press news agency. Julie wanted her last name and hometown kept secret because she fears being targeted by cloning opponents.

Clones not identical, scientists warn

But scientists say pet owners should be aware that environmental and other biological variables make it impossible to duplicate animals exactly. Little Nicky, for example, has a different coat from its predecessor.

They also warn that cloned animals are more likely to have health problems than those produced through traditional breeding.

Project re-ignites cloning debate

Little Nicky's creation and sale has re-ignited ethical and religious debates over cloning.


FROM AUG. 11, 2004: Britain OKs human embryo clones for research

Genetic Savings and Clone, which has cloned five cats since 2001, said it hopes to make the world's first genetically cloned dog by next May.

They expect the market for dogs to be much more lucrative.

Other companies have already created cloned mice, rabbits, goats, pigs, horses and prize cattle, which sell for about $20,000 US each.

Animal-rights activists and others condemned Genetic Savings and Clone, pointing out that thousands of unwanted cats are euthanized each year in the United States.

"It's morally problematic and a little reprehensible," said David Magnus, co-director of the Centre for Biomedical Ethics at Stanford University.

"For $50,000, she could have provided homes for a lot of strays."

Written by CBC News Online staff

Copyright ©2004 Canadian Broadcasting Corporation - All Rights Reserved

LT Garrix
12-23-2004, 11:39 AM
I have so many better thing to spend $50k on. Instead, when my boys pass on, I'll head down to the shelter and pick out a new kitty for about $30.

NYPinTA
12-23-2004, 11:44 AM
Can you imagine how many cats she could have given nices homes with 50K?
I mean, I love my cats, but not 50,000 dollars worth.

zahncrelnik
12-23-2004, 11:46 AM
I don't know... I still miss my little mini-dachshund, Jocelyn.
(she lived to be 16 years old and I 'lost' her last March)
She was one in ten million, and I would be incredibly lucky
to ever have another dog as good as she was.

I would give anything to have her back. But,
I don't know, would a clone of her be the same?
- I doubt it.

Kurt_eh
12-23-2004, 01:00 PM
For $50 K I could go down to the pound and find one that looks just like the first...

scrape_medic
12-23-2004, 01:11 PM
I always try to think about it this way....would I clone my friends?....nope. I like each an everyone of them FOR their diffference and differing personalities. Much as I would miss a certain pet, I find the next one has their own unique personalites and much of what I really like about them, may come from the way I interact with them, how I bring them up. Not from what genes they inherited necessarily.

50K is way too much money to be wasting on a clone, who quite frankly will never be the same as the original.

NYPinTA
12-23-2004, 01:19 PM
I lost my cat Buddy in 2001. As heartbroke as I was I wouldn't trade my new cat Misty for a duplicate of Buddy.

chasa
12-23-2004, 02:11 PM
I always try to think about it this way....would I clone my friends?....nope. I like each an everyone of them FOR their diffference and differing personalities. Much as I would miss a certain pet, I find the next one has their own unique personalites and much of what I really like about them, may come from the way I interact with them, how I bring them up. Not from what genes they inherited necessarily.

Yep. I adore my pets (both current and those who are gone) and am constantly amused (and occasionally exasperated ;)) by their unique personalities and quirks. It frankly creeps the hell out of me to imagine trying to "re-create" any of them via cloning. I feel like that would be a poor way to honor the uniqueness that made me fall in love with each of them over the years.

DRD2001
12-23-2004, 02:24 PM
In another report, this is the phrase that stood out in my mind.

Scientists also warn that cloned animals suffer from more health problems than their traditionally bred peers and that cloning is still a very inexact science. It takes many gruesome failures to produce just a single clone.
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Between 15 percent and 45 percent of cloned cats born alive die within the first 30 days, Hawthorne said. But he said that range is consistent with natural births, depending on the breed of cat.
I love my cats. I love them dearly. But clones are not exact duplicates. And I would not clone a pet I loved so much knowing that I am bringing them back to be possibly medically unfit copies. Is the heartbreak of losing a pet more than the heartbreak of trying to bring them back, only to watch them suffer through their life again with a variety of medical issues? Then what?

For 50K, our group could run our spay/neuter clinic for the next 12 to 15 years. :kitty:

Digger
12-23-2004, 02:29 PM
"He is identical. His personality is the same," she told the Associated Press news agency. Sure he is. But really, he's just biding his time. Soon, oh so soon, good old "Little Nicky" (and isn't that a euphemism for Satan?) will turn on her. Then we'll see a news story where she says something like this...

Hey, does anybody know where I can get some cat handcuffs? I've gotta get a pair of cat handcuffs. Either two little ones like this, to go around the little paws.. or a big one that hooks onto my arm and then hooks onto the cat. I found out my cat was embezzling from me, so I've gotta get a little pair.. of cat handcuffs, so.. Well, I found out that when I'm away, he goes to the mailbox, picks up the checks, take them down to the bank and cashes them. The way I caught him, I went out to his little house, where he sleeps at night, and there was like $3,000 worth of cat toys out there. And you can't return them, because they have spit all over them.And of course it won't end there. Nicky will continue down the dark path, and "Julie" will be found, partially decomposed and partially eaten, with a very surprised look on her face.

DRD2001
12-23-2004, 02:31 PM
:lol When good cats go feral!

TheBladeRoden
12-23-2004, 03:34 PM
Little Nicky is the son of the devil, if I have my Adam Sandler movies right

Clarsax
12-23-2004, 04:13 PM
As much as I love my cats, a clone will never be the same. It seems a pity to make such an effort to recapture a pet that has passed on when there are so many cats that have been abandoned or are sitting in shelters in need of a good home. When my cats go, I would much rather adopt one of those than make a "replacement" cat.

AgentSun
12-23-2004, 06:58 PM
the article even states that the cloned cat isn't the same. how is it the same if its coat is different? this woman is obviously not in a logical state of mind...she insists the cat is the same as her dead one, when the cat doesn't even LOOK like the cat she had before. honestly, why not just go buy a kitten that looks the same? or buy a kitten that doesn't look the same if you're going to buy a "copy" for 50k! you know how many people and/or animals that could have helped? how many bills that could've paid? how many pairs of shoes that could've bought?!