The Pope has Died (title edited by Admin)

[MotorWerk]

...this according to CNN.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/03/31/pope1/index.html

[JadedLegend3]

This has been found to be not entirely credible.

[LiLOrion]

And its also not called "last rites" anymore cause apparently it can be done more than once. Something about ".......anointing of the sick".

A family member just had it performed right before heart surgery.

[Col.Batguano]

TV news people creep me out.
do the executives really think that people going home from work are thinking,
"Oh man, I’ve got to get home on time to watch the Pope DIE on TV".
to me the man is one of the nicest and important personages of the 20th century, I wish to God, that there would be dignity and decorum about the possible end of his great life.
I swear this is absolutely the lowest level of TV morbidity and sleaze.
like peasants and crows waiting by the way side till after the battle to pick through the remains.
is he dead yet?
is he dead yet?
is he dead yet?

[MotorWerk]

The Pope being the spiritual leader for 1.090 billion people I think its fair to say that his illness/death is news.

[grinner]

There are a billion Roman Catholics worldwide? I didn't know that.

[TheBladeRoden]

http://www.adherents.com/adh_branches.html#Christianity

[Col.Batguano]

The Pope being the spiritual leader for 1.090 billion people I think its fair to say that his illness/death is news.
Absolutely.
I can understand the odd news updates on his health,
but they just carry on endlessly speculating hinting just wasting time while constantly checking in with there man in Rome in the hopes he kicks off while they are on the air.

up dating every three minutes or every commercial brake is excessive.

[MotorWerk]

up dating every three minutes or every commercial brake is excessive.


I agree with you on that...

For those of you interested in how the Vatican go about electing a new Pope I recommend reading Morris West's "Shoes of the Fisherman". A really good read.

[scrape_medic]

I agree with you on that...

For those of you interested in how the Vatican go about electing a new Pope I recommend reading Morris West's "Shoes of the Fisherman". A really good read.Was that made into a film with David Jansen in it?

[grinner]

Was that made into a film with David Jansen in it?
yep (http://imdb.com/title/tt0063599/)

[scrape_medic]

yep I found it too........great film for a bit of papal insight.....and what a bizarre load of rituals to go through....After twenty years in a Siberian labor camp, Kiril Lakota, the Metropolitan Archbishop of Lvov, is set free. The Catholic Archbishop is released and sent to Rome, where the ailing Pope makes him a Cardinal. The world is in a state of crisis - a famine in China is exacerbated by United States restrictions on Chinese trade and the ongoing Chinese-Soviet feud. When the Pontiff dies, Lakota finds himself elected Pope. But the new Pope Kiril I is plagued by self-doubt, by his years in prison, and by the strange world he knows so little about. This movie contains extensive information about Catholic faith & practice, as a television news reporter steps in from time-to-time to explain the procedures involved in selecting a new Pope.

[MotorWerk]

Popes are elected by the College of Cardinals meeting in Conclave when the Apostolic See falls vacant.

Pope Paul VI significantly changed the rules for conclaves in 1975 when he promulgated the Apostolic Constitution Romano Pontifico Eligendo. He excluded all cardinals 80 years old or over from the conclave and made provision to prevent any bugging of the Sistine Chapel.

It was according to these rules that Albano Luciano, Patriarch of Venice, was elected Pope John Paul I and that a little over a month later, Karol Wojtyla, Cardinal Archbishop of Krakow, was elected Pope John Paul II.

Pope John Paul has himself now promulgated a whole new set of rules in the Apostolic Constitution Universi Dominici Gregis (see the full text of the Constitution).

He has not departed radically from the traditional structure. But he has made some significant changes:
if no cardinal has been elected by two-thirds majority after a certain number of ballots, the cardinals may agree by absolute majority (half + 1) to elect the Pope by an absolute majority instead of a two-thirds majority
rather than stay in uncomfortable, makeshift quarters in the Papal Palace, the Cardinals will stay in the Domus Sanctae Marthae, hotel-style accommodation in Vatican City
the only remaining method of electing the Pope is by scrutiny, ie, silent ballot -- the methods of election by acclamation and by committee have been excluded
the older cardinals are still unable to enter the conclave, but they are invited to take an active role in the preparatory meetings
the rules on secrecy are tougher

The maximum number of Cardinal Electors allowed at any one time is 120. The Pope cannot raise more than 120 men under 80 to the Cardinalate at any one time.

The Pope dies
When the Pope dies, the Cardinal Camerlengo (currently Eduardo Cardinal Martinez Somalo) must verify the death, traditionally by calling the Pope three times by his name without response. He must then authorize a death certificate and make the event public by notifying the Cardinal Vicar for the Diocese of Rome (currently Camillo Cardinal Ruini). The Camerlengo then seals the Pope's private apartments. He would also arrange for the "ring of the fisherman" and the papal seal to be broken. He then makes preparations for the Papal funeral rites, the novemdieles, the nine days of mourning.

During the interregnum, it is the Camerlengo who is responsible for the government of the Church. He must arrange the funeral and burial of the Pope. He directs the election of a new pope, assisted by three Cardinals, elected by the College of Cardinals, with three new Cardinals elected every three days.

All heads of the dicasteries of the Roman Curia are suspended from exercising their authority during the interregnum (and are expected to resign their posts immediately on the election of the new Pope). The only exceptions to this are the Cardinal Camerlengo, the Cardinal Vicar of Rome, the Major Penitentiary (William Cardinal Baum), the Cardinal Archpriest of St Peter's Basilica and the Vicar-General for Vatican City (both offices are held by Virgilio Cardinal Noe). These continue in their posts during the interregnum.

After 15-20 days of "General Congregations", sermons at their Titular Churches and mourning for the Pope after his funeral, the Cardinal Electors enter the Conclave to choose which of them will emerge as Holy Roman Pontiff.

The Cardinals must take an oath when they first enter the Conclave that they will follow the rules set down by the Pope and that they will maintain absolute secrecy about the voting and deliberations. The penalty for disclosing anything about the conclave that must be kept secret is automatic excommunication.

The Cardinals all take seats around the wall of the Sistine Chapel and take a ballot paper on which is written "Eligo in suumum pontificem" -- "I elect as supreme Pontiff...". They then write a name on it, fold it, and then proceed one by one to approach the altar, where a chalice stands with a paten on it. They hold up their ballot high to show that they have voted, then place it on the paten, and then slides it into the chalice. The votes are then counted by the Cardinal Camerlengo and his three assistants. Each assistant reads the name, reads the name aloud, writes it down on a tally sheet and then passes it to the next assistant. The third assistance runs a needle and thread through the centre of each ballot to join them all together. The ballots are then burned, as well as all notes made. If a new Pope has been elected, the papers are burned with to give white smoke. Otherwise, they give off black smoke, so that the waiting crowds, and the world, know whether their new Holy Father will soon emerge from the Sistine Chapel.

To be elected Pope, one Cardinal must receive more than two-thirds of the votes. Except that if 30 elections have taken place without any one Cardinal being elected Pope, then the Cardinals may then elect by simple majority. This is an important change and may well be the most important change made. In the past, it has often been the case that a particular candidate has had solid majority support but cannot garner the required two-thirds majority, eg, because he is too conservative to satisfy the more moderate Cardinals. Therefore a compromise candidate is chosen, either an old Pope who will die soon and not do much until the next conclave (which is what was intended with John XXIII!) or someone not so hard-line wins support. The difference now will be that if, in the early ballots, one candidate has strong majority support, there is less incentive for that majority to compromise with the cardinals who are against their candidate and they simply need to sit out 30 ballots to elect their man. This may well see much more "hard-line" Popes being elected, and given the conservative trend of most appointments to the College by Pope John Paul II, it is almost certainly going to be a man cut from the same cloth.

The cardinals vote on the afternoon of the first day, then twice each morning and once each afternoon. If they have not elected someone within the first nine votes, then they may devote up to a day to prayer and discussion before resuming. They may do the same every seven unsuccessful votes after that.

The Cardinals are not permitted any contact with the outside world: no mobile phones, no newspapers or television, no messages or letters or signals to observers. There will be regular sweeps of all relevant areas for listening devices. The Cardinals will for the first time be visible, at least twice daily, to the observing world, when they move the 350 metres from the Domus Sanctae Marthae to the Sistine Chapel and back again. No doubt, Vatican "experts" will be hired to expound at length on what the countenance of certain key Cardinals indicates as they are filmed moving to and from the Chapel!

Once a Cardinal has received the required number of votes, the Dean of the College of Cardinals asks him if he accepts election and by what name he wishes to be called as Pope. On giving assent, the Cardinal immediately becomes Pontifex Maximus, the Holy Roman Pontiff.

The Cardinals then pledge their obedience to His Holiness in turn. The Pope vests in his Pontifical clericals (white soutane and skull cap) -- the Italian family business in Rome that makes all the Papal vestments has several different sizes prepared in readiness for His Holiness, no matter what his shape or size!

The Dean of the College of Cardinals then steps onto the main balcony of the Vatican and declares to the World: "Habemus Papam!" "We have a Pope!" His Holiness then appears on the Balcony and delivers his Apostolic Blessing to the waiting World.

Within a short time of his election, before the Cardinals return home, a formal ceremony of inauguration takes place at which the woollen pallium is bestowed upon him. One of the few things Pope John Paul I managed to do in his short papacy was to abolish the traditional Papal Coronation, which Pope John Paul II did not resurrect. Traditionally, the Pope would be carried around St Peter's Square on the Sedia Gestatoria (the Papal Throne) and have the Papal Tiara placed on his head. These last two popes have done away with the monarchic symbolism of the papacy (including the use of the Royal "we") in favour of a heightened concentration of their role as "Servus Servorum Dei" -- Servant of the servants of God.

http://www.catholic-pages.com/pope/election.asp

[StarsGoBlue]

:( it appears his condition has become very serious.

Vatican press release, via the BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4399675.stm)

CNN update (http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/04/01/pope1/index.html)

[JadedLegend3]

:(

[malachilenomade]

Thanks to Motorwerk for process:aok: I was actually curious about that... not being very religious, I always thought that the Pope chose his successor.

Yeah, I've been watching MSNBC this morning and Imus has been giving updates on the condition as they find it out.

Sorta sad though that what the Vatican was originally telling everyone was a UTI was in fact a heart attack!!! :( Rather BIG difference there!

I would say that I hope he gets well soon, but I honestly don't see that happening :( His health has been getting dramatically worse these last few years.

The analysts are saying there is no way the next Pope will be American... more likely going to look towards Africa (at least that's what they were talking about when I left for work this morning) because of Africa's growing Catholic population.

[MotorWerk]

Reports are in now that The Holy Father has lost consciousness...

Living Tabernacle of the Eucharist, and Luminous Rose of Heaven, with humble confidence we ask you to bestow upon the Holy Father all the graces and blessings reserved for him by the Holy Trinity from all eternity. Amen.

[kymom5613]

Mal, it is a UTI, and yes, he did have an episode overnight of heart failure. Ever since his last round in the hospital, he's been weaker & weaker. The Parkinson's (from what I have read) depresses the immune system, as well as the other areas of the body that it affects, so this is not very surprising. When I heard this morning that his kidneys are now not functioning as well, that is sounding like it won't be long. I'm a convert to Catholicism, so there are many things I've yet to learn. I only wish for him to not be in pain. He's done so much good in his life and I hope he doesn't suffer.

Bless you, Holy Father.

[fandom]

The analysts are saying there is no way the next Pope will be American... more likely going to look towards Africa (at least that's what they were talking about when I left for work this morning) because of Africa's growing Catholic population.

The 'analysts' were saying the same thing 26 years ago when the current Pope was elected, they may be right this time, but then, broken watches are right twice a day.

Really, nobody has a clue about who it is going to be, they are saying these things to fill the time until they have something real to say.

[trubador]

:candle::candle::candle::candle::candle:
:candle::candle::candle::candle::candle:
:candle::candle::candle::candle::candle:

[Jul]

Living Tabernacle of the Eucharist, and Luminous Rose of Heaven, with humble confidence we ask you to bestow upon the Holy Father all the graces and blessings reserved for him by the Holy Trinity from all eternity. Amen.

Amen.

[JadedLegend3]

Living Tabernacle of the Eucharist, and Luminous Rose of Heaven, with humble confidence we ask you to bestow upon the Holy Father all the graces and blessings reserved for him by the Holy Trinity from all eternity. Amen.

I wish I had brought my rosary in to work today. :( :candle:

Beautiful prayer, MotorWerk.

[BrowderChick]

:(

[MotorWerk]

According to Sky Italia The Holy Father is still clinging on...

[BrowderChick]

He has lost consciousness. They just made an announcement that I couldnt understand though. :(

[Jul]

looks like they're going to be saying the rosary in st. peter's square now..

[divinedaydreams]

While I'm not Catholic I do hope the Pope goes in peace. He is a great man and one of the leaders of our time. We are sure to miss him.

[Col. Kathryn O'Neill]

i may not be Catholic, but I am a Christian, my heart, thoughts and prayers go out the Pope.

lovely prayer MoterWerk, well said!

[Clarsax]

I'm not Catholic, but this is still very sad. I hope the Pope goes in peace. :(

[AnnieBW]

Even though I disagree with almost everything the Catholic Church doctrine says, I still respect Pope JP2 a lot. He did a lot of good in the world for almost 30 years. I'd say "God bless him," but it would be redundant. St. Peter's probably going to high-five him when he gets to the Pearly Gates and say that he was a credit to the ring.

May the Holy Mother that you served so long and well take you into her arms, Your Holiness.

[Kathleen]

Amen to your prayer, MW.

My grandmother is Catholic, and she is watching all of this rather closely and going to special mass. I'm not Catholic, but I respect His Holiness immensely.

May the angels carry him safely home to the Father.

[freckle]

In our city centre this morning there was a sea of Celtic football supporters all praying at the city church. im not religious but it was really humbling,everyone was stopping to look.

[AgentSun]

faith is an amazing amazing wonderful thing. i think death is tragic but when it's someone like the pope, it's a unifying thing for all the church. anyone who considers themselves a devout catholic is unified because their leader is about to die and they are witnesses to a significant part of religious history.

[Kalliope]

My country is losing one of the Greatest Poles of all times. Or maybe even the GREATEST. :(

[AgentSun]

i'm afraid i haven't kept up with polish history. who is this?

[MotorWerk]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_John_Paul_II

[Kalliope]

i'm afraid i haven't kept up with polish history. who is this?

Karol Wojtyla, who almost 27 years ago became John Paul II.

[BrowderChick]

My country is losing one of the Greatest Poles of all times. Or maybe even the GREATEST. :(
:(

[MotorWerk]

Last night the Holy Father thanked all those worldwide praying for him with this statement: "I have looked for you. Now you have come to me. And I thank you".

[MotorWerk]

Pope John Paul II 1920 - 2005

Pater noster, qui es in caelis, sanctificetur nomen tuum. Adveniat regnum tuum. Fiat voluntas tua, sicut in caelo et in terra. Panem nostrum quotidianum da nobis hodie, et dimitte nobis debita nostra sicut et nos dimittimus debitoribus nostris. Et ne nos inducas in tentationem, sed libera nos a malo. Amen.

[Jul]

God bless his soul...

[AgentSun]

May he find peace now.

[chri-baby]

may peace be upon him.

[DRD 1812]

May god accept him with open arms. One of the greatest leaders of all time. He's the only pope I've known.

[Frellster]

He was a good man. Catholasism inherantly gives too much power to one man. Unlike some past Popes, he never abused it. He genuinely cared for people. I'm not too sad about his passing though. He was ready to go, believed firmly in an afterlife, and was loved by millions.

[fandom]

:cry2:

[Col.Batguano]

Even in his passing he was Inspirational and dignified, - I would say despite the media circus side show around it if it wasn’t for how the Vatican took it and turned it around to illustrate this Good man’s life.
For me at a particularly troubled time in my life, He - in his passing - inspired me with faith and courage, and was a reminder that good people like him, in Christ like fashion, suffer for us, so our journey in this world is much easier and our pains are relieved or no more.
For me such conviction is more of a sign of certainty than faith and more than a great comfort to me.

I would like to request the title of this thread be renamed “the Pope has gone Home”.

thank you Holy Father, and we wish you a swift Journey Home.

[Col. Kathryn O'Neill]

God rest his soul and may he rest in peace as the world morns the loss of a great Man!

[Clarsax]

:cry2:

[BrowderChick]

:(

[abbadon]

Thy prayer was "Light--more Light"--while Time shall last
Thou sawest a glory growing on the night,
But not the shadows which that light would cast,
Till shadows vanish in the Light of Light.
- Inscription on the Window in memory of Caxton,
in St. Margaret's Church, Westminster, London


In memory of a man who did much to shine light on the shadows......

[Judith]

He was a good man and a good Pope.

[MotorWerk]

http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/special_features/hf_jp_ii_xxv_en.htm

[scrape_medic]

Rest in peace Karol.

[Kalliope]

May He rest in peace.

In this pic there're Wadowice, Karol Wojtyla's home town.

[trubador]

Though Pope John Paul II (whom I'm sure will one day soon be referred to as "Pope Saint John Paul the Great") has taken his final earthly breath, we can take great comfort in knowing that he is now firmly embraced by our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, in heaven.

I was a sophmore in high school when JPII became supreme pontiff, and one year later I had the opportunity to be an usher at his visit to my home town of Philadelphia in 1979. Just this past weekend, while I was back east for a week to visit family for the Easter holy days, I was going through some of my belongs which I had left behind when I moved to California 10 years earlier. I came across the yellow usher hat that I was privileged to have worn during that spiritually exciting visitation of the Holy Father. I almost thought of throwing that hat away. Something (the Holy Spirit?) prompted me to do otherwise. I placed it back inside the plastic container in my parent's garage.

I was also prompted very early Saturday morning (12:30-1:30 AM) to go to my local church for Eucharistic Adoration. I brought the specially-handmade rosary I had given to my Mom when I left for California in '94 (my Dad had given it back to me when she died three years ago), and I prayed two of the four Mysteries for the ailing pontiff: The Luminous Mysteries (in honor of JPII who added these mysteries several years ago), and the Sorrowful Mysteries (in honor of his sharing in the sufferings of Christ in these his final moments).

Words cannot express what I and many, many others are feeling right now. The passing of Johannes Paulus II is a great loss for the Church and for the World, but a great gain for the Heavenly Hosts. The shoes of this fisherman will be difficult to fill, indeed.

:cry2::candle::angelgrin:candle::cry2:

[Owlman]

I'm not religious, but I have great respect for the man. A great leader.

RIP

[malachilenomade]

I'm not religious, but I have great respect for the man. A great leader.

RIP

Pretty much what I was going to say.

RIP :(

[zahncrelnik]

He was a great man, what a fascinating life.
RIP :(