Sebaceans homeworld

[Zinny]

I watched PKW last night and a part of it Aeryn was on the scarren flagship talking to the interion and he said that the Sebaceans real homeworld was very far away and when they met the Sebaceans ages ago they were hardly clothed and very primative and that he wanted a race noone knew but he made them very advanced later on.

Does this mean the Sebacean race is really human?

[mjwillia]

I thought he ment that: They purposely looked for and found a planet no one knew (Earth) and that the inhabitants were really stone-aged humans. Next, his people took some of these stone-aged humans and turned them into Sebaceans via genetic manipulation...

Maybe, that's what you just said?

Anyway, on one hand you can say "Earth" is the Sebacean original planet but, on the other hand you can say that their planet was the Sebacean's origional planet since Sebaceans were made on his planet and not made on Earth. Just depends on your point of view...

[DRD 1812]

You can say thier anscestors came from Earth, but there real homeworld is Arrnesk. They were genetically manipulated and made the species they were today. :)

[mjwillia]

Yeah! Well said!

The whole "Sebaceans came from humans" plot line really helps the whole cross-breeding thing between John and Aeryn too. I still don't like the part where Female military sebaceans are genetically manipulated to keep their fetuses in statsis. I would have preferred something either 1. Aeryn had the baby and hid it or, 2. Sebaceans have twice as long of a gestation period than humans... But, I'm not a writer so what do I know?

[aidor]

remember at the start of series 4 when they were on arrnesk the first time, and john found the little triangular thing that had on it a sebacean symbol, the eye of ra symbol and some other ones. (can't remember them) that was the first real clue to the link other than appearances, but the only thing is, they took humans from around 12,000 years ago - this is way before the thought of ra was about in egypt surely.

although some of my knowledge of ancient egypt may have been confused with SG1 stories.

although i think they are accurate with their dates.

sorry to be a geek.

especially if i'm wrong!!

[Spedoinkel]

The whole "Sebaceans came from humans" plot line really helps the whole cross-breeding thing between John and Aeryn too. I still don't like the part where Female military sebaceans are genetically manipulated to keep their fetuses in statsis. I would have preferred something either 1. Aeryn had the baby and hid it or, 2. Sebaceans have twice as long of a gestation period than humans... But, I'm not a writer so what do I know?

Though not the best for story archs, the fetus stasis makes a whole lot of sense for military purposes, thus adding to the realisim of Farscape.

And don't forget that if the Ithorians whent to earth they would have had to use a wormhole, which traverses space and time. So any inconsistancy in when the egyptian culture (Bronze age not stone age) existed, and when they got picked up is conveinently settled.

[GARNET]

The whole time and space be using wormhole might even explain who destroy the Idlions in the first place back 10,000 years ago.

Who hate people using wormholes because they might screw up history and the only answer is the Anicents.

[mjwillia]

I've been thinking about why I don't like the whole "fetus statsis" thing. Here's what I came up with.

1. Aeryn said her mom and dad broke the rules by conceiving her and having her. She said most peace keepers are "bred" making me believe that "higher command" must be the folks deciding "who will breed with who" thus getting the best pilots or the best combat people. Now, if you have a bunch of troops recreating together and carrying multiple fetuses from multiple partners I guess High Command could sort through their women troops and see who is carrying what combination of fetuses and pick and choose which to release. But to me that doesn't seem like the best most efficent way to breed better troops. Seems to me you would implant some sort of birth control that lasted a year at a time during the trooper's annual physical. Then, High Command could assign a birthing between the best pilots (or whatever) because otherwise the best pilots may never get the chance to recreate with each other. That seems more effiecent to me. That would also support how Aeryn's mom somehow broke the rules and un-did the birth control and chose to get pregnant with Talyon. How could Aeryn's mom get a PC doctor to release an unauthorized fetus?

2. Aeryn was not virgin. Why did she only have John's fetus stored in her? I would think she had recreated shortly before Craise kicked her out. Wouldn't she have had someone else's fetus?

Anyhow, it's a moot point. It works -- I just didn't like it very much. I thought the writers could have done better with that story arch.

[Nicola]

I agree with you that Aeryn was not a virgin. Her relationship with Velorek makes that clear.

But I did think that Aeryn was fairly picky about her partners - and that would be one of the traits she would be looking for in a potential partner. Since that kind of pickiness would not be an encouraged behaviour in the PK's I think she would have had some difficulty finding a partner she was interested in. So while I don't think she was celibate after Velorek, I don't think she was wildly promiscuous either.

Consequently I didn't find it all that surprising that Aeryn was only carrying one foetus.

[Spedoinkel]

I believe I remember something about Peace Keepers being on breeding detail. Either assigned or volunteered. I'm pretty sure Aeryn said something about this, but since I don't have the whole series I can't be sure.

Also it is quite possible that Aeryn could be carrying only one fetus. Why is this unbelievable? Sex does not guarantee pregnancy, and I'm sure that a civilization as advanced as the PKs would have developed at least one form of contraception.

[jerseygirl]

They clearly spent more time thinking through some of the mechanical concepts than they did the whole sebacean reproductive system. Some things I think you just have to say "okay" and let it go. Whether the women can keep multiple fetuses in stasis, I don't know. But you know what? I doesn't really matter. I mean, if you want to get nitpicky, what about the whole notion of Rygel carrying the baby in his stomach? His stomach - where his food gets digested! Why didn't his stomach acids destroy the fetus?

It's called willing suspension of disbelief. And I for one am perfectly happy to accept it all, if it helps tell the story.

[mjwillia]

You got that right JerseyGirl!

What I'm really glad about is that Aeryn and John did have a baby. Some people believe babies kill the story line but, it seemed fitting some how.

[leeturnbull]

YES!

[Chi27]

Aeryn said in TWWW that there was no longevity to relationships and the birthings to flll the ranks was assigned. Some people say that the purpose of the stasis is to act as birth control because having a bunch of pregnant females on the battlefield during a long battle can be detrimental to a unit. That could be so. Here the woman could get pregnant and continue on in her duties because the fetus is not growing inside her and will not grow until a surgeon releases it. But supposedly after 7 cycles, the stasis will break down and the fetus will start growing on it's own regardless.

Then there's the argument that the PKs use a long-term birth control like an injection or implant and the stasis acts as back-up.

In my opinion, I prefer the second possibility. It makes it possible that Aeryn conceived because of birth control failure due to the fact that she has never had a chance to replace it once she was on the run with John and the crew.

With regard to Xhallax and Talyn, I never could wrap my brain around how she was able to have a stasis released without authorization. The only way to reconcile it is to consider that the writers didn't come up with the stasis until S4. When we are first introduced to Xhallax when she comes to little Aeryn's bed side, we are led to think that Xhallax and Talyn conceived Aeryn on purpose and that the baby was actively growing inside Xhallax from the start.

[mjwillia]

I agree with you 100% Chi27!

Wish I could write as well as you!

[Spedoinkel]

Well Xhallax could have found a diagnosian while off on a misison, and had them undo the stasis.

[Nicola]

With regard to Xhallax and Talyn, I never could wrap my brain around how she was able to have a stasis released without authorization. The only way to reconcile it is to consider that the writers didn't come up with the stasis until S4. When we are first introduced to Xhallax when she comes to little Aeryn's bed side, we are led to think that Xhallax and Talyn conceived Aeryn on purpose and that the baby was actively growing inside Xhallax from the start.

Both Xhallax and Talyn were PK members in good standing (at that point) I don't see why when breeding rotation came around for Xhallax that a little hint or two here and there or a favour for a friend wouldn't have influenced the choice of releasing the fetus.

Especially if Xhallax and Talyn were in a very long term relationship - then the only foetus's (how do you pluralise that anyway?) she would be carrying would be Talyns.

I do agree with you mostly - except for the part about the foetus growing automatically after seven cycles. PK's are a very pragmatic bunch and I think that if the foetus hadn't been released after seven cycles then the females body would be programmed to get rid of it.

Obviously if in seven cycles it hasn't been released than something either in the environment or in the foetus itself is not condusive to survival.

[Chi27]

I do agree with you mostly - except for the part about the foetus growing automatically after seven cycles. PK's are a very pragmatic bunch and I think that if the foetus hadn't been released after seven cycles then the females body would be programmed to get rid of it.

Obviously if in seven cycles it hasn't been released than something either in the environment or in the foetus itself is not condusive to survival.

When you think about it one way, it makes sense that the PK's wouldn't waste the potential of new life coming into the Peacekeepers which is why perhaps after 7 cycles, the fetus starts growing. On the other hand, you can figure well the Eidelons put a time limit on how long the fetus could exist in stasis after which it aborts. It would be a fail-safe to prevent unwanted births.

The nurse in "Prayer" explained the stasis to Jenek. She does say something about the Sebacean female can carry a stasis for up to 7 cycles before triggering gestation or something to that effect. That sounds to me like she's talking about the pregnancy becoming active after 7 cycles because the stasis breaks down. Others may interpret it differently.

[otherunicorn]

The nurse in "Prayer" explained the stasis to Jenek. She does say something about the Sebacean female can carry a stasis for up to 7 cycles before triggering gestation or something to that effect. That sounds to me like she's talking about the pregnancy becoming active after 7 cycles because the stasis breaks down. Others may interpret it differently.

Actually, for whatever reason, I thought they stated that the foetus was "reabsorbed" or whatever after 7 cycles. As for the stasis idea being far-fetched, there is natural precedence. Apparently the Australian kangaroo does exactly this.

Ken

[mjwillia]

I'm with Ken on this one. I thought the nurse ment that after 7 cycles the fetus would be reabsorbed. I knew that Kangaroos can hold a fetus in stasis while another baby is in the pouch is this true of all marsupials?

Since we find out in PK wars that Sebaceans came from earth and that they were genetically modified by the Elions to become what they are now, I suppose the "stasis thing" could have been built into PK females - but I still don't like it particular solution to fertility. I suppose the Elions could have used Kangaroo DNA in their Sebacean-creation...

[fandom]

I suppose the Elions could have used Kangaroo DNA in their Sebacean-creation....

I think that when Aeryn explains it John, she says something like 'those born in a command carrier can keep a fetus for seven cycles.'

If sebaceans not born in the military can't do it, it looks like it wasn't something the Eidolons did, but a later alteration done by the peacekeepers themselves.

[mjwillia]

Fandom,

Yep, you are absolutley right... Aeryn did say that...

Seems to me it would be easier to inject or implant a long lasting contraceptive then screw around with half the fleet's DNA...

Thanks!

[Spedoinkel]

Gotta do something on those Gammak bases.

[mjwillia]

Gee - I don't know... As Chiana put it: "The ratio of men to women" looked pretty good to her!

[PKTechDude]

Yondalao specifically said the race they found to create the Peacekeepers was found on "this galaxy's outermost spiral." To me, that implies that the original Peacekeeper homeworld is in fact Earth. :cool:

Actually, for whatever reason, I thought they stated that the foetus was "reabsorbed" or whatever after 7 cycles. As for the stasis idea being far-fetched, there is natural precedence. Apparently the Australian kangaroo does exactly this.
Yup, that's precisely what the Peacekeeper nurse said in that episode (just saw it a few days ago). :) Also, good point about the kangaroo.

[DJJ]

Well Peacekeeper High Command has most certainly screwed around with PK DNA, it only affects female PK's and i would asume the baby aborts after 7 cycles, because what if they are in battle when the stasis breaks??

And i think that Aeryns parents were assigned and that Xalax made it seem like that their baby wasn't conceived in love