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AgentSun
11-23-2005, 04:15 PM
From Associated Press.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051123/ap_on_re_us/southern_identity_accents



By JEFFREY COLLINS and KRISTEN WYATT, Associated Press Writers 25 minutes ago

COLUMBIA, S.C. - "Y'all" isn't welcome in Erica Tobolski's class in voice and diction at the University of South Carolina. And forget about "fixin'," as in getting ready to do something, or "pin" when talking about the writing instrument.

Tobolski's class is all about getting rid of accents, mostly Southern ones in the heart of the former Confederacy, and replacing them with Standard American Dialect, the uninflected tone of TV news anchors that oozes authority and refinement.

"We sort of avoid talking about class in this country, but clearly class is indicated by how we speak," she said.

"Many come to see me because they want to sound less country," she said. "They say, 'I don't want to lose my accent completely, but I want to be able to minimize it or modify it.'"

That was the case for sophomore Ali Huffstetler, who said she "luuuvs" the slow-paced softness of her upstate South Carolina magnolia mouth but wants to be able to turn it on and off depending on her audience.

"I went to New Hampshire to visit one of my best friends and all they kept saying was, 'Will you please talk, can you just talk for me?'" Huffstetler said. "I felt like a little puppet show."

Across the fast-growing South, accents are under assault, and not just from the modern-day Henry Higginses of academia. There's the flood of transplants from other regions, notions of Southern upward mobility that require dropping the drawl, and stereotypes that "y'alls" and "suhs" signal low status or lack of intelligence.

But is the Southern accent really disappearing?

That depends what accent you mean. The South, because of its rural, isolated past, boasts a diversity of dialects, from Appalachian twangs in several states to Elizabethan lilts in Virginia to Cajun accents in Louisiana to African-influenced Gullah accents on the coasts of Georgia and South Carolina.

One accent that has been all but wiped out is the slow juleps-in-the-moonlight drawl favored by Hollywood portrayals of the South. To find that so-called plantation accent in most parts of the region nowadays requires a trip to the video store.

"The Rhett-and-Scarlett accent, that is disappearing, no doubt about it," said Bill Kretzschmar, a linguist at the University of Georgia and editor of the American Linguistic Atlas, which tracks speech patterns.

"Blame it on the boll weevil," he said, referring to the cotton pest. "That accent from plantation areas, which was never the whole South, has been in decline for a long time. The economic basis of that culture started going away at the turn of the last century," when the bugs nearly wiped out the South's cotton economy.

Even as the stereotypical Southern accent gets rarer, other speech patterns take its place, and they're not any less Southern. The Upland South accent, a faster-paced dialect native to the Appalachian mountains, is said to be spreading just as fast as the plantation drawl disappears.

"The one constant about language is, it's always changing," Kretzschmar said. "The Southern accent is not going anywhere. But you have all kinds of mixtures and changes."

For a long-term study on whether the Southern accent is disappearing, University of Georgia linguists went to Roswell, Ga., an Atlanta suburb that is just the kind of transient place that leads to the death of indigenous dialects. It's packed with strip malls and subdivisions with no cotton patches or peach trees in sight.

"I don't hear it," 21-year-old Roswell native Amanda Locher said of the accent. She's never lived outside the South, but even Northern newcomers question her Southernness. "People tell me I sound like I'm from up North. To hear a true Southern accent, you'd have to go deeper south than here."

Adam Mach, a 25-year-old tire shop worker who moved to the Atlanta suburbs from Lafayette, La., has got a noticeable Louisiana lilt. But he said his accent seldom makes conversation because the area is such a melting pot of newcomers.

"Everybody I meet's not from here," he shrugged.

North Carolina State University linguist Walt Wolfram said it's a misconception among Southerners that Yankee newcomers are stamping out traditional speech. More likely, he said, is that newcomers pick up local speech patterns.

"When people move here and don't think they've changed at all, they go home and people say, 'Wow. You've turned Southern.' They pick up enough to be identified as Southern. So it's still there, still strongly identified with the South," Wolfram said.

But that doesn't mean that population change in the South isn't chipping away at old-timey dialects, especially in cities. Wolfram said the "dearest feature" of the Southern accent — the vowel shift where one-syllable words like "air" come out in two syllables, "ay-ah" — is certainly vanishing. Other aspects — such as double-modal constructions like "might could" — are still pervasive.

Kretzschmar, who has recorded Roswell speakers for three years, said his suburban Atlanta studies have backed up his suspicion that the Southern accent is morphing along with the urbanizing South.

"It's not really disappearing, but the circumstances of living make it different," he said. "People don't have connections with their neighbors to maintain their way of speech.

"The circumstances of how people get together and talk in the cities have changed; they're not constantly talking to people who talk just like them. But in the South outside the cities, you have a lot of similarities."

Georgia-bred humorist Roy Blount Jr. understands that people with strong Southern accents are often perceived as "slow and dimwitted." But he thinks it's "sort of a shame" that people should feel the need to soften or even lose their accents.

"My father, who was a surely intelligent man, would say `cain't'. He wouldn't say `can't.' And, `There ain't no way, just there ain't no way.' You don't want to say, `There isn't any way.' That just spoils the whole thing," Blount said.

"I just think that there's a certain eloquence in Southern vernacular that I wouldn't want to lose touch with ... you ought to sound like where you come from."

But never fear. There are still plenty of professions that thrive on a good Southern twang — from preachers to football coaches to a certain breed of courtroom litigators.

And South Carolina's Tobolski, an Indiana native who came south eight years ago, can help there, too. As a private coach she has even taught a politician she wouldn't name how to ratchet up his Southern accent to make him appear more folksy before certain crowds — a technique she calls "code switching."

"He didn't want to lose his dialect entirely. He just wanted to be able to adapt."

"I don't think that any regional accent is going to be eliminated," she said. "There's still people who want to hang on to how they sound. That's who they are. That's their identity. And that goes from New Jersey to Minnesota to Wyoming to Georgia."

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In october I was in Nashville, Tenn. and the other southerners' (I'm from Northern VA so yes, I guess I'm still southern) accents were getting thicker by the minute!

TheBladeRoden
11-23-2005, 04:32 PM
Forget Southern accents, we need a dialect coach for my Chinese multimedia teacher.

DRD2001
11-23-2005, 04:49 PM
Southern I understand. Some of the accents "created" by music and media, I don't understand at all. Regardless, where I sit, there is no shortage of southern accents.

Owlman
11-23-2005, 05:11 PM
I'm told I don't have an accent, but I still use plenty of Texas words.

who45
11-23-2005, 06:26 PM
I was born and raised in the South, but its funny because when anyone meets me for the first time they think that I am not from here. My Southern accent does, however come out in full force when I am really mad...er so I've been told. :lol

scrape_medic
11-23-2005, 06:37 PM
Thats cause you are well edumakatid Who......anyrates you type in southern.

So do I for that matter, Southern English

who45
11-23-2005, 06:43 PM
anyrates you type in southern.

:rollin: yeah I must confess I do....and so does some other Southerners that we know...I'm just sayin. ;)

BrowderChick
11-23-2005, 08:40 PM
My accent is just fine. :D

Owlman
11-23-2005, 10:16 PM
Though I am a born and raised Texan, apparently I talk like somebody from Iowa, ie, no accent what so ever. Non-Southerners may think otherwise.

My father worked very hard to eliminate his, so maybe I picked it up there.

I lived with rednecks all through college, and still didn't pick up any.

eta_carinae
11-23-2005, 11:13 PM
I don't understand how people can say you have no accent. I mean, everybody does. We all say words differently. You might not hear it cause you're used to it where you live, but to someone who doesn't live there, it sounds different...

AgentSun
11-23-2005, 11:54 PM
i think it's all about where you're from...here in northern va, i don't have an accent. but if you're put into the deep south where EVERYONE has an accent, then YES YOU HAVE AN ACCENT! Same as if you put a Californian in with a bunch of people from the east, or a Boston native with some people in the midwest. Everyone has an accent but it's only noticeable when you're around people that don't have it.

MarkTwo
11-24-2005, 04:16 AM
Hi AS

I know one Aussie doctor who worked in America, who had to say her surname with an American accent for people to understand her. She was talking to a check out chick in Texas who loved her accent. She said, "Gee I wish I had an accent".

Mark

Remoor
11-24-2005, 07:53 AM
Southern accents will live forever ... in certain states.

TINemo
11-26-2005, 09:20 PM
Ben Browder(at 2005 Burbank con) said that although he was born in Tennessee and raised in the Carolinas he has worked to rid himself of his southern accent.

However, in Farscape(as we all know)John used a lot of southern expressions and Ben deliberately got more southern when stressed. Now on SG1 they want his accent as Cam Mitchell to be somewhat southern so he has complied.No good deed goes unrewarded. Writers on Gateworld said he had the worst fake southern accent ever.

There's just no pleasing some folks.

AgentSun
11-26-2005, 11:34 PM
if they wanted him to get his real southern accent back, they should've just given him a month vacation and made him live in the deep south.

Mrelia
11-27-2005, 12:25 PM
I, too am a native Texan with "No Accent". At least until I'm mad or need help from tech support. It's amazing how well people in other parts respond to just the slightest bit of helpless country girl in the voice.

It drives me nuts to think that many outside Texas associate that dreadful Midland nasal whine with all of Texas. There's a wide variety of regional accents in this great state.

One of my favorites was exemplified by this older lady I used to work with. She grew up in the heavily Germanic Fredericksburg area. I loved it when she'd come in and say, "Oh, hello 'dere", sounding just like Ludwig von Drake. She says that until WWII, the schools were bilingual because so many children only spoke German. You can still hear the hybrid German/Southern accent in the locals.

TINemo
11-27-2005, 08:14 PM
Actually I think he has made it home (to the Carolinas ) a few times and his Mom was at the Saturn awards, so he should have had a bit of practice. ;)

NYPinTA
11-28-2005, 12:34 PM
I get very 'Southern' when drunk... which is odd since I was born and raised in upstate NY. :dunno:

Past life maybe? :eh: ;)

Owlman
11-28-2005, 12:56 PM
I may not have much of an accent, but I do like to play the spoons occasionally.

vinity
11-30-2005, 05:14 PM
Ben Browder(at 2005 Burbank con) said that although he was born in Tennessee and raised in the Carolinas he has worked to rid himself of his southern accent.

However, in Farscape(as we all know)John used a lot of southern expressions and Ben deliberately got more southern when stressed. Now on SG1 they want his accent as Cam Mitchell to be somewhat southern so he has complied.No good deed goes unrewarded. Writers on Gateworld said he had the worst fake southern accent ever.

There's just no pleasing some folks. I hate to break it to Ben but he still very much has his hometown accent. I was raised right near him and what I hear as his normal speech is pretty close to what it still is there for most of the population. Certainly you also hear the thicker southern accent he does also.

Frankly I've always been surprised he hasn't lost more accent than he has? Leaving the southland in his early twenties and spending time in UK and Ca it's still pretty strong. I left around the same age and moved up and down the east coast. I lost a good deal of my accent, but living back in NC in my 40's it's back pretty strong.

Frankly, I like a southern accent. What I need is for the rest of the world to slow their speech down! :lol Most times I can't follow.

It's a riot to listen to my husband. He's a southern raised doc and his accent changes with who he's speaking to. Most patients relax more if he has stronger southern accent {and this is a good thing as he's an Onc doc}, when he speaks to other Docs his accent fades. It's totally unconscious. Patients prefering his southern accent was true even more so when we were up north. This contradicts what the article was saying that people with southern accents were regarded as not as bright or uneducated.

I would think the issue of intelligence would be less the actual accent and more the colloquialisms.

eta_carinae
11-30-2005, 06:30 PM
I get very 'Southern' when drunk... which is odd since I was born and raised in upstate NY. :dunno:

Past life maybe? :eh: ;)

:lol

ctheokas
12-01-2005, 06:57 AM
I think southern accents are homogenizing until there's going to be basically one southern accent (in a few generations, of course). I was raised mostly in the south (I'm a military brat, so it was all over), and in the more rural parts, accents were thick and varied. But in the more "urban" areas, they tended to sound a lot alike, no matter where I went (so a Greensboro, NC accent sounded very similar to an Atlanta accent).

TINemo
12-01-2005, 02:39 PM
It was interesting how *American* Gigi and David spoke during Love Letters. I remember Gigi saying at first TPTB couldn't decide if Chianna was to speak standard American, Brit, Aussie or something else.

Anth , too, can speak just fine *American - as in TV pronounciation on news for example-- but he gets excited (or sings) it just gets more and more Aussie.

I'm raised in the frozen tundra of Wis and never lived in the South but if I'm there for a bit I pick up some.

Wouldn't it be boring if we all sounded exactly the same?

kymom5613
12-16-2005, 10:24 PM
The way I used my accent to my advantage was when in purchasing...The sales person on the other end (invariably in NY or Chicago or some other God-forsaken Yankee town - hee hee, just kiddin'!) would automatically deduct 30 or so IQ points. Then when they would give me bad information, off would come the gloves and they'd be blindsided. Goes to the judging books by their covers or something being bad... It is true, however, that when in distress, men will GENERALLY go out of their way for a l'il ole gal with a prawblem, "hon, would y'all mind heylpin me please???" (And you KNOW who you are!!! hahaha!)
My favorite Southern accent is either middle Georgia or Charleston, SC (more British inflections there).
Favorite accent period is Aussie...End of discussion - I'd LOVE to go there for a few months and come back sounding like I'd lived there all my life (I pick up accents really quickly)!

TheBladeRoden
12-16-2005, 10:35 PM
Funny, I come across more Australian accents here than Southern ones.

BrowderChick
12-16-2005, 10:43 PM
There arent too many varying accents here upstate. But go to NYC and you hear several different ones. All northern though. Watch a ROCKY movie... :lol

I love an accent though. Maybe because its so different from the way I speak. My nephew lived in Australia for about 7 months and came back speaking just like he did when he left. Me, I talk to Kelley on the phone for an hour and I talk like her. :lol

I pick up accents very easily too.

jerseygirl
12-17-2005, 04:10 PM
There arent too many varying accents here upstate. But go to NYC and you hear several different ones. All northern though. Watch a ROCKY movie... :lol
Rocky is Philadelphia, and any true Noo Yawker will tell you that a Philly accent is completely different than a New York accent (if there is such a thing). A Philly accent is very distinctive. Listen to David Brenner, the comedian, and you can hear a real Philadelphia accent.

I have lived in the Northeast since I was seven, but when I was learning to talk I lived in Virginia, and my mother tells me I had a Southern accent at first. I lost it very quickly though when we moved north. But I still have family in Virginia. When my kids met their Virginia cousins for the first time, my older son (who was about 9 at the time) couldn't believe that people actually said "y'all". He said he thought it was a myth! (What can I say, he's a weird kid.)

AgentSun
12-17-2005, 05:18 PM
I think it all has to do with where you're from in Virginia. Central to southern Virginia you get a lot of 'y'all's. In northern Virginia, outside D.C. you don't get it. In fact, the closer you are to D.C. the chances are more likely that people won't have accents at all.

I don't have an accent. I've lived in northern VA all my life. I go to school in central VA though and everyone from VA who is not from my area has an accent.

Devnull
12-17-2005, 06:17 PM
I love being an American and a Californian. My form of English is understood the world over due to the power of the American media. I've never been told I have an accent, but obviously everyone does. I do feel my English has suffered slightly though, in the form of taking on a bit of Spanglish.

I find a lot of southerners don't have much of a southern accent, just a general American accent like I'm used to hearing. They do however use lanaguage such as "doooh whut nahw?" when I wasn't asking them to do anything :p

BrowderChick
12-17-2005, 07:40 PM
Rocky is Philadelphia, and any true Noo Yawker will tell you that a Philly accent is completely different than a New York accent (if there is such a thing). A Philly accent is very distinctive. Listen to David Brenner, the comedian, and you can hear a real Philadelphia accent.

I have lived in the Northeast since I was seven, but when I was learning to talk I lived in Virginia, and my mother tells me I had a Southern accent at first. I lost it very quickly though when we moved north. But I still have family in Virginia. When my kids met their Virginia cousins for the first time, my older son (who was about 9 at the time) couldn't believe that people actually said "y'all". He said he thought it was a myth! (What can I say, he's a weird kid.)
I was born and raised here. I have lived here all my life. I also pronounce it New York.

I wasnt refering to any specific accent. I was refering to all the many different ones all together. Bronyx, Brooklyn, Long Island, Upstate, Buffalo. All the accents are different.

I was refering to the ROCKY thing because of the Italian accent over all.

jerseygirl
12-18-2005, 10:10 AM
I was refering to the ROCKY thing because of the Italian accent over all.
You're right about that. "Fuggeddaboddit" could come from just about anywhere in the urban Northeast.

I usually think of my speech as pretty much unaccented, but when I heard Gigi Edgley refer to her Chiana voice as a "North American Mid-Atlantic" accent, it really struck me that we all have accents, we just can't hear our own.

BrowderChick
12-18-2005, 12:51 PM
You can get someone from Brookyn and then you hear the same accent in Buffalo. Its not so much as an accent but a way of speach. I think its the "tough" talk. :lol

I understand about how we cant hear our own accents. Ive talked to my cousin in MI and he has the same accent that I have. None. :lol

TINemo
12-18-2005, 07:38 PM
If you watch CNN or better yet the Fox news channel, every time they interview some police officer or sheriff who is dealing with a missing person,or whatever you tend to get very strong accents. I doubt if they even know how they sound to us northerners--it's what they hear all day long.

Anyone(usually) who wants to make it in the broadcast media trains themselves to *standard American*---although some *foreign* correspondents(I'm thinking Christinanna Ammanpour(sp?) or someone speaking from the UK or such of course sound like their countrymen. And why not?

If we Americans can't agree on pronounciation(listen to our Pres. especially if he's home at the ranch in Texas)--why should the rest of the world agree? As long as I can understand you, it's fine with me. Lord knows I can't speak any other language fluently or hardly at all --nor read or write it, so who am I to complain?

jerseygirl
12-19-2005, 07:31 PM
Who was that famous person who said that the British and the Americans were two nations divided by a common language? Winston Churchill maybe?

ScaperByHeart
12-20-2005, 02:30 AM
I was born in Texas, and have lived in Texas all my life, and I know that I have an accent. However, there was a time for 6 months that I was based in Chicago, and whenever I asked anyone home in Texas if they wanted a "soda" they thought I had changed my accent, when only I had used another word. :D It is about where you are, and being proud of who you are. I love hearing other people talk and listening to what regions of the world they are from. I LOVE to hear British and Aussie accents the most!!! ;)