**BIG SPOILER** - Final Episode Discussion - **BIG SPOILER**

[louisj23]

Well, I just read only a few posts regarding this so hopefully I'm not repeating anything.
The few posts that I read said "What a way to end it all" and "Fantastic Episode!!" and all that I can say is...BS!!!
Sure for 42 out of 43 minutes it was a great episode but then it was like everyone got writers block and said "We need to end this in one minute" and came up with a weak ass idea...
I can't think of the title of the episode (it was like 4x15 or so) but when the creature came abord Moya and took everyone's major strength away, what they took from John was his ability to never give up and Aeryn's strength to keep it all together and then all of a sudden they're both fine with kissing it all goodbye without even a bit of alarm in their voices and just be like "Oh, we don't know who or what that is but I guess it's here to kill us...OK, that's fine, *sigh*" give me a break.
The other thing that I want to know is where the hell were they and where did they get a boat!!!????

[JasonF]

They were on a planet called Qujaga. That's what Noranti called it anyway.

You seem to be having similar problems with that episode as myself. While I won't go as far as to call it BS, something definately didn't click with me. The fact that they didn't at least try and make a run for Moya when they had a good 45 seconds to do so just felt really, really out of character. Even if they were still to get shot on the way back, I think I would have been OK with it.

This especially got me thinking back to "Prayer", when Aeryn said that she would do anything to save her child. She seemed pretty adimate about it at the time, but in the final moments of 4x22, it seems as though she just completely forgot about the baby. Apparently Crichton was cool with with it too. Say all you want about them being content with their lives at that moment and at peace, but I don't buy it. To me it just feels like they cheated a little. It's not the first time they've cheated, and most of the time I can let it go, but this was way too obvious.

A thought crossed my mind, though. In "Prayer" we also heard Aeryn say that she would make a deal with anyone to save her baby. I can't help but wonder if this has something to do with a deal she made. It kind of bothered me that they never went back to that statement, and perhaps thas was it. Maybe she knew they were all somehow going to be OK...

In any case, I haven't been able to watch a full episode of Farscape in almost a week. Something about that ending made the rest seem almost irrelevant; I'm not sure if that makes any sense... I'm still trying to figure it out...

[louisj23]

Well, on another post someone said that you need to watch "Look at the Princess" episodes and it'll all make sense and know that it's not over so I need to do that cause I can't think of what he means

[Farscape Fiend]

:mad:

I agree with both of you. The episode was kick ass until that last minute. What a weak way to end. Henson is going to have pull something out in order to bring that back. The only feasible story line that I can think of is that Pilot figures a way to open a worm hole and head backward in time to save Aryn and John. Or somehow Scorpius figures out wormholes, but not totally figures it out and that way he goes and rescues the two of them. This was such a let down to end the show. I bet those assholes at SCI FI probably had something to do with the way the show ended. I usually don't bother to engage in these chat sites, but that episode left me so damn mad. I hope that Jim Henson and the writers of the show figure it out.

Very UPSET AND AGRY FARSCAPE FIEND.

[louisj23]

Completely, I registered to this just to start this thread. Glad to know that I'm not alone in this.
Anyone figure out where they got the boat yet?? and don't tell me they picked it up on Earth either when they got John his TV and chocolate cause I really don't think John was thinking "Oh crap, I need a boat" Not like this is a big deal but it's bugging me just lke the rest of the weak ending

[JasonF]

Originally posted by louisj23
Anyone figure out where they got the boat yet??

A lot of times in Farscape, they have certain things happen when we're "not looking", so to speak. Just because we didn't see them buy a boat at any point in time doesn't mean they couldn't have picked one up back in season 1. Just imagine how boring it would be if they made us watch the crew do all their shopping...

[louisj23]

ok,ok fine. God knows they might have needed a boat

[JasonF]

Originally posted by louisj23
Well, on another post someone said that you need to watch "Look at the Princess" episodes and it'll all make sense and know that it's not over so I need to do that cause I can't think of what he means

I think they were reffering to how they could be "fixed" (not exactly Humpty Dumpty...). I'm not quite positive what they were hinting at, but I can think of many ways they can still be alive for Season 5.

[louisj23]

I also just watched it again and listened to the ending and before they get blasted the voice on the radio intructs the fighter to "Neutralize invaders for futher analysis" I didn't even bother to listen to that before cause I was to preoccupied with everything else. OK, so were they invading on someone's planet? So, do the aliens get a big dust-buster, pick up John and Aeryn and put them back to gether for analysis? I guess only season 5 will tell

[jon]

I thought the season finally was brilliant. I look at this way, time has been an element of the series since it began, and has become apparent in the fourth season more than any other point in the series.

If I were Crichton, I'd be more than a little frustrated that every time Aeryn and I shared something together, something would frell the whole thing up.

I think both of them decided that it was THEY'RE time, and they were going to take it. People aren't always rational, or consistent, remember that.

[Farscape Fiend]

Jon,

I disagree with that line of thinking because everything leading up to that would indicate that Aeryn would want to live. Look at the hell that she put up with to survive the Scarran captivity. And then episode 4x21 she acitvated the fetus. I mean come on if you had a chance to save your child, no matter how illogical, irrational or inconsistent wouldn't you do it.


“The future is around us waiting in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.”

FF

[jon]

I'm aware of the conflict, but I'm seeing several things here:

1. There's no way that they could have gotten back to the ship in time.
2. Both of them are tired of fighting.
3. Every good thing in their lives has been tainted by the motivations of depraved villains. Allowing themselves to savour their time together provides them with a kind of victory over all the people that have stolen from them.
4. While Aeryn's child may be important to her, it wouldn't exists without her relationship with Crichton. I think both of them made a choice that they were going to die together. This for me supports their final, admittedly unwise decision to not make a go for the ship.
5. Based on the assumption that they wouldn't be able to make it to the ship on time, they may very well have made the decision to die on their own terms, in peace. Both made the decision to no longer be pawns, even if that meant sacrificing themselves in the process.

[||Scorpius||]

My take on it is, they gave the shippers what they wanted: perfect happiness for J, A, and J/A Jr.
That was a turning point; an ending of sorts.

Then they come in and pull a big mindfrell, and ta da! We have a great cliffhanger for season five.

J and A are not dead. Please! This is Farscape. Science Fiction (sort of--well anyway). They can do whatever they like. There are lots of ways they could be brought back. The fragmenter device that blew them to M&Ms could reconstitute them. Neutralise does not = Terminate. They could go back in time using wormholes. They could be in a UR. Come on folks, the PTB are laughing up their playing card and dagger stuffed sleeves!

Remember that this was not meant to be the END of Farscape. But with that last *Gotcha!* mindfrell, they made a good 'temporary ending'. I think they had a good mix of closure and openness to the rest of the story there.

It is supposed to be frustrating, infuriating, sad, happy, tragic, comic---yes, comic. I mean, I can't be the only one who laughed that they blew them away in their happiest moment.
That was just...SO FARSCAPE. So John Crichton's luck, you know? How perfect.

But there is no way they are really dead. If they are, they'll bring them back somehow.
And if they really were dead, what a way to go!

(but they are not! :D)

THey thought they had a season five when they wrote this.

[Farsight]

This feels weird to type, but...

I totally agree with ||Scorpius||. :)

The whole point of that ending was to show how they could survive all the devious plotting and life-threatening escapades of four years, and then get blasted out of nowhere by someone they've never met. It was the summation of the point that it's all about timing.

re: How'd they get a boat? Who cares? I assume they have boats on other planets... seemed to me they just picked one up recently. Perhaps John got it precisely to have for the moment of his proposal, so everything would be perfect.

He should never have raised his fist to heavens and screamed "SCREW YOU!"... Oops. :)

They had nowhere to run to. They had only a few seconds between when the ship appeared, and when it swooped in on them. Whether they made a run for it or not, they were going to be sitting ducks. So they decided to hold each other and hope that the ship wouldn't do... what it did.

If I hadn't known that there was no episode 501 in production, I probably would have enjoyed the irony a bit more. Instead I was just really pissed, because instead of that being one heck of a cliffhanger, SciFi has done their best to make it the last scene of the story. And TV doesn't deserve to exist if that holds up.

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this is what i posted at another board.

well its anoying because season 4 ended at a cliff hanger ending, and its not like we dont accept it has to end at sum point, but season five had a written ending to it. We just want a season 5 to finish it off!

Think that sums up my views neway!

[Bettie Laven]

I haven't been to this site in a few weeks...I thought the last episode will be this coming Friday 3/21. Are you getting a preview of something off another source? Every time I see a Sci Fi Channel ad for the next set of Friday shows, I get sick. These people are just morrons.

[Keen]

Originally posted by Bettie Laven
I haven't been to this site in a few weeks...I thought the last episode will be this coming Friday 3/21. Are you getting a preview of something off another source? Every time I see a Sci Fi Channel ad for the next set of Friday shows, I get sick. These people are just morrons. The BBC in England shows the season finales before the SciFi channel does. Ripping groups then encode these eps, and they're released to the internet.

[Keen]

Originally posted by louisj23
Anyone figure out where they got the boat yet?? and don't tell me they picked it up on Earth either when they got John his TV and chocolate cause I really don't think John was thinking "Oh crap, I need a boat" Not like this is a big deal but it's bugging me just lke the rest of the weak ending If you rewatch the eps 4x12-4x13 (when they were on Earth), you can infer that John likes fishing, so I think he brought it aboard for that. Someone (either here or on another board), suggested that it was from a fishing trip John and his Dad took.

[ljenab]

Well, as one of the lucky ones who's seen the British broadcast of 4x22 via usenet, I was going to start a thread but held off till the rest of this continent had seen it. Now that conversations are up and running, I can't hold off any longer.

First of all, I agree that there's no way that Aeryn and John are dead. As other posters have pointed out, even discounting the obvious fact that there isn't any FarScape without A & J, there is simply too much plot evidence otherwise (the "sampling" comment, especially). This is (or would have been) simply the next impossible situation in which they found themselves. In the last scene, I felt the familiar FarScape tension--the need to see A & J together, expressing their love, but the cynical (and plot-driven) need to keep making them prove that love by inserting impossible obstacles in between them. The only problem, really, is that they've done it so often that I was just sitting there, waiting for something to eat them, shoot them, etc. The unpredictable is now, well, to be expected.

As for the scene itself, maybe I'm a sucker, but I just about died when A, realizing that J was going to propose rather than reject her, started weeping. OK, forget maybe, I'm a sucker. Claudia Black is the best actress on TV, and I believed every second of the scene. My problem (I know I'm not alone in this, er, boat) is that I can't stand the thought of that being the way we leave A & J forever. I read an interview with CB in which she said that she expected a lot of frustration with how the series leaves the two lovers. She thought the audience would have enough sense to know that, after all this, they'd end up together. Until I hear otherwise, that's what I'll believe.

Cheers,
LJ

[farscape1211]

I too was VERY UNHAPPY with the last minute of the show. Come on ... They didn't even try to jump overboard. I think if they had just tried and gotten zapped just prior to jumping that would have been much more believable. Or tried to row away. Or even has a "What do you think ... do we have time .... some kind of exchange to show they were thinking about some way to get out of this. That would have been much closer to the spirit of the characters we've grown to love.

I know they're not dead ... the Scarrens used the word neutralize in the previous show and it didn't mean kill then either I think the language was deliberately worded that way but with that said ......

I still feel cheated. To easy of an out for Skiffy.


Disapointed.

[tel]

Season 5 has already been written & season 6 is in notes so this was all planned. Never doubt the brains behind Farscape, they know what they're doing - I think.

It did seem a bit odd that they didn't try to save themselves, but did they KNOW that Mr. Five-Eyes-Iggy-Pop-a-like was going to M&M them?

And no-one seems to have mentioned that the water of the planet they are on has regenerative properties for Moya maybe it could somehow repair them!?! 'Instant Humanoids - Just add water!'

On a seperate note, what the hell happened to pilot in season 4 we hardly saw him until the last few eps & what are everybody's thoughts on Stark being back?

:grr: I swear thats a photo of Captain Bialar Crais.

[Farscape Fiend]

Tel,

I hope that you are right about the Farscape folks being on the ball. I hope that eyeball boy does scoop them up and they regenerate them. But if you pay attention you do see some of their pieces fall into the water. Maybe they come back with a few missing fingers (I hope that is all that they lose for their sake). As for Stark being back, I do like it. I haven't really accepted Noranti as being the replacement for Zaan but I do like Souchozo (I think that's the spelling) as a replacement for Jules. If they do bring back the show I think Stark will play a big part in reassembling J & A. They did caramelized instead of vaporized so so there may be hope. I am still coming to grips with the way they ended the show. Usually I have been pretty excited and anxiuos in the way they left the shows of in the previous seasons. This time I had my jaw drop for about two minutes before I snapped out of it.

[Farscape Fiend]

Oops I hit return before I finished. Also I wouldn' t be surprised if they bring Jules back with some new technology or to cause some tension between D'argo and Chianna. I don't it's still to open ended.

P.S. SCI FI sucks big ones for leaving the show this way!!!!

[Farsight]

Lani Tupu was very busy with other work, which I'm sure made it necessarry to reduce Pilot's role somewhat. It was nice to see him get a big role in 422.

I hope we get to see what they had in store for Stark. We hardly got to see the real Stark, and didn't get to see how he would interact with John & Aeryn, two people he had ticked off (in Promises and John Quixote) pretty good. :)

[jon]

Was that even Stark though? I didn't think it was the real Stark.

I'm constantly suprised by the amount of talent out there that most people never seem to hear about, Lani Tupu as an example.

[Cujo]

I'm with 1211 on this one... why the hell didn't they just jump in the water? That's just poor writing in my opinion. Otherwise the episode rocked.

Nope, they're not dead. Will we ever find out how they live again?

Welcome to frustration land! Sci Fi will take your tickets at the door.

[Rexy]

Ok, I haven't seen this yet but I have two comments...

1. They won't be dead if the show ever comes back (so let's all hope that someone gets half a clue on how good it really is & picks it up). It wouldn't be Farscape w/o John & Aeryn.

2. Speaking as someone who is about 5 months pregnant, I just think it's kindof lame that they don't TRY to escape. You can bet your butt that if someone tried to put my life in danger (& thus the life of my unborn child), I wouldn't sit in a boat & let myself get blown up....I'd fight like hell! So, I just have a really hard time buying that.

Maybe I just won't watch the last minute! :P

[Veauger]

Ok they obviously arent dead. The wierd alien's commander didnt tell him to kill them. The guy was going to store them for examination, not blow them to bits. Rewatch the episode and watch the ending carefully before you fly off the handle.


As to where they got the boat, maybe its the same place they all keep getting new clothes from... They probably bought it.

[SEETHER]

I haven't seen it yet, but with all I've read here it seems that a lot are stuck on over anylizing the whole stand-instead-of-jump-and-swim thing.

My view is this:

first - am I correct in assuming that the craft swoops down, they see it, then it zaps them, and not something like the craft appears, makes a few strafing runs and misses, but they still just stand there, the craft doubles back and finishes the job while they wait with deer in the headlights expressions? I think there's a big difference between "ooh, what's that, hey it looks like it's coming for towar... *zap*, and being conscious of an attack and just standing there.

second - did anyone really want to see the dramatically valiant and heroic Crichton and Officer Sun buy it whith an ending of some whining, clumsy half-dive half-cannonballs into the water, grunting for air and doggie paddling towards Moya when they catch it in the back, or the dignified surprising "neutralization" to end it (for now)?

Obviously melodramatic example, but you get my point - the whole jump and swim/run for your lives thing works when you make it, but when you're going to buy it, to go out that way would come across no more dramatic or realistic than an average "extras in pk uniforms" getting toasted running away for background eye candy to fill out a battle scene.

Of course they aren't dead, unless the real final seconds of the episode were redone with some panicked post processing due to scifi's cancellization and an original warning/capture was turned into a static looking kill.

[JasonF]

It swoops down, circles above for about 30 seconds, then fires. I'm going to stick with my theory that Aeryn (and maybe John) knew what it was and knew (or thought they knew) what was going to happen. This way, it still credits the writers with the intelligence they've shown all along and it allows me to at least somewhat accept the ending. I think there will simply be 2 types of people when it comes to this ending: the ones who can accept the fact that they just gave up and sat there, and those who go "W.T.F.!!". I guess it just has to do with how one has watched the show over the past years.

(As a side note, I'm pretty confident that even I could have evaded the attack long enough to get back to the ship; much more so than most of the situations they've been in...)

[jon]

30 seconds my ass!

[JasonF]

Check it. I think it's actually more.

[Fourty_Two]

I thought it was a perfect ending. If it is the end and they "died" they died happy and together. Knowing tha it wasn't really the last episode changes that a little. It was a damn transporter of some type. Why else would it "M&M" only living tissue? It didn't do anything to their clothes and the ring. I don't mind this being the end in that respect, but there are other things I want to know...

Why does Scorpy want Noranti?
Why did Aeryn end up with Scorpy?
How the frell did Scorpy get out of the hole from What Was Lost pt2?
The Nebari?
The race that T'raltixx (from Cracker's Don't Matter) are still out there.

There are plenty more. I would just like to know.

[jon]

Okay, I was wrong. It takes aprox 1:04 from arrival of ship to "neutralization," however the boat is a good distance away, like the length of a football field.

[Vehementi]

Ugh, just watched it again. The ending is so utterly perfect. I see it as a happy ending, and the music just blows me away... from when they kiss to when they get shot. Everything is so perfect.

-V

[PrincessSierra]

I keep hearing different things...this final episode was written well before they knew the series was being cut, correct? Does anyone know if this is exactly how it ended before they decided to cut the show--to be a big cliffhanger for season 5, or was it changed and modified to be a series finale?

[Veauger]

Originally posted by PrincessSierra
I keep hearing different things...this final episode was written well before they knew the series was being cut, correct? Does anyone know if this is exactly how it ended before they decided to cut the show--to be a big cliffhanger for season 5, or was it changed and modified to be a series finale?

I have heard that there was some editing done to the episode with consideration to teh fact that it was to be the last, but that DK and crew decided to leave in the cliffhanger. Thank god they left in the cliffhanger -- its going to light a fire under a lot of people.

[PrincessSierra]

Yeah it will light a fire under people--thats a good thing. It's also nice to know that the writers did intend to bring them back to life. Knowing that makes the ending a little less sad. But then again knowing I won't find out how any time soon is pretty fricken sad. boohoo

[Roland]

So there you have it, John and Aeryn shot down, Chiana blind, Pilot just half the pilot he once were, Stark freaking out more then ever and Scorpius back in full glory. Once again the writers of Farscape has got us gasping for air. But this time we will have to hold our breath for some time before the Farscape saga resumes. And in what form that will be. Peronally I would not be to thrilled about a movie. No, I want a fifth. So lets keep the good work going. All you people in this campaign is tremendous.
All the work you have put in to save our show is fantastic. Even if it will turn out not being enough, People will allways remember this campaign. You have made your voice heard on many tv stations (incl. CNN) radio stations and magazins.

But I'm confident we will get our show back. It is just to frelling good to put on the scrap pile. And I also belive that there are one or two TV channel presidents out there that will come to that conclusion to.

Keep it up, Scapers! :aok:

[skinnyman27]

All I can say is WOW.
I found the last 5 min to be extremely intense. Anthony was just outright powerful in his expression of loss. DArgo has come a long way since the very first ep (not trusting John). I thought that was pretty evident in his show of emotion for two very close friends possibly being lost forever.
As for Rygel ......I think his comment on hearing that John had just proposed to be so him.
John's last conversation with his dad........well I pretty much lost it.
I found it to be as much of a true farscape episode as there ever could be.

As I drove through Times Square the other night I could'nt understand (as I passed a Larger than life billboard of tremers the series) how sci-fi could possibly let their greatest show go out like that. .........well that being said to the suits and Bonnie I raise this toast to you both....... :finger: :moon: :finger:

[Riverstyxx]

in terms fo a series ending, it was horrible. I mean, such a trite ending to such a well developed series? heresy. BUT, this episode was made assuming there would be a season 5. And, what a way to get people to watch the next season! I think it was a chilling and unexpected cliff hanger, and a great hook to get people to stay with the show. But, what really bothered me was SCiFi advertising it as a series finale. I mean, series finale's DON'T have "to be continued" at the end.

[Kerlin]

Running theory over on Kansas is that what actually shot them was a sort of stasis/crystallization transport. "Neutralize for analysis" and then sucked them into the alien ship somehow. What shattered was the shell and any inorganic material; i.e., their clothes, thus why the shards were black.

I'm fine with the ending, and it doesn't really bother me that they didn't jump out of the boat. I still think something's "up" with Aeryn, because it was definitely at her instigation that they ignored the alien ship; she brought John back for that final kiss. That and their attitude was one big "frell you" to the alien ship, which is kind of fitting considering what they'd been through.

[Kaelin]

I loved this last episode. The talk with Dad was my favorite part.

Seems to me they might have a hard time putting humpty-dumpty back together again when peices fell into the ocean. I can just hear John's voice when he gets re-organized, "Why are there holes in my jacket? Man! This was my favorite jacket"

[grapeshot]

What is the matter with you people!!??!!

I am reminded of something I saw posted on the Dom a little over a year ago when Crais and Talyn starburst inside the command carrier. I've taken the liberty to quote it below. It is quite apropo for the situation right now.


Here in the Uncharted Territories, we view death as nothing more than an [sic] temporary inconvenience. Annoying, but temporary nonetheless. It has been our experience that when people assume that heroes are indestructible and can never die, a certain level of what we like to call voyeuristic complacency sets in, thus rendering the feeling of suspense near impossible. We mean no offense, but as an infantile species, (from our perspective) we feel tha it is necessary to occasionally "stir the pot" as it were, in order to hold your attention. While we find your childlike awe of death somewhat endearing, to be blunt, death is a primitive concept. We prefer to think of it as fighting evil in another dimension.

Keep in mind that we specifically created this universe for John and Aeryn, as such, we will do what we feel is necessary for their emotions and spiritual growth. Entities who have everything never feel the need to learn or grow, boredome sets in and eventually they become leaders of huge evil empires bent on world domination....but we digress. If John and Aeryn have to die ccasionally and experience a little separation anxiety from time to time in order to truly appreciate one another, than so be it. In that regard, we reserve the right to kill off and bring back to life whomsoever we choose without prior notice to achieve that end.


There's more, but I'll just quote the relevant pieces:


We also appreciate the fact that the activities of late have provided more than one shock to your delicate systems, but it was our understanding that this is what kept you coming back to the Uncharted Territories week after week. We understand the need to glimpse the future to avoid subsequent shocks, but keep in mind, a little foreknowledge can be dangerous. We've made planets for a living since before the beginning. We encourage you to have faith.


This missive is signed:

Wholly Yours,
The Builders,
(Your Deities)

("Be a good Scaper, curb your Leviathan. Keep our shipping lanes clean.")

[||Scorpius||]

What is the big problem with J and A not running from the ship?
the didn't have time to get even partway back to Moya.

There they were, totally exposed, a mystery ship headed for them. They made a conscious decision that if these were their last moments together, they'd spend them embracing and kissing instead of flailing around in the water.
What's so wrong with that?
It isn't always the best move to run from an enemy; and if you are going to die anyway, die standing on your feet and defying the universe that is about to blow you away.
I think they made a good choice.

Would you really rather have seen them in a panic swimming or rowing in utter futility towards Moya, instead of kissing when they died? What they did was much cooler.

Plus...
as IF this show is *only* about John Crichton and Aeryn Sun's relationShip! If it were, it would be so dead boring! I wouldn't even be a Scaper if it were...
The whole Farscape universe does not rotate around their 'ship.
At least for a lot of us it doesn't!
*growl*

[Kaiwaz]

I am NOT a shipper. Not particularly concerned with J & A's relationship in any way other than how it influences the over all plot. So, I did not feel betrayed or hurt when they were taken out (whether permanently or temporarily).

Remember Die Me Dichotomy, which JUST came out on DVD? You'd think Aeryn was dead there, but nope.

To me, the MOST interesting thing about that moment was actually D'Argo. And that's not something I've heard anyone else mention. D just TOTALLY lost his sh** right there.

I mean, I knew they were close, but it makes me wonder just HOW important JC was to D. It also really sheds light on a lot of things that have happened since Natural Election.


As for the weird alien: yeah, in the "Princess" trilogy they said each cell gets sealed individually, meaning they are still alive. But I think this might be kind of like the alien thing in Fractures: a big mess to put back together.

If you're upset about the random squash at the end think about HOW Farscape that is, but not just how Farscape, but how life: Everything is wrapped up, all your problems seem okay and then WHAM! You get hit by a bus, or the equivelant in weird open faced aliens.

Life isn't fair, and it never HAS BEEN in Farscape either. All we can do now is gather strength and press on for a movie, mini-series or 5th season.

[AgentSun]

i think they embraced the idea that the future will be what it will be...that having one small moment of peace was more important than trying to right whatever was wrong...because they lost each other and were faced with the possibility that they would never find each other again.

and if they were going to die, then they would be together and not apart...this was an amazing scene.

[njak]

What if since they were neutralized while they were hugging and so close together, their parts got a bit mixed. When they "reconstitute" John and Aeryn maybe they each get some of each others parts, or, what if John ends up with the baby?

Enquiring minds want to know.....

[sabrina]

My favorite part was between John and his Dad. God, it broke my heart.
When John tells him that he is his hero, then... the part that made me cry like a baby.... when his dad says
"you are the heart and soul of my life"

Even now I start to tear up at that exchange.

Funniest damn thing I've seen in a while was John and Harvey having a throw down in the bunny suits! Classic!

D'Argo - WOW - I have never seen such emotion come from him before. That animal-like cry, moan of agony when he saw J&A "neutralized". My heart just broke.

Classic Rygel..."Idiot!" after John proposes.

I had so much to write on Friday. I really wish the site hadn't crashed.

[AgentSun]

the scene between john and his dad made me cry so much...::tears up:: Not again!! it was quite amazing...everything from the past was put away, to be brought to his one moment where they say goodbye...perhaps not forever, but still...::sob::

i agree, the funniest scene was definately the bunny suits...lol. does anyone have a screen cap of either one of them in their bunny suit? :;giggle::

[Roland]

here it comes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[AgentSun]

LOL!!! oh no! laughing isn't good for my sore muscles...it hurts it hurts! LOL!!!! it's even funnier that harvey is the pink bunny...and the basket!!

[vegwedge]

I don't have time to read every post in this thread right now, but I think it's all a dream. I think that John is supposed to wake up with a start and Aeryn will probably be missing again and John is just having bad dreams about how perfect everything seemes for short spurts and then gets frelled. Something like that.

that's all from me for now

vegwedge

[Zen Blade]

I certainly hope not...

Anyways, I didn't read about 2/3 of the posts... but I wanted to respond to some of the first page posts...

guys,

After the 4 years of John/Aeryn and their relationship... do you honestly think they would "swim" for it...

They were both so happy and although there was a chance that they could have made it... realistically, it wasn't much of one...
and then when Aeryn says "you and your timing"... they are both just completely content to stand their in one another's arms.
--it was great, nothing can beat it.

The Greatest endings are often not "happy endings". And I think that is part of the reason why Farscape is so great.

-Zen Blade

[sabrina]

Totally agree Zen Blade...

The two of them have been fighting to survive, going through one trial and tribulation after another, everytime they come together, something pulls them apart.

At this point, they had closure between themselves. They finally knew happiness, joy - commitment.

John knew the child was his, Aeryn finally knows that John is ready to move forward and they are engaged- sheer bliss for both of them.

I really feel like they just resigned themselves to this being it, and letting themselves live their last moments in happiness, fullfilment and love - rather than fight what would without question have been a lost battle from the start.

There was NO WAY they could have made it back to the ship. It wasn't a moter boat, they knew there was no time to paddle back.

Why, after everything they have been through, would they spend what they knew were there last seconds, trying in vain to get back to the ship when they could spend their last moments in peace and happiness looking into eachothers eyes and then sharing a final embrace and kiss. Profound, really.

[KozmikBloo]

My take is that the blast that hit them was some kind of transporter that can only transport organic material. So, the pieces that we saw crumble into the boat and spill into the water were actually their clothes. Something along those lines anyway.

[sabrina]

KozmikBloo - that's an interesting idea to ponder.
:think:

[Kerlin]

That's actually my favorite idea because it means that somewhere J&A are naked in a cell together...:D

[Roland]

I hope he didn't bring his nuke' with him! Talk about going off!!!

[sabrina]

:rollin:
Now that's really something to ponder!
:aok:

[KozmikBloo]

Originally posted by Kerlin
That's actually my favorite idea because it means that somewhere J&A are naked in a cell together...:D

lol kerlin...was thinking the same thing:D

[farscape1211]

BTW : the clothes are intact and so is the ring, I like the transporter idea but think it it's probably going to be a (vac and sac just add water ) type deal. but some pieces DID go into the water so maybe it will be a transporter. Who knows ....

[Ravensc]

For those of you that seem to be getting irate that the "ending" to Farscape was the last minute (last 2 minutes) shown. Why would you consider this the ending? why would you consider this tacked on just because it was the series finale?

Farscape has ALWAYS shocked us in the last 1-2 minutes with something that changes everything (think of the moment when Crichton tells Aeryn about Scorpy listening in on comms)... that last 1-2 minutes is ALWAYS a lead-in to the next episode. The episodes always "end" right before that teaser.

And so with this last episode. The episode, the last of season 4, ended with Aeryn and John kissing. Fade to Black. Then the teaser for Season 5 (which alas we will never see) began with the introduction of the new alien and the the neturalization of John/Aeryn.

Now, yes, I agree that they should have tried to swim to the boat, etc etc etc, but that would be discussion for Season 5... which, sadly, will not occur.

I, for one, LOVE the ending... because it WAS an ending. Earth saved, Earth severed from John (sadly), John and Aeryn together, Chiana and D'Argo together, Moya and Pilot back together, Scorpy back with his peacekeepers... perhaps Scarrans and Peacekeepers out of Crichton's hair for a moment

And then there was that last 1-2 minutes... irritating, annoying, but it could have been worse. In that last 1-2 minutes they could have created a cliffhanger like the ones they create during the season hiatus (in the middle of the season as we wait breathlessly for the January eps). Man, it could have been so much worse...

So until more Farscape is given to us (and I hope truly that it will be), I'm going to erase that last minute (or 2) in my mind and rejoice in the ending they gave us (freeze the ep just before the alien ship approaches)

Okay, so flame me now, but that's my opinion

--Ravensc

[Kerlin]

Raven, you won't find any flaming here. It's very well moderated and we tend to be, on the whole, a very civil bunch.

I read once that DK considers the season finales to be not so much season finales as introductions to the next season. What we saw was what direction fifth season would have gone in - and that makes me want to watch it all the more.

I do hope you haven't given up on Farscape so easily. It won't be given to us - we'll have to earn it, and fight for it. How much Farscape we get depends solely on us and how hard we push.

That said, I honestly can't remember if I've stated this on FMD yet, but I loved the ending. Loved as in, screamed myself hoarse, but it was that pure serendipity that is so Farscape, and that's what makes it precious.

I still really want to know what happens next, and I will treasure the image of John and Aeryn waking up naked in a cell until DK shows us what 5x01 really is.

[tel]

This may be an obvious question but did J & A know that the alien ship was going to "kill" them?

When it comes to the question of editing as far as I know the clips montage at the beginning was added after the cancellation news & the 'To Be Continued' was left on at the end as a request from either Rock / DK because it is to be continued & this is not the end & they wanted the fans to know that & I think it's also a Screw You to Sci-Fi because thier decision to cancel hasn't stopped the show, the show WILL go on & I don't care if we have to wait until the polar ice caps melt, we are getting our show back at whatever cost. I don't think the ending was changed at all because the show will have been written long before the cancellation, as I said in an earlier post Season 5 is already written. I wonder who dies at the end of season 5, It's gotta be D'Argo / Chi's turn soon.

D'Argo's grief wail or whatever was very Klingon-esque! are Klingons & Luxans related?

this is not the end, Gimme back my frelling show.

[cleverfox]

Come on folks, the PTB are laughing up their playing card and dagger stuffed sleeves!

||Scorpius|| said it very well!!!

So many possibilities -- I haven't thought to be upset over killing the main characters, because I'm too busy putting them back together again.

:finger: <John to the skies (to SciFi)?> FRELL YOU! WE'RE HAVING A BABY! (A SEASON FIVE!)

[seanfilkins86]

I think the last episode was awsome, even the ending, but what sucks is it was the last episode shown on tv and it might never show what happens next!!! that is what sucks, not the episode.

[seanfilkins86]

and one more thing, FRELL SCI FI!!!!

[ichinen]

Sheesh, obviously they were not destroyed for good. They were neutralized for examination like he said. They were "invaders" to the planet. It was just a cliffhanger ending for the season and they would have been rescued, most likely during the first episode of season 5.

[newguy]

The statement about "Neutralizing for analysis".. We dont know anything about that. As far as we know that weapon could of duplicated them into some chamber, while the pebbles are left behind in their place.. That would make more sense then a giant "dust buster" coming to scoop them up and put them back together, as a big portion of the pebbles did spill into the water and sink. I can only hope my first guess is right, or something close to it.

But then again, the ring was left behind.. Kinda stating that they were pulverized.

Man that episode sucked :( I was a gigantic fan of farscape since episode one ..I feel as if i were let down.

But on a happier note, it did say "to be continued..." implying that they already have an idea of whats next, assuming they are allowed to continue with season 5.

[itayze]

i have read this thread from the beginning ( it took me a lot of time ) .
anyway , i liked the enitre episode , a friend of mine told me it was sad , so i already knew they were going to die the moment i saw the fuc*** alien ( who is he ? , i didnt recognizehim .... )
the end was exciting , dissapoiting , sad , happy it was everything you can expect from an end of a season\series .
the kiss at the end was amazing , and to end the show with the death of the heros is dissapoiting , it was sad that they died but i was happy becuse finally j & a were completly in love , they had no troubles on there mind , just the two of them .

the ending maked the series special becuse its better then just another series with the usuall happy ending , it was diffrent , like the series itself , and what a gr8 series it was :) .

[Frunium Slip]

Originally posted by newguy
But on a happier note, it did say "to be continued..." implying that they already have an idea of whats next, assuming they are allowed to continue with season 5.

Dateline November 2002, Burbank, California

David Kemper: "We've saved the props, we've saved the costumes, we've saved most of the actors. The fifth season is written down, the sixth season is in notes. There's a feature script. I'm not giving up, and you guys... are insane."

taken from Farscape the Official Magazine No. 11

[newguy]

Yes, I agree that it was a great series (and hopefully it will keep going eventually). But then again, the death of Jon, Aeryn, and their developing child, while their crew/friends had to sit back and watch was stretching it too far. It felt like the show was leading up to a great and fullfilling future, then suddenly its over.. The producers ran out of time so they had to quickly throw together an ending.. The only thing i'm greatful for is the "To be continued" caption. I can only hope they continue it with the same characters. (at least ben and claudia, those 2 pretty much make up farscape)

But all in all, farscape has changed the way i look at a lot of things in life. That show was more then just entertainment for me.

[newguy]

Originally posted by Frunium Slip
Dateline November 2002, Burbank, California

David Kemper: "We've saved the props, we've saved the costumes, we've saved most of the actors. The fifth season is written down, the sixth season is in notes. There's a feature script. I'm not giving up, and you guys... are insane."

Oh cool, thanks :) Never seen that article. That gives some hope hehe

[Selena]

Of course the simple explanation to the way it ended is ... "IT WAS IN THE SCRIPT!!!" ... and we already know that DK et al are sadistic, sick puppies who'd planned to torture us for a number of months (summer hiatus) and had already worked out a great come back for the Season 5 first ep before Skiffy pulled the plug and the whole thing went spiralling down the gurgler without a fitting conclusion!

On the other hand picture this ... Aeryn and John ... together ... in love ... in each other's arms ... the only place in the entire universe where they feel safe and at peace because they've finally worked out all the obstactles that had previously kept them apart ... why would they want to waste precious moments in a possibly futile effort to reach Moya? Better to embrace each other and the moment and die, than go down to a watery grave - apart!

I hated the way it ended, but it ain't over till the fat lady sings and she hasn't even begun to practice her scales!

[seanfilkins86]

in one of the old episodes there was an alien that talked to chriton and he said he was an anchient, and he also said that others of his kind would be coming for him to take the wormhole knowledge form him. my point is, the alien that "KILLED" them looked a lot like that alien so it must be what he was talking about.

thats what i think anyway.

[fernschaft]

I figure the easiest way out of the episode is that it is a nightmare of either Chrichton, D'argo or Aeryn. I mean, why not? They can all have nightmares. So, then it wouldn't really have happened and things can start up the way they were before the end.

It would seem the simplest solution-- but I don't know how believable. But, the fact that they did have time to run would make sense that it was a dream. How many times do we dream and we just can't do what we know we have to?

Also, it just seemed to peaceful, too colorful. Also Moya was in the water-- I thought she hated landing on planets due to the gravity. Also, D'argo had plenty of time to go to Lolan and blast the alien ship. Also, the alien had way too many eyes (though all the aliens seem a little strange).

I could see a possible fifth season starting with Chrichton waking up from a bad dream-- maybe Harvey would be saying "Hey John, wake up-- Nightmare, man."

Could also be Aeryn's nightmare , since she had that traumatic torture experience and nightmares are part of Post traumatic stress disorder (PTSD).

Could be D'argo's, because as Captain, he has a lot of responsibility.

Though, I still think it would be best if it were Chrichton's nightmare. He could wake up and go "What the frell?" then yell for Aeryn, who would be sleeping right next to him-- whew, everything's ok.

But, not for long!!

[waltersgirl]

a dream would cheapen it all.

matter is neither created nor destroyed. simply rearranged.

[kymom5613]

OK gotta throw in my $.02!!!

First of all, as was stated, the alien craft DID NOT go past/overhead strafing. Therefore, it's not a threat, just curious. Also, J & A couldn't possible hear the alien's communications w/mother ship (?) and the statement "neutralize for further analysis" order. That being said, they would NOT have thought it necessary to make a run/swim for it. Probably thought, "Oh, lookie, SkyCam is watching...Maybe we'll show up on Channel 4!" That's MY take on it. And, as we know it was cancelled AFTER the episode was shot, the editing was only minor, as with most episodes.

As much as I was disappointed that once again J & A are frelled (seemingly anyway), and now we have no resolution (again, seemingly), I do take heart that our beloved show will return!

Oh, and PLEASE, if there are any PTB that read this, please DO NOT do a "Dallas" and make it a dream. That would cheapen it (IMVHO) beyond all words and I would lose a tremendous amount of respect for the authors! That seems a very "pat" way to resolve seemingly unresolvable situations. "Oh, they've been sucked into a giant black hole? Um, Ok, let's just MAKE IT ALL A DREAM THAT ***** HAD!!! That'll get us out of THAT without having to REALLY think of a clever way to get themselves out!" ARGH!
OK, rambling on at 5:45 is not the way to be...I'll go finish some laundry!
Thanks for listening/reading!

[fernschaft]

In my opinion, a dream or nightmare scenario is the best way out. Some magical rematerialization or something after they were killed is ridiculous. A dream would fit into either John's or Aeryn's fears of commitment and or PTSD. They are both under a lot of pressure, always facing death. A nightmare or two is highly likely.

However, I am sure that the writers already had a way out of it and were ready with a full 5th season. So, it really doesn't matter.

[Eric Satan]

a dream would be so hokey if it was that simple

but what if he wakes up from a dream and everything is seemingly allright but in reality the alien rematerialized him and has replaced his crew with biloids, they would just have to explain why Moya isn't there.... it would be so cool, the real crew could try to get him back but he would think that They were biloids and maybe kill one of them himself before he realized he was kidnaped by biloids!!!


wow, now i'm out of breath :D

[palascaper]

DK said in one of the FS magazine articles they would never do a dream like that. It would be like "resetting" and that's a copout.

It was a typical Farscape ending, and Season 5 it would have been very easily explained away.

But I think no matter if FS ended at Season 5, 6 or whatever, it would never leave us with a "finality" hearts and roses ending.

DK said in the final magazine that season 5 would have dealt with Crichton's accepting his place in the universe. Remember, Season 4 dealt with his not wanting to accept his responsibility of having the wormhole knowledge and using it to help rid the world of Scarren/PK threats. That was explicity stated in Unrealized Reality.

[PKTeacher]

Okay, gotta give my couple of pesos on this topic.

First, the boat. If anyone listened to the dialogue, I recall D'Argo (I think) saying that John had built the boat. Nice craftsmanship, btw!

Second, no dream. I will forever despise TPTB if they pull that one on us. That said, I highly doubt they'd copout like that. Remember, this is Farscape...intelligent SF! There are any number of reasons as to why and how they'd reconstitute John & Aeryn. The only thing that worries me, and this is being nit-picky, is that (if you watch closely as they fall apart in the boat) small pieces of each of them fall overboard! It's like, "Okay, here's John, but there's one little bit missing." <snerk> Anyway...whether they finish it all up in a season, mini-series, or bunch of books, I'll be right there ready to soak it all in.

-Taylor

[Bettie Laven]

Enough allready. The dream scenario is too trite for the writers who have captured our interest for all these happy years. Perhaps we should channel our energies in supporting the stalwart people who are attempting to change the corporate mind and get our show back. Write letters, call the fools and make noise! There is a great hole in the universe since FS was dumped. I want more than a bunch of books and a dictionary of interesting Farscape words. Get busy fellow Scapers!

[Grippy]

Since a lot of people said they should've jumped overboard, I picture the alien ship M&Ming them and it all falling in the water! Bad! Very bad!

Another thing that has been mentioned is them waking up with parts missing...well who says the aliens couldn't take a peek at their DNA and churn out another toe or two?

I read in Entertainment magazine a while back a quote from DK saying that when people watch 4.22 "They're going to stare at the screen in shock. Then they're going to start laughing, then they're going to start crying, then they're going to start screaming." (That's a paraphrase, but you get the idea) He knew what he was doing. They just are frelling with us like always. Me what I wonder is what the cost will be. Every time something good happens (i.e: Aeryn coming back to life) something equally bad happens. I'm just glad that we've all decided that this won't be the end, that we won't LET this be the end!

As Ben said, also in Entertainment magazine: "Farscape's like life. One day you're there, the next you get hit by a bus."

:train:

[No One]

it'll be like the original Batman movie from the 60s at the very least and most hokiest. otherwise, i just laughed at the ending. it was genius.

[gator6262]

New to this chat, not to the show. Took family on a cruise and missed the last episode. Went to the website and only 5 or 6 episodes are talked about from season 4. Can someone direct me to a site where I can read the plot of the last show. Reading this thread already has me thinking I won't like the way it ended.

[No One]

http://www.farscapeworld.com/episodes/synopsis/10422.shtml

that should get you to a synopsis of the show from farscapeworld.com. hope that's kinda what you were looking for.

[Gelfling]

I have a thought. Why does every one assume that if they did make it back to moya they would be safe. She was in the water, she could never have lifted off in time to do any good. Shes hurt, pilot is hurt. The ship flew over head once with out doing anything. So they might not expect it to do what it did. Also I don't belive Aeryn triggered the pregnancy, I got the impression that the scarrens caused it durring the torturing. As far as them jumping into the water, I liked the way it went. I think they had reached a point where they did not want to take a chance on being seperated again. If they jumped One might have made it while the other didn't. They don't want to live without the other. Dargos reaction was just amazing. It was a very powerful scene. And why didn't Noranti say something. She knew the name of the planet and the healing properties of the water so she should have know there was a danger.

[Eric Satan]

noranti's a nut bar, that's why

[No One]

great thoughts gelfling!

couldn't have said it better. but maybe some things have changed on the planet since noranti was there last. or maybe she's just nuts and was thinking of some other place, heh.

i just hope that the way they were thinking of explaining away what happened isn't as the playout of an unrealized reality. that would reek of dreams and Dallas, ugh. nope wouldn't want to go there.

[fernschaft]

I believe that the show had to be ended with finality-- they died. It is over, there are no loose ends. However, in a show like Farscape, it is very possible that they could easily be brought back to life somehow.

That episode went by very quickly, to me. The beginning with Braca's announcements and the 'previously on Farscape' section seemed to have too many things, which were never previously on the show. It was the only episode, which I had a hard time following. When they were dead (or in pieces, or crystalized, or whatever) I didn't watch it over again to see what really happened.

Therefore, all of the quick one-liners and comments made escaped me and I'm sure the 5th season would have been great. It would have made sense of it all.

[chani]

ok, after reading the season 4 companion :D

this whole thing with John and Aeryn falling to pieces was originally meant to be at the end of What was Lost-Part 1

yep you did read right, CB asked the production team if she could have a bit time off, and they did so, by bringing her back only in ep 5 and obviously changing the story :eek:

soooo, conclusion to that : they are not dead ( not that I ever thought so ) :finger:

[Farscapegoat]

Four things, three of which are pretty much add ons.
-1, maybe aliens could have reconstituted J&A from one of those M&Ms. Afterall wormhole knowledge was supposedly in J&A's baby which as we know from high school biology starts as one cell from each baby.
-2 The only way i could remotely except the ending as an unrealized reality is if John had to make an impossible choice of some kind. Either save Earth by having things go as they appear to have, or save himself,his love and his baby (Maybe other crewmembers/species etc.). Something like that.
-3 The idea that neither one wants to leave the other dead is really supported by the end of LATP Part 3. when John says (I'm paraphrasing here) "Every child should have two parents."
-4 (This is the hopefully original idea) Maybe they didn't try to get back to Moya because they didn't want Moya, Pilot, D'argo, Chi, Noranti and yes even Rygel to be killed or hurt.

I know i babbled but after reading all seven pages of this thread i'm a little Starky.

[Farscapegoat]

For my number one i meant one cell from each parent not baby. I would have edited it but when i saw it, it was too funny to change back without sharing the Wonders of a stupid typo.

[aeryns_newbe]

luisj, I completely think so...
when they were being vaporized, I started almost literally screaming, "Jump out of the frelling boat! YOu frellnicks, you frellnicks, JUST JUMP!!!!!"


But did that alien say "...for further anylysis?" If so, it just proves my Idea. which is that ... did you see that energy glow around J+A right before they were peas? I think that they were scanned, sent back to that alien's base, and like cloned or copied, or something... I actually have a fanfic about that but it's a little rated R for something, and the best I can do is offer a link.

If you want it.:fear: :wall: :smash: :franky: :boom:

[Eric Satan]

hook me up with that link

[Jeff O'Connor]

I think the episode on its own was fantastic. It, as has been posted here several times but I'd like to say it anyway, was a perfect and best example of what the show stands for. I'd like to say for the first time, the show stands for what it means to be Human. I'll explain this later, somewhere else, and I haven't even seen Season 3 or most of Season 4 yet so I don't have TOO much room to be making big judgments like this, but yeah... I think Farscape stands for what it means to be 'Human', even IF that extends to the dozens of characters other than John Crichton, his dad, his sister, and TK. I mean it... Everything, every episode about the series has to do with SOMETHING 'human'... Some aspect of the Human mind. I love it... GOD, I love it.

So, why then, Sci-Fi, did you decide it would be alright to finish the series off with an explosive SEASON finale? Is that, too, meant to be an aspect of humanity?

...The fact that no matter how hard we try, we always leave something behind?

(Wow. That felt good.)

[Strj500]

I really didn't like the fact either that they weren't even really trying to make to moya or jump in the water. I think that alien was turning them into crystals for anaylsis and he was going to put them back together.

[SuperScaper]

Sorry that I am just now posting a reply. I am new to the board and wanted to read the entire thread first to avoid being too redundant. I thought that the end of 4x22 was very apropriate to Farscape.

As I was reading the posts of others on the thread about everything being resolved between Aeryn and John, I thought back to Infinate Possibilities - Part 2 Icarus Abides when the other John was dying:

"They say... it's a lucky or an unambitious man who goes when he's ready. That said-- Scorpius is gone... I'm at peace. I don't... hurt. I... I did some good things. I'm proud of my life. And I'm with you (Aeryn). Don't worry about me... I've never felt better. "

In that episod as in 4x22 John accepted what was happening to him because or perhaps in spite of the fact that everything in his life was resolved. A truely Farscape moment in my opinion. (Although by no means an ending)

[auroraSun]

If we look at all the other season finales we see the same thing. The season finale starts the next season. I mean season two: Aeryn dies, season three:Aeryn leaves and Crichton gets wormholed back to earth, season four: both die. Each has parts which was kindly out of place, but it fit when we saw the next season. All we have to do is wait for the next season ;)

I forgot who orginally posted this, but, I too was laughing during the ending, especially when my sister started screaming and crying. All I could say was: that is soo Farscape.

[blueassbitch]

Originally posted by JasonF
This especially got me thinking back to "Prayer", when Aeryn said that she would do anything to save her child. She seemed pretty adimate about it at the time,...

A thought crossed my mind, though. In "Prayer" we also heard Aeryn say that she would make a deal with anyone to save her baby. I can't help but wonder if this has something to do with a deal she made. It kind of bothered me that they never went back to that statement, and perhaps thas was it. Maybe she knew they were all somehow going to be OK...

You know they never showed who Aeryn was talking to. It's not like her to talk to her self even if she was losing it. In 'Exodus to Genesis' she was pretty messed up but she didn't talk to herself. It could be explained as her praying, but why would you go into the story of the sebecean gods to the gods your praying to. I really think she was talking to someone...BUT WHO?!!!

[Asylum1812]

My apologies, I'm about to rant, BIG TIME!!!!!!!!

I completely agree, there was something a little abrupt about the ending. It seemed rushed somehow.

But there was some logic to the way it ended. I think Aeryn and John didn't try to escape from that ship because they had this one perfect moment in time, where they weren't running from peacekeepers or scarrans, or anything else. Like alot of people have said, these two have been cheated out of happiness time and time again. You see Aeryn's face when she looks briefly at the ship and then turns John's face to hers. She's smiling. Johns just asked her to marry him and its the most perfect moment for her. Shes happy because she doesn't have to run anymore, shes complete. If she had faced the danger, it would have spoiled the moment. Both of them knew this, and they didn't want to die frightened.

There. Perfectly logical, poetic, beautiful, and a total frelling nightmare!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Where the finale really kicks You in the guts is by showing two piles of ash with an engagement ring at the top the pile! At the best this is a very lacklustre way to end a show; at worst pure cheese!

The F crew did so well to create such a moment of bliss, and I have to admit its the way I envisioned farscape ending (in the distant future). But what it really boils down to, is they took it too far-they ruined it. All they really needed to do was freeze that moment. The ship could have fired, then the camera cuts to the couple and stops RIGHT there. You don't see them killed, which means the story is open for continuation. But at the same time, it works as a finale. Its typical farscape to have everthing with a hint of danger, even if a moment is supposed to be a happy one. And this episode would have worked on that level.

Watch Shawshank Redemption for the perfect way to end something. For creating a perfect point in time, and not going over the mark.

Phew! My therapist will be so pleased I got that off my chest! Zhaan tells me its so good to get things off your chest! Its all part of the therapeutic process. Mumble. Mumble. Mumble....:kitty:

[Adam L Garcia]

So, I've been reading a whole load of negative press on the finale episode, particulary concerning the deaths of Crichton and Aeryn.

While this ending left me breathless and heartbroken, (which exmplifies the shows ability to make you love the characters), and in a way cheated of happy ending, we must remember a couple things, (which have been probably stated more times than I can count):

1. This was the original ending, filmed before the series was cancelled, with the assurance that another season was going to follow and unchanged even after the fact.

2. We can't forget that Season 1 ended with D'argo "dying" in space; Season 2 ended with the death of Aeryn; and Season 3 ended with Moya sucked through a wormhole and Crichton effectively "alone" in space.

So with those facts in mind, we should take heart that both Aeryn and Crichton will come back to life, and the series may one day return. They should also make one realize that the finale episode was indeed on par, if not well, well above anything we've seen before. Crichton gives up Earth to save it. The sense of loss and triumph radiated through this ep. cancel each other out and expand on one another at the sametime.

It maybe one of the best episodes ever.

[Zantar]

One thign that confused me...did scorpy kill sikozu?

[Adam L Garcia]

Far from it, Scorpius and Sikozu were getting down and dirty. Sex with Scorpius, or at least what we see on Farscape is a bit... harsh.

Look back at the "Liars, Guns and Money" Trilogy, where we see Scorpius apparently strangling Natira. After a moment, he climaxes with his cooling unit popping out (clever writing if I ever saw it). If its not sex, then it is indeed some sick kind of foreplay.

So, no, he did not kill Sikozu, they were messing around.

~Adam

[Jeff O'Connor]

Yeah- if Scorpy killed Sikozu, Braca wouldn't look so disgusted. He'd be happy he was back at his old spot- you know, THE SPOT...

'Aaah. If Scorpius wants, I can be on his lap... No one else but ME!!!'

But instead, the poor, power-hungry fool with a hint of heart to him and all of it poured like molten dren on Scorpius had a face of utter disgust. He's being knocked off the steps beneath the throne, and with Sikozu replacing him, they would still be empty, too- Sikozu prefers the chair itself, just like Scorpius.

[Zantar]

I dont know Braca isnt completely heartless he may have cared watching someone die in front of him like that. Also Sikozu is a huge benefit to scorpy dead. If she is dead he coudl find out what is the exact radiation in her that causes the scarrans to die, and then possibly reproduce it. Of course he could do that with her alive too.

BTW how come people keep making these comments like braca and scorpy were lovers? did i entirely miss something?

[generic_screenname]

Call me a romantic, but I think Scorpy found a soul mate in Sikozu. They both hate the Scarrans are are trying to stop them, they are both intelligent and misunderstood by those around them, and they both like it :whip:...rough.

As for Braca, discussions like that pop up whenever two characters of the same sex stand within a foot of each other. Gays applaud it and homophobes condem it, regardless of whether or not anything is even going on. I do remember a scene in either late season 3 or early season 4 where Scorpy kissed Braca, but I think it was more of a "kiss a death" mafia sort of thing. If there is something going on, it's more of a Smithers-type than a mutual relationship. But I'd say Braca is just a Peacekeeper who was told since birth that he must be loyal to his commanding officer, and he doesn't want anyone else to take his place at Scorpius' side that he feels he earned. Either way, he doesn't seem to like Sikozu, and that would have (excuse me, WILL BE) an interesting aspect of Season 5.

[Bettie Laven]

Speaking of Season 5...Has there been any possitive results from the Save Farscape Campaign? I enjoy all the e-mail hits, but I am getting a serious Farscape withdrawal problem. Any GOOD news out there?

[jfranka]

Okay, I've watched the last 12 and read, well, most of this thread. Here is my couple o' pennies.

SPOILERS BELOW............................................

























I think that John started to paddle to Moya, (John: "Give me a break! We're in a boat!!!",) but at Aeryn's urging, stopped.

It seems to me that the title of this episode was the whole theme of the episode: it was a bad time for Braca to contact Scorpious and Moya's crew because it caused Moya's crew to throw Sikozu and Scorpy off Moya; John's timing was bad becasue he had to get Pilot to burst the wormhole bubble; Stark's timing was bad because he had to have Chiana sacrifice her sight to get the control sequence correct; John's timing was bad again because he couldn't get down to Earth from the moon to pick up his dad; the list goes on and on. The final culmination of "Bad Timing" is when J & A finally got everything cleared between them, and they are finally comfortable with each other and their relationship, some frelling alien frells it up.

I think that's why D'argo was so "vocal" at the end. Not only is he saddened about the "death" of J & A, but it is magnified by the fact that it happened just as they found the happiness from their relationship that they've been searching for. D'agro has been a part of helping John through that since day one.


Other observations: I noticed that Noranti STILL doesn't want John to be with Aeryn. In the scene where she tries to talk to John just before Aeryn comes in the room, she tries to give him drugs. When she sees Aeryn, she quickly hides the drungs and gives Aeryn a look that would kill. Finally in desparation, she throws the drugs at John. Either she really dislikes Aeryn for some reason, or she knows something we don't.

Also, no, Scorpy did not kill Sikozu. As a dominate, it was obvious that Scorpy and Sikozu were "playing." Not actual sex, but a very rough form of foreplay. (Don't knock it until you've tried it. :) :whip: )


Finally, I'm amazed at the irony of the episode title "Bad Timing." This episode was written and filmed before anyone knew of the cancellation. A very fitting title.

[CrackersDon'tMatter]

Originally posted by louisj23
Well, I just read only a few posts regarding this so hopefully I'm not repeating anything.
The few posts that I read said "What a way to end it all" and "Fantastic Episode!!" and all that I can say is...BS!!!
Sure for 42 out of 43 minutes it was a great episode but then it was like everyone got writers block and said "We need to end this in one minute" and came up with a weak ass idea...
I can't think of the title of the episode (it was like 4x15 or so) but when the creature came abord Moya and took everyone's major strength away, what they took from John was his ability to never give up and Aeryn's strength to keep it all together and then all of a sudden they're both fine with kissing it all goodbye without even a bit of alarm in their voices and just be like "Oh, we don't know who or what that is but I guess it's here to kill us...OK, that's fine, *sigh*" give me a break.
The other thing that I want to know is where the hell were they and where did they get a boat!!!????

I definitely would not call the episode BS. As far as the boat goes, Moya is a big ship, with a lot of cargo space. I'm pretty sure, from the hints in episodes after the stint on earth, that John made a wishlist and packed for the rest of his journey (I know I would). He likes to fish, so why not bring a boat. He could even have a couple of rods and reels and a tacklebox sitting around in a cargo bay somewhere, among other things. I'd have stacks of boxes of chocolate covered macadamia nuts myself (probably packed in other boxes labled as something completely disinteresting, or otherwise well-hidden from Rygel).

As to the ending of the episode itself, as I recall, all the episodes had already been finished by the time the cancellation of the show was announced. I believe that finale was aired as originally filmed, with no changes. To me, it's just another typical cliffhanger ending of a season, waiting to be resolved in the next episode. It didn't strike me as any worse than when they blew up the Gamek base with John and Dargo floating free above the burning planet. I thought that was a pretty frelled up situation myself and was slightly angry at having to wait so long to see it resolved.

This episode seems no different to me. They're on a new planet, with a species that is obviously xenophobic (sounds like another one of those important little details that Granny Triclops neglected to mention) and afraid of contamination (Peacekeepers to the nth degree, anyone?) so they came in to neutralize the possible threat.

The crystalline powder that John and Aeryn were reduced to reminded me of nothing less than an episode of original Star Trek, where an alien race could reduce the Enterprise crew into a polygon of base materials, easily crushed and destroyed. There was also a way to reverse the process...

My girlfriend was angry as well. She just wanted them to cut that final scene and let them end with a happily ever after. I say let Farscape tradition stand. Now we have yet another cliffhanger waiting to be resolved, whether through another season, or even a motion picture.

[auroraSun]

My internet connection is failing. I hope this one goes through.

I was watching season one finale with the DVD commentary, featuring Ben and Claudia, and at the time of writing the finale, the crew did not know if they would be picked up for a second season; so they wrote the episode with cliffhanger and death and the crew failing at their plan (wonderful farscape plan ;)

That probably started the farscape tradition of BIG season finales which could always act as a series finale. It is also ironic how the season one follows: they write ending as a series finale, but turns out as season finale ; and season four: they write ending as a season finale, but turns out as a series finale (so far).

I thought this was an interesting fact. Forgive my endless rambling ;)

[jolly42]

Whether they are dead or not is really irrelevant, they could be brought back in a variety of ways. What matters is that the show is dead and a much harder thing to bring back. Personally, I think that the episode sucked only for the last few seconds (ditto-it made the whole story seem like so many purple smithereens), but it was clearly an out for the writers who no doubt had just gotten their walking papers.

[auroraSun]

Originally posted by jolly42
but it was clearly an out for the writers who no doubt had just gotten their walking papers.

I may be misunderstanding you, but the writers wrote the ending not knowing about the cancellation, iand the scene was already shot. In fact Claudia says her last scene was in A Constellation of Doubt. (I do not know about the other actors).

[TokyoScaper]

What's the issue with having a boat? If he could have a TV, he could have a boat. I'm sure that he had a whole wish list as someone mentioned. Hey, I live in Tokyo and when I go back to the States I buy as much stuff as I can carry back! The Uncharted Territories are just a little bit further..

I think that it's been pretty well established that the episode had been written and mostly shot before the producers received the cancellation notice. The biggest issue they faced was whether to leave the "to be continued" notice on or not.

[cheese-lizard]

That was one heck of a cliff hanger. If the series is not to return then I hope for atleast a book to be published that would clear things up!

Whatever happens it is certain they are not dead, and if there Oxo Cube remains were transported back to the Serbacian Colony planet back in 2.11 through 2.13 "Look at the Princess" they could bring them back.

Farscape is too good a series to end like this.
:smokin:

[fandom]

Originally posted by jfranka

Finally, I'm amazed at the irony of the episode title "Bad Timing." This episode was written and filmed before anyone knew of the cancellation. A very fitting title.

In the 4.5 dvds they say that the title was just about the only change to the episode due to the cancellation.

[Pengu]

I think scifi made a huge mistake cancelling the greatest show i've ever seen, but under the circumstances I am not too angry about the end since I knew about the cancellation.
The finally found eachother and died happy.
I'm ok with that, but my dissapointment is beyond words...
How could some executives fail to see what a wonderful and genious scifi series they had and give it the axe.. :(

Well, it was the best show ever. Thanx for 4 great seasons

[CrackersDon'tMatter]

Originally posted by Pengu

How could some executives fail to see what a wonderful and genious scifi series they had and give it the axe.. :(


That's easy. They can axe it because the exectutives don't see the show. They don't watch it. Their view of the show is a ratings report, which is more important than whether or not the show really has any artistic value.

[Chi27]

Originally posted by Adam L Garcia
Far from it, Scorpius and Sikozu were getting down and dirty. Sex with Scorpius, or at least what we see on Farscape is a bit... harsh.

Look back at the "Liars, Guns and Money" Trilogy, where we see Scorpius apparently strangling Natira. After a moment, he climaxes with his cooling unit popping out (clever writing if I ever saw it). If its not sex, then it is indeed some sick kind of foreplay.

So, no, he did not kill Sikozu, they were messing around.

~Adam

EWWW!!! I just recently watched that scene between Scorpy and Natira. There are some alien...ahem...sex acts that should remain "off screen". LOL. Yeah, it's apparent that Scorpius gets off on some real kinky sort of S&M Dominant/submissive acts. I think it's safe to assume after what we saw with Natira that the apparent strangulation of Sikozu was not as it seemed. Though, I'll never understand what female (alien or otherwise) who would let Scorpius asphyxiate them just for some kinky thrill of his.

[Bronathar]

Hi... new to the forum and been reading up on the stuff ya feel in the last episode and all.. and thought I would add my input on things.

First I think it was a very good episode and it was written very well.

Second... Scorpy and Sikouzu (think that's how ya spell it) seem to be sorta playing in the end, nothing more than rough foreplay as someone said before how scorpy likes it

Third... I don't think they wanted to go back to the ship and prolly cause the ship that were gunning for them to go after Moya.

Fourth... As far as the possibilities of getting J & A ressurected.... if you remember back in season 2... They went to a planet where John was to get married to the princess and be made into a statue for 80 cycles. Well in those episodes, they also had it where even if shattered into a million pieces, and everything.... as long as one lil piece hold the DNA of the person, they can be brought back. Why couldn't they just "sweep" them up and bring them over to that planet and beg the Queen to do it.

But like you also had mentioned in this thread... it was a neatralize and investigate further to J & A... so perhaps their weapons also have a reverse effect or a lab has a reverse effect like in "I shrink therefore I am".

There are so many different possibilities that could have been done with Season 5... but the writers knew what they were doing.... that is before Sci-fi had to go and frell things up sticking their noses into a perfectly sound show.

As far as the scorpy thing.... hahaha... should it be S & S.... or should we say that S & S are doing a bit of S & M? :rollin:

[BlackThorn]

Welcome to FMD, Bronathar! :beer:

And wanted to say that I think Scorpy's fondness of s & m type acts seems to fit perfectly with his character. He's sabacean/scarran, and he's made it clear how much he hates his scarran side. He always tries to hold himself with this stature that would fit a sabacean of high rank, and we've only seen him lose his cool and display his scarran side a handful of times. However, with s & m in the bedroom, it gives him a "safe" place to play out that other half of him that he's always trying to suppress.

[Selena]

I just want to know what happened to the final episode last Sunday night. I tuned in to skiffy only to find that it wasn't on. :shrug: How typical!

[MrX]

March 14, 1 AM EST. Though I think it's technically March 15 in the eastern and central timezones.
Anyway, I liked how this episode ended. Without this, the campaign to bring the show back probably wouldn't be nearly as big.

I just realized the other day when reading the ep guide on Farscape.com that the guy that shot them was a Qujagan, probably a native of the planet they were on. So, my guess is that Moya landed without telling the people of the planet and the dude that was sent to "neutralize for further analysis" just needs to bring them back for study and possibly interrogation.

[buckwheet the 16th]

Perhaps Aryen knew this ship from her time as an assasin and was not thretend by it, or John was given more secret knowledge from einstien. einstien did hint to the fact that he would take the knowledge from him at some point.

As for an body else going back in time though a wormhole to save them would be ridiculis. It would take all the mystique out of wormholes. And I doubt that scorpius would go back to save him.

I think that the whole wormhole thing will end up as a non factor by the end, because that would be classic farscape build something up only for it to end up not matering at all. Plus create the opertunity for something fresh to write about for dare I say future series, movies, etc...

[Adam L Garcia]

i just want my farscape back

Adam