Bonnie Hammer must resign

[rikflair]

Dear fellow Farscapers
I don’t know about you but I think we are going about this all wrong.
You see if I went to a bookstore and purchased a book, took it home and found it to be missing the last few chapters, I would take it back and ask for a refund as I would consider it a faulty product.
So you see this is exactly what sci fi are doing.
They have done this before too with the excellent series Space Above and Beyond.
If they have no intention to complete a story or there is a risk they might not complete it then they should not air it at all so as to avoid disappointing millions of people.
If they do air a series then they should be committed to finish it.
Also to rub salt in the wounds they have re-run space above and beyond and are re-running Farscape with then ultimate goal of once again disappointing millions of viewers and they will do it again and again and again.
They could have used the excuse that they did intend to finish Farscape etc etc but now they are rerunning it knowing that it is incomplete also knowing that they will once again disappoint millions of viewers who if they are new to Farscape are not aware that it has been axed before completion, therefore I put it to you that they are knowingly selling an incomplete product and like the book earlier mentioned I want a refund. Now I know that if millions of people demand compensation there is no way Sci fi could pay but I would consider it payment in full if the president Bonnie Hammer and the chairman Michael Jackson was to resign . We should demand their resignation then perhaps there is a possibility that the new president/chairman may be techno Sci fi buffs and restore the channel to its correct status and perhaps there is a chance to complete Farscape. BUT PEOPLE HEAR ME…. Until you get the brick walls Bonnie Hammer and Michael Jackson out of the way you stand NO CHANCE of getting the Farscape story completed.
I know you may consider this as negative action BUT unfortunately this kind of action speaks the loudest, IE if someone said to Bonnie Hammer or Michael Jackson that she/he was upsetting millions of people by axing Farscape then she/he obviously doesn’t care.
However if someone said to Bonnie Hammer or Michael Jackson if you axe Farscape you will ultimately lose your job then I’m sure I wouldn’t be writing this letter now and we would be looking forward to series 5 .. I rest my case
Regards
Rik

[waltersgirl]

i couldn't disagree more.

[LadyCrais]

LOL, WG!! :D

Sorry, I got to go with getting Sci-Fi sold to someone who gives a damn, which with luck will entail sacking Michael Jackson at a minimum and anyone else in his camp. I don't care for Bonnie, but the root problem goes much higher than her. Firing her will accomplish precisely nothing as long as Jackson is driving the boat.

[rikflair]

well damn lets get rid of him to

[waltersgirl]

uhm yeah. i meant about the Bonnie Hammer being fired part. i'd like to see Skiffy sold, but that's something that we have no control over, nor should we try to influence.

[Egg]

The idea about closure and having a finality to a series, would be a refreshing change.
Perhaps the writers/producers could make one or two episodes at the same time as the others, to conclude a series, just in case it wasn't picked up again.(MONEY)
A little bit of advanced warning for them, so we don't, time after time, end up stuck in limbo.
Ask yourself, how many series have you watched /loved that never got a conclusion, left you out on a limb, even though the words
"to be continued"
were broadcast. Or worse a voice saying "back next year"..... (NOT..underbreath)
Over the years I've lost count, I think the first for me was the TV series Wild Wild West, shows my age, and the latest....well you know that ONE!

[LadyCrais]

Originally posted by waltersgirl
uhm yeah. i meant about the Bonnie Hammer being fired part. i'd like to see Skiffy sold, but that's something that we have no control over, nor should we try to influence.

Oooooooookay.... now I'm confused. I thought part of the Viacom courtship was encouraging them in their purchase of Sci-Fi as well as their acquisition of Farscape.

[waltersgirl]

i hope they buy Viacom but that's their decision. if folks want to encourage Viacom that's fine too.

[jon]

It would be nice to look at Television as any other kind of product, and hold it to the same rules and regulations, but unfortunately it's an entirely different market, and in turn doesn't operate/can't operate under the same system of checks and measures, as say a book store :P

[Frellster]

Did you call Space Abort & Begone an "excellent series?"
I just can't get past that.

[LadyCrais]

I liked Space, Above and Beyond too, though it was very very dark drama. I'm referring to the story, not the filming. The difference is it had an ending. Not a happy one, but an ending nevertheless.

[waltersgirl]

me too, LC.

[Darkness Ascending]

sack everyone but bonnie, not her falt, she doesnt cancell the shows.

[Redvelvetdragon]

Just a note on Space Above and Beyond. That was a fox show. Fox was the one that cancelled it. I went through a painful gut wrenching save this show campagne with that one as well. Sci Fi picked up the shows to show as repeats. It would be nice if they put it back on as I need to record them again, my tapes are so so and I missed a couple of episodes.

Redvelvetdragon

[Mordax]

Ah S:AAB... Probably my favority piece of Sci-Fi, right up there with Babylon 5 and of course Farscape.

Am I the only one to find it curious that S:AAB got canned just in time for Morgan and Wong to work on Millenium?? It's been a long held conspriacy theory of mine that Chris Carter somehow conviced Fox execs to cancel S:AAB in order to get the duo to work on Millenium with him... that's probably unfounded, untrue but hey!

As for the poll.... if the execs at scifi are a problem, the show is better off on a better network. Let Sci-Fi have Termors if they really want it.

If it was really a bad decision to can the show (from a business point of view) the board will deal with the individuals that were responsible. All we can do is convince the sponsors and the SciFi execs that it really was a bad decision.

[Pilot's babe]

Originally posted by Darkness Ascending
sack everyone but bonnie, not her falt, she doesnt cancell the shows.

No but Bonnie shoud be held responsible for freely admitting to having no interest in the genre of science fiction, and still accepting the position as head of the Sci Fi network :flee:

[TANIA]

anyway,if bonnie has the main voice in company,she could leave FS in the air

[B Sharp]

I think too much emphasis is being put on Bonnie...couldn't care less about her staying or going.

I also think that this poll or my/our wishing it to happen one way or the other won't impact FS at all.

and that's what I care about: getting FS back.

[rikflair]

here is the reason bonnie hammer should go simply cos of statements like this...................

"They had brilliant and sophisticated writing, but it was so narrow that it basically was an invitation to not tune in if you weren't totally familiar with the show. It was brilliant when you got it, and some of the characterizations were truly amazing, but it took a little too much work." -Bonnie Hammer

although to a point I can see what she is driving at ie. if someone was to come into the series halfway through they might wonder what the hell was going on .. especially in crichtons head ..:) but wasn't that the beauty of farscape and what made it unique.. ( a thinking mans (or womans) science fiction ).
she obviously doesn't understand sci fi and its true purpose and I put it to you like this. IF BONNIE HAMMER was a fan of farscape then she would not have allowed it to be axed becuase she too would want to watch the outcome of the series and would be truly upset when the series was axed and she would be on our side petitioning it to return.

stupid woman she has caused so much misery in the world how can she sleep.

damn i feel so sad :/

[waltersgirl]

stupid woman she has caused so much misery in the world how can she sleep.

to begin with, Bonnie Hammer didn't make the decision to cancel Farscape. second, whether we agree with her or not, she's not a stupid woman or she wouldn't be where she is. and as far as her causing so much misery in the world...however much i love Farscape, it's only a tv show. dramatic statements like that are unfair and out of perspective.

she is by no stretch of the imagination my friend. some of the stuff that comes out of her mouth does truly boggle the mind, but she is not a stupid person.

i hate Skiffy. i hate what they've done to the channel. i hate what they did to Farscape. that anger does nothing for me though. i can hate Skiffy and be unproductive, or i can put aside my hatred and work to save Farscape.

believe that kharma will ensure that what goes around comes around. in the meantime, help us get the rockinest show on television back in production.

[SEETHER]

You know, This topic has bothered me since I first found this site, and even though a lot of the following is obvious, it seems that it again needs to be said...

First, I'll freely admit that entertainment industry politics will never be considered my forte, and that I'm not up to date on a lot of the behind the scenes details, but..

First, love her or hate her, like Waltersgirl said, Bonnie is not stupid, a glance at her paystub and her c.v. should be enough to end that debate.

second, she obviously has to walk a fine line with her public comments - it's not like she can come out for an interview or pr statement and say " you know, I love that show, I think it's a really bad descision to cancel it". Even if she hated the show, she could've been much more uncomplimentary about it publicly as support for their descision. Why so many "bonnie must die" type threads but not one single "the bean counter with the screwed up ROI calculator who told the top dog that Farscape is a money pit must die" thread?

It was ethically questionable of scifi to make such a big deal about picking up a 4th and 5th season then turn around a few months later and opt out of the fifth. I'm annoyed at scifi, I'm annoyed with the way they marketed the show, the way they played with the schedule, I'm annoyed with Vivendi, with DK and pals, with everyone involved except the cast. Many parties talked about how upset they are, but noone managed a comprimise. I am optimistic about a 5th season still though.

I'm overwhelmed by the save farscape campaign - it's developed into an admirable fanatical entity of it's own (in case there's a doubt, that was a compliment), and it's a huge noisemaker. But I think everyone would agree that noone really believes any of the top execs are really losing sleep over the cancellation (at least at this point, and they won't regardless of the noise made unless that noise affects them financially). Really, I find it very hard to picture Bonnie sitting on the floor inside a ring of candles with voodo dolls of DK and Ben saying "Muwhahahahaha, at last Farscape is canceled" At this point, in their eyes, the fate of the show on their network has been addressed, the situation resolved, and the outcome shrugged of as a simple economic descision.

When I first started coming here I read a lot of venting which is understandable, and a lot of strategizing. But the frequent ranting and insults was old the day after it started. Why is it so frequently implied that scifi did this out of either spite or complete boneheadedness? I'm all for whatever it takes to get Farscape back on the air, and I don't care what station/company airs it as long as someone does air a 5th season, but I think the the "whatever" it'll take will be proving, or at least convincing someone of it's financial viability. 5 million people harassing scifi will get you a bunch of rich scifi execs with headaches, not a bunch of poor scifi execs airing new eps or Farscape - it's about showing them they will have their ROI for airing Farscape, it's not about vindictiveness.

I know that that is exaclty the goal of everyone here, but it just gets old coming across at least one new thread a day calling for the blood of a handful of people trying to keep their company out of the red (regardless of how inept they may be at that). It's possible that some of scifi's behavior is dictated by a petty juvenile "oh yeah?!" attitude, but I seriously doubt it - I appreciated the thank you message at the end of Bad Timing and don't believe at all that it was insincere, I absolutely don't think it was meant as a big "F you!" to the fans or campaigners.

I know this has all been addressed in several other threads much more coherently than I have, but i really felt like it needed to be said again.

I mean no disrespect to anyone here, and this wasn't directed at anyone in particular. I'm sorry for putting this rant in your thread rikflair, it isn't meant as an attack on your post, but it's related to the topic.

[rikflair]

WOW I cannot believe you people are falling for the “it costs too much to produce farscape” ploy..
Wake up and smell the roses!!!
You see Bonnie Hammer has already admitted she is not a great lover of science fiction. (so why take the position of president?)
Read through many of the other posts. Collate all of the evidence and then start to see the bigger picture. My god its not rocket science.
For sci fi to say that they are going to air a fifth series of farscape and in fact brag that it will consist of twice as many episodes as before, then in my mind that means that the accountants have done their sums they have made their calculations they have come up with their conclusions and have said that farscape is such a good investment.. So much so in fact that they are prepared to put twice the amount of episodes into the fifth series.
Wow great more farscape coming, isn’t that what we all thought? Then suddenly wham bam!! They pull the plug on it. EH? WHAT? It doesn’t make any sence.
HOW ON EARTH do u people know for SURE that it was finance that stopped farscape do u work in the accounts department?
You are only believing and acting on the press statement that was issued to the public.
I think (bear in mind its what I think as I don’t generally follow what people tell me as I look at it from another prospective. I always look beyond the obvious so please don’t get telling me I’m full of sh*t etc but I’m asking you to consider this possibility)
I think that the decision was made to continue production of farscape because of its excellent record then suddenly … ALL GONE!
WHY? well I’ll bet my bottom dollar that it was down to irreconcilable differences.
Someone somewhere at the top in the sci fi offices knows the truth, somewhere along the way the top brass at sci fi fell out with the Henson company and sci fi had a knee jerk reaction and pulled the plug. THAT would explain a hell of a lot.
AND to get back to the Bonnie Hammer being stupid nope I’m sure she is extremely clever but I’ll bet she is something to do with a knee jerk reaction somewhere along the way. Ok I may be wrong, look at it this way, they pull the plug because of differences do you really think they will admit that? No they won’t so they have to think of something else to put into a press statement ie farscape is not economically viable! Well it was viable but a couple of months later it wasn’t?? What happened did someone hit the wrong key on a calculator when they were doing their sums that 2 months later someone holds their hands up and says WOOOPS? I got the accounts wrong??? NOPE I DON’T THINK SO! Wake up people.
rik

The truth that survives is simply the lie that is pleasantest to believe.
H. L. Mencken 1880-1956

[aughra]

It may please some of you to know that, in the rarified strata of VPs of companies, when a new president comes in, it is expected that all existing VPs will tender their resignation. Yup, when the buyouts go thru, Bonnie will offer to quit so the new managers will be free to replace her with their own management team.

Of course, they may prefer to keep her in her position. Or even give her a promotion. Or the new team may even be "worse." See, it doesn't pay to pin all your anger on one person--or on any person. There's always someone else waiting to get on your last nerve. ;)

Anyway, just a bit of professional ettiquette: good thing to know, just in case any of you should happen to make VP somewhere.

Thanks for the rantfree comments and professional behavior, SEETHER.

[Pilot's babe]

Originally posted by rikflair
HOW ON EARTH do u people know for SURE that it was finance that stopped farscape do u work in the accounts department?

I believe the money promised was simply invested elsewhere. Steven Speilbergs mini series Taken had a lot of money invested in it, Not to mention Sci Fi managed to negotiate a new series of Stargate at the last minute. Originally that series was cancelled as the star wished to leave but they convinced him to stay and got another series becauss Stargate pulls in more ratings than Farscape.

[waltersgirl]

and in fact brag that it will consist of twice as many episodes as before,

they never bragged about "it" consisting of twice as many episodes as before. a season is 22 episodes. 2 seasons is 44 episodes. that's where the "twice as many" comments could come from.

You are only believing and acting on the press statement that was issued to the public.

no, actually, we're not. we are privy to a great deal of information that we are not at liberty to share, and, i can guarantee for a fact that there exists infinitely more information that we will never know.

all of which is useless really.

SciFi cancelled Farscape. that hasn't changed. they wanted more rerun rights and wanted to pay less for them. they manipulated events to the outcome they desired. so what.

the outcome is still the same. Farscape was cancelled. arguing about who cancelled it does nothing productive.

this site is about working to get a fifth season of Farscape into production. would you like to help? there's lots to do and we can use every fan out there.

[LadyCrais]

...is not stupid, a glance at her paystub and her c.v. should be enough to end that debate.

Completely independent of whether this has any relevance to Bonnie, the whole concept of believing that paystubs and c.v.'s have any relationship whatsover to either intelligence or competence is extraordinarily naive. Most corporate promotions are based on who plays the game of corporate politics the best with competence and/or intelligence usually being totally independent and frequently absent at the higher eschelons (sp?). As are ethics, I should add, given the number of people that have to be walked all over and frequently libeled on the climb to the top. You can then throw in the Peter Principle (I think, it's Peter) where everyone rises to a minimum of one promotion above their level of competence.

In my 25 years of working life, I have only rarely seen the principle violated in a business context, with those of greatest intellect, ability and ethics rising to the top of the food chain to a position equivilent with their talent. It's just not how business runs. It runs on office politics, period, except for very rare exceptions.

[SEETHER]

Good point and well taken LadyCrais :)

My Resume/pay stub comment was over generalized, but I was making a point - It was said to address the handful of "she's so stupid / is such an idiot" blanket statements. Of course corporate politics is a large factor, but admittedly it does take a *fairly* (not necessarilly extremely) bright person to reach the higher rungs on most corporate ladders regardless of whether or not they get there through social manipulation, their relevant professional merits, or usually both. I agree completely that more often than not the most desrving are left in the trenches for the dirty work while the less competent are elevated where the higher ups can manipulate factors totheir own liking more eaily, but regardless of how well someone plays the game, keeping the gurus down and making completely clueless puppest VPs/presidents is more the exception than the rule. I wasn't calling her a genious, just pointing out that she must've done quite a few things right for her employers to be where she is, and therefore, not a moron just because her official position on some matters is in conflict with what some (in this case us) want.

In short, I could've phrased it differently because we all already know that a salary is not a good guage of intellect, but take it the way I meant it - I don't agree with where things stand right now either, but calling her an idiot won't help, nor will saying she has no business being where she is just because we don't agree.. Besides, if she made an announcement tomorrow that there was a 180 degree spin and Farscape season 5 with begin filming next Friday (thank god it's Friday, again - sorry, couldnt help it, it's late, I'm too tired) the same people calling her a moron would be heralding her as the brightest person in the industry.

edit: sorry for another long post guys I'll work on being more concise

[waltersgirl]

dude. so not a long post. :aok:

[LadyCrais]

Seether, don't worry about concise. WG takes care of that for us. ;)

What irks me on the Bonnie discussions is when people use the "she has no control and is just a mouthpiece" defense. That one is as insulting to her as it is to us. I equally object to SciFi using her as the blond bombshell by posing her provacatively to illustrate interviews with her. Either she is a professional, an executive, and president of a network with all of the authority and decision making capacity that goes with the title, and therefore the buck stops at her door. OR she's the ditzy blond poster child mouthpiece whose being paid for her modeling skills while higher ups manipulate her as their puppet.

I choose to believe she's the executive and has agreed with this decision and is not some defenseless female that parent company executives are speaking through. And I, personally, resent her not having the guts to fight for this show if she actually believes in it. And from what we've seen of the current and future line-up on Sci-Fi and her blathering excitement about it, I have to conclude that she is perfectly happy with running the no-brains-required NOT-science-fiction channel. Because if she truly believed in either science fiction or quality, she wouldn't be able to sleep with herself at night in her current position. Yes, it would appear she's succeeding in her quest for the almighty dollar for herself and her network. They should just admit that's their only real goal, change the name of the network to represent that, and let another network take over the science fiction niche.

[gargoylejps]

Farscape undoubtedly was an expensive show, but I doubt it lost money. Furthermore, I will be very interested to see if Stargate's audience is truly Stargate fans, or has a strong contingent of devoted Farscape fans. Time will tell.

On the direct question, if you look at Sci-fi's recent actions, it seems pretty clear to me that Bonnie is using strategy very similar to what she probably learned at the WWF. They are trying to reach a very broad audience by focussing on lowest common denominator attractions, specifically a lot of gratuitous sex and violence, with a few token sci-fi/fantasy elements to keep it genre appropriate. Farscape does not fit with this strategy. While it had plenty of sex and violence, it seldom used them gratuitously and in general required a least a few braincells to watch enjoyably. Personally, I think they are by and large moving from the Sci-fi channel to the B-rate Sci-fi channel with, possibly, a few decent mini-series thrown in now and then for those who like deeper sci-fi.

JMHO

Gargoyle

[MediaSavant]

I want a new poll...

How many people really have a say in the matter of who is the president of SciFi or who is not?

1. Yes, I am a senior executive at Vivendi Universal and I can control Ms. Hammer's career.
2. No, I don't even remotely have any control over it.

But, what's the point of the poll. I know the results...

1. 0%
2. 100%

[RescueFarscape]

Originally posted by MediaSavant
I want a new poll...

How many people really have a say in the matter of who is the president of SciFi or who is not?

1. Yes, I am a senior executive at Vivendi Universal and I can control Ms. Hammer's career.
2. No, I don't even remotely have any control over it.

But, what's the point of the poll. I know the results...

1. 0%
2. 100%

:rollin:

I'm sorry. That was too funny!

I've refrained from posting because it's all been said before, and by better people than I, but I feel a bit sorry for Ms. Hammer. She gets flamed quite a bit here.

It's more than a bit pointless to hate her for Farscape's cancellation. As has been said MANY times before, there are countless factors in FS cancellation; to dump all the blame on Ms. Hammer is oversimplifying things.

Don't get me wrong, there's NO love lost for Skiffy at my house, I just dislike some of the statements that have been made regarding dear ol' Bonnie.
:ewink:

[tulipknife]

Hell Yes.
If finishing a perfectly watchable popular sci fi series without actually finishing, it isn't a sacking offence, I don't know what is.
You don't buy a new car without any wheels, do you?
:space:

[TKScaper]

Well, I might as well put in my opinion. I read Bonnie's bio in one of the threads.(no clue where) No she's not stupid, she doesn't like scifi, and she was instramental in other reality shows on other networks. It seems to me she was trying to and has achieved the "mainstreaming" of the scifi channel. Whether it was her idea, or Micheal Jackson's, or the bean counters, or people much higher up we have lost not only our beloved Farscape, but we have also lost the programming that scifi is all about. It is now almost impossible to find quality scifi. Somewhere the definition of scifi has escaped the execs. there. I blame some of this on other networks offering watered down "pop" versions of scifi for the teenybopper crowd. These were popular but had no substance and sometimes bordered on campy horror. I believe when they lost site of who true scifi fans are, then proceeded to "profile" us as "30yr. old virgins"(you know the rest) not female, and they must think we also have no jobs. Someone didn't do their demographics homework before changing programming. WE NOW HAVE A VOICE AND IT IS BEING HEARD BECAUSE OF THIS GRASS ROOTS MOVEMENT. People are noticing. Let's keep up the good work. Maybe we can get our show and a real scifi channel back.

[tulipknife]

Yes it would be a case of shooting the messenger if Bonnie Hammer wasn't in fact the head of programming for Sci fi. Another point to cast your thoughts over is the fact that yes you are correct that adverts do generally pay for the programmes but what about all retail sales of dvd/videos that WE buy. The studios make it, sell the rights to someone and then to us so therfore we are infact paying for the programmes. Buying a car scenario maybe wasn't the best case to base this on but I think RIKFLAIR original case of buying a book with chapters missing from the end is a better scenario.

"It's not what you know...... it's what you hope for!"
- John, A Constellation of Doubt

[uisceboo]

Did you read DK's comments in the recent SFX article? This whole catastrophe was the result of a pissing contest with new suits at USA, and Bonnie was not part of the new regime. She may have said some stupid things in the past year, but I doubt seriously she had much to do with the cancellation.

You want to help get rid of these people? A more constructive way would be to encourage Viacome to buy out SciFi and start their own station. Viacom already wants to, and Barry Diller also has already said that if Viacom started their own channel, SciFi could and would not compete.

Look for any of the discussions about "courting Viacom," or check out the new WD section board called The Alliance.

Build, don't destroy.

[waltersgirl]

Build, don't destroy

no truer words spoken.

[Davesnothome]

If the Scifi channel is in such bad shape and Viacom is so certain of success if they try, why doesn't Viacom simply create their own Science Fiction television channel? They own Paramount Studios. They own the entire Star Trek franchise. Why bother with the damaged goods of the Scifi channel. Move along folks, nothing to watch here!

A couple of other things I wonder about. How does one know the suits at Viacom, didn't go to the same school of broadcasting as the suits at Universal? Viacom owns the Star Trek franchise and no ones jumping for joy over the last ST movie or the Enterprise television series.

I suspect this won't be as easy as some think. A white-hatted hero, Viacom, to the rescue, is no certainty.

Dave

[Digger]

Vicaom has publicly stated that they'd be interested in starting their own SciFi network Dave. I think they'd rather buy SciFi becuase it already has the "infrastructure", meaning it's already available in about 80 million homes. And while you're right in that Viacom buying skiffy doesn't guarantee anything, at least we know they seem to LIKE science fiction fromt he amount of it they produce.

[RojAvon]

As much bashing as she takes here...and for o so many reasons rightfully so....

A look at the poll shows that most people don't hold her personally responsible for the demise....er...coma that Farscape is in.

This is obviously a programming philosophy that pervaids the top levels of Sci Fi and it's parent companies.

I think as SciFi fans and Farscape fans we can't imagine working for a channel like SciFi and not loving the entire category of all things Science Fiction. We don't understand the concept of having a network supposedly devoted to one type of programming that abandons the most aclaimed show they have in favor of a few shows that SciFi apparently hopes will be a quick fix to reaching their ratings goals.

I can't imagine working at SciFi as a sci-fi fan...everyday would have to just be a kick up the arse.

I guess that's why the head honcho's don't like Sci Fi...if they brought in someone who cared about the content they wouldn't make the cold "business" decisions.

SciFi, in it's current form, will continue to be a very unsteady venue for sci-fi. The channel has never been in a mode of trying to get better and better....they seem determined to keep just enough quality to keep on the air and then fill the rest of the time with any crap they can afford.

[RescueFarscape]

Originally posted by uisceboo
She may have said some stupid things in the past year, but I doubt seriously she had much to do with the cancellation.


The current conspiracy theory at my house re BH comments is that she is purposely ruffling the feathers of FS fans; you see, dear Bonnie IS a Farscape fan, but her current position does not allow her to openly support the campaign to save Farscape.

So she makes her comments, albeit 'stupid' ones bound to get mountains of mail and hundreds of pretty bras sent in by Scapers...

You have to admit, she has been the cause of quite a bit of inspiration around here:ewink:

*geeky teenage boys who don't have a life! Grrr...*

[GeekedOut]

That's one thing we can agree on there, BS, the networks are depressing to watch. I can count on my fingers the number of quality shows on the major networks.

[JrMissToughChick]

?

[Mike@Pilots Chamber]

Bonnie was actually a keen advocate for Farscape, but what many people don't seem to understand is THIS IS BUSINESS. Bonnie has people HIGHER UP than her that she has to answer to. She does not make all the decisions we think she does, in this case she may well have disagreed with the cancellation of Farscape, but have to go along with it to keep her job.

Let the Bonnie bashing cease now.

[vhsiv]

I heard a rumor that she was actually on vacation somewhere when the cancellation went through.

But this is an old, old thread - I thought we had put all this Bonnie bashing - for the most part - behind us. (note that rikflair's original post dates back to March 30th of this year - not too long after the UK screening of 'Bad Timing', and the poll is one of four (4) that he has made in his FMD career.

[M.I.Blue]

I'm trying to understand this poll--what difference does it make whether we think she should resign? To us, or to her? You'd think there was some kind of entertainment industry scandal over the cancellation of Farscape. SciFi Channel is on a sound business footing, by all reports--it's on a lousy creative footing, and frankly, it was on a lousy creative footing before Farscape was canceled, and would have remained on a lousy creative footing if Farscape had run for another four years. But crap sells, as anybody who watches the major networks can tell you--should the entire executive infrastructure of the television biz resign? Well, okay, good point, but this is reality we're talking about. :)

SciFi is a very small fish in the sea, but it's making more money now than it was back when Farscape was on, and Bonnie Hammer isn't going anywhere. She's not going to be fired, nobody in the biz thinks she should be fired, and the only way she's going to resign is if she gets a better job offer somewhere else. I'm not saying this to be snarky, it's just a cold statement of fact.

I haven't watched a first-run program on SciFi in ages, and apparently they're fine with that. Me too. :-|

[AnnieBW]

Originally posted by Mordax
Am I the only one to find it curious that S:AAB got canned just in time for Morgan and Wong to work on Millenium?? It's been a long held conspriacy theory of mine that Chris Carter somehow conviced Fox execs to cancel S:AAB in order to get the duo to work on Millenium with him... that's probably unfounded, untrue but hey!


No. From what I remember from my days on the Millennium list, CC was very supportive of M&W going off and doing their own show. The problems were with the network wanting "Melrose Space" instead of a dark, gritty drama. M&W were brought into Millenium after S:AAB were cancelled because CC wanted to develop "Harsh Realm", as well as keep up with XF. Unfortunately, M&W took the series in a different direction, and the network people didn't like that. So, they fired M&W, and CC brought in his friend Michael Duggan (from "Earth 2"). The problem was also compounded by Meghan Gallagher wanting out. There was a huge amount of resentment towards Duggan during the third season, which is part of the reason why it was a total mess.

- Annie

[fiona-maria]

Bonnie Hammer was not responsible for cancelling FarScape. She is responsible for being the one who had to break the news. We cannot poop on her for doing what she was told to do. I have no animus against Bonnie Hammer, and I think blaming her for the cancellation is a bum rap.

Who IS responsible for that decision? Lady Crais is exactly right when she says: "the root problem goes much higher than her. Firing her will accomplish precisely nothing as long as Jackson is driving the boat."


As long as we have an individual who DOESN'T LIKE SCI-FI AS A GENRE making programming decisions, we will have the frelling dren we have been subjected to this last year (Scare Tactics, anyone?).*argh*

Leave Bonnie Hammer alone. She didn't do it. And it is counter-productive to keep insisting she did.

Fiona

[Browncoat Serenity]

No but Bonnie shoud be held responsible for freely admitting to having no interest in the genre of science fiction, and still accepting the position as head of the Sci Fi network :flee:

Wrestling is good