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02-05-2006, 03:33 PM
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A Memo to all users in this forum - Please Read
It would seem that for some members of the board, we haven't been clear enough in the policy of NO POLITICAL DISCUSSIONS OF ANY SORT on the board. Many of the long time members here saw the evolution of how that rule came to be.
I feel the need, after many posts that we've had to moderate in the last few weeks, to remind everybody of this and to further explain, because some people just don't get it, that discussing current politics (of any country) here in the scope of an analogy through a TV Series isn't welcome either - because it opens the door to the political discussion. It's not that we don't want you to discuss your favorite shows - like SG1 or BSG. it's that we don't want the inevitable political discussion of the current world. So, don't discuss politics of the Real World here on the board. Don't analogize them to anything in the real world. Please maintain your discussion of the show to the show. If you can't do that, then please have that particular discussion in a different place. there are many other places we can refer you to. Thank you for your understanding.
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02-05-2006, 04:24 PM
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Thankyou for clarifying this Jul.
Sadly this means that intelligent intellectual conversation concerning some of the inevitable comparisons to the RW that good scifi engenders can not be discussed here. That is too bad - but it is within your mandate to make this the rule. It will be respected. You must realize that this policy is keeping many reasonable discussions off this forum. Sadly this means some longterm posters will not be here much longer. Wishing you all the best for the future here at FMD. |
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02-05-2006, 04:49 PM
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If there had *been* reasonable discussions along political lines, we wouldn't have had to reach the final decision that political conversations not be allowed here.
That particular addendum to the Terms of Service was made over a year ago. It's nothing new... and yet people have continued to post. And when discussions have turned political, people have been reminded of the Terms of Service. Some people have chosen to ignore the reminder and to continue to post in whatever manner they see fit, about whatever topics they choose. It is a shame that past practice has shown that certain topics must be disallowed precisely because they do NOT engender good discussion - but that's what happened. And people can choose to respect the Terms of Service as they currently stand, or yes, choose to post elsewhere - there are many diverse places for Scapers in fandom.
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02-05-2006, 07:18 PM
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ditto what stars said... if discussions had managed to stay reasonable, we never would have needed to enact those rules, but the rules came up because the board was getting toxic in reaction to those discussions... we had scapers getting downright nasty with each other, we had scapers following other scapers from forum to forum continuing to try to pick fights and arguments and much more.. There are a lot of other places that those types of discussions can take place, as there are many communities where other shows are discussed.. For scaper specific communities, here are a few referrals: Farscape World: http://www.farscapeworld.com/forum/ TerraFirmaScapers: http://terrafirmascapers.com/ Farscape Canada: http://www.savefarscapecanada.com/forum.shtml SCIFI Straight Dope: http://s11.invisionfree.com/Scifi_St...Dope/index.php And of course, there are the show specific websites: Gateworld: http://forum.gateworld.net/ SCIFI Official Bulletin Boards: http://mboard.scifi.com/ And, as we've mentioned in the past, there's always the option of opening a forum on your own to enacting your own rules, so you can discuss exactly in the manner you'd like to. As for longterm scapers leaving us, we hope that doesn't happen, and we do miss many of the scapers that have left us, but I also understand when people feel they want to leave.
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02-05-2006, 07:46 PM
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I can't imagine that the restriction of a certain topic would cause any rational users to abandon ship like that. Of course, that doesn't include those who've congregated with a political agenda in mind. Rather, any such exodus would more likely be due to a craving for logical rulings. However, even that seems a bit extreme, in my opinion.
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02-05-2006, 07:58 PM
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It seems to me that people that post such threads are either:
a) unaware of the rule (though with the NO POLITICS thread being sticky in the OT forum for ummm, well over a year now, I don't understand how someone couldn't know, but... whatev.) or b) trying to see how much they can get away with before they get in trouble (i've dealt with those kinds of people a million times on my forum, it's not as rare as it might seem), and if that's the prime objective than it isn't about reasonable, intellectual discussions at all. Regardless, we're seen how reasonable dicussions started with the best of intentions have been, in two words: not very. Why people would leave a year and 3 months after a rule was created is beyond me... Rock on, staff!
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02-05-2006, 08:52 PM
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That's probably pretty accurate. In addition, we can't pin all of this on those who are honestly interested in politics, because nobody who truly cares about those political issues would use them as a guise to create trouble. Doing so completely disrespects the material. Quote:
Given that I don't know the parties involved, it would be unfair to say that it appears to be a ploy for attention. However, such bombastic exits usually are.
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02-06-2006, 05:28 PM
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I remember those times. I understand why the rule was necessary, also at the time there were repeated warnings yet no one listened. At certain times unless a person makes a hard and fast rule no one will respect them. Until then, people/posters will push it farther and farther (I have seen it in this board and other boards).
I am sure not making a rule about politics would have been the most popular way to go, but this board isn't a popularity contest. It's a private board. If you don't like the rule rather then have feelings of dislike for the staff, blame the people who pushed things way too far and refused to listen to reason. (Sorry I got a little emotional there, it's just I have seen how some people take advantage of relaxed rules. They are worse then a bull in a China shop.) This post brought to you by a poster who loves to discuss politics.
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02-06-2006, 05:42 PM
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yes, they would. and they did. repeatedly. sometimes to cause trouble for the mods, having to clean up the fights that would break out, and sometimes specifically to insult whomever was occupying the other side of the aisle. happened all the time.
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02-06-2006, 05:49 PM
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yeah, those weren't such happy days, and the divisiveness wasn't what we needed when the *original purpose* of this board was to campaign for farscape. it's a cycle... things are relatively quiet for awhile, and then it seems one remark pops up, and then another in a different thread, and then somewhere else... so if it seems like someone's being targeted out of the blue, you can probably bet they've been talked to before, either in thread or privately. and in all honesty, some people equate "this is a reminder that you can't talk about this here" as some sort of personal attack, and get all pissy in return. seriously, folks, we're all grownups here - if you can't follow the ToS or for whatever reason don't like the staff, as BG said up there ^, do yourself and us a favor and play elsewhere. political discussion is welcomed at some other boards... heck, most of us talk politics in our personal journals elsewhere. and FWIW, not that it matters, those who like to assume that everyone "running" this board are all of the same train of thought/POV/political viewpoint couldn't be more wrong. 
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02-06-2006, 08:31 PM
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wait, we're not all fascists? damn it.
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__________________ you can't stop the signal. "I'm not sure that's ethical. It's not. It's vodka." "And then you let people beat you up over it, because for the nine people who beat you up over it, somebody goes, 'Dude, I've never seen that anywhere. That was cool.' And you take it for the one guy, the one guy who actually understands why you did it." -Ben Browder Dani Moure, slightly more important than steak...in bed. |
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02-06-2006, 08:41 PM
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whoops. forgot the part about where we're fascists.
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02-06-2006, 08:58 PM
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::rides by on moped:: Ciao!
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02-06-2006, 09:03 PM
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i say, do you have a flag???
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__________________ you can't stop the signal. "I'm not sure that's ethical. It's not. It's vodka." "And then you let people beat you up over it, because for the nine people who beat you up over it, somebody goes, 'Dude, I've never seen that anywhere. That was cool.' And you take it for the one guy, the one guy who actually understands why you did it." -Ben Browder Dani Moure, slightly more important than steak...in bed. |
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02-06-2006, 09:12 PM
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70% of how you look, 20% of how you sound, only 10% is what you say
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I fought in a war and I left my friends behind me To go looking for the enemy, and it wasn’t very long Before I would stand with another boy in front of me And a corpse that just fell into me, with the bullets flying round And I reminded myself of the words you said when we were getting on And I bet you’re making shells back home for a steady boy to wear Round his neck, well it won’t hurt to think of you as if you’re waiting for This letter to arrive because I’ll be here quite a while |
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